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Chinese Police Get Power To Inspect ISPs (scmp.com)

China has issued a new regulation setting out wide-ranging police powers to inspect internet service providers and users, as the government tightens its grip on the country's heavily restricted cyberspace. Local media reports: Under the new rule, effective from November 1, central and local public security authorities can enter the premises of all companies and entities that provide internet services and look up and copy information considered relevant to cybersecurity. The regulation was issued by the Ministry of Public Security last month and released on its website on Sunday. It comes more than a year after a controversial cybersecurity law was introduced that has caused widespread concern among foreign companies operating in China. Despite its broad scope, the legislation gives few details about implementation, making it all the more difficult for companies trying to avoid its repercussions. Analysts said the new regulation sheds some light on how the law will be implemented. "That's obviously how Chinese laws go. First there is a big concept, then there is a sweeping law, and then implementing regulations will come in to flesh out the details," said William Nee, a China expert with Amnesty International.

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  1. The only surprise by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only surprise here is that they didn't already have the ability.

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    1. Re:The only surprise by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      and apple will just roll over to do any to be complacent with the law but helping the FBI is not in the cards for them!

    2. Re:The only surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese police should have pulled a creimer and blame USA for their problems.

    3. Re:The only surprise by MooseTick · · Score: 1

      That's what I was thinking. They can give themselves any power they want at any time. Honestly, any government can.

      It stated that "authorities can enter the premises of all companies and entities that provide internet services and look up and copy information considered relevant to cybersecurity". The U.S. government does this all the time with the mildly inconvenient requirement of a subpoena.

    4. Re:The only surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people of china have now power or freedom. They are subjects to the communist party. This was only a theatrical move.

    5. Re:The only surprise by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Apple owns ISPs in China?

    6. Re:The only surprise by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Two different markets; two different strategies. (Explains Google's China strategy, too.)

      In the United States CONSUMERS want secure phones. Fuck what the gubmint wants.

      Apple makes money off secure shit.

      In China, the consumer is secondary to the gubmint. Apple plays by the rules and makes money.

      It's all about making money.

      If a market wants phones with cow shit on them, Apple has the XS and stuff ready to go.

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  2. King Xi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    King Trump

      King Kong

      which does not belong?

    1. Re: King Xi by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      That's easy: Anonymous Coward. Like, duh.

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  3. DHS shoulld have the same authority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DHS will get the same power but probably too late.
    This is the best way to stop terrorists.

  4. Net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how did you think net neutrality was going to be enforced and verified?

  5. What a funny anti-China piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    considering the U.S. government has had this for a decade already, if not more, and can literally tap into any ISP, if you recall some of the NSA revelations in the last few years. But ofc when China can do it now, they go wild with their "police state" accusations.

    1. Re:What a funny anti-China piece by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But ofc when China can do it now, they go wild with their "police state" accusations.

      You know, I think the fact that they have been suppressing dissent and then hunting down dissidents to jail them might have something to do with that whole police state thing. Then again, maybe it's the re-education prisons that they are putting Muslims into. No wait, maybe it's the massive video surveillance network they are building out. Wait, no, I'm sure it's the social ranking system they are using keep "undesirables" from traveling or buying things.

      I'm sorry, it's just so hard to keep track of why people think China is a police state.

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    2. Re:What a funny anti-China piece by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Did I miss in the summary where it compared China to the US? Or do you feel like as long as a country does something the US did, it should not be reported?

    3. Re:What a funny anti-China piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China uses their eavesdropping powers to make people who disagree with their one party government's views disappear to be "re-educated". This isn't bunk or hearsay, the CCP themselves admit to doing it.

      The only thing the USA uses their eavesdropping powers for is to figure out how likely it is that someone is a deadbeat and is gonna default on their credit card payments.

    4. Re:What a funny anti-China piece by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Well, "literally" sure doesn't mean what it used to.

      By the way, NSA can't do shit to ISPs. They're not even allowed to admit they exist to an ISP, much less demand something.

      In the US, cops can't even come into the ISP's building without a search warrant.

      I'd say clue up, but that won't happen. I'll just stick to, "nope yer rong!"

    5. Re:What a funny anti-China piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm... the USA is a Police State.
      You all are just too stupid with cheap beer and football on TV to realize it.
      They call it "programming" for a reason... they're programming YOU.

    6. Re:What a funny anti-China piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a good consumer. You don't ask too many questions, and you agree with the narrative. Now go back to the computer and resume your online shopping.

    7. Re:What a funny anti-China piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is because nobody in the US is willing to admit that they are subjects to the state even though every policy delivered by modern government has made us all subjects of the state...Serious stockholm syndrome and a lot of it, just plain stupidity.

  6. Coming to a country near you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coming to a country near you sooner than you thougt.

  7. Police Power by PPH · · Score: 1

    I wish people would stop using this term. It's giving our policing organizations raging erections.

    In all but some societies under martial law, such powers are reserved for the courts.

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  8. Still want to do business in China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "central and local public security authorities can enter the premises of all companies and entities that provide internet services and look up and copy information considered relevant to cybersecurity"

    This also means any/all internet software/tech can be copied/stolen, not to mention all customer info!

    And Western internet/software companies still want to do business in China?

    1. Re:Still want to do business in China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey fity-cent, get back to me when the US starts using that power to locate, re-educate and or harvest organs from political and religious "dissidents".

  9. How about power to inspect registrars? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    I know this is about government abuses and the like here, but I would support more power of law enforcement to go after registrars (with a warrant, of course - not just on a whim). The companies that make the most money off of spamvertising - if you discount the spammers and the spambot armies themselves - are the domain name registrars. They are one of - if not the - most critical component in the chain of actually making money off of spam. Without a registrar, a spammer can't obfuscate the address of the spamvertised domain, and can't move it around when an ISP cracks down on their server. The registrars themselves have been playing hide-and-seek with domain owner information for years now, making it increasingly more difficult to figure out who owns the domains that are sending spam and directing spam business to. The registrars are happily spread all over the world (including plenty in foreign countries that don't give a shit about complaints from Americans) which means you need Interpol to get anything done (good luck with that!).

    If we could get some ability to go after the registrars - and don't let them pretend they don't know what's going on or that they somehow aren't making bank in the process - we could have a useful tool towards slowing down spam. Instead, ICANN and the like have moved us in exactly the opposite direction.

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    1. Re:How about power to inspect registrars? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      How about not?

      Seems to me that that sort of thing very quickly becomes the first step on a very slippery slope....

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  10. Re: We need that here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Word salad. The wild nonsense of a Trumpette.

  11. How primitive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all traffic already being mirrored to several TLAs, *you aren't thinking dystopian enough, Marty!*

    Also, only n00bs *force* their subjects to obey their rule.
    True masters subtily make them *want* to obey and give up their freedoms.
    No offense, but wonder if most North Koreans or Chinese defend their own abusers as vehemetly against their savior, as the average US-American seems to do... (Honest question. The NKs may...)

  12. Re: We need that here. by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    It's someone making fun of Trump supporters. "power to inspect there algoritms"? Yeah, this is something that comes up in normal folk speak.

  13. They *are* a totalitarian police state. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just that the USA (and many others) are too.

    I bash the US rulers every time they do this shit.
    So I can as well bash Chinese or Russian or UK or German rulers.

    I'd be more surprised if there *wasn't* a state on this planet that's a totaliatarian fascist piece of shit. I:s like in the last 10 years, they all got together, put their differences aside, and decided to become comic book villain batshit crazy evil.
    You know shit gets real, if the USA, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and North Korea decide to agree on the same policies.

  14. Screw that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are going to have to fight these nazis one day

  15. Re: We need that here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of people i talk to agree. Hopefully when democrat party is defeated next month we will be able to crack down on there biased companies and media outlets like nyt, washington post and cnn.

  16. Who the fuck cares? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    Why are we even talking about this?

    China is a sovereign country and it can do whatever it wants to do.

    That's true of the Google story, as well.

    It doesn't matter what China wants to do as long as capitalists can find a way to monetize it.

    Hell, give out personal data as a promotional item.

    Bribe the uppers.

    Whatever it takes to make a buck.

    Americans can't even protect its students, for crying out loud.

    Physician, heal thyself.

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    1. Re:Who the fuck cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should format these before pasting them into /.

    2. Re:Who the fuck cares? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      FAT32 or NTFS?

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  17. So China is a shithole ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... country and America has a sexual predator as a leader.

    Who's throwing stones?

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    1. Re:So China is a shithole ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, having a leader that grabs people inappropriately is just one step away from organ harvesting from political / religious dissidents.

    2. Re: So China is a shithole ... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Correction: having a leader who is bombastic and when he was a reality TV star boasted to a crony that he was such a celebrity that he was surrounded by the sort of women that he can grab by the pussy.

      It's badly distorted by people who hate him the most.

    3. Re: So China is a shithole ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      FTFY

      ... having a leader who is bombastic and when he was a reality TV star boasted to a crony that he was such a celebrity that he could blame the victim ...

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    4. Re:So China is a shithole ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... previous presidents have done worse things than you idiots rant on about.

      Such as...?

      ***crickets***

      Thought so.

    5. Re:So China is a shithole ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      And that's your position?

      Lame.

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    6. Re:So China is a shithole ... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      But wuddabout the Masons?
      Wuddabout the Illuminati?!

    7. Re: So China is a shithole ... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 0

      People would need to think of themselves as a victim to be a victim.

      Yes, it can be lucrative to think of yourself as a victim in hindsight.

  18. Australia has already legislated for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Australia is well ahead of China in this area.

  19. Pay close attention to this, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what your law enforcement and your government would like to see happen in your country: All things accessible to government and police at all times, and no one has the right to say 'no', and resisting means your life is destroyed. When you vote for people to run your country like you did in 2016, you're voting for this sort of authoritarian totalitarianism.

  20. Re:We need that here. by Sir+Lurkalot · · Score: 1

    With states like california and new york and there liberal biased companies like google and amazong hurting regular ever day americans who happen to have conservative views we need to have a way to fight them back. Many people I talk to say it would be great to get law enforcement the power to inspect there algoritms for bias and to fine them if they are censoring conservative speach.

    Troll botspeak if there ever was. Back in the USSR, troll,,,

  21. Big US tech brands by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Are ready to help and support all decryption requests.
    Welcome to investing in Communism.

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    1. Re:Big US tech brands by houghi · · Score: 2

      Yeah, because in the US the police has no access to the information. /s

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