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London's Radio Pirates Changed Music. Then Came the Internet. (nytimes.com)

Earlier this month, The New York Times ran a story which looks at the ways a network of illegal radio stations changed British music, and wonders where young people are going to make culture now, now that the internet is killing off the pirate radio. An excerpt from the story: Ofcom, the British communications regulator, estimated there are now just 50 pirate stations in London, down from about 100 a decade ago, and hundreds in the 1990s, when stations were constantly starting up and shutting down. Ofcom considers this good news, because illegal broadcasters could interfere with radio frequencies used by emergency services and air traffic control, a spokesman said.

But pirate radio stations also offered public services, of a different sort: They gave immigrant communities programming in their native languages, ran charity drives and created the first radio specifically for black Britons. Pirate radio was also the site of some of Britain's most important musical innovations, introducing pop to the airwaves in the 1960s and incubating the major underground British music trends of recent decades, up to and including dubstep and grime: Dizzee Rascal, Wiley and Skepta all launched their careers on the pirates.

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  1. seriously? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and wonders where young people are going to make culture now, now that the internet is killing off the pirate radio.

    It has never been easier to promulgate "culture" (e.g. audio) that you make.

    It has to be a $%^&load easier for more people to make music with today's tech and put it out on the internet than it was to do it with older tech and try to get it onto "pirate radio".

    1. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fair point. But here's the perspective from the article: "Pirate radio was the last safe space you have as an artist to make mistakes" according to Jama Little, 27, a grime M.C. from Hackney who performs as Jammz. "With online," he said, "if you get it wrong, it's forever."

    2. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair point. But here's the perspective from the article: "Pirate radio was the last safe space you have as an artist to make mistakes" according to Jama Little, 27, a grime M.C. from Hackney who performs as Jammz. "With online," he said, "if you get it wrong, it's forever."

      His point is not valid. It's been possible to live-stream audio for literally decades. Doing so doesn't require the recording to be left online permanently.

    3. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "With online," he said, "if you get it wrong, it's forever."

      Dude, there are reasons we post as AC. That is one of them.

    4. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet should have pulled a creimer and blame London's Radio Pirates for its problems.

    5. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "With online," he said, "if you get it wrong, it's forever."

      Dude, there are reasons we post as AC. That is one of them.

      Dude, I did post it AC.

    6. Re: seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you didn't. I did.

    7. Re: seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you didn't. I did.

      Calm down Spartacus

    8. Re: seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He can't calm down Spartacus. Spartacus is dead.

    9. Re: seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, my comma key doesn't work.

    10. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a load of hyperbole. Yes, if you get it wrong.. it's "forever"... but lots of artists while they were well known and unknown made crappy music and it didn't end their career.

    11. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and wonders where young people are going to make culture now, now that the internet is killing off the pirate radio.

      It has never been easier to promulgate "culture" (e.g. audio) that you make.

      What kind of cultures are we speaking off?

      From TFA:

      ... pirate radio stations also offered public services ... They gave immigrant communities programming in their native languages, ran charity drives

      London is teaming with TERRORIST THREATS, and the proceeds of the so-called 'charity drives' might end up financing TERRORIST GROUPS which end up killing innocent Europeans.

    12. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, you are dense. The point of not wanting to do it on the Internet is that the mistakes you make will follow you for the rest of your existence (on the Internet). Like racist Manhattan lawyer bitching out service workers, or Joy Reid.

      Radio is a "scene" with no institutional memory. Even if you could remember a famous gaffe that occurred in the bulletin board user community back in the 1980's, who would around to agree with you about it?

    13. Re: seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no innocent Europeans. All Europeans are murderous, bloodthirsty warmongering fascists who would immediately start an unimaginable Reich of evil if the benevolent EU institutions did not keep them in check. This is what all EU supporters will tell you. Without the infinite goodness of the EU, Europeans immediately turn into murderous fascists. Theregore they cannot be innocent.

    14. Re:seriously? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Online it's much harder to get noticed too. There are people on Twitch to stream to no-one for weeks on end, just hoping that they will eventually get a viewer. Pirate radio had much higher listening figures.

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    15. Re:seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Online it's much harder to get noticed too. There are people on Twitch to stream to no-one for weeks on end, just hoping that they will eventually get a viewer. Pirate radio had much higher listening figures.

      Apples to oranges, it's not like we're going to watch other people playing video games while driving to work. Twitch should be compared to public-access television instead.

    16. Re:seriously? by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      I think the big differences might be in the convenience of recording from a computer vs tape, and the increased potential scope of people listening since anybody can listen online, but you'd have to be within range to listen to the FM Broadcast.

    17. Re: seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mission accomplished. Doesn't get quieter than that.

  2. I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by mapkinase · · Score: 1, Insightful

    For example, the sole reason of this word being in the title, because it evokes modern usage of "piracy" as incredibly stupid but accepted word for "copyright violation".

    Obviously, when you are using a radio frequency without paying for it, you are actually taking somebody's resource: nobody else can use this band in that area.

    Modern copyright infringement does nothing of that sort.

    Result: confusion, obfuscation, disinformation, propaganda.

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    1. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Many of the early "pirate" radio stations in the UK were in fact broadcasting from actual ships. Radio Caroline comes to mind immediately.

    2. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Informative

      The term "Radio Pirate" was used in the 1960s, it had nothing to do with copyright violations. Oddly enough the usage may actually have been the impetus for it being used for the latter.

      The term was initially used to describe radio stations that were literally run from ships in order to make it harder for UK authorities to prevent them from broadcasting an unlicensed service. Boats. Illegal activity. Boats. Illegal stuff. You can rather easily figure out why the word "pirate" was used.

      Over time the term was used for any unlicensed radio station, and ultimately I suspect this is why it translated so easily over to other kinds of unlicensed activity, including copyright infringement.

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    3. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, when you are using a radio frequency without paying for it, you are actually taking somebody's resource: nobody else can use this band in that area.

      Obviously this is wrong. Anybody can use the band. It simply comes down to which broadcaster's signal is stronger.

    4. Re: I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pirate pirate pirate

    5. Re: I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Funny

      The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a radio transmitter is a good guy with a stronger radio transmitter?

    6. Re: I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a good guy with a radio triangular and a gun.

    7. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The term "pirate" to refer to copyright infringement goes back to at least the mid-19th century. Google "Nickleby proclamation" (by Charles Dickens, 1838).

    8. Re: I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Or a good guy with a radio triangular and a gun.

      You mean the FCC with the US Marshals in tow?

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    9. Re: I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by bobbied · · Score: 1

      pirate pirate pirate

      You keep using that word... I don't think that word means what you think it means....

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    10. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by PPH · · Score: 1

      which broadcaster's signal is stronger.

      The Mexican border blasters.

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    11. Re: I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      This rarely happens in the USA. A bigger transmitter doesn't really help, and jamming the signal, while trivial, is a cat and mouse game.

      Radio regulations are plausibly damaged. Here's why. These voices need to be heard, and a diversity of them. But there isn't a lot of spectrum.

      With podcasts and online videos, you can develop audiences. Fame is what some "pirates" go for. Others just love the music and/or content and want to disseminate it. Radio is crowded enough, with enough advertising/political/religious interests, that voices get crowded out.

      Pirates started, and the ton of stuff on YouTube/etc. continuing, the Internet is the logical extension. Radio pirates remain. They could be stopped if the FCC had enough enforcement motivation, but they're budget-strapped, with a heavy agenda of making telcos rich via "5G".

      Therefore, if you don't interfere with 5G, you can do what you want in the USA, because the FCC only does emblematic shutdowns on a good day.

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    12. Re: I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure what they can do in the UK, but sure bring em along.

    13. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEWSFLASH

      "Emergency Services" and "Air Traffic Control"...
      These are FOUR HORSEMAN SCARE TACTICS... TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF!!!
      Before they start trying to tell you its to PROTECT THE CHILDREN.
      Or for DEMOCRACY or TAXES or some other complete bullshit.

      Also, pirate radio is alive and well.
      And you can pirate all you want over the anonymous encrypted overlay networks such as I2P and Tor with Onioncat, GnuNET, IPFS, etc... all with complete impunity 24x365.

    14. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      For anyone who likes a lighthearted movie based on this premise I can only recommend: The Boat That Rocked

      That said I know British humour and American humour differ slightly so it may not be everyone's cup of te.... black watered down thing you call coffee.

    15. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      Obviously, when you are using a radio frequency without paying for it, you are actually taking somebody's resource: nobody else can use this band in that area.

      And why would a non-corporate person care??? Its an unused radio frequency. If it was a radio frequency used by a commercial entity (the only "people" who can legally obtain a radio frequency to propagate their positions/culture), they would blot out the pirate station with the kilowatts of electrical power used to broadcast.

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    16. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by umberleigh · · Score: 1

      Thanks for reminding me of this. Saw it a few years ago and had completely forgotten the name of it. Really good film, definitely worth re-watching.

    17. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      >The term "Radio Pirate" was used in the 1960s, it had nothing to do with copyright violations

      I know. I wish you and at least 4 other people know how to read. That's exactly the point I am making.

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    18. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      > I suspect this is why it translated so easily over to other kinds of unlicensed activity, including copyright infringement.

      That might be true, but what is more important is the difference between two activities that I pointed.

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    19. Re:I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anyone is interested, the term 'pirate' was used as far back as the early silent movie days to describe people who copied movies and showed them in their early storefront theaters. Movie producers tried to stamp out piracy then just as they do today. Reading some of the one hundred year old issues of 'Motion Picture Herald' will verify this.

    20. Re: I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by bobbied · · Score: 1

      This rarely happens in the USA. A bigger transmitter doesn't really help, and jamming the signal, while trivial, is a cat and mouse game.

      It's only cat and mouse when the service being disrupted isn't something like the military, police or emergency. THEN they do have a history of being rather quick about dealing with the issue and show up with the US Marshals to deal with the problem and confiscate the equipment. It's rather rare, but it has happened a couple of times in my lifetime. They can and do find folks and if they ignore the warnings and fines, can and do take equipment. But usually it's a couple of years before they get to that point.

      The FCC's enforcement actions drag on for decades, in one instance for almost 30 years, with the issue finally ending when the guy actually died and couldn't keep thumbing his nose or refusing to pay the fines after that.

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    21. Re: I wish people stop using the word "pirate" by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      A pirate radio station on a public service frequency is plainly stupid, because no one listens to those frequencies for that kind of content. Sure, if you jam those frequencies, they'll hunt you down like a dog, and for good reason.

      But jamming an AM/FM pirate radio station doesn't work. Usually, the jammers bleed onto other adjacent frequencies (or harmonics of them) and are usually illegal themselves. Various governments used to jam each other's signals. One solution is the megawatt Chinese station that represents an impossibly huge signal to ignore, or frequency for ANY one else to use.

      The FCC is otherwise toothless, unless you need to pimp 5G networks and bury other competitors..... perhaps like cable companies.

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  3. This journalist is stupid by scourfish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this journalist wonders where "the young people will make culture" in the age of the internet, then this journalist is stupid and probably doesn't know how to internet very well.

    1. Re:This journalist is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he'd asked "Where will the young people make money from culture", then he would have made a good point.

      Who cares about a Youtube video with 500 views.

    2. Re:This journalist is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...or maybe this is more complex?

      Rather than being the promised burgeoning of the "long tail", the web has become a giant (western)world-wide game of winner takes all.

      Go to a council estate in London/Manchester in the 1990s and you would find local culturally relevant microcosms of expression. Those expressions would hold and find resonances in thousands of people in the local area. Some of them take root in a wider sense and give rise to "stars", but it is that expression of a local identity that was the value.

      Go to youtube now and you will find 40e6 videos with 10 views, and 10 videos with 40e6 views, posted per day. That isn't a long tail, that is a delta function.

      Winner takes all. Diversity wiped out, homogeneity rules. The web is the enabler of that, for better and (more likely) worse.

    3. Re:This journalist is stupid by shplopt · · Score: 1

      That really does sound lovely. My experiences with culture that isn't lame come from the vibrant and liberated 90s punk scenes in the states. Electronic music didn't catch on quite as strong here (thought that culture was absolutely present), and we certainly didn't have anything like the massive Reclaim the Streets parties, but it's something. It's incredible to go back to the fanzines of that era and see literally hundreds of ads and reviews for records, dozens of columns, dozens of interviews, reports on the punk scenes in various cities around the globe, lists of upcoming shows, contacts for booking tours, etc. There's nothing like it today. I still keep current on the local punk scene, but it's nowhere near as alive and forceful as back then. People keep trying, but with diminishing returns.

      I know this sounds like bland, bitter nostalgia, but I really don't think it is. Or if it is, I don't think I'm wrong. I believe we can trace this directly to the internet. At first, yes, the internet seemed like a wonderful tool for sharing culture. Counter-cultures were the first in line for bbs, newsgroups, email, websites, etc., and we used those tools well. It's not hard to see how these potentially liberating tools came to make us dull and asocial, though. It's mediated experience. It's not *real* in the way that hanging out with humans is. Nuance is lost. Expression is limited. The more we used these tools, the less we relied on psychical media and physical space. Fliers and zines were replaced by web forums, where a whisper is just as loud as a scream. And when web 2.0 came around, even this limited mode of expression became a thing of the past. It's monoculture. Everything on facebook looks the same. And it's boring af.

    4. Re:This journalist is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the long tail. The same occurs in Google searches. Duh? High points for popularity. Try searching for something with some words that are in the headlines, but you are searching something obscure, not in the headlines. But some of the some words. Impossible.

    5. Re:This journalist is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this journalist wonders where "the young people will make culture" in the age of the internet, then this journalist is stupid and probably doesn't know how to internet very well.

      Trump took the wind out of his cyber.

    6. Re:This journalist is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Internet a verb now? Let me internet it...

    7. Re:This journalist is stupid by ChrisBachmann · · Score: 1

      At least short sighted. The progression of the pirate stations to the internet has been going on for over 20 years now. https://www.wired.com/1997/12/...

  4. Interference inference by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 2

    So, they used the phrase "could interfere" with regards to emergency broadcasts. That sounds like excuse wording. At the very least it's unclear wording. Why not 'did' or 'sometimes' interfered?

    We're at the tail end here. DID it interfere with critical infrastructure, or was that an excuse used to attack interference with purely commercial broadcasters?

    1. Re:Interference inference by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      We're at the tail end here. DID it interfere with critical infrastructure...?

      No. In interfered with culture by exposing good English people with ethnic American folk music, causing them to spontaneously start dancing. And not some English dance where you spin in a circle with your back as straight as your upper lip, but rock and blues dancing, a sensual experience involving the whole body, and laying bare emotional exuberance.

      But they couldn't stop it, because America, and WWII. So in the end they had to suffer not only the Rolling Stones, but even the Beatles.

      They should have been happy, though, because Jefferson Airplane didn't really make it big, and the closest most of their people got to being exposed to hippy music was Donovan, which is about as watered down as if you replace the Clancy Brothers singing Kevin Barry with a church choir version.

    2. Re:Interference inference by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      So, they used the phrase "could interfere" with regards to emergency broadcasts. That sounds like excuse wording. At the very least it's unclear wording. Why not 'did' or 'sometimes' interfered?

      In the past, some did, sometimes. For the future, you use future tense words like "could".

      We're at the tail end here. DID it interfere with critical infrastructure,

      No, dear, it is an ongoing problem, not the tail end.

      or was that an excuse used to attack interference with purely commercial broadcasters?

      You don't believe that interfering with licensed broadcasters is a bad thing?

  5. Ofcom considers this good news by ve3oat · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was an SWL (short wave listener) from the 1950s until about 1990 and I can't recall any "pirate" radio station that could possibly interfere with emergency services or air traffic control. Most "pirate" broadcasters operated on frequencies in the domestic AM and FM broadcast bands (where ordinary people could hear them) or, if on short wave, near the international broadcast bands (naturally) or on *clear channels* in the so-called Fixed Public bands (point-to-point press and commercial services, etc) or in the Maritime Mobile bands. None of the "pirate" stations wanted to interfere with anyone else because then they would suffer interference too. (Radio interference is a two-way street, you see.) I think the Ofcom statement is simply a regurgitation of some self-serving bureaucratic mythology.

    1. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was an SWL (short wave listener) from the 1950s until about 1990 and I can't recall any "pirate" radio station that could possibly interfere with emergency services or air traffic control. Most "pirate" broadcasters operated on frequencies in the domestic AM and FM broadcast bands (where ordinary people could hear them) or, if on short wave, near the international broadcast bands (naturally) or on *clear channels* in the so-called Fixed Public bands (point-to-point press and commercial services, etc) or in the Maritime Mobile bands. None of the "pirate" stations wanted to interfere with anyone else because then they would suffer interference too. (Radio interference is a two-way street, you see.) I think the Ofcom statement is simply a regurgitation of some self-serving bureaucratic mythology.

      Indeed - if they operated only in ATC or emergency services frequencies, then nobody would hear them.

    2. Re: Ofcom considers this good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those emergency service bandwidths are hip. That's where all the influential music and talk radio play.

    3. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Most of them probably also knew that if a specific pirate station was KNOWN to interfere with emergency services and someone died as a result there would be nowhere to hide. None of their fans would protect them in that case.

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    4. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by shippo · · Score: 1

      It was a problem here in the UK several decades ago, as the FM waveband was also used by the police and other emergency services. Once these services moved to other frequencies during the early 1990s, the number of UK FM radio stations expanded rapidly. As did the pirates!

    5. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For laymen it is practically impossible to check if a transmitter does not interfere with other bands than the intended one. The pirate radios are operating a transmitter with enough power to reach an audience, but don't have the technical expertise to make sure that the actual signal emitted is what you and they think it is.

    6. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I think the Ofcom statement is simply a regurgitation of some self-serving bureaucratic mythology.

      At this point it might just be a self-driving bureaucratic mythology, since the internet makes moot any continuing practical government interest.

    7. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the thing that certifies you actually know (or at least passed a single test about) what the different bands are and which ones are reserved for really important stuff as well as the thing they revoke if you knowingly violate said conventions is your broadcasting lisence.

      Among the concerns with unlicensed broadcasters is that they potentially have no idea what they're doing or have lost their lisence for willfully breaking the rules in the past.

      But yeah. This sort of thing is usually more about money and people buthurt that not everyone agrees with their personal views on appropriateness of content.

    8. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many of those pirate radio stations bothered to check the spectral purity of the signals from their heavily-modified equipment?

    9. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was an SWL (short wave listener) from the 1950s until about 1990 and I can't recall any "pirate" radio station that could possibly interfere with emergency services or air traffic control.

      You appear to have a ham callsign as your ID. Words like "harmonic" and "spurious emission" should be familiar to you.

      Most "pirate" broadcasters operated on frequencies in the domestic AM and FM broadcast bands

      They had their primary emissions there. The fifth harmonic of 92 MHz is 460MHz, which is a US public safety allocation.

      or in the Maritime Mobile bands.

      The Maritime Mobile bands are involved in safety of marine operations, and indeed, people use those frequencies for emergency traffic.

      None of the "pirate" stations wanted to interfere with anyone else

      Maybe. Maybe not. But "want" is not "didn't". If wishes were horses then beggars would ride. The guy who thought it was a great idea to have a mobile cell jammer in his car to try to prevent other people from legal use of their phones in their cars "wished" he hadn't interfered with police and fire communications, I bet -- but didn't consider it until after he was caught.

      because then they would suffer interference too. (Radio interference is a two-way street, you see.)

      No, I don't see. If I am operating on 3.900MHz and getting splatter from the third harmonic of a pirate AM station on 1.300MHz, how is my operation interfering with him?

      I think the Ofcom statement is simply a regurgitation of some self-serving bureaucratic mythology.

      The fact that you don't understand the technology doesn't mean the regulators of that technology are ignorant. The fact that you understand so little about radio and yet appear to have a license to use it unsupervised does say something about Canada's licensing system.

    10. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      At this point it might just be a self-driving bureaucratic mythology, since the internet makes moot any continuing practical government interest.

      The internet makes government interest in the radio spectrum moot? You've got to be kidding.

    11. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree it's probably a bunch of BS in terms of number of incidence in reality... , but radio interference is NOT a two way street. Yes, they may have intended to broadcast on a public AM/FM band, but if they had crappy filters, or anything else along they way they could have had side lobes broadcast where they didn't mean to that could interfere with others.

    12. Re: Ofcom considers this good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, who wants their cell phone to work anyhow?

    13. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there was a rave station in london that got busted as they ended up on a planes radio. i don't know if the full story is available online but it happened. also the transmitters off ebay are a bit wonky and not to be trusted. if i remember rightly KissFM actually started as a pirate station but went big with some crazy high powerful transmitter, when they started spreading they had their own team of transmitter engineers making them themselves. it's a fascinating world of technology and art coming together

    14. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * I think the Ofcom statement is simply a regurgitation of some self-serving bureaucratic mythology.

      Yeah, it's called a SCARE TACTIC to get YOU the STUPID SHEEPLE to believe and do WHATEVER THEY SAY such as LET THEM FORCIBLY STEAL MONEY FROM YOU in the form of TAXES.

      You stupid sheeple.
      WAKE THE FUCK UP.

    15. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by ve3oat · · Score: 1

      I am very familiar with the generation, emission and suppression of harmonics and other spurious responses. But none of the "pirate" stations that I could hear on this side of the Atlantic operated on frequencies that interfered with other stations of any service. And none of them had harmonics detectable here. I am saddened that, being closer to them, your experience was different. I do hope that you joined the RSGB's intruder watch to assist in the regulatory enforcement effort. Your ad hominem work on behalf of Ofcom is noted.

    16. Re:Ofcom considers this good news by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      But none of the "pirate" stations that I could hear

      You didn't claim you couldn't hear the interference they could be generating, you claimed:

      ... I can't recall any "pirate" radio station that could possibly interfere with emergency services or air traffic control.

      "Could possibly" is a very strong statement. It implies you know something about the issue. You claim to be "very familiar" with spurious emissions and harmonics, and yet you cannot imagine any way that a pirate "could possibly" cause interference.

      Whether you can detect harmonics of a station on the other side of the planet or not doesn't prove jack shit about whether they were interfering, and now you show a lack of understanding of the effects of distance on radio signals. Your radio station could be splattering so many harmonics that you are completely wiping out the law enforcement frequencies in your city, and yet nobody further away than 50 miles could hear you. That's how radio works.

      Do you remember the words "inverse square law"? In short, that law means that you can be wiping out a repeater input 1 mile away with a 10 microvolt received signal, but at 50 miles your signal for the same system would be just 0.004 microvolt. As information for the casual reader (but not you, because you are an expert at this stuff) a very very good sensitivity for a receiver is 0.1 microvolt.

      By the way, it isn't ad hominem to point out your ignorance. The fact that you can't figure out any way they "could possibly" interfere isn't proof they cannot, and blasting away at OfCom because of your own ignorance is foolish.

      And a second by the way -- pirate radio is not a phenomenon limited to the UK, so you telling me to join RSGB's anything is just ass hattery.

  6. Re:How the times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, the English don't like being overrun by foreigners? What, you say your own medicine tastes funny?

  7. Off-shore unlicensed stations by macraig · · Score: 1

    Years ago I happened to stumble upon stories about how some of these "pirate" stations took up residence in offshore military installations left over from World War II. I spent the better part of a day reading about ingenuity and innovation of those stations in particular. To my knowledge we never had anything comparable in the USA, which is a big shame; apparently after the Revolutionary War we ceded our revolutionary mindsets back to British citizens?

    1. Re:Off-shore unlicensed stations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To my knowledge we never had anything comparable in the USA, which is a big shame; apparently after the Revolutionary War we ceded our revolutionary mindsets back to British citizens?

      To an extent, we never needed that in the USA because we didn't have anything like the restrictions on what could be broadcast that the UK did. Some regions had local restrictions on radio, and I think I remember reading about pirate radio stations anchored in the great lakes to avoid some local regulations (but those might've been to broadcast to Canada, I'm not sure).

    2. Re:Off-shore unlicensed stations by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      Years ago I happened to stumble upon stories about how some of these "pirate" stations took up residence in offshore military installations left over from World War II. I spent the better part of a day reading about ingenuity and innovation of those stations in particular. To my knowledge we never had anything comparable in the USA, which is a big shame; apparently after the Revolutionary War we ceded our revolutionary mindsets back to British citizens?

      Actually, we did and still do, but they are mostly low power stations that broadcast over a very narrow area.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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      I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
    3. Re:Off-shore unlicensed stations by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      You forgot about the Bible Belt. Yes there where a few pirate radio stations in the 70s and 80s but not a lot.

    4. Re: Off-shore unlicensed stations by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I guess you didn't spend enough time reading.

      Radio "piracy" began with the advent of regulations of the public airwaves in the United States at the dawn of the age of radio. Initially, radio, or wireless as it was more commonly called, was an open field of hobbyists and early inventors and experimenters. ...
      When the "Act to Regulate Radio Communication" was passed on August 13, 1912, amateurs and experimenters were not banned from broadcasting; rather, amateurs were assigned their own frequency spectrum, and licensing and call-signs were introduced. By regulating the public airwaves, President Taft thus created the legal space for illicit broadcasts to take place.

      Lots more on Wikipedia

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

    5. Re:Off-shore unlicensed stations by shippo · · Score: 2

      Admittedly there were some restrictions on UK radio at the time. Firstly only the BBC was allowed to operate radio stations, having just the three national services, one of which was essentially part time. Secondly the BBC was encumbered by 'needletime', the Musician's Union imposed limit on how much commercially available music could be played on the airwaves. It was a ridiculously low limit, forcing the BBC to use session recordings, or more likely cover versions of current hits by non-entities. Only one station, The Light Programme, played popular music at all, and that had to share its airwaves with sports, comedy, drama, and various other forms of music such as cinema organs and brass bands. The pirates came and could play records all day. Of course the paid no royalties, but there were other problems. The owner of two stations also had his own record label, and they constantly played his often mediocre releases. Another was owned by a prospective Parliamentary candidate, and used his station to broadcast campaigning adverts. There was also a murder associated with the ownership of one station and an incident in which several members of the crew of one station drowned. Eventually the government stepped in, granted the BBC an extra station just for popular music (but restricted still by 'needletime'), and made it illegal to advertise on these stations, or do any other business with them. Most stations closed when the law came in in Summer 1967. Within a few years the UK also gained some commercial stations, but radio didn't get fixed until about 20 years later, when emergency services started to move off the FM waveband, allowing far many more stations.

  8. Re: How the times have changed by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    I don't think they would mind as much if the people doing the overrunning came bearing advanced knowledge and technology rather than an old book and ancient superstitions. I for one would gladly accept some expansionist alien overlords looking to enrich themselves while improving us.

  9. Music is less culturally important than in the 90s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Music is less culturally important than in the 90s in my opinion. That sounds silly, but bear with me.

    The top 40/100/200 are far less important than before. MTV hardly shows any videos any more. Singles and album sales have been plummeting for a long time.

    There are many competing distractions now - smartphones, hugely popular online games, latest-generation console and PC games, social media.

    Live music has increased in importance, which is good. Recorded music has become very easy to access, but its perceived value has suffered.

  10. Re: How the times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Depends; does improving mean everybody benefits or only the "good" folks benefit? Those aliens might like to turn us into cattle.

  11. Re:How the times have changed by cunina · · Score: 1

    Have you actually been to London? Yes, there are some non-English people there, but it's still mostly the natives.

  12. Re:How the times have changed by youngone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you actually been to London?

    Of course he's never been to London. He probably thinks driving to the next crappy flyover State is "travel".
    None of those idiot A/C's who post nonsense about muslims have ever been anywhere. Why bother when you can stay at home and have Alex Jones and Fox News tell you what to think?

  13. whut by MJhasHIV · · Score: 0

    merp

  14. Re:Music is less culturally important than in the by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    So in other words people are distracted with other crap then spending time to listen to music.

    /sarcasm Next you'll be telling me book reading is going down as well !

  15. Western? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funnily enough the most viewed video ever is a Korean parody. So homogenous!

    When is the last time you've gone on Baidu or Niconico? Oh? You don't speak other languages? Ok. Go learn. It's ok, that cultural appropriation meme is bunk.

  16. Re:Music is less culturally important than in the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, that's what it is. If you don't think that the consequence is important, than fair enough.

    Will it affect the quality of music in the future? You bet.

  17. Really not by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    As a kid I have many fond memories of sneaking a pocket radio with a cheap earphone out after bedtimes, just lying in bed listening to Radio Luxembourg fading in and out with the atmospheric changes. I would have loved to have been nearer to London so I could have gotten the legendary radio Caroline too, but Luxmebourg was it where I lived, take it or leave it. If you Americans want to know what I'm talking about, watch the movie "Pirate Radio/The Boat That Rocked".

    It seems to me that the internet enables rather than prevents alternatives to the mainstream. Back then you needed a whole bunch of expensive infrastructure including a radio station and quite possibly a ship outside the 12 mile limit, now you just need a streaming website. In fact it seems the reverse problem exists. There are so many you can't find the wood for the trees.

  18. pirate online radio exists too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    most pirate stations have an online stream anyway - in fact some stations (like Flex FM IIRC) use the stream at source to send it to their uplink location, which beams using LNB's - so the uplink location needs internet and line of sight to a dish sneaked on to a high location, with the dish being connected to the trasmitter. it's always fascinated me how they hide the devices and score themselves a power outlet usually from a lift shaft. there has been efforts in the past to stream to mobile devices hidden and making use of cheap/unlimited internet plans.

    there are however thousands of online pirate stations whose main issue is just marketting, it's easy enough to get away with - if you keep it super lightweight and do the programming/scheduling and whatnot from from and icecast server will run on practically any VPS. in our case we used AirTime (by sourcefabric) which is free oss, but it can cause CPU issues so a dedicated is recommended - the benefit is you can automate and schedule a lot of stuff, and put live segments in where needed, and your DJs can be in different locations. when they start their stream they go live on the end stream as per AirTime schedule.
    it's just fun to do anyway and everyone should have a go, as you gain listeners you learn to make mirrors and backup systems, at the same time as giving local talent access to express themselves. but in fairness if you fudge your listener numbers or the type of group you are then the 2 licenses you need to use the music is only a few hundred quid a year.

  19. People Just Do Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BBC3's spoof documentary about an out-of-touch pirate radio station, People Just Do Nothing, is worth watching for an insight into this world. I think it is available on Netflix in most places.

  20. Nostalgia by Colourspace · · Score: 1

    I was putting out white label dance records in the early 90's, and all my airplay came from crackly AM pirate stations - good times!

  21. Pirate Radio and Drugs by malx · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised the neither the article nor this discussion mentions the connection between pirate radio and drugs.

    By the time I personally encountered pirate radio, in the 1990s, it was essentially run by drug gangs. The radio played music, to get listeners, and "advertised" to those listeners by promoting (also illegal, unlicensed) raves, which were a major distribution venue for the then-popular synthetic drugs, Acid and Ecstasy, and some less common synthetics. (Not pot).

    At the turn of the millennium I was commercially involved in a government project to bring early wi-fi to a deprived council estate (US: federal housing project) as part of a regeneration exercise. The drug gangs aggressively defended their rooftop transmitters, and it required some negotiation to agree to share space: they were also concerned about radio interference!

    It was these experiences that convinced me that the drugs trade is not a metaphor, it's the literal truth that it's a business like any other, with illegality being an (unpleasant, dangerous and damaging) detail of the trading environment not a fundamental category. Successful drug dealers become media barons and patrons of the arts, just like other business leaders.

  22. Delbert Wilkins, where are you now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=281jMxOvP5k