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James Murdoch In Line To Replace Musk As Tesla Chairman, Says Report [Update] (reuters.com)

21st Century Fox CEO James Murdoch is the lead candidate to replace Elon Musk as Tesla chairman, the Financial Times reported today. The company has until November 13 to appoint an independent chairman of the board, part of settlements reached last month between Tesla, Musk and U.S. regulators in the wake of Musk tweeting in August that he had secured funding to take the company private. Reuters reports: The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, which said the statement was fraudulent, allowed the billionaire to retain his role as CEO while stripping him of his chairmanship and imposing a penalty of $20 million on each party. Murdoch, who is a nonexecutive director of Tesla, has signaled he wants the job, the report said. The son of Fox mogul Rupert Murdoch, he joined Tesla's board in July 2017 after years of work with media companies. He has no experience in manufacturing and has never led a company that makes cars or electric vehicles.

Murdoch currently serves on the boards of 21st Century Fox and News Corp. He stepped down from the board of Sky Plc on Tuesday following the completion of Comcast Corp's takeover of the broadcaster. Glass Lewis research director Courteney Keatinge said in a telephone interview on Wednesday that while Murdoch's departure from Sky could alleviate some concerns, the Tesla chairmanship would still require a big time commitment as the company faces pressures on many fronts.
Update: In a tweet late Wednesday, Musk said Financial Times' report was inaccurate.

141 comments

  1. Murdoch by mentil · · Score: 3, Funny

    Murdoc is replacing MacGyver? He gonna install Blofeld as CEO next?

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    1. Re:Murdoch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      h .

    2. Re:Murdoch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god - no - f-ng - no. Murdoch - the spawn of one of the most evil 20th century crims. An obvious dump, then pump scenario. Classic Murdoch strangulation play to consolidate power and wealth. Heaven help us.

    3. Re:Murdoch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      James Murdock has a colorful past. Casio croupiers know he drops insane amonts of money on frivoloity + stories. If he trusts others it may be another Onetel. Musk seems to be more detail driven.

    4. Re:Murdoch by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I don't think he is a good choice as what they need right now is someone who would be profit driven and somewhat technically inclined to make some calls about which spending is going to actually bring in profit.

      Or perhaps they regard it as a media company or something like that. might just as well.

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  2. Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Grabs popcorn...

    1. Re:Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Could be the right move. Given papa's power, in short time you'd be hearing the party line change to how they never denied climate change and EVs are great. Anything else is just lies, all lies, from the fake news media led by CNN and NYT.

    2. Re:Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We never said climate change wasn't happening. We always said it was Obama's fault. Because he didn't use the Paris accords to shut down China.

      That was easy.

    3. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EV use has nothing to do with climate change in either direction.

      So stupid.

    4. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, what? So my EV that charges almost exclusively using solar panels on top of my house is not reducing CO2 (and all other) emissions?

      Who or what is stupid?

    5. Re:Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or he sells off everything of value to boost profits the first quarter and then leaves.

    6. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I think they are saying that EVs and solar is just for fun, a competitor to fossil fuels for its own sake ;)

    7. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your fantasies are most definitely not lowering CO2.

    8. Re:Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This seems like another 4chan fakeout.

      In all honesty, the Murdoch's profit-driven-lack-of-morals style business dealings is both a blessing and a curse, because it allowed some very risky (for the time) things to get onto TV (eg The Simpsons, Married with Children) , but also allowed entertainment to be disguised as news (eg Fox News), and without any kind of rules to govern how news is to be factually true and free of editorializing, it's why Fox is such a shitshow, and people who don't have the time to fact-check get driven into panics at the wacky fox editorials presented as news.

      Protip: Any news program where there is more than one person talking about the subject, is editorial (read: opinion, not fact checked.) Fox is not alone in this regard, but it is the sole "news" channel that fails even basic fact sniff tests for what it presents as news. Other channels like MSNBC and CNN at least aren't dishonest about presenting opinions as facts, but they still know they're there to make money, so you get things like MSNBC stringing along what should be a 3 minute news clip into a god damned 30 minute clickbait topic, and likewise with CNN's obsession about being the exclusive source of breaking news, that they will spend an entire goddamn month on the same fucking story (hello MH370, we are in year three of CNN's obsession with this story still.)

    9. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was the carbon cost of producing those solar panels, I assure you it wasn't zero. If they were produced in any country that burns coal (like China or the US) then yes there was a carbon cost.

      To be blunt though, Most of the continental US is perfect for PV Solar panels, but most of Canada is not. So Musk's solar roofing might actually be a good investment as long as you live in places like California, Arizona or Nevada where there is a net surplus. Oregon, Washington State, and BC (Canada) are basically break even, or net-negative (eg the investment in solar panels would outstrip the lifetime cost of the roof and the energy generated, even without taking into account the carbon cost.)

      Canada, the west coast is better off investing in a mixture of Geothermal and Wind, while the prairie provinces can get away with Wind exclusively and hydro-electric as base-load. They're tiny in populations.

      The east/central regions of Canada and the US simply "just plain suck" for any kind of permanent power plant, as wind turbines will be torn up every year from hurricanes and tornados, while PV solar will likely not last long enough in a storm to make anything back. No for the east and central America, they basically need storable on-demand energy, because those generation sources are going to get wrecked one day. I'm surprised a tornado hasn't yet dropped on a nuclear plant.

    10. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least in Illinois, the nuke plants are not built near mobile home parks.

    11. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a mobile home park, that's the Governor's house !
      (sorry, could'nt resist this one ^^)

    12. Re:Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From an NYT Report:

      James, who holds some progressive views, has privately expressed embarrassment about some elements of Fox News, including its sometimes skeptical coverage of climate change, according to the three people who are friendly with him, a stance not shared by his more conservative brother and father.

    13. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #1 first thought.

    14. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Geothermal and wind are not even the best renewable option for Canada, which is the only developed country that still has lots of hydro potential.

      Canada also has massive amounts of uranium.

    15. Re:Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      Could be the right move. Given papa's power, in short time you'd be hearing the party line change to how they never denied climate change and EVs are great. Anything else is just lies, all lies, from the fake news media led by CNN and NYT.

      We're at war with Eastasia. We've always been at war with Eastasia.

    16. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Canada also has massive amounts of uranium.

      I guess that explains the whole hockey thing...

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    17. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. âoeWhat was the carbon cost of producing those solar panels?â Good job trying to slip in a false narrative there. The fact is, yes, producing solar panels does pollute. The critical point here is that it pollutes less. About 20 to 30 times less than using fossil fuels (it varies depending on the specific type of pollution, but those numbers are pretty spot on for greenhouse emissions). So, the claim that using solar panels reduces greenhouse gas emissions is perfectly accurate, except for fringe conditions where the panels are installed in total shade, etc.

    18. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The critical point here is that it pollutes less.

      It produces less CO2, maybe, but the rest of the stuff that is dumped into the environment and eventually gets into the ocean is much, much worse than CO2.

    19. Re: Climate Change Denier Running an EV Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solar cells really donâ(TM)t pollute more. Sure, polysilicon production can have some nasty byproducts but a lot of the byproducts produced in the mining, refining, distribution, and final use of fossil fuels are pretty nasty too. If we are going to nitpick on every part of the chain, the case for fossil fuels gets worse, not better. Can you even tell me what chemicals are in fracking fluid? How much radioactive dust, mercury compounds, etc. are produced by coal burning? What kinds of heavy metal laden waste products come from petroleum refining? Heck, look at electric cars. They have less stuff in them. Fewer toxic fluids that leak, generally less metal, etc. more lithium and rares earths for sure, so there is some give and take on the impact of various types of mining and refining to produce the final product. Overall though, the lower energy use combined with the lower pollution caused by solar cells appears to be a significant net gain over the alternatives. Also, in the long run, they can reduce or eliminate gas stations, which are major sources of pollution.
      Other environmental pluses for electric cars, even if we ignore charging with renewables, is that they centralize power production. Even if the power plant uses gasoline, it uses significantly less of it to run an electric car than an equivalent ICE car would. The reasons for this include the improved efficiency of a large power plant over a small internal combustion engine, and the inherent efficiencies of an electric car (regenerative braking, for one, less mechanical loss, less energy use idling in traffic, etc.).

      Taken all together, itâ(TM)s not clear why anyone bothers to argue against renewables plus electric vehicles.

  3. Huh by Der+Huhn+Teufel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess we'll find out what happens when you replace crazy with evil.

    1. Re:Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up! :P

  4. Fire up a doobie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bro!

  5. Rupert Murdoch and Saudis by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Interesting. Rupert Murdoch's son is heading a company which is heavily invested by the Saudis. Sounds like a company worth investing in with those fine fellows on board.

    1. Re: Rupert Murdoch and Saudis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couldn't they get Dick Cheney.

    2. Re: Rupert Murdoch and Saudis by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I heard they were considering Kenneth Lay, but he was busy with other stuff.

    3. Re: Rupert Murdoch and Saudis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, busy resting in a box up on the mantle.

    4. Re: Rupert Murdoch and Saudis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re: Rupert Murdoch and Saudis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what she said.

  6. Makes sense by DMJC · · Score: 2

    Dad's gonna bump off some time soon. Someone has to ensure the trust fund stays full of cash.

  7. Well, there goes Tesla by DanDD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A similar thing happened to Aptera Motors. A great little company with lots of potential (queue the electricity jokes), but they never reached their potential - all due to the idiots on the board.

    So sad. If Murdoch does take the reins, I predict Elon will resign as CEO, and simply keep his spot on the board.

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    1. Re:Well, there goes Tesla by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      So you are saying this is a revolting development?

    2. Re:Well, there goes Tesla by commodore64_love · · Score: 0

      > they never reached their potential - all due to the idiots on the board.

      In this case it was Elon Musk who was the idiot, because he opened his mouth & violated the law. (He then demonstrated further idiocy by rejecting the U.S. offer to drop the case in exchange for a small fine.)

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    3. Re:Well, there goes Tesla by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      > all due to the idiots on the board.

      Specifically, those idiots spending time and resources developing a vehicle with niche appeal and limited utility. It might've been hyper efficient but it had the worst qualities of a car combined with the worst qualities of a motorcycle but the benefits of neither.
      =Smidge=

    4. Re:Well, there goes Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the hundreds of thousands that have. And the hundreds of thousands that still want to, and paid to be in line to do so.

      Dumbass.

    5. Re:Well, there goes Tesla by DanDD · · Score: 3, Funny

      yes, the current state of affairs is re-volting, I am not amped about this. The potential for failure is high.

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    6. Re:Well, there goes Tesla by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      This is shocking news indeed.

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    7. Re:Well, there goes Tesla by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      Musk won't resign as CEO. He wants to be fired, so that he can be an "outsider" when Tesla crashes and burns in a few months, because that way he can lie to his cultists "I could have saved it". Musk's been trying to get fired for almost two months now. The problem is, the board is made of his cronies, who want to take the blame for his "management" about as much as he wants.

    8. Re:Well, there goes Tesla by dehachel12 · · Score: 1

      So niche in fact that they are only the top 4 seller in the US in september 2018.

    9. Re: Well, there goes Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm having some resistance to this circuitous thought

    10. Re: Well, there goes Tesla by DanDD · · Score: 1

      Ha, well done :)

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    11. Re:Well, there goes Tesla by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      That's quite a feat considering they closed up shop in 2011.

      =Smidge=

    12. Re:Well, there goes Tesla by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      yes, the current state of affairs is re-volting, I am not amped about this. The potential for failure is high.

      Oh please. The board is not really that in charge. Their power is mostly imaginary. A lot of the energy they put into running a company is wasted, especially in the face of excited and energetic CEO.

  8. From "Who Killed the Electric Car Part 2" by bonedonut · · Score: 1

    You know what will make these cars better? If we add this cool new invention called the "Internal Combustion Engine"!

    1. Re:From "Who Killed the Electric Car Part 2" by mentil · · Score: 1

      Would the subtitle be 'ICE Boogaloo'?

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  9. Incorrect per Elon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This is incorrect" - Elon Musk

    Source: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1050164164805545984

    1. Re:Incorrect per Elon by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Another 4:20 tweet. Dude is just asking for the SEC to toss him in prison at this point.

    2. Re: Incorrect per Elon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Sounds like fake news to me"
      -Tonal Drumpf

    3. Re:Incorrect per Elon by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      How would you know Musk's tweet is incorrect?

    4. Re:Incorrect per Elon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's lied in his tweets a lot more than once.

      "Funding secured"
      "Safest car ever"
      "$35k car in 2017"
      "sustained rate of 5k+ cars/week" ....

      Need I continue?

  10. Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cmon....you right a no name car startup was going to disrupt the oil industry?

  11. Why do they think that by mark-t · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... Musk supposedly commited fraud. As far as I can understand he said one day that he had secured funding to make the company private. This spooked a lot of people, but there's no indication he was trying to lie about it.

    Then, by my understanding, a whole shitpile of people basically begged him not to go through with it because it would be catatsrophically stupid.

    In the aftermath of that social onslaught, Musk apparently had some sense knocked into him and so he announced he would not be making Tesla private This doesn't mean he necessarily ever lied, but had definitely spoken far too hastily, because it was not something that had apparently thought through.

    But again.... how is any of this fraud?

    Stupid as shit, sure.... and it's only fair there should be consequences for that, but fraud?

    Fraud requires an intent, or at least a probable intent, to deceive, and I just didn't see that coming from him on this point. He had no incentive to deceive anyone about taking Tesla private... he had his reasons, and presumably they weren't good enough in the big picture to justify actually doing that. That just means he made a mistake, it doesn't mean he lied about it.

    Again though, mistakes can reasonably have consequences, but hanging the term "fraud" on it is, I think, a pretty gross mischaracterization of what actually occurred.

    1. Re:Why do they think that by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      He did it to "get" the shorts. He never had funding secured like he said. You can't just tweet out whatever you want when you are a officer of a public company. Total fraud, but Musk is the Trump of the EV world so it was expected.

    2. Re:Why do they think that by mspohr · · Score: 4, Informative

      He said he was "considering" taking the company private, "funding secured", "all that is needed is shareholder approval".
      Shareholders told him they didn't approve so he dropped the plan before it even got to a vote.
      The only uncertainty was the "funding secured" part. Depends on your definition of "secured". Supposedly the Saudis have been hounding him to buy the company for a few years. People assume the funding was from the Saudis and they have the money.

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    3. Re:Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you understand the market. The CEO made a claim that funding was secured to take the company at 420/share. So anyone who believed him would be stupid not to buy shares 420/share. That is illegal because it pumped the stock and was done so by the CEO, not some analyst who would not have the inside information.

    4. Re: Why do they think that by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      The claim of secured funding was never substantiated.

    5. Re:Why do they think that by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      .As far as I can understand he said one day that he had secured funding to make the company private... there's no indication he was trying to lie about it.

      He claimed he had a specific deal, at a specific price, at a specific point in the negotiation process where it only required shareholder approval. I thought the SEC investigated and found no indication of any such pending deal.

      I agree with 110010001000 that he made it up completely to try and hurt the short sellers. Had he succeeded, it might have actually been worth the risk of being removed as chairman. It might have actually caused such deals to materialize. Maybe he just gambled poorly. Maybe he didn't consider that the stock price would plummet, and it would piss-off investors, and get the SEC involved?

    6. Re:Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You do not understand U.S. law, regardless of the length of your post.

    7. Re:Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't want other people copying him, you have to punish him. Simple as that.

      Imagine if the CEO of a major bank did the same.. well now they know the penalty and can factor it in.. 20m is pretty cheap if you do it right.

    8. Re:Why do they think that by theskipper · · Score: 2

      Fraud is clearly characterized. The complaint spells it all out:
      https://www.sec.gov/litigation...

      There was no term sheet. No 8-Ks were filed. The Saudis and VW denied they were in any specific talks. The tweet was solely intended to force shorts to cover.

    9. Re:Why do they think that by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The SEC wants to make an example of him so other CEOs don't do the same thing.

      Whether or not he committed 'fraud' by normal English usage is irrelevant: there are a series of highly specific laws CEOs must follow, and it takes a lot of domain specific knowledge for even a lawyer to figure out if he actually broke the law. Unless you have that domain specific knowledge, it's not worth arguing about whether he broke the law or not.

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    10. Re: Why do they think that by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The claim of secured funding was never substantiated.

      It was never found unsubstantiated in court, either, because there was never a case. There was only a settlement, which did not require Musk or Tesla to admit guilt.

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    11. Re:Why do they think that by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even if the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund did tell Musk they wanted to buy, do you think they offered 420? Because otherwise it's like if Bill Gates keeps asking to buy my house. I cannot say "I have a solid deal to sell my house for a billion dollars." Him wanting to buy it and having that much money does not mean he wants to buy it at that price

      Depends on your definition of "secured".

      It's not a linguistic argument. When you claim funding is secured, and you are talking about a financial transaction, you are making a very specific claim. If it had been secured, Musk would have sat with the SEC in a room, showed them the documentation, and been done. He wouldn't have taken a plea for no reason.

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    12. Re:Why do they think that by mark-t · · Score: 2

      I agree with 110010001000 that he made it up completely to try and hurt the short sellers.

      Do you have some evidence to the effect that this was his probable incentive?

      Because from everything I've read, this was just an example of a man who spoke too hastily about something that everybody freaked out about. There is precisely zero evidence that he ever actually intended to defraud anyone. The fact that people may have lost money over it might certainly be his fault, but that doesn't mean he ever intended to deceive, and in the legal definition of fraud, you do have to show probable cause for actual intent. Consequences that happen to result in financial loss for someone does not prove fraud (although it may still merit compensatory damages).

    13. Re:Why do they think that by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Oh, I never said he shouldn't be punished, and I think him stepping down as chairperson is the LEAST that should happen...

      I just think hanging the term "fraud" on acts that can easily be explained by stupidity is not right... because at the very least, it lowers the bar for fraud to that of simply making a mistake that happens to cost other people money. It's fair to hold him responsible for what he said and did, but it's not fair to say he intended to cause financial harm to anyone.

    14. Re:Why do they think that by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      There is no one like Musk, but probably the best parallel is Steve Jobs - for better and worse.

    15. Re:Why do they think that by mark-t · · Score: 2

      IANAL, but I do know that the legal definition of "fraud" does entail actually having an *intent* to deceive.

      Now obviously proving intent in a court of law can be problematic, but you can sometimes prove that there is probable intent.

      So, what evidence exists that might show probable intent to cause harm that couldn't also be far more easily explained as the actions of someone who was simply overstressed, and starting to make bad decisions?

      Time off from being chairperson will probably be good for the guy, to be honest...

      And of course, it's fair to hold him accountable for any financial damages he caused with his statement, but I don't think it's fair at all to assume that he ever intended to cause harm. As the old saying goes, justice without mercy is not justice at all, it is tyranny.

    16. Re:Why do they think that by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Musk has Enron-like hate for short sellers. The CEO of Enron used to tell Enron employees that Enron was under attack "just like America's under attack by terrorism." Musk says very similar things about short sellers. It isn't a surprise made that Tweet.

    17. Re: Why do they think that by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      There was a case, which was settled, with Musk and Tesla accepting a considerable fine and concessions to SEC demands.

      $40m is a non-trivial amount of legal fees, and the fact that this settlement was accepted is a very good indication of the estimate the lawyers gave to Tesla management about the likelihood of success of challenging SEC in court.

      Incidentally "substantiating" the claim has the same likelihood.

      And it is apparently indistinguishable from a zero.

    18. Re:Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean beyond the man 'fessing up himself his most important goal is to "burn the shorts"?

      https://twitter.com/elonmusk/s...

      And rambling incessantly about it?

      https://twitter.com/search?q=f...

      No, no evidence at all...

    19. Re: Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Musk is at best a caricature of Jobs, and not a very good one.

      He can't do the three things that make Jobs stand out: shut up, execute and deliver.

      Musk is a loud wanker with a disproportionately large ego and a bit of good luck, that's all.

    20. Re:Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keep asking that question and keep ignoring the evidence. Why?

      https://twitter.com/elonmusk/s...

      https://twitter.com/search?q=f...

    21. Re: Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey everybody - check out the paid PR flak, who lies all day and all night long for profit, accusing American Hero Elon Musk of "fraud" for making an honest but hasty tweet.

      I hear President Trump's DoJ is investigating media manipulation by Tesla short sellers. Who conveniently happen to be all a bunch of anti-American shitlords.

      Your purge is coming, assholes. Get ready!

    22. Re: Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is the "coercion" here? Musk could have fought the charges in court. A legal war chest of $40m is quite enormous. He chose not to on advice from his lawyers. Do you know what reasons a lawyer may have to give such an advice?

    23. Re:Why do they think that by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Neither of those actually prove that when he announced that he wanted to make Tesla a private company, that he did not actually ever intend to do so. If it was not legally possible for him to do, then why would it have caused a panic in the first place?

      Now, to address the particulars....

      The first thread you mentioned was isolated, and was approximately 4 months earlier... I would suggest that it is more circumstantial than anything else. It might be more prudent to examine what was happening at Tesla at the time that prompted the remark than to assume it was relevant to his later comments in August about making Tesla private.

      The second link you provided is not him so-called rambling incessantly about a single topic, it is a search result showing tweets by Musk over a period of time that happen to contain the word "shorts". You don't go around assuming that this is evidence that Musk has some sort of weird thing about eggs that he keeps bringing the topic up, do you?

    24. Re: Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 out of 10. You showed your hand with "American Hero Elon Musk". Clearly a troll. It would have been better had you toned down your post.

    25. Re:Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you're so sure that the rest of the world is wrong, and you have such great insights, how about you contact Musks legal team and tell them the error of their way. Point out legally why Musk did nothing wrong, and what the defense they should be using in court since clearly you know better than his legal team.

    26. Re: Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Neither of those actually prove that when he announced that he wanted to make Tesla a private company, that he did not actually ever intend to do so

      LOL. Of course not. They are an evidence of the reason for the twit of the twat, to hurt the "shorts".

      The evidence he did not intend to take the company private is that he didn't have a deal lined up.

      So, fraud.

    27. Re:Why do they think that by Quince+alPillan · · Score: 1

      They actually gave him an offer of 419, but he rounded up to 420 because the 420 reference amused him.

    28. Re:Why do they think that by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The defense he would have to truthfully use in court is that he was being a stupid shit when he said those things.

      But being stupid and willfully committing fraud are two entirely different things.

    29. Re: Why do they think that by mark-t · · Score: 1

      He didn't have a deal lined up, but what is the reason for thinking that he might not have *believed* that he could have a deal lined up?

      As I said before... it's stupid, but being stupid is not the same thing as trying to commit fraud. It's not an excuse to avoid consequences, but it certainly should be an excuse to avoid being accused of doubting a person's integrity or intentions, and the legal definition of fraud most definitely includes having an *intent*.

    30. Re:Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because otherwise it's like if Bill Gates keeps asking to buy my house. I cannot say "I have a solid deal to sell my house for a billion dollars."

      Instructive analogy - except Musk wasn't talking about a billion dollars, he was talking about 20% above current share price. So it's like Bill Gates is really into buying your house, do you think it's a safe bet he's going to buy it at 20% over what a real estate agent recently valued the house at?

      Depending on your conversations with Bill Gates, you could easily think it was a safe bet.

      It's not a linguistic argument. When you claim funding is secured, and you are talking about a financial transaction, you are making a very specific claim.

      Perhaps according to the rules the SEC are operating by, but really, this was a message to the shareholders. I personally read it as "I have funding sources to finance this". Not as "I have written contracts, it's just waiting for a shareholder vote". So personally, I was certainly not the victim of fraud.

    31. Re: Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps they thought they could win, but that the distraction and PR shitstorm in the mean time would be more damaging than 40 million?

      I think it's clear that it was careless language.

    32. Re:Why do they think that by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      So, what evidence exists that might show probable intent to cause harm that couldn't also be far more easily explained as the actions of someone who was simply overstressed, and starting to make bad decisions?

      I'm curious, why do you think these are mutually exclusive options? Both are likely to be true, in fact the latter explains the former, it doesn't contradict it.

      Many an illegal act has been performed by a stressed person making bad decisions.

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    33. Re:Why do they think that by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      do you think it's a safe bet he's going to buy it at 20% over what a real estate agent recently valued the house at?

      Leaving aside an appraisal vs. a stock price as a reflection of market value, "feeling sure" and getting a bank to extend me credit becauseit's under contract at that premium are different things.

      Perhaps according to the rules the SEC are operating by, but really, this was a message to the shareholders

      A message to the shareholders... which is legally prescribed by the SEC rules.

      I personally read it as "I have funding sources to finance this".

      Right. I have funding sources who have contractually committed to finance this. Which he didn't.

      Even if you misunderstood what Musk said, he made a public statement that manipulated the stock and was false. If he tweeted "New Tesla Air-Lithium batteries have same energy density as gas, recharge in 5 minutes, shipping 2019" and was lying, you would understand the lawsuit, right?

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    34. Re: Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not in this case. Had the lawyers thought there was a chance to win, the Tesla Prima donna would have taken it. After all, she did vent on Twitter about the "Shorts Enrichment Commission". This is exactly what badly raised children do when they're disciplined, they vent in front of their peers.

    35. Re: Why do they think that by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Where is the "coercion" here? Musk could have fought the charges in court. A legal war chest of $40m is quite enormous. He chose not to on advice from his lawyers. Do you know what reasons a lawyer may have to give such an advice?

      Not speaking to the coercion claim specifically, but fighting a case in court means making things part of the public record. In many cases, settling out of court is the best option. Even if you were guaranteed to win the case in court.

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    36. Re:Why do they think that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said he had funding. He did not. Not hard to grasp.

  12. nice move if they want tesla to die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Murdoch would be terrible, he's got a string of failures even in the media industry, which he should vaguely know something about. Other than that he's a clueless oaf that can't even make his casino's make money

  13. Considerations list... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Maybe with those two independent seats you've got to put people in, you consider someone with experience running a manufacturing or logistics operation, which seem to be the two things Tesla really needs, and right now.

    Maybe that person will have a friend that can act as a Chief Operating Officer, who also has manufacturing and / or logistics experience. Bonus points if they have experience in the automotive industry with actually making and delivering cars at volume.

    Just a thought.

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    1. Re:Considerations list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one with experience and good name will join Tesla. If you're a manufacturing executive veteran, the last thing you want is to join a company that's about to fail, which is lead by a narcissist with no abilities and no self-restraint.

      The investors should have put Musk out of any CxO positions right after the IPO. Then Tesla might have had a chance, but this is long, long gone.

  14. WTF does a TV CEO know about electric cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aside from the one he uses to drive over everyone else in the street...

  15. Who does? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody understands U.S. law. It's literally millions of pages long. The law is ultimately "Whatever the powers-that-be collude to say it is at any given time".

    1. Re:Who does? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh shut up and let the adults talk.

  16. RIP Tesla. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It was nice while it lasted, I guess.

    Now the profit leeches got them, just like they destroy everything else.

    Who cares if humanity advances? Who cares about happiness? Gotta make a quick buck. Not earn. Make It is all that matters. No reason, other than circular logic and "growth".
    You know... that thing that is the opposite of stability, and hence the opposite of survival, and predominantly the domain of deadly explosions and deadly pathogens. (The not very successful ones, that kill themselves in the process.)

    1. Re:RIP Tesla. by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      Musk has tweeted that the article is incorrect. Good. James Murdoch tries to paint himself as the "renegade son" who rejects his father's philosophy, while actually sharing a large chunk of it, and engaging in just as scummy tactics (see the BBC phone hacking scandal.... the resulting investigation of which basically declared James as unfit to manage a corporate board).

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    2. Re:RIP Tesla. by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Well, he is already a board member, so apparently Tesla likes the guy. I agree with your analysis of the him though: I think he fits in quite nicely at Tesla.

    3. Re: RIP Tesla. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you looked at the video data?

    4. Re: RIP Tesla. by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 0

      No, I find looking at a stream of bytes quite a pointless exercise. The opinion on the test validity of the test designers and administrators is quite enough for me.

    5. Re: RIP Tesla. by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tesla never claimed that the NHTSA gave them higher than five stars. They claimed that the NHTSA data shows that it has the lowest probability of injury of any car ever tested. Which is a fact whether you like it or not.

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    6. Re: RIP Tesla. by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      Tesla never claimed that the NHTSA gave them higher than five stars. T

      LOL. Never? As in never-never? As in really-really-never?

      What is this story about then?

      https://www.greencarreports.co...

      Why do you paid musk shills never stop lying?

      They claimed that the NHTSA data shows

      Which is also a lie - the NHTSA clarification says its data doesn't show what Tesla says it shows. Hence, when someone says which is a fact, they're also wrong. Or, as in your case, lying.

    7. Re: RIP Tesla. by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 0

      It is an easy job, even if it doesn't pay all that well.

    8. Re: RIP Tesla. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehe, Rei.

      Drops a turd, gets called out, runs away.

      Always.

    9. Re:RIP Tesla. by organgtool · · Score: 2

      So if Musk is right and the Financial Times is wrong, will the SEC investigate the Financial Times for spreading false information that affected the stock price?

    10. Re: RIP Tesla. by Rei · · Score: 2

      Check the date of the article they posted. That has nothing to do with the Model 3.

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    11. Re: RIP Tesla. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check your comment, "Tesla has never liked about its ratings."

      Except that this is the second time NSTHA is correcting them for false claims.

      Musk is a fraud and a joke.

    12. Re: RIP Tesla. by Rei · · Score: 2

      As pointed out: it's not a false claim, it's literally the NHTSA's data. Regardless of whether the NHTSA gives out higher than five stars or not.

      I'm sorry that this bothers you so much.

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    13. Re: RIP Tesla. by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      Tesla never claimed that the NHTSA gave them higher than five stars.

      Please, the link is upthread. Tesla did lie about NHTSA "5.4" ratings. NHTSA corrected them. Instead of learning their lesson, and sticking to the truth, however unexciting, Musk cannot keep himself from lying.

      Now that this "5+" fake news doesn't work anymore, he's trying another lie, selling a test for more than it actually measures. NHTSA corrected them again. It is the same behavior - no lessons learned. Lying is the default mode of Tesla.

      It is also the reason for their inevitable demise come next year - they aren't only lying to their customers and investors, they are lying to themselves too, and believing it. And when the link with reality is lost, reality catches up in the most unpleasant ways. Which is what we're seeing now.

    14. Re: RIP Tesla. by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      it's literally the NHTSA's data.

      No, it literally isn't, and NHTSA is making a point of underlining it fatly. It is bothersome, because people will believe the lies of Musk and his paid shills like yourself, and cause harm, get injured or die.

    15. Re: RIP Tesla. by Rei · · Score: 1
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    16. Re: RIP Tesla. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it literally isn’t.

    17. Re: RIP Tesla. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your comment that "Tesla has never claimed a 5.4 safety rating" has nothing todo with a model 3 either

    18. Re: RIP Tesla. by Rei · · Score: 2

      Look at the data for yourself, for crying out loud.

      The first four pages are the likelyhood of injury in each of the four categories. These are combined into an overall safety score on the 5th page (Comb VSS+Overall Ratings). VSS is the probability of injury. Look at it, and get out of denial.

      Anything with a lower VSS than 0,67 is declared as "five stars". But that doesn't change the fact that the probability of injury itself is VSS, and at the Model 3's value of 0,38 is the lowest ever tested by the NHTSA.

      Again: I'm sorry facts appear to bug the hell out of you, but they remain facts.

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    19. Re: RIP Tesla. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean data that has zero statistical significance since the model 3 has not spent enough time on roads?

    20. Re: RIP Tesla. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the army of Tesla shills upvote two lies while down voting the comment that points out one of their lies.

    21. Re: RIP Tesla. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Musk pays, Slashdot delivers.

    22. Re: RIP Tesla. by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      No, the data literally cannot be interpreted in the misleading and self-serving way that Tesla is passing around and that you, paid shills, repeat.

      The meaning of the test, as explained in the NHTSA debunking (https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/national-highway-traffic-safety-administration-issues-statement-about-new-car) is that Tesla and Musk are lying again, like that one other time that never-never-never happened, when Tesla claimed a non-existent "5.4" rating, and got told again.

      What we see here is just another element of the pattern of lies and exaggerations by Tesla and her CEO, Elon "pedo guy" Musk.

      Down-modding the facts repeatedly will not make them true, dear paid shills.

  17. no longer interesting by hdyoung · · Score: 1

    Fox News buys Tesla? I have no further interest in this story.

  18. Phhhbt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tear Elon Muskâ(TM)s head off and shit down his neck while simultaneously drowning him in a torrent of urea-rich, thiamine-enhanced, ultraconcentrated urine.

  19. Doesnt anyone realize how fucked-up this is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously! Get out of the box, and tell me it is not fucked-up, to deliberately and intentionally "interpret" a statement by a CEO to mean something that, no, might not harm anyone, and was in fact quite realistic, but yes, upsets the apparently feeble minds of those, whose sole intention was, remember, *to bet on the downfall of his company*!?! (Something, which *itself*, should be criminal!)

    Especially since the statement later turned out to be true! (I remember the news article.)

    How the hell is a "market" where the values are SO imaginary and bullshit that the mere *supposed* *perception* of a few evil nutjob participants can get them to swerve even legal??

    Remember: The worth of our salaries depends on these "markets"!

    Every single of those traders should be thrown into the worst South American prison possible!

    This society has become medically certified insane!

    1. Re:Doesnt anyone realize how fucked-up this is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And thats why ICBMs are on full standby.

  20. The SEC & stock markets are criminals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So this would be more like a kidnapping by the Mafia, if seen from outside of your apparently utterly amd completely FUBAR medically certified batshit insane society.

  21. NBN by Elitist_Phoenix · · Score: 2

    Great they'll ruin Tesla the way they ruined Australia's NBN

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  22. Well shit, the model3 is getting cancelled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A FOX executive in charge of Tesla!
    Shit, model3 is soo getting cancelled.

  23. History. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I'm not really Musk's fan. But I do acknowledge what he has to offer, and while being full of it and a downright capitalist guy (something I don't count as an asset), he does show what a fresh approach and being passionate about what one does can bring to the table.

    As an outsider to the car industry, succeeding at what GM, Chrisler, Daimler Benz, Nissan et al. failed is really impressive.

    Now Tesla is going to make the same mistake Apple made when they hired a sugared soda water executive. My advice?

    SELL! Sell as fast as you can. The SEC killed Tesla. It was nice while it lasted.

  24. Murdoch as CEO? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    That would imply that Tesla cars would not be an option for many any more.

  25. Depends on electricity mix by DrYak · · Score: 1

    EV use has nothing to do with climate change in either direction.

    The amount of extra CO2 we humans release into the environment is considered to have a significant impact on the climate, according to current scientific consensus.

    Usage(1) of EVs compared to ICE cars release less CO2 in the atmosphere.
    It ranges between "a bit less" up to "almost none released", depending on you local electricity energy source mix, except in a few countries (like India, China and Australia - if my memory of that study is right - where things are more or less equal)

    Even in those place, if you replace ICE cars with EVs, even if it doesn't change anything *right now*, it's eventually going to change things *instantaneously* once the country switches to greener electricity sources mix.
    Whereas if a new less-emitting ICE is invented, it will only show changes much later, as older vehicles are replaced with newer.

    Basically, an EV has the (indirect) emission of whatever happens to be the electricity source mix last night when it charged.
    Whereas an ICE car has the (direct) emission due to the efficiency of whatever ICE was built into it several years ago (+ indirect emissions linked to keep the distribution network).

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    (1): over the whole lifetime of a vehicle, the *usage* is what has proportionally the highest impact on the environment (as opposed to the manufacturing which is quite minuscule in comparison).

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  26. Very Not Good by Slicker · · Score: 1

    At best, he's a typical corp hopper.. exchanges long term interests for quick profits. At worse, this is somebody who's going to do the bidding of Tesla's competitors and ruin the company.

    The real question is -- how much damage can he do to Tesla Motors before Musk can return, in 3 years.. This seems similar to Steve Jobs being kicked out of Apple for a long time... then Apple revived when he returned, just before otherwise inevitable bankruptcy. The difference is that Musk still has a major role in the company.

    I don't like to be conspiratorial but the evidence for an anti-Tesla Motors conspiracy is pretty abundant. The bad reviews started coming out in earnest, just after reaching goals on time in terms of production.

  27. Anyone Else? by organgtool · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else get the feeling that if this news is true, it's Stephen Elop at Nokia all over again?

  28. Murdoch? by TJHook3r · · Score: 2

    That family has an incredibly poor record in the UK. I would venture to say that his corporate strategy is 'Be Evil'.