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The New and Improved MacBook Keyboards Have the Same Old Problems (theoutline.com)

Casey Johnston, writing for The Outline: Apple never actually caved to user complaints that its top-of-the-line computers developed sticky or dead keyboards very easily, despite having now been served with several keyboard-related class action lawsuits. In June, the company offered to repair computers with these keyboards for free for four years following the date of purchase (the cost of being without their computer notwithstanding). It claimed only a "small percentage" of users were affected. I was one of them, several times, and there were many, many others. Compared to this time last year, its computer sales are down ten percent, and not a few people have been holding off on purchasing any computer from its line in fear of getting stuck with a keyboard that doesn't work.

In July, Apple slightly redesigned the very low profile butterfly keyboard on its MacBooks and MacBook Pros, not because "a small percentage" of the previous version was rendered useless by a speck of dust, the company said, but to make it quieter; it even invited the tech press to try it out. iFixit teardowns of the hardware revealed that, in fact, Apple had added a silicone membrane under the keys that looks quite a bit like it's meant to keep dust and debris from lodging under the key and locking it up. Was that the idea? No, Apple unequivocally said. [...] But checking around online, it appears the new keyboards have the same old issues. They may be delayed, but they happen nonetheless. The MacRumors forum has a long thread about the the "gen 3 butterfly keyboard" where users have been sharing their experiences since Apple updated the design.

10 of 99 comments (clear)

  1. Just use the touch screen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the keyboard isn't working then just use the touch screen.

  2. Re:Cool, journalism for tech support by mycroft16 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, not everyone who uses a mac is a whiny millennial. The problem here is that rather than admit to having a problem with their keyboard design and fixing it, the added band-aid, and lied about why they added it and didn't fix the problem in any way. And this is on a high-end luxury product line no less. It isn't isn't a feeling of entitlement so much as promised value for money spent. "It just works" is the byline of Apple products and clearly, the just don't.

  3. Keyboards aren't the only problem by humptheElephant · · Score: 2, Informative

    Louis Rossmann at https://www.rossmanngroup.com/ is an unauthorized repairman for Macbooks and has some very interesting comments about them. He also has many youtube videos on the subject and anyone who if planning on buying a Macbook might want to visit his site for some very informative comments.

    1. Re:Keyboards aren't the only problem by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People who clean up dog shit for a living probably aren't dog lovers forever.

  4. You're typing wrong! by kimgkimg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Baffles me why people put up with these overpriced Apple issues.

    1. Re:You're typing wrong! by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And here lies a problem for Apple fans. They think that their fandom is opposed by a fandom for Samsung mobile devices.

      Which is wrong. People don't fanboy Samsung products. They just use them.

  5. Apple used to have really good keyboards. by msauve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The original Apple ][ used Alps keyswitches, which were even better than Cherry's at the time. And they were individually replaceable. Unfortunately, they're taller than most of today's laptops. Heck, just the movement on a good keyboard is a significant part of a laptop's thickness.

    Form over function rules these days, it seems.

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  6. Re:Cool, journalism for tech support by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    You know, not everyone who uses a mac is a whiny millennial.

    Indeed. I have a MacBook, and I am a whiny boomer.

    Several people in my office use MacBooks and ALL of them have problems with sticky keys, so it is not an uncommon problem. Sometimes turning it over and shaking the laptop while tapping the key will clear the problem, but sometimes the stuck key is permanent.

    The worst key on my laptop is the "w", so I just try to rephrase sentences to avoid w's, or I just use an external keyboard (as I am doing now).

    The week turnaround for the repair seems like it is intentional just to discourage people from doing it. It should take about 30 minutes, and could be done at the Genius Bar while you wait.

  7. Re:The Wonky Keyboard Will Be Fixed Eventually But by the_povinator · · Score: 2
    Personally I think it's likely a cultural issue at Apple; I think whoever was responsible for this keyboard screw-up is reluctant to admit it, and Tim Cook is not man enough to call them out. I've read reports that in the Jobs days, there were internal feedback forms at Apple where you could report a problem to the top and it would get fixed, but now it just results in retaliation.

    I suspect the same thing that happened to Microsoft is is now happening at Apple, i.e. corporate politics and not the customer experience or the product starts to drive everything. (I used to work at Microsoft).

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  8. Re:The Wonky Keyboard Will Be Fixed Eventually But by tsa · · Score: 2

    I have an early 2011 MBP. When that thing dies buying a new Apple MBP will be a big step backwards in usability and enjoyability. So I'm already paying more attention to Linux and laptops from other brands to get used to the fact that one day I will be forced to leave my beloved MacOS behind.

    The same holds for my iPhone and iMac BTW.

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