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Most Americans Can't Tell the Difference Between a Social Media Bot and A Human, Study Finds (theverge.com)

A new study from Pew Research Center found that most Americans can't tell social media bots from real humans, and most are convinced bots are bad. "Only 47 percent of Americans are somewhat confident they can identify social media bots from real humans," reports The Verge. "In contrast, most Americans surveyed in a study about fake news were confident they could identify false stories." From the report: The Pew study is an uncommon look at what the average person thinks about these automated accounts that plague social media platforms. After surveying over 4,500 adults in the U.S., Pew found that most people actually don't know much about bots. Two-thirds of Americans have at least heard of social media bots, but only 16 percent say they've heard a lot about them, while 34 percent say they've never heard of them at all. The knowledgeable tend to be younger, and men are more likely than women (by 22 percentage points) to say they've heard of bots. Since the survey results are self-reported, there's a chance people are overstating or understating their knowledge of bots. Of those who have heard of bots, 80 percent say the accounts are used for bad purposes.

Regardless of whether a person is a Republican or Democrat or young or old, most think that bots are bad. And the more that a person knows about social media bots, the less supportive they are of bots being used for various purposes, like activists drawing attention to topics or a political party using bots to promote candidates.

140 comments

  1. Begged question... by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...this assumes there IS a meaningful difference.

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    1. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what if it's both?

      I control a Twitter 'bot', it posts once daily, noting the successes of the #Resistance... and periodically I post manually with it.

      Is it still a bot? Is it still me? Does it matter?

      https://twitter.com/OhmYouAreHere

    2. Re:Begged question... by ole_timer · · Score: 0

      +5

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    3. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your the bot!

    4. Re:Begged question... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe people can't tell the difference because so many real people have been smeared as "Russian Bots" that it's even been used to delegitimize anyone who didn't like The Last Jedi. They can't tell the difference because there isn't one... not because humans and bots behave the same, but because the term is applied to humans so much to dilute it beyond worthlessness.

      Ironically the NPC meme provoked immediate outrage and accusations of literal fascism and genocide rhetoric.

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    5. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At what point, exactly, are we willing to admit that the Turing test has been passed, and AI is now a real thing?

    6. Re: Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never Shiltary. That useless cunt flap hag needs to be burned at the stake. She assured I will never vote Dummycrat again.

      Well, that and all the beta cuck male crybaby carrying on that the left has been doing for a couple years now.

    7. Re:Begged question... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Of course AI is a real thing. Every other story here wouldn't be about AI if it weren't a real thing.

    8. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, I can't tell whether or not the post I am responding to was created by a modern bot fueled by an AI parsing engine.

      It's strings of words used by left-wing trolls used for flamebait, connected together moderately well.

    9. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly nobody really looks to Nazi-enabling Reichtards for "honesty" anymore. That ship has sailed with a big "Mission Accomplished" banner slung across it.

    10. Re:Begged question... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Make a good movie with a good script and the fans would be happy. The movie would be getting great reviews and fans would be all over spreading the good news about the history and plot.
      Make a new political plot with no connection to past work under a much enjoyed series brand and the fans will talk about that online and in social media.
      Want movie to be good?
      Find the best people who understand the past work. Fans will then spread the good news for decades.

      Fans are not bots. Fans are looking for quality and creativity. When that is totally lacking they will review to reflect that script problem.

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    11. Re:Begged question... by gman003 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I disagree. The problem is not that people are being falsely accused of being bots for holding contrary opinions - the problem is that, on social media, everyone looks and talks like a bot.

      The format of most social media (Facebook and Twitter especially) pushes people towards bot-like behavior. The brevity pushes you to skip any supporting information, just blindly assert your position as correct. It tends to erode nuance - you don't say "evidence suggests that X probably causes Y", you just say "they proved X causes Y", if not just "X therefore Y". The rapid-fire structure of comment threads, and general lack of a good bio, makes it hard to look at someone's account and tell what they're really all about. And both tend to expose you to a massive wall of people who are shouting their opinions into the void, rather than any sort of community, especially when you choose to look at "trending" or "what's happening now".

      And, on top of that, there are so many obvious bots, that having to consider whether every single person you're talking to is a bot or not is rational. Every single Elon Musk tweet, for something like a year now, gets swarmed by bots pretending to be Elon giving away some cryptocurrency, if only you download this sketchy app - and this is after Twitter put special protections in place to prevent just anyone from setting their name to "Elon Musk". The people running social media clearly don't care about keeping bots-impersonating-humans out, so it falls on each user instead to worry about it. We're not given enough information to decide accurately, so it's just inevitable that some people end up falsely accused.

      And then, yes, there's the organized campaigns, of which the Russians are merely the most prolific. The "Internet Research Agency" (the one hit with Mueller indictments) didn't merely try to manipulate election news, they tried to stir up chaos. They'd organize two protests for opposing sides at the same place and time, hoping it would turn violent. They spread anti-vax stuff, just to erode trust in authorities. They've spread disaster hoaxes and fake hate crimes, just to get people to panic. And, as I mentioned, Russia isn't the only one. Remember the Chinese "50 Cent Party"? Or America's own "Operation: Earnest Voice"?

      As always, there's an XKCD for it. You don't even need bots, per se - just a decent budget and enough people who will work for cheap, and anyone can manufacture not just a consensus, but a culture. Shout enough into a crowd, and some of them will take root, and now you've got another person shouting alongside you. It's not like it's a new phenomenon - how often, back in the day, did you or I accuse someone of being a Microsoft shill, or astroturfing for some corporation or another? A lot of those may have been true, but I'm sure many of them were not.

      But what does it matter, whether someone is a machine or a human, when the opinion they shout is not their own? That is the real problem - social media has allowed too much pollution of the discourse. It's no longer about debate, building a logical case to support your position and poking flaws in your opponent's reasoning, but about who can state their position loudest and longest. It's about endurance, not smarts - forcing your opponents to waste so much time responding to a never-ending stream of lies and bullshit that they eventually give up.

      I don't know if there's a solution. I used to think Slashdot's system protected it, but after seeing a spree of explicitly anti-democratic posts here in the past few weeks, I'm starting to think it just delayed it by a few years. Perhaps something that gave users the information they need to more accurately spot the bots and troll farms, coupled with a strict moderation team to purge them when spotted and confirmed. Or maybe it's just inevitable that any sufficiently-large social network site has a collapse of trust, and the solution is to fracture into smaller communities. I still use a bunch of old web forums, and they don't seem to have fallen victim, yet.

    12. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this an example of the new NPC meme?

    13. Re:Begged question... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Most of the bots post text that was written by a human. Even if it has some kind of text generation capability, it's usually heavily pre-programmed with knowledge by a human.

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    14. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your attempts at pestering? A fair question. It shows zero actual human intellect, it could be bots.... Although I think even artificial intelligence has more of a life than you're displaying right now, Ivan.

    15. Re: Begged question... by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      I'm looking forward to the MST3K version of The Last Jedi, comrade. I'm not watching before then.

    16. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The results of the study show that among those who address The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson directly on Twitter to express their dissatisfaction, more than half are bots, trolls/sock puppets or political activists using the debate to propagate political messages supporting extreme right-wing causes and the discrimination of gender, race or sexuality. A number of these users appear to be Russian trolls." Ultimately, Bay determined 50.9 percent of people tweeting negatively about the movie to Johnson were "likely politically motivated or not even human."

      why do I get the feeling the guy who did this study is a lefty numale who's been spending the last two years tweeting about how Robert Mueller is going to bring the hammer down on Trump any day now?

    17. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what if it's both?

      I control a Twitter 'bot', it posts once daily, noting the successes of the #Resistance... and periodically I post manually with it.

      Is it still a bot? Is it still me? Does it matter?

      You are confusing yourself with an account.
      In your example sometimes you use the account and sometimes the bot. Trying to classify the account as a person or a bot is incorrect in both cases, the account is still an account.

      A more interesting and change I have notices in language that those young people use is that they have been started to call people for bots as an insult.
      For example in gaming; if a player is less competent than others he/she could be called a bot since historically bots haven't been all that good at making decisions.

      If we bring that back to your original example; if you as a human post a message that a bot network is programmed to promote it will just dumbly retweet it based on what words in contain.
      A lot of less competent people will do exactly the same and dumbly retweet it without thinking about the message.
      Those people are bots.

      So, a "Putinbots" isn't just mechanical automations that promotes polarizing messages. It also includes the people that behaves just like the dumb bots.

    18. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We agree, you're 1:1 with what you're talking about there. Thanks for demonstrating. Golf clap, bravo, QED, all of it. You really proved something about yourself there to yourself, we must conclude.

    19. Re:Begged question... by mentil · · Score: 1

      I hadn't heard of it, so for those interested, here's a decent writeup on the 'NPC meme'. I'm surprised the article didn't make the comparison to philosophical zombies, as it's a similar concept.

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    20. Re:Begged question... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      His the bot?

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    21. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://jacobitemag.com/2018/10/02/empty-realm/
      this article is better

    22. Re:Begged question... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's because so many people love to jump on bandwagons and repeat the same talking points with slight variations.

      Check Amazon reviews on popular products, most of them are very similar to each other and written by people who have obviously only had to the item for about 5 seconds, or not even bought it at all but just wanted to get in on the action.

      Go read the user reviews on IMDB for movies like Black Panther and The Last Jedi, for example, and a very large number of them are just repeating standard generic criticisms that have little to do with the actual movie.

      People have started to act more like bots. Maybe deliberately in some cases, maybe unconsciously in others, but they realized that they can just pile in with bot-like comments and affect simple average scores or vote their opinion to the top of the list.

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    23. Re:Begged question... by ath1901 · · Score: 1

      It is the reverse Turing test. If you can't tell a stupid machine from a human, then the human must be stupid.

    24. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. They are not 'content producing bots', they are 'posting bots'. That is one way of doing ads on social media - a posting bot costs less than buying ad space. And of course, the bot can 'like' anything you say, so one way of inflating the number of 'likes'. As if anyone cared about likes . . .

    25. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TL;DR. typical bot, swamps humans with long texts.

    26. Re: Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since all leftist NPCs do is call people racists and fascists essentially for existing, it's not difficult to make a hard to distinguish bot. So this is totally understandable.

    27. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why do I get the feeling the guy who did this study is a lefty numale who's been spending the last two years tweeting about how Robert Mueller is going to bring the hammer down on Trump any day now?

      I suspect it's because you're projecting. It's quite common among paranoid loonies.

    28. Re:Begged question... by arth1 · · Score: 2

      A more interesting and change I have notices in language that those young people use is that they have been started to call people for bots as an insult.

      People did that on IRC back in the mid 90s.
      Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

    29. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try bot. The Last Jedi fucking sucked.

    30. Re:Begged question... by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      The format of most social media (Facebook and Twitter especially) pushes people towards bot-like behavior.

      Disqus, in particular, does this. My comments often get flagged as spam because they are long, comprehensive thoughts. Apparently their system thinks that's probably spam. Spam in dense paragraphs, with correct grammar and spelling most of the time, using fairly high-level vocabulary, without exterior links, or if there are some, to places that are common sites to look up factual information.

      When website designers write algorithms that push people away from real discussion, it absolutely devolves into slapdash comments and assertions, which bots are great at.

      But that's the point, right?

      The more clicks, the more views, the more ads that get views, the more revenue you get. Someone spending 15 minutes reading a comment and writing a response generates one ad view. Someone spending 10 seconds reading a post and 10 seconds replying over those 15 minutes hits two orders of magnitude more ads.

      And if it's a bot, it's a bot. They're driving views and responses too, and that's the point.

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    31. Re:Begged question... by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      It's because so many people love to jump on bandwagons and repeat the same talking points.....People have started to act more like bots. Maybe deliberately in some cases, maybe unconsciously in others.....

      The internet is magical because it allows the village idiot a microphone the same size as the smartest people in the village. And often the smart folks realize that there's no reason to get into a braying match with an ass.

      That means you have a whole lot of people who aren't smart enough to contribute meaningfully, but who want to gain some of those sweet, sweet internet points. How do they do that? They make up for the lack of content with volume. How do they get that volume with a deficit in knowledge and skill? They echo what's already there. And what's there is often the contribution of fellow idiots.

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    32. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eggdrop or EnergyMech, thats the real test.

    33. Re: Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect you're the one projecting. The Far Left has been losing a lot lately and are desperate for any excuse (or win) they can get. And I say that as a 'Never Trump' Moderate.

    34. Re:Begged question... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      I enjoyed your post very much and I'd like to add an element that extends your argument:

      In brief: Social media's business model (indeed, the entire Internet's) is to make money in three ways:

      - Advertisements
      - Data prostitution
      - Subscriptions

      The product is "eyeballs," just as it always has been with newspapers (Enquirer), Radio (Howard Stern), TV (Jerry Springer).

      The customer is advertisers, even with subscriber-subsidized content, like newspapers, magazines, and TV.

      So the task is pretty simple: Gather eyeballs.

      The business doesn't give a flying fuck how that's done, or who does it, as long as the money pours in.

      Content providers who act as lightning rods can be Bob or bots.

      A revenue stream impediment can be something like Alex Jones, or bullying, or revenge porn, etc. When that happens, social media takes note and works to remove the friction.

      Even that action is biased toward gathering more eyeballs.

      In summary, capitalism has ruined the Internet and there's no way in hell to stop it.

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    35. Re:Begged question... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the early days when the like of Compuserve and Prodigy were joined by noobie AOL users.

      Hell, every person wants to see their comment on the brand new Internet!

      AOL was the first, "me, too" generation.

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    36. Re:Begged question... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'm the post if there was an idiot on the radio or TV there would usually be someone sensible to contrast with them. Thus their idiocy was apparent.

      On the internet that often doesn't happen. Systems designed to make it happen are often easily gamed. Facebook tried to force it by putting Snopes links next to fake news, so the fake news peddlers starting attacking Snopes for being fake/biased.

      I don't know how to solve it.

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    37. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can confirm. I run some Twitter bots that disseminate fake news among Trump followers. One bot share typically leads to a few million "human bot" shares. The human bots are an integral part of making tons of money on fake news.

    38. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more ironically, the NPC meme has literally only been shared by the most NPC of people.

    39. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much, MUCH better. Describes the phenomenon extremely accurately. Mod parent up!

    40. Re:Begged question... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      >The more clicks, the more views, the more ads that get views, the more revenue you get. Someone spending 15 minutes reading a comment and writing a response generates one ad view. Someone spending 10 seconds reading a post and 10 seconds replying over those 15 minutes hits two orders of magnitude more ads.

      Do you feel like your attention span has been impacted by this too? I used to find it rather effortless to spend time having long-form discussion on websites like /. but in recent years it feels like somehow that skill has eroded and I find myself looking for transcripts rather than watching videos and skipping through lots of long articles.

      Then again maybe it's just quality of content that's the issue. I feel like almost every article I read these days has entire paragraphs of substanceless repetition of the same two or three sentences.

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    41. Re:Begged question... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

      Kotaku is pathological incapable of an honest or decent writeup of anything. They're a living example of some of the most dishonest, unethical, and misleading agitprop on the internet today. They're right up there with infowars, dailykos, and AJ+.

      And like I called in my original post they immediately went straight to raising hue and cry over dehumanization and fascism when that's exactly what they themselves have been doing for years dehumanizing everyone that disagrees with them and spouting pro-violence propaganda.

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    42. Re:Begged question... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      If I hadn't seen a string of articles from the usual suspects (polytaku et al) pushing the same narrative you are here that one might have actually superficially appeared reasonable until the last line where you let your slip show. All you're doing though is parroting the latest addition to the party line, that allowing mere peasants to have a voice and post reviews is wrong and bad and only our glorious social justice leaders should be allowed to decide what is or isn't good for us.

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    43. Re:Begged question... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      >Facebook tried to force it by putting Snopes links next to fake news, so the fake news peddlers starting attacking Snopes for being fake/biased.

      And what else would you call it when they allow their partisan prejudice to affect their judgements to such an obscene degree that they will watch a live video proving something happened and say it's "false" or "inconclusive" because of some obscene batshit moon logic twisted interpretation of the precise wording of the claim made.

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    44. Re:Begged question... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'd call it fake news. I'm not dumb, I know the reason you have been non-specific and not provided any links or search terms is because it's bullshit.

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    45. Re:Begged question... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Your obsession with the imaginary spectre of social justice both clouds your thinking and undermines your arguments.

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    46. Re:Begged question... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      Yes because Blaire White doesn't exist, isn't a real person, and wasn't attacked repeatedly in a single night just for wearing a MAGA hat.

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    47. Re:Begged question... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Okay, you are talking about this article on Snopes. It rates the claim made by White on Twitter that she was attacked merely for wearing a MAGA hat in Hollywood as "mixture".

      That seems entirely reasonable. It's true that she did get into an altercation, but only after going to an anti-Trump rally and, with her boyfriend, crossing an LAPD line meant to keep opposing sides apart to prevent violence.

      Clearly the way she frames it as having been attacked merely for wearing a MAGA hat in Hollywood is omitting key details. The other claim about having alcohol thrown over her is impossible to verify, and given the provocation and deception used in the first part of the video it's impossible to make any determination.

      So once again we have unfounded claims of bias and an outright misrepresentation of Snopes' position. Maybe you simply misspoke when you said "false or inconclusive".

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    48. Re:Begged question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That seems entirely reasonable. It's true that she did get into an altercation, but only after going to an anti-Trump rally and, with her boyfriend, crossing an LAPD line meant to keep opposing sides apart to prevent violence.

      Doesn't seem reasonable to me. All that stuff about crossing the LAPD line was taken at the word of one male police officer, with no evidence to back it up. There is no police report or charges laid after all.

      It's "he said she said", with one being a cop on top. Imagine if this was a case where the victim was black (guy), would we so blindingly trust the cop's word?

      And even if she did cross the line, so what? Crossing the police line is not initiating or inciting an altercation. It doesn't have to be Blaire White, but somebody may honestly really didn't know about the protest and crossed the line by accident. the mere act of crossing the line is not incitement. It doesn't give the anti-Trumpsters a right to go violent.

      Incitement takes more than just crossing a physical line. Did she make speech that might incite violence? Did she physically use her limbs or a weapon to initiated violence? Even the cop didn't say she did (but again, Snopes didn't provide any evidence to back up what that cop said, other than his word).

      Snopes is making her act of walking past the line some kind of provocation, but it lacks any details on how it was so. It's all innuendo and insinuation - a type of bias.

      Put it another way: Snopes (and AmiMojo, by extension) is not listening and believing the woman victim while giving the unfounded claims of a male cop (the same police that are often accused of unfair treatment of certain of people) equal screen time.

      What Snopes did there is not unlike like Fox news inviting speakers advocating something, but they also bring in somebody on the other side, in the name of "fair and balanced".

      I say that's pretty damning evidence of bias on Snope's part.

      So once again we have unfounded claims of bias and an outright misrepresentation of Snopes' position

      Once again we have AmiMojo trying to white wash the bias on Snope's part.

      And once again AmiMojo posts a link he thinks proves his case, when in fact it does the opposite (reminds me of all the times he catches Mashiki doing that)

    49. Re:Begged question... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      And thanks for that live demonstration of both the phenomenal hypocrisy of the social justice movement as well as absurd dishonest moon logic I was just talking about. The only provocation is wearing a MAGA hat around the alt-left. The only deception is snopes attempting to lie and claim that someone who was attacked was actually the perpetrator because reasons. It's remarkable that no amount of evidence is enough to defend a police officer when BLM decides to throw their weight behind a violent criminal, but when that police officer is saying something politically convenient to you no amount of evidence is enough to defend a victim of left wing violence.

      There's nothing unfounded, and the noly misrepresentation here is your outright misrepresentation of the raw video recorded facts.

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  2. The reason I can't tell the difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't tell the difference because I don't use social media.

    (I've even black-holed Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, etc so I don't accidentally load their pages.)

  3. Heh heh heh by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    stoopid hoomans!

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  4. Bad Headline (According the Summary) by careysub · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was an opinion poll about whether people were confident they could identify social bots. No study was done to see if they really could or not.

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    1. Re:Bad Headline (According the Summary) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...most Americans surveyed in a study about fake news were confident they could identify false stories"

      Maybe this story was unidentified fake news.

  5. nobody can all the time by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2

    When it comes to the simplest statements, there just isn't enough content to tell whether it is a person or a bot. Many people pick up what bots say and amplify them and vice versa.

    But, bots aren't just spreading simple messages. The better ones are spreading messages handcrafted for effect by people. The lobbyist, or whatever we want to call the person using the bot to manipulate, writes the initial messages. They aren't from a bot. Then bots are used to amplify the message as well as tie it in by linking both to it and to parties that the message will likely resonate with. The better bots may also search out similar messages and amplify them as well as use AI to paraphrase the message in new ways and spread it in different forms.

    It is all under human control though and getting more and more difficult to recognize.

    1. Re:nobody can all the time by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The way to detect bots is to look for bot-like behaviour, such as posting the same material as other bots, only every liking/reposting material from a small number of people, having fake profiles with stock images, the fact that they only ever post during Moscow office hours etc.

      All of those things are relatively easy to fix, but the bot herders don't bother because they don't have to.

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    2. Re:nobody can all the time by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Don't want to. More content == more views, more views == more revenue. Doesn't matter if it's made by a bot or viewed by a bot. As long as it's driving clicks and eyeballs, it's worth money.

      Internet outrage is the current way we fuel the internet.

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    3. Re:nobody can all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would a bot be restricted to Moscow office hours? That sounds more like a person :)

  6. NPCs? by LarryRiedel · · Score: 1

    Maybe they're simply acknowledging that the NPC humans on social media provide no more intellectual content than a software bot. Kind of like the bogus clickbait headlines on Slashdot.

  7. I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by mark-t · · Score: 2

    It formed random "sentences" based on markov chains 3 words deep constructed from a word appearance database collected over about 4 months of irc logs that I had personally collected. Each "sentence" it created was based on a single word that was randomly selected from the channel chatter since the last comment, and it made one comment every two minutes. It was nothing more sinister than that.

    Much of what it said seemed nonsequitor, and I think it was widely assumed to be trolling, although I had not coded it specifically to do so.

    There wasn't a single channel that took it to where it was not banned. In retrospect, it was an interesting social experiment, although I hadn't intended it to be such.

    1. Re:I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I remember you. You were on EFNET on the #c channel.

    2. Re:I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Indeed I was.... it's nice to be remembered.

    3. Re:I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I remember it getting banned a lot by bjarne. Legendary.

    4. Re:I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bot is posting on /.

      Mostly 'Trump will die in prison' shitposts.

    5. Re:I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just some autistic jew.

    6. Re:I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #OpenTTD once had a chatbot around 2006-2008 (not for long, but around that time). It learned by observing the channel and then mimic what people said. It started out ok, but it ended like whenever somebody said anything, it would say stuff like "I still think you are a bot" because apparently some visitor had had a lengthy conversation with the bot and wrote sentences like that over and over, like he wasn't sure, but kept on claiming it hoping to get the bot to admit it or something. Either that or somebody knew what he was doing and trolled the bot big time. Either way the bot was turned off after that because it was a test to tell if people would notice it was a bot and it didn't really work when it screamed bot in every second line it wrote.

    7. Re:I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you are the one responsible for most of the posts on bash.org ;)

    8. Re:I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by mark-t · · Score: 1

      No... I don't think any of my bot's comments ever made there, to be honest.

    9. Re:I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      I've been in a channel where there were multiple bots, but they would only speak when spoken to. This was a reasonably acceptable compromise, as people who thought it was funny to troll the bots got themselves kicked, not the bots. Of course, once we realized they were all using slightly different implementations of Markov chains, we started repeating certain phrases that included a word that simply didn't see much use in our channel. That way, when someone did use such a word when querying the bot, they got something resembling our canned answer because it's all the bot had to work with.

      --
      How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
    10. Re:I launched my own bot once on irc in the 1990's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and it made one comment every two minutes.

      There wasn't a single channel that took it to where it was not banned.

      If there was a bot on my IRC channel spewing a line every two minutes, I'd probably ban them too.

      I'd personally set the trigger to something like, let's say, 'activate if nobody has spoken for half an hour'. Keeps the channel sort of alive in the wee hours of the morning.

      (I coded my markov to have the ability to do monologues -- i.e. its chains (and thus outputted text) spanned multiple lines. It had a few bugs that I wasn't able to iron out but otherwise it felt much more natural than a standard megahal-type bot.)

  8. Meh by sexconker · · Score: 0

    Most Americans on "social media" are NPCs anyway.

    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're below the average consistency of messaging expected from even a bot. You're a troll of no value or consequence online or off.

    2. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, they really upped the aggro in the latest patch.

    3. Re:Meh by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      To me, everyone else is an npc.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
  9. Live or Memorex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When yuor mom humps me now,
    she takes away the biggest part of my testicles...
    WOOWEEOOH!

  10. Classic fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone needed a story, so they went to the longtime source of bullshit, Pew, and wrote this crap article about nothing, that doesn't mean anything or matter at all. The verge published it, so of course slashdot posted it.

    Wait, why am I even bothering to point this out. I'm contributing to this idiocy.

  11. most americans by ole_timer · · Score: 0

    read at the 6th grade level so it's not surprising

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    nothing to see here - move along
    1. Re:Most Americans by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's not that bad. 94% of Americans can at least find the US ... on a map of North America, that is...

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  12. One dead giveaway... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    .... Is when they fill out a shell Twatter account about how they're a "real American who supports President Trump" but they accidently leave the geolocation visible and it says "St. Petersburg."

    Can't we just turn off as many PHY transceivers whose other end is in Russia as possible, and blackhole all Russian IP traffic at the border? The only things Putin's Russia has for export are authoritarian misery, organized crime and drugs. Why should the west give that a platform to attack us?

    1. Re:One dead giveaway... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only things Putin's Russia has for export are authoritarian misery, organized crime and drugs.

      don't forget drop-dead gorgeous whores

    2. Re:One dead giveaway... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So true. I wonder if the fact that the typical Russian woman is not very pictoresque (trying to be nice) and yet they seem to find plenty of drop-dead gorgeous whores to export is related. Perhaps they have been doing it for a long time and are suffering the effects of continually removing the drop-dead gorgeous whores from the breeding pool.

  13. Even very early "AI" did this; nothing new by Flexagon · · Score: 1

    This goes back to at least Eliza program, which drew in a surprising number of folks, and was hardly AI.

    1. Re: Even very early "AI" did this; nothing new by jd · · Score: 1

      There have been several books describing the effect of Eliza. Most saying people could not distinguish it from a person, feeling it was alive, etc.

      --
      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  14. APK by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    So APK is a bot? Or it's a fake news spreader?

  15. A bot is told to post by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    by a human and the picture linked is on topic and politically funny?
    Can a bot be more on topic and useful than the human responding in all caps that it makes fun of their side of politics?
    That the animated meme of a frail politician provided fun and joy to millions.

    A human made the art.
    The human who found the image, artwork, animation is still doing the creative work.
    The bot just allows a person to use their time in a better way. To find more art and share powerful political memes. The bot doing the broadcasting.
    The political party provided the candidate. The human with skills created the political art that reflects the comedy of such a selection.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re: A bot is told to post by jd · · Score: 1

      SNR is still zero, regardless of how on-topic, and SNR is the only thing that matters.

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      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    2. Re: A bot is told to post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SNR is still zero, regardless of how on-topic, and SNR is the only thing that matters.

      SNR? Saturday Night Rive, the American-Chinese language version of the famous comedy sketch show?

  16. Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wonder how much the survey got skewed by bots awnsering the questions?

  17. Backwards by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Most Americans can't tell the difference between people on social media and bots

    --
    love is just extroverted narcissism
    1. Re:Backwards by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      To be fair, there isn't much of a distinction.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  18. Simple, really ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people in North America seem to have devolved into practically being chatbots themselves, and text memes to one another across the table.

    You don't need a high level of language sophistication to fool someone who can't write complete sentences or hold a pen.

    I am in no way surprised by this, this isn't a reflection on chatbots, it's a reflection on the average North American (and I say this as someone who lives here).

    Smart Phones made people incredibly fucking dumb and rude.

  19. Putin will be Trump's legacy, not Star Wars SJW's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You didn't respond to the point there, that Russia USED the pro/anti SJW content of the movie (not discussing the merits of the movie, it sucked) TO DIVIDE PEOPLE IN AMERICA, INTENTIONALLY. This is Trump's constituency.

    Putin will be Trump's legacy, 45 is forever stained by treason. Only indignant ignorant conservative LIARS are unable to accept the fact that Trump is only president because Vladimir Putin conspired with him illegally. The morons who voted for him don't have to like that fact, they should be outraged! But denying it happened just takes you morons a step further - treason. Willfully undermining the US for politics is treason. Trump is a traitor. Decide what you are soon, because we're going to drain the swamp in 5-6 weeks or so. Mueller bats last.

  20. Re:Putin will be Trump's legacy, not Star Wars SJW by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Again AC fans do have the freedom of speech to review a movie in any way they want.
    They have the freedom to point out political content.
    A poor quality script.
    A script that fails to connect with past books and movies in any way.
    Comical acting and events that don't flow with the rest of the years of content.
    Why should bad quality political movies that fans do not like get good reviews?
    Thats what freedom of the press is all about. Not having big gov demand movie reviews stay positive for one side of domestic politics.

    With social media and online reviews people don't have to trust a few national newspaper and TV review shows like they did in past decades.
    Lots of fans can publish their own thoughts online about a movie they saw and present their own views on the script, political content and acting.

    Want to make a new political movie using a brand a lot of people enjoy, the reviewers will notice and have the freedom to comment on that.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  21. It's simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bot isn't a complete asshole.

  22. It's about BOT CAMPAIGN, not the MOVIE, moron! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Fans" don't usually include Kremlin controlled chatbot campaigns. Well, maybe in your circles, Trump traitor... are you fucking dumb or what, lol. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MOVIE, IT'S ABOUT THE BOT CAMPAIGN.

    If fans don't like the movie WHO GIVES A FUCK? That's not a national security issue. DON'T SEE IT. GASP. NOBODY CARES FAGGOTS.

    When Russia weaponizes chatbots to try to MAKE it a national security issue, how could you defend that? Are you a traitor?

    Straighten up morons. You keep eating out of Putin's asshole like Trump, you're going to get the bear trap. Fox News has made you fools weak and whiny as fuck.

    1. Re:It's about BOT CAMPAIGN, not the MOVIE, moron! by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC nations that have the freedom to publish do not want to their governments to remove movie reviews.
      People do have the right to talk about bad quality politically motivated movies in any way they want.

      Should only positive pre approved pro studio, studio approved reviews be allowed on social media AC?
      Should anyone who takes the time to write a well thought out negative review about the domestic political content of a movie get their account removed?
      Would linking to a negative review get a social media account removed AC?

      Social media would then only have happy gov and studio approved review and reviewers accounts?
      People would tend to notice that every bad movie they saw had a really good studio approved review.

      The fix for all this is to make really great movies people enjoy and allow reviews to tell people a movie is worth going to see.
      The fans who are very happy about new content then become a movies very enthusiastic supporters. Free marketing, how good is that AC.

      Removing accounts on social media for movie reviews will not help a bad political movie recover from a low quality script.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:It's about BOT CAMPAIGN, not the MOVIE, moron! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "People do have the right to talk about bad quality politically motivated movies in any way they want." - Consistently you are a moron missing the point.

      You do not have the "right" to expect to be granted unfettered speech "anywhere and everywhere" on the internet. That's unrealistic and stupid to suggest on that basis.

      We weren't even talking about that, because it's a non issue. You want to pretend the Russian bot campaigns are a LESSER issue than your Star Wars butt hurt fandom? IDIOT lol.

      We're done here, dithering traitor.

    3. Re:It's about BOT CAMPAIGN, not the MOVIE, moron! by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC Re "You do not have the "right" to expect to be granted unfettered speech "anywhere and everywhere" on the internet. That's unrealistic and stupid to suggest on that basis."

      Who has the ability to stop that freedom of speech and then ban user created content?
      An actor who does not like their ability to act getting comment on?
      The studio who only wants the most positive reviews to remain online?
      One government offical invoking a new fairness doctrine?
      A politically motivated person with a brands approval to remove content?
      A group of politically motivated people who once worked for a gov/mil and who now want to shape the online reviews of movies?
      A gov approved group of artists who will approve or ban a users content due to political content?
      Let people create and publish their own thoughts on a movie. Let internet users find the reviews they think are useful. No political censorship is needed.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    4. Re:It's about BOT CAMPAIGN, not the MOVIE, moron! by VanessaE · · Score: 1

      Who has the ability? How about the person or people in charge of the private website on which said review is posted/shared?

      Don't want your noise (and yes, a lot of so-called "free speech", whether it's a review, or something else, is nothing but valueless noise) taken down or censored? Post it on your own website.

      You do not have the right to demand someone else aid you in circulating your commentary.

    5. Re:It's about BOT CAMPAIGN, not the MOVIE, moron! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AHuxley: 0
      Anonymous Coward: 1

      Anonymous Coward takes the win! AHuxley needs to graduate 5th grade debate class, as his inability to stay on-topic is what lead to the merciless slaughtering of his argument.

  23. Well by Carrot007 · · Score: 1

    It's obvious.

    The bots reply ;-)

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    +----------------- | What is the question!
  24. Turing Test Might Need Revision by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 1

    Does the Turing Test count if people change?

    1. Re:Turing Test Might Need Revision by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      The Turing test is for two-sided conversation: "Are there imaginable digital computers which would do well in the imitation game?"

      What is described in TFS is one-sided which is a different matter.

  25. Solution by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

    Stay off of social media and the problem mentioned in the headline is irrelevant.

    Maybe the bots will get into and / or instigate arguments between themselves.

    . . . if a bot makes a statement, and no one is there to read it, would anyone care ?

    1. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Stay off of social media", suggested a post on social media.

  26. Conclusion by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    People need to be certified before using a computer, because this has gotten more dangerous than driving cars. And luckily there is no digital equivalent of the 2nd amendment, so better to nip this one in the bud right now.

    --
    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    1. Re:Conclusion by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Yall thought the Eternal September was bad - now we get the Eternal November.

  27. Re: Chicks can't hold the smoke by jd · · Score: 1

    So what you're saying is that an entire group of people is bad because one person said something you think you disagree with but don't quite understand because you're not too sure about academic lingo.

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    It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  28. Says more about the humans on social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Than it does about the 'bots.

  29. Humans can't tell Americans from Social Media Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    either. I mean, look at their TV programming. It's just buzzphrases for mindless respewing.

    This is tackling the Turing test from a different angle. If you cannot bring up performance of computers, bring down performance of humans.

  30. Most Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on! Most americans also can't find Australia on the globe

  31. Ultimate proof by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

    Off course the ultimate proof is that they elected one as president.

    --
    Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
  32. Human Turing test by drewlake2000 · · Score: 1

    I predicted years ago that humans would fail the Turing test before AI passes it. Most on-line posting is of such a low quality I'd hope it's mostly bots. Otherwise I fear for humanities future.

    1. Re:Human Turing test by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe if we put more emphasis on humanities we could counter this, but then again, who'd want to educate the idiots?

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  33. I Guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean even "legitimate" news organizations use bots too. I use legit in a loose sense of the word. I just don't get the double standard in the media and on social networking. All the major network news orgs can have bots, spread misleading and in some cases total horse shit propaganda and they don't even get a slap on the wrist. Meanwhile freelance journalists and the independent media get one detail wrong, they get banned all over the internet as political spam.

    This is the kind of crony capitalist bullshit that needs to stop. The monopolies must stop. This kind of shit is fully supported by neo-cons, liberals, the left, secretly by nearly all republicans, social democrats, progressives, and anyone else that is in the establishment. They are squeezing out all independents and they are squeezing out third party candidates.

    This is how we have Google, Bezos, Fuckerburg, Apple, Microsoft, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Green. Squeeze out competition, silence dissenting citizens through ridicule, ban opposition, and now we live in a Banana Republic.

  34. Most Americans are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they won't tell you on the news in America, but the average IQ over there is slowly shifting below 100 points in measurements, which has for long been a sort of base line in the West. They reason it's because of failing education, and a culture that frowns on knowledge and hard work while glorifying violence and celebrity gossip.

    1. Re:Most Americans are stupid by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What do you expect from a society that celebrates ignorant fools? If you have more people listen to the random ramblings of some idiot with no detectable education (aka "celebrity") than people who do know what they're talking about because they spent time learning and studying the subject, you shouldn't expect people to make educated decisions.

      And you also shouldn't expect people to pursue knowledge and reason when you have a culture that celebrates ignorance and vanity. Even the term "celebrity" isn't what it used to be, in the old days, we had celebrities that could do something exceptionally well. Even if it was "only" dancing, singing, playing some kind of sport. Today's celebrities ... it seems the term now means "being too stupid and lazy for anything, but still being rich for some odd reason".

      And that's the main problem here. These "celebrities" show off that you can be dumb as a doorknob and still be rich. And since being rich is also the only thing that counts in our society, what these people teach us is that it's ok to have the IQ of a potatoe. You can still be "important".

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:Most Americans are stupid by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      the IQ of a potatoe

      Sometimes it just writes itself.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    3. Re:Most Americans are stupid by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ok. Kartoffel. Besser jetzt?

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  35. That's news? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Most Americans can't tell an obviously bogus bullshit story from reality either, that's why fake news are such a problem.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  36. NPCs can't tell others are NPCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is unsurprising.

  37. Me too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't tell Americans from bots.

    1. Re: Me too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't tell American millennials apart from bots, that's for sure.

  38. What was their sample size? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And who did they talk to? I very highly doubt that any of this represents anything resembling 'most' people. Sounds more like marketing bullshit to me, a 'difference' that is also pretty painfully obvious.

  39. Weird headline ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Weird headline ... as though most Elbonians, on the other hand, would spot the bot in a New York minute, lol

    Anyway, social media is such an artificial environment that the whole thing is silly. It's like saying that nobody can spot Robbie the Robot - as long as we're all required to wear flex hose on our arms and giant fishbowls on our heads.

  40. Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To simply accept sensationalist news that is debatable in it's accuracy of truth is not intelligent enough to warrant artificial intelligence. Most voters are bio drones with hyped up emotions and misplaced anger.

  41. I'm real (more than you FAKENAME) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm real (more than you FAKENAME) & "FAKENEWS"? Funny NONE OF YOU MET THIS CHALLENGE https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

    * That was CLASSIC...

    APK

    P.S.=> PRICELESS & HILARIOUS in fact... apk

    1. Re: I'm real (more than you FAKENAME) by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      I'm a bot * a bot IS REAL too, insensitive APK followers!

    2. Re: I'm real (more than you FAKENAME) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why you don't you login to post? Fear of what?

  42. Can't be MYSELF = why... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't be MYSELF = why: A guy named Andrew K has "APK" so no point in being a FAKENAME in my opinion. I'd rather be me.

    APK

    P.S.=> That & the FACT trolls around here who downmodbomb me ADMITTEDLY (who have accounts here but HIDE from me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts STALKING ME) https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... like "ZIP" there would have an EASIER JOB of doing so downmodbombing my posts for no good reason as ZIP admits doing (they've threatened this IF I got an account) IF I kept a "registered 'luser'" account here - I don't make my enemies' job easier... apk

  43. HOW... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...can that be possible? I can tell the difference when I received the reply to my second question. Weird.

  44. brings back memories by renegade600 · · Score: 1

    not surprising, back in the 90's I ran a bbs and had a small program called lisa installed. it acted like a real person. I would sit there and watch conversations people would have with it. One time a preacher was on my board and was talking to lisa, then he started witnessing to it. I had to break the connection since I knew lisa was not real and was embarrassed for the preacher.

    if people were fooled back then, it would not be hard to imagine them being fooled today.

  45. this idiot doesn't even know what social media is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /. is social media