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Google's CEO Says Tests of Censored Chinese Search Engine Have Been Very Promising (theverge.com)
At Wired's 25th anniversary summit, Google CEO Sundar Pichai said the company's internal tests developing a censored search engine in China have been very promising. Pichai is strengthening his commitment on the controversial search engine, codenamed Project Dragonfly, saying the potential to expose the world to more information is guiding Google's push into China. "We are compelled by our mission [to] provide information to everyone, and [China is] 20 percent of the world's population." Wired reports: Pichai was careful to emphasize that this was a decision that weighs heavy on the company. "People don't understand fully, but you're always balancing a set of values," in every new country, he said. Those values include providing access to information, freedom of expression, and user privacy. "But we also follow the rule of law in every country," he said. This is a reversal of a decision from about eight years, when Google pulled its search engine, which was also censored, from the Chinese market. Pichai said the time had come to reevaluate that choice. "It's a wonderful, innovative market. We wanted to learn what it would look like if we were in China, so that's what we built internally," Pichai said. "Given how important the market is and how many users there are," he added, "we feel obliged to think hard about this problem and take a longer-term view." In response to the company's decision to back out of a project with the Department of Defense, nicknamed Project Maven, to build AI and facial recognition technology, and the employee concerns surrounding it, Pichai said: "Throughout Google's history, we've given our employees a lot of voice and say. But we don't run the company by holding referendums. It's an important input. We take it seriously." On the issue of Maven, however, "it's more also the debate within the AI Community around how you perceive our work in the area."
They didn't back out. They gave up trying to tell chinese people apart }:-)
After all, they can't let those pesky voters see just anything now, can they. They might not vote for the Dems.
You thought the censored version was just for China?
Sorry BING-bound TRUMP TRAITORS
In the west, Google can only gather (and monetize) user data so much, before there starts to be public outcry, pushback, and Congressional hearings about them invading privacy to an unacceptable degree.
In China, Google can gather user data as much as it wants, and gathering more leads to ambivalence from the public (because they're used to it) and praise from the local government. They get to play out their dream of having every search be tied to a person; and of course every site that includes code from google analytics, doubleclick etc. is tied to that, so they'll know many sites that each person goes to (all, if they use Chrome or Android).
The proven most-effective pieces of personal data to harvest will be back-ported to Google's services around the rest of the world.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
And you claim to be a tolerant liberal
Europe's breakfast.
"People don't understand fully" indeed, but maybe they aren't the people you think...
Google sucks at finding most things anyway. The Chinese probably wont even notice.
I can't read this page in Beijing!
Deplatform Google. Hit them in the wallet, it's all they understand.
immoral is as immoral does
So, the system they're NOT developing and not going to use to help one of the most evil governments on Earth oppress people is moving further along throught the development process and the testing is looking good? (or is that "bad" since it's intended for extreme evil?)
Note to Google: 70+ years after WWII, IBM is still thought of by many as evil because they knowingly helped the NAZI regime procees the paperwork in their oppression program. Rolling the dice on China ia a HUGE gamble. If China ends up as the planet's big global superpower, you will brielfy be a rich part of tha machine (until they absorb you or replace you with a domestic alternative using tech reversed from your stuff). If on the other hand, China eventually fails as all such oppressive dictatorial governments do, you will become a global paraiah and your emplyees will be viewed like former Klansmen or NAZI collaborators.
So he's a traitor working for the Chinese against the U.S. government and people.
We are compelled by our mission [to] provide information to everyone, and [China is] 20 percent of the world's population.
It is more likely to believe Google's mission is to collect information from everyone and turn it into profit. And the potential profit from collecting data in this huge market is simply too much for any CEO to resist.
I can't even read regular Chinese!
"we would not sell technology to the nazis would we? but before anyone else does, we wil sell to the nazis ..." also "we feel obliged to think hard about this problem and take a longer-term view" pretty much means "fuck you we will do it and we dont care about your concerns". this machine kills .. it will collect data and will get you killed.
Kanye has dared to leave the Democrat's thought plantation, where failed 19th century redisitributionist economics are force-fed to infants to create social "justice" (AKA racist quotas) crybullies.
You can, too.
Think for yourself.
I think it's telling that Google has abandoned their famous "Don't Be Evil" maxim, only to follow up very quickly with the Dragonfly 'search engine'. At this juncture, it has become clear that what was once a high-minded, moralistic approach to technology has given way to the same ol' bogeyman that every supercorporation bows down and worships: the almighty dollar. I would make a comparison to Vichy France, but to the best of my knowledge, China holds no substantive leverage over Google aside from an additional 1.3 billion individuals to exploit for wicked profit.
I've abandoned Google in its entirety; I don't even use it's (admittedly competent and comfortable) search engine anymore. Would that many more people do the same...
When did Google turn into such an evil entity?
Liberals make an effort to understand culture. Conservatives fear any cultural other than their own.
I'm amazed that Google wants to play this dangerous game. Who will benefit most is yet to be seen (sure as fuck won't be the plebs worldwide).
China will eventually access and copy every bit of Google's data when they place on-site servers with the proper credentials to access anything stateside. This may really be a trap for China to suck away all of Google's information, not the other way around.
That is, if they aren't already being partially blackmailed into this move because someone stateside already managed to steal Google's data (including the employee stuff). (Only partial blackmail because China's abundance of data and few limits on what to collect is the devil's own temptation for these corps.)
I sure wouldn't want to be the people setting this up, it's playing with fire no matter how you look at it.
In the sense that people in China using Google search won't see what their government does not want them to see? Congratulations Google!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seY78wuc38c - Republican hero explains why Trump is a bitchlike child and traitor in a thick Bavarian accent, for your consideration as you decide whether or not you have functional balls.
I'm not sure how much Arnold would care to be called "Bavarian", since he's from Austria.
(Speaking of Arnold... See https://www.theatlantic.com/po...)
And please drop the hyperbole and calls for violence, you're just undermining yourself. Let the facts speak for themselves.
Actually I said he had a thick Bavarian accent. I never called him "the Bavarian" so read more carefully. I don't know if I'd call it a thick Austrian accent or what that implies, that's my rationale there.
What violence have I called for exactly? Trump is a traitor and the legal remedy for treason is the gallows. Or the firing squad but I prefer the gallows for treason. I'm old fashioned when it comes to traitors.
Arnold agrees with me, Trump is a traitor - and like me I guarantee he didn't vote for Hillary and has zero political ambitions anymore. The facts DO speak for themselves and soon, a Grand Jury will also.
Mueller bats last.
As Google already has a lot of experience censoring US search results, they're a natural to cooperate with the Communist Party of China. The whole brouhaha started when Google was going to use its power of search to bring down the CPC. This was at the time of the color revolutions and Google was feeling its oats. Moreover they still had the "Don't Be Evil" motto back then. Ah, memories.
With Google's proven expertise in censorship and new-found willingness to be evil, I see a happy and prosperous future ahead for the CPC. They're going to need it, China is heading for a rocky time and they'll need every bit of help they can get repressing their own people.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Fist post you fall it!! Ha ha
... big brother watchmachine is doubleplusgood. All bow before the almighty chairman, all bow before the almighty Google.
*Kneels and lapses into praising*
Aaaaaaaaaaah,Goooooogle, aaaaaaaaaaah, Rama Rama Goooogle ...
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Pichai: "People don't understand fully, but you're always balancing a set of values,"
Yeah, right. On one side "Human Rights" values and on the other "Money".
We clearly know your balances...
Those values include providing access to information, freedom of expression, user privacy, and how to exploit them.
There, fixed that for you.
Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
No, we fully understand what you're doing, and we don't agree with you that whatever good you think you're doing offsets the intrinsic evil of helping the central governing authorities in China monitor every search your users do.
I am going to make a bet here: at some point, the Chinese government is going to ask for Google to help with AI research with direct military applications, and they will agree to do it. You will also not see rioting in their American campuses from the people who opposed participation here, and you certainly won't see them rioting and saying that helping the PLA is even worse than helping the US military. It will be exactly like wars during Democratic administrations where they suddenly support the troops, support the mission and call dissent treason.
Google has been a home to many SJWs, ....let the down-voting begin.
yet they are the best in the business to offer fake news, manipulate results, track people with or without consent, spy on their users, treat their users as products and now here's another example of how proud they would've made Himmler.
"get your censored search engine from the people's SJW-driven company NAO"
"did the Natzees hurt your feelings? Don't worry, because diversity and inclusion always win. Get your Censored service for only $99.95. The first 10 orders get STD tracking for free"
too much of a stretch ?
The company has gone downhill ever since he joined,and a lot of sjw politics has been injected from around the same time. There must be enough pressure put on google to fire him or the authorities should just break it up into 10 different companies.
Working so hard at getting the very best education.
Dreaming of getting a top internet job after graduation.
Finally getting the best internet job.
Now working hard to totally control the net for Communist China.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Is Google interested in creating a censored China engine because it can be tested for possible deployment in the US or elsewhere? You have to wonder if many of these companies like Google find it attractive to be able to influence through search? For me Google's actions get more disturbing everyday, even the fact many of their empoyee's can now dictate what the company does and what projects to work on. Similar actions are taking place now at Microsoft where some employees don't want to company involved in certain projects. So the few influence the many??
The argument "We are compelled by our mission [to] provide information to everyone, and [China is] 20 percent of the world's population," is of course a defensible argument but the argument is purposefully not the full argument and meant to obfuscate from very primary goals that Google has. If they had been transparent with the motivation for profit and deepening global market dominance I could at least say they're being honest about their intentions and support that honesty (not the actual decision to create a censored version). They act as if they're balancing all values here without mentioning what were likely the key drivers for revisiting the Chinese market.
Itâ(TM)s sad to see Google cave in like this. Whatâ(TM)s worse is wrapping it in the language of âoedoing good for the Chinese people.â I think theyâ(TM)ll do just fine without you Pichai.
China is an oppressive dictatorship that uses censorship to control its people. America is a democracy that values free and open information. Google values free and open information. Who is that Google wants to help and who is it that Google refuses to help?
This is f'd up.
It was always:
Don't, be evil.
Sergey Brin, one of the founder's of Google, was one of the main forces that pushed Google to leave China before. He has a Yacht named Dragonfly. Pichai has named this project to go back into China Dragonfly - from the outside it looks like a right in your face middle finger to Brin and what he said.
The market there is already saturated for search engines, so its not like Google is going to make alot of money - but the moral standing Google has for not being there is valuable which the Google CEO doesn't seem to comprehend. Pichai is doing great for the stock price, but seems to have no moral compass other than do what makes the most money right now - its as if Scrooge is running the place. He does need to go - but the shareholders are loving this no concern for moral issues type of management style (Facebook style really), so no.
When I read the title of this one as: "Google's CEO Says Tests of Censored Chinese Search Engine Have Been Very Promising " I felt it begged the question. For whom? When you say something is promising, to whom is it making a promise? Not sure I buy this being a great idea though.
Anybody who believes this is about giving the Chinese people more information just isn't paying attention. It's the exact opposite. This is about perfecting a censor-friendly search engine that will be jammed down our throats one way or another.
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Getting more information to the world whilst at the same time dictating the kind of information!
Nothing ever changes with narcistic dictators.
The post is correct. Subhuman Stinkdus act just like this. Even the westernized Stunkdus hate the fresh off the curry boat variety.
Indians should be eradicated and quickly before they're allowed to breed anymore.
My Google friend has his kids in mandarin immersion courses
They just want the censorship features to use them in voter manipulation.
Please detail the high crimes and misdemeanors. With citations and facts.
Crickets.
See you at the Trump 2020 swearing in ceremony.
No. Liberals make up fantasies about how all non-Caucasian cultures are superior. Muslims are peaceful. Native Americans are The First Environmentalists, blacks are incompetent permanent victims of whites, Hispanics are the only people who can do hard manual labor, Asians are too smart and therefore do not get minority preferences they give to others, Jews are Muslim baby eating right wing Nazis, and so on.
So controlling the flow of information to align with the interest of the controlling party is still beneficial to citizens because at least they now have access to more information. Am I getting that right?
This is guy is straight up evil.
The search engine ties the phone # to the search. The Chinese have the great fire wall which is meant to control in/out flow of information and would never allow free flow of information. The search engine will be used to go after dissidents. Pichai needs to be sent back to India. Google refuses to help the US government, as it enjoys the freedoms and protections of a democracy yet is eager to help a police state. This reflects very poorly on google and google employees.
I understand it is a balancing act. What I don't understand is why do I have to use your set of values.
I got a Gmail address ver early on. I was able to get one that was essentially my full name@gmail.com. I must have something like 50,000 emails in that account.
I want out.
Questions are:
Which service is relatively new and might have more open addresses.
How do I get my 50k emails OUT of gmail and the IN to the new service.
I'd be willing to pay.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
If you are still naive about Google being EVIL and that they don't control your thoughts by limiting search results then keep on using Google products and pay the price. Eventually, you or your children will pay with their lives as Alphabet will help China to destroy everything. One evil country plus one evil company makes one unholy alliance to control everyone.
Don't forget Caucasians are the Gog and Magog.
I don't have a problem with Google agreeing to some filtering in order to enter China, but I'd like to see them publish their filtering criteria and advocate for less restriction over time. I mean everyone here is ignoring the DMCA takedown situation when they act like we in America don't allow those with power to make arbitrary takedown demands. Project Maven is a far more troubling issue... There are enough techies refusing to do defense work to cause a significant salary premium for those who are willing, but not the universal refusal that would be necessary to stop it from happening. Given that it is happening, I'd prefer targeting with less false positives... The military culture of secrecy and CYA is quite problematic for democracy because without a clearance and need to know you can't get the data to fairly judge if they are doing the right thing or not.
.. corrupting the earth and spreading fassad. One group accepted Judaism on a saturday evening and another Christianity on a sunday morning. Giving birth to the Judeo-Christian zionist alliance Britain, USA, Australia all the same scum.
Corporate Speak -> English
A billion potential users is a lot of extra advertising and other data mining related revenue. We cannot resist.
Google has lost their way, this is exactly what their "Don't Be Evil" slogan was referring to. Companies get to big and to greedy and do evil things. Participating in the repression of humans, way to go Google!
You really miss the man who was famous for saying
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If you donâ(TM)t want people to know what youâ(TM)re doing on the internet then maybe you should t be doing it.
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Google has been evil for at least 10 years. Pichai is just the man currently holding the hatchet.
And thatâ(TM)s why you should never hire someone leaving Google unless itâ(TM)s for reasons of conscience.
Make Google these peopleâ(TM)s last career move.
Thatâ(TM)s not enough, you also have to make sure that people understand that there are social consequences to their antisocial actions. Anybody who chooses to work for google at this point knows what they are doing and by definition should not be trusted with an iota of authority or responsibility.
Google should be one of the biggest red flags in any resume. They are likely to be an over entitled, underskilled rat with either no ethics or no sense.
If you are ready to stop using Google tools then how about the tools who work for them? Take things a step further and refuse to work with or hire anyone with the stink of Google on them.
See how long the company can keep going when only the worst and most desperate will sign on, knowing it may be their last job in the industry.
For the same reason that Roman imperialism was significantly uglier than Christian European imperialism: pagan cultures--which China functionally is--don't tend to place anywhere near as much value on human life as Christian-influenced ones.
Those values you probably have about equality, tolerance, love, etc.? Those aren't universal. They were religious values that the Church spent centuries stamping into a high pagan culture where violent revenge, slavery and hatred were not only normal, but celebrated as good.
"Don't be evil" is still right there at the bottom:
https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html
That means it's still your civic duty to call them on it when they do bad shit.