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Apple To Announce New iPads on October 30 (buzzfeednews.com)

Apple will hold its next big product announcement in New York later this month, the company said today. BuzzFeed News: It's the first time Apple, which usually holds these events in the Bay Area, will roll out new devices in New York City. It'll happen at the Brooklyn Academy of Music, on October 30. The company is widely expected to refresh its iPad and possibly the MacBook Air lineups at the event.

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  1. Tablets are SO Last Thursday by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 0

    *yawn*

    1. Re: Tablets are SO Last Thursday by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Yeah, whatever. I have been waiting for six months, on this announcement, to buy an iPad for my wife. I will be pre-ordering whatever they announce as soon as I can.

    2. Re: Tablets are SO Last Thursday by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Why bother pre-ordering?
      I guess it depends where you live, but you can normally get these from a retail store the same day as it is released, and without having to wait for it to get shipped.
      Unlike iPhones there isn't much of a Line for iPads.

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    3. Re: Tablets are SO Last Thursday by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      It will be a Christmas present. Do not need to have it the second it comes out but I do not want to be left holding the bag at Christmas either.

    4. Re:Tablets are SO Last Thursday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. So boring. The apple hype machine will have to go into overdrive to make these toys exciting. Maybe a huge price raise. That always get people talking.

    5. Re:Tablets are SO Last Thursday by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It's not that they are boring, it's just I have one. So does my sister, and my mother, and my father. They are well and truly competing with themselves and people are starting to realise that they aren't offering any new killer features.

    6. Re: Tablets are SO Last Thursday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a fucking tool.

    7. Re: Tablets are SO Last Thursday by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      You ARE a fucking tool.

    8. Re: Tablets are SO Last Thursday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a fucking tool.

      Whats wrong with his comment? Wow you need help.

    9. Re: Tablets are SO Last Thursday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a fucking tool.

      Whats wrong with his comment? Wow, you need help.

  2. Forget the iPads... by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 1

    The Mac mini haven't been updated in four years. Where's the love, Apple?

    1. Re:Forget the iPads... by ceeam · · Score: 2

      And the last time they were upgraded it was an actual downgrade, with soldered RAM etc. 2012 Minis were awesome though, apart from lacking any GPU power.

    2. Re:Forget the iPads... by Golddess · · Score: 1

      While not quite as long, I personally would like to see a new iPod Touch.

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    3. Re:Forget the iPads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, someone points out that the Mac mini haven't been updated in four years and gets modded as a TROLL?! WTF, mods?

    4. Re:Forget the iPads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can tell the apple police are here trying to control things

    5. Re:Forget the iPads... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      The Mac mini haven't been updated in four years. Where's the love, Apple?

      If TFS wasn't so lame, you'd already know that the Event will ALSO focus on new Macs (likely a reimagined "Pro" Mac mini, and probably at least a Preview of the upcoming redesigned Mac Pro).

      See:

      https://www.macrumors.com/2018...

    6. Re:Forget the iPads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More crap from apple

    7. Re:Forget the iPads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Mac mini haven't been updated in four years "

      The Chris haven't learned English tenses in four years.

    8. Re:Forget the iPads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ooh "reimagined", boy do I love product announcements that begin with "we have reimagined the ... "

      or all the apple announcements where they talk to audience like they're a bunch of children

    9. Re:Forget the iPads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The OP is a Slashdot troll who spams inane comments for karma.

  3. My guess is it's with the Pro by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Yeah the Mac mini update cycle is crazy. I am thinking they will release a new version of that along with the new Mac Pro "early" next year.

    After Apple released the iMac Pro, that gave them enough runway for other pro-level updates they could take some time...

    The good news is that when they do update the Mac mini, they are supposed to have more of a pro version that would have decent hardware inside so you could really use it as a small desktop with good power and connectivity (probably would included Thunderbolt 3 at least so it could handle an eGPU and fast storage options).

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    1. Re:My guess is it's with the Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knowing Apple these days... the $500 Mac mini will be $750.

    2. Re:My guess is it's with the Pro by Moof123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only Apple can have such a huge workforce, yet be unable to knock out basic updates to what amount to bog standard PC's wrapped up in designer cases. What the heck are all those people doing in the Spaceship, or are they all concussed from running into glass walls?

    3. Re:My guess is it's with the Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you looked at the stock price and the profitability lately? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    4. Re:My guess is it's with the Pro by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Only Apple can have such a huge workforce, yet be unable to knock out basic updates to what amount to bog standard PC's wrapped up in designer cases. What the heck are all those people doing in the Spaceship, or are they all concussed from running into glass walls?

      Easy. They're working on more profitable products.

      Remember, the two worst sellers in the Apple line up are the Mac Pro and Mac Mini. And it's not because they are way outdated - it's always been true even when Steve Jobs was alive.

      The Mac Pro sort of made it up by having a much larger margin, but the Mac Mini doesn't have much margin at all.

      The problem with updating the Mini is well, Intel. The Mini lineup consists of one logic board only, so Apple needs from Intel a selection of CPUs that share the same socket. For mobile, Intel really only makes one set of processors, which is why you end up with a quad core i5 and a dual core i7 - it's what Intel has that shares the same footprint.

    5. Re:My guess is it's with the Pro by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      If they are not profitable, kill them with fire.

      However, to leave them as shambling zombie products is just a cruel farce. There are plenty of NUC PC's out there that get regular updates, and they are basically the same as the mini except for being inadequately "minimalist". The "Pro" should have been a simple tower like every other real workstation box out there. Instead they tried to make it look like a shiny jet engine, which is even more non-standard than Dell's Alienware triangular BS. Basically I am saying that there are many vendors out there that do this on the PC side, often with multiple variants (often too many), updated regularly, and it is no big deal for them.

      Even in the mid-range offering Apple chooses mobile grade stuff for desktop applications, needlessly hamstringing performance to be able to fit into their all-in-one fashion driven form factor. How about sell both a good mid-range tower AND all-in-on's and let the buyer decide?

    6. Re:My guess is it's with the Pro by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      The good news is that when they do update the Mac mini, they are supposed to have more of a pro version that would have decent hardware inside so you could really use it as a small desktop with good power and connectivity (probably would included Thunderbolt 3 at least so it could handle an eGPU and fast storage options).

      That's my hope. A headless Mini Pro with a couple TB3 ports and user-replaceable HD and RAM. Upgradable CPU would be nice too, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

    7. Re:My guess is it's with the Pro by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1, Informative

      Only Apple can have such a huge workforce, yet be unable to knock out basic updates to what amount to bog standard PC's wrapped up in designer cases. What the heck are all those people doing in the Spaceship, or are they all concussed from running into glass walls?

      Um, that's exactly what Apple DOESN'T do (unlike almost everyone else).

    8. Re:My guess is it's with the Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liar!!
      Prove it or shut the fuck up.

    9. Re:My guess is it's with the Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only Apple can have such a huge workforce, yet be unable to knock out basic updates to what amount to bog standard PC's wrapped up in designer cases. What the heck are all those people doing in the Spaceship, or are they all concussed from running into glass walls?

      Um, that's exactly what Apple DOESN'T do

      Yeah, that's what he said. I don't know what they're doing but how come they can't get a decent Mac Pro update out at a decent rate? They're still trying to charge $3000 for an old 6-core CPU, 16GB RAM and ancient D500 GPUs. Why are they even selling that?

    10. Re:My guess is it's with the Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with updating the Mini is well, Intel. The Mini lineup consists of one logic board only, so Apple needs from Intel a selection of CPUs that share the same socket. For mobile, Intel really only makes one set of processors, which is why you end up with a quad core i5 and a dual core i7 - it's what Intel has that shares the same footprint.

      This means right there that a quad core Mini now is possible. For all the flame about Intel standing still their iterations allowed to bring quad core to the 15 watt CPU range, with Kaby Lake.

      Here is the most current iteration
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Lake_(microarchitecture)

      Note that there's no known replacement for this chip until 2020 so if there's any Mac Mini replacement it should run this chip.

      Now, doing a Mini as currently standing would mean it's still limited to 16GB unless they make a special motherboard with soldered 32GB DDR4 (like the macbookpro) or move to soldered DDR4 across the board.

  4. Ok. by DalM · · Score: 3, Informative

    Remember when there used to be "One more thing..."

    Like when SJ pulled the iPod Nano out of his pocket? Or when he introduced iPhoto printed books? I miss stuff like that. That's what these events were really for. Now they are just big expensive press releases for minor hardware upgrades.

    1. Re:Ok. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Jobs kinda over did the "One more thing..." also the iPod Nano is just a rehash of his iPod release years ago. the Nano was just an upgrade Mini. A lot thinner and a color screen. But other then that the same thing.
      A problem with the Apple Secrecy is it made it difficult for companies to invest into Apple products. While trying to avoid the Osborn effect, there is also not knowing if Apple will have a surprise that is something useful (say a new Pro device) or should they just get a boring PC with a well ordered upgrade cycle.

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    2. Re:Ok. by DalM · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no. The Nano blew people's minds at the time. No one had seen anything even close to it. Motorola thought they were going to be the big news that day when SJ announced the Moto Rokr with iTunes. But everyone forgot about that phone before the event was even over.

      Still One More Thing(TM) made these events much more entertaining.

  5. I am really hoping for an updated Mac Mini by enjar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you remember when you could buy a Mac Mini with non-soldered RAM, a quad core CPU, and a replaceable disk? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Update the thing already, or kill it. Please. Thunderbolt 3, decent, CPU, non-soldered on RAM/disk and I'm pleased as punch.

    1. Re:I am really hoping for an updated Mac Mini by Yaztromo · · Score: 1

      Thunderbolt 3, decent, CPU, non-soldered on RAM/disk

      I can understand non-soldered RAM, but now that the drives are all SSD (and in most Macs they aren't really even physical "drives" anymore -- they're chips directly soldered to the board), if a new Mac mini comes with Thunderbolt 3 you're better off upgrading by adding external Thunderbolt-based storage.

      Yaz

    2. Re:I am really hoping for an updated Mac Mini by antdude · · Score: 1

      Same for MacPros. :(

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  6. That good ol' Apple boner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can feel my dick twitching already! Nothing makes for a rock hard tumescent member than Apple product announcements. I and a few of the other Apple fan boiz are going to slip out to the company restroom for an afternoon Apple gay circle jerk. Yum! Yum! Yum! Won't you join us?

  7. OMG!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm covered in apple cum!!!

  8. Yawn.... by no-body · · Score: 1

    too tired to continue on yet another hype!

  9. Not really that minor this time by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I generally agree with your sentiment about many Apple Events being big press releases (though not very expensive for Apple at all considering the coverage they get!!).

    However, I don't think the hardware changes for the iPad this time are all that minor. They'll probably be getting FaceID for one, also the latest processors and neural engine that are in the latest iPhones, so that is quite a large performance boost.

    Especially interesting is how much the latest Apple processors have helped increase Javascript speed, due to adding specific processor support for Javascript floats...

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    1. Re:Not really that minor this time by DalM · · Score: 1

      All of those items you list could be just as easily said in a 1-page press release and website update. None of them are new or really deserving of an "We call it the iPhone" style event.

      That said, heck yeah the massive press is 100% worth it for Apple. That's why everyone -Google, Samsung, Amazon, literally everyone- is doing these big events now for every minor upgrade.

    2. Re:Not really that minor this time by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I disagree because the switch to FaceID and dropping the button, means there are some changes to the UI that aren't really great to put in a press release. Starting with the iPhone launch the events have been useful as mini tutorials that people actually watch, and in this case that tutorial will be helping a lot of peopler understand how a FaceID iPad will work.

      As I said though I generally agree with your assessment of most of these events, including Apple. To me the one for the iPhone just a month or two ago fell into that category since it wasn't really useful. But, the show must go on I suppose...

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  10. Show Apple the business case by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Do you remember when you could buy a Mac Mini with non-soldered RAM, a quad core CPU, and a replaceable disk?

    If you want non-soldered RAM and user replaceable disks you need to show Apple a business case where it makes sense for them. The number of people who upgrade RAM in their machines is a rounding error and I'm pretty sure Apple has the data to prove it. If the number of your customers who take advantage of a feature is a good approximation of zero then why incur the added cost (design, manufacturing, purchasing) of the more complicated device? If it is more profitable for them to just deal with it as a warranty issue then they will do that. I think the lost business they incur from this decision is almost zero (unfortunately) so it really shouldn't be surprising especially in light of Apple's preference for a closed ecosystem.

    Don't get me wrong, I have a Mac Mini and swapped the RAM on it a while back so I'd definitely prefer that option. But I get why Apple does what they do and I'm not really sure how to make a business case for modular RAM that would bring in enough profit to Apple for them to give a shit.

    1. Re:Show Apple the business case by edwdig · · Score: 1

      I think it's more that building in the RAM means you have to buy your RAM upgrades from Apple. Without soldered RAM & storage, it's often a lot cheaper to buy computers with the minimum amount of RAM and SSD included, then upgrade it after. Now you're forced to buy what you need directly from Apple. And you're likely to overestimate your needs because you can't change it later. That's several hundred dollars extra profit per system on the high end models.

    2. Re:Show Apple the business case by Misagon · · Score: 1

      "Business cases that make sense" can be loops, feeding themselves. (I'm sure there is a fancy economic-science term for it, but I don't know it.)

      If Apple don't make devices that can get hardware upgrades then users will not know about hardware upgrades, so they won't request them.
      It is like with Windows users: they expect clunky UIs, their systems getting slower over time and full of malware -- because they have not been exposed to anything better!

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    3. Re:Show Apple the business case by shess · · Score: 1

      Do you remember when you could buy a Mac Mini with non-soldered RAM, a quad core CPU, and a replaceable disk?

      If you want non-soldered RAM and user replaceable disks you need to show Apple a business case where it makes sense for them. The number of people who upgrade RAM in their machines is a rounding error and I'm pretty sure Apple has the data to prove it.

      How? I would buy one if I could get 32GB of RAM and a quad-core i7 (ie, match my Linux box which cost half as much as what they do sell). But I can't, so I don't buy one. A Mac Pro is way _more_ computer than I need, so I also don't buy one of those. So rather than upgrade, I just stick with docking an older macbook (before they decided to screw up their keyboards). I actually considered buying an iMac as an alternative, but I value being able to KVM between my various machines.

      To be fair, I don't give a rat's ass about SODIMM or replaceable disks, except as a means to an end. But I also don't consider the small size to be of any value, the older minis were plenty small enough. IMHO Apple has backed themselves into a corner and burned their bridges, here, and I have no idea why.

      Maybe they need to rename the current Mini to Micro, and inject a new Mini in between Micro and Pro, with mid-range iMac specs.

    4. Re:Show Apple the business case by enjar · · Score: 1

      The number of people who upgrade RAM in their machines is a rounding error and I'm pretty sure Apple has the data to prove it.

      Of course it is ... since it was soldered in place in the last "upgrade" it's 0 (insert meme of guy touching his temple, caption is "There is no demand for upgrades when we solder the stuff in place"). We had a large lab to support and were buying Mac Minis by the pallet. At that scale, spending a couple days swapping bulk RAM and drives to save the cost premium of paying Apple for the privilege was well worth it. It was kind of like shelling peas -- we sat around and pretty much chewed the fat while management was happy we were saving a pile of money.

      I'm actually more fixed on the TB3 port being a thing. For a current project I'm working on with external GPUs it's so much easier to deal with the Mac Mini form factor than a laptop or iMac factor. If I could get nearly the same form factor as the Mini the rest of the job is shrugging my shoulders at management and telling them to take it up with Tim Cook when they ask why DIY RAM and disk isn't a thing.

    5. Re:Show Apple the business case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If apple lets you upgrade their machines with just any old RAM how will they overcharge you for it?

  11. Eliminates probability of wait by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The store may not have the exact build configuration you want, and if you wait to order the shipping times can easily go out several weeks if there's any surge in popularity - the probability of that is higher with this round of iPads which will be more of a change than previous iPad iterations.

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  12. Cost savings by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I think it's more that building in the RAM means you have to buy your RAM upgrades from Apple.

    Sure that's part of it - Apple can bring in extra revenue that way. But don't underestimate the cost savings from not having to add the hardware to interface with the memory modules. They also don't have to design a user serviceable product which saves money too. They don't have to source the more complicated modular parts, they can have simpler assembly procedures, they reduce warranty costs by not having to deal with third party parts and ham handed users, etc. They realize these savings on EVERY device, not just the ones they sell to the smaller group of people who might consider upgrading the RAM.

    Financially it's a win in pretty much every way for Apple so whining at them about it will accomplish nothing. Like I said, if you want Apple to give a shit about user serviceable parts then you need to make a financial case where it's in Apple's interest to provide them. I think that is going to be a hard thing to accomplish.

    1. Re:Cost savings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They save a couple mm height or can use these mm for airflow.
      Complicated modular parts? This is the poorest of excuses, because millions of low end laptops use them. Hundreds millions of SO-DIMM slots and M.2 slots are made all the time.
      They can staff genius bars with people incompetent to change a stick of RAM. If a chip of RAM goes bad they'll junk the entire motherboard and order a new one or even ship the whole Mac Mini to a service center to do the replacement. It's like someone I know who buys (or bought, if she switched to laser) an inkjet printer every year for business tax season.

  13. We want a new Cheese-Grater Mac by gtall · · Score: 0

    The Ashcan is ridiculous. The iMac too constraining. When do we get a new decent workstation, Apple?

    1. Re:We want a new Cheese-Grater Mac by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      IMO, the cheese grater really is too big (3044 ci). It was designed in an era when the G5 required insane amounts of cooling, and it got tweaked only slightly during the Intel transition. You could easily build something with four drives and a high-end Xeon CPU in an enclosure half that size, and possibly a fourth that size.

      The two main problems with the current design are that A. Apple decided to remove SATA entirely, and B. they built the product in an enclosure that was barely a tenth that size (338 ci). As a result, with the exception of people who use them as software build machines, pretty much everybody who owns one has this unstackable round thing sitting beside a rectangular Thunderbolt RAID, because the Mac Pro is limited to a paltry 1 TB of storage — less than my laptop.

      So Apple does need to build something bigger and more pro-capable (six drive bays would be ideal), but a horizontal design with drives above the logic board would be much better (smaller). I'd settle for a vertical design with drives beside the logic board. Either way.

      And a good design should have removable handles that can be replaced with rack ears so that you can rack mount it in 2U or 3U of rack space, rather than the 4U used by the trashcan or the 5U for the cheese grater (after grinding off the handles).

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    2. Re:We want a new Cheese-Grater Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft has yet to figure out that 95% of end users only use 5% of the features. The OS should be in the background. Are you talking about particular applications?

  14. iMac is not at all constraining by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The iMac pro is not at all constraining, what makes you think that it is?

    I can add other GPU's and external storage easily via Thunderbolt 3.

    I agree that they also need a part-replaceable unit but they have one scheduled for next year, so it's not like they don't have a plan for that... in the meantime the iMac Pro is a really good system if you need more power.

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    1. Re:iMac is not at all constraining by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      It's not constraining if it does only the thing you want it to do...which is the thing Apple intends it to do...which is a common theme in your shill posts, SuperKendall.

      It is, however, constraining for people who don't desire an integral monitor. Deal breaking, in fact. ...and need "more power" than what? More power than an Apple product with less power? The computing world isn't defined by the narrow range of products Apple sells, even if your world is defined by it. Why do you care anyway? You "create content" on an iPad and that's good enough for you.

    2. Re: iMac is not at all constraining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the solution is once again use dongles to add stuff.

      Fuck you Apple apologist.

    3. Re: iMac is not at all constraining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They have that scheduled"

      Don't hold your breath bunk.

    4. Re: iMac is not at all constraining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or to live within those constraints and claim "everything is fine!"

    5. Re:iMac is not at all constraining by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Can't use PCI-e 40G/100G NICs. Thunderbolt doesn't provide enough lanes to support them in an external card cage either. You can technically add a SAS controller in an external card cage, but once again lack of PCI-e lanes gets you and the performance sucks. You can't use 30-bit displays, although I think that's more an OS limitation.

    6. Re: iMac is not at all constraining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The solution is, donâ(TM)t buy Apple. No one is making you.

    7. Re:iMac is not at all constraining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about HDR stuff? HDR has made 30bit displays consumer tech.

  15. one more thing by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    The mini is dead (price cut on left overs to get rid of them)

  16. What's wrong with this picture? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    What's wrong with this picture? Why is the hairy old guy with the retro watch and marshmallows in his coffee scribbling a picture not worthy of a three year old? And note the standard headphone jack on his earbuds. WTF is Apple's message?

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    1. Re: What's wrong with this picture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung is for children.

      Apple is for real professionals. Hence their pro product line ;)

      **ducks**

    2. Re:What's wrong with this picture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's not one Apple product in that picture. What is your message?

    3. Re:What's wrong with this picture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF are you saying? WTF is in your head? The thing that is wrong is you

    4. Re:What's wrong with this picture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      those are literally all Samsung devices?

  17. Fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OH!!! Are they the exact same modle as the last but with an XS added tp the model with a 1000 dollar price tag??? SIGN ME UP!!!!

  18. Mac Mini or Apple becomes worse than Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple is almost more irrelevant than Linux when it comes to desktop computers. They desperately need to release a new Mac Mini. No one on Earth gives a damn about iPad or MacBook Air, those are both failed products.

  19. Why is a monitor deal-breaking? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    It is, however, constraining for people who don't desire an integral monitor. Deal breaking, in fact.

    Why is that deal breaking?

    I would have preferred a separate monitor myself. But it just means now I have two monitors instead of one - why is that so awful?

    It's not constraining if it does only the thing you want it to do

    Again, what is it exactly you think it cannot DO. The only example you gave was something you wanted to be removed, not a feature that could not be added.

    The computing world isn't defined by the narrow range of products Apple sells

    But the thing is the range they have is not as narrow as you are pretending. Yea the iMac would make for a poor rack mounted server, that's about the only scenario I could see at the moment where they don't have any great offerings. But for anything most people buy a computer for, there's an Apple system that can do an excellent job with a lot of overlap.

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    1. Re:Why is a monitor deal-breaking? by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      It is, however, constraining for people who don't desire an integral monitor. Deal breaking, in fact.

      Why is that deal breaking?

      For a guess, some people want to go with dual, triple, or quad-monitor setups with identical monitors. That's not possible with the iMac Pro, since Apple doesn't offer a matching standalone monitor. You can get close, but they won't match, and the large lower bezel on the Pro's monitor makes certain configurations difficult, if not impossible.

    2. Re:Why is a monitor deal-breaking? by pjrc · · Score: 1

      Two monitors are a deal breaker when you only have desk space for one.

  20. Same shit... but bigger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man Iâ(TM)m already falling asleep.

  21. Hopefully they dont' drop the headphone jack... by greenwow · · Score: 0

    like the rumors. It's weird how Apple so often forgets how much they make off of music.

    1. Re:Hopefully they dont' drop the headphone jack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently Jobs loved music because after he passed away, they're not allowing you to use good headphones with more and more products.

  22. How about a Mac Pro? by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    I just updated the 2010 Mac Pro to a 6-core last year, the most it can take. It is such a nice machine, currently upgraded to 2xSSDs, 2x3TB HDs, usb3, esata, 32GB RAM, waiting until Apple comes out with something similar, something ACTUALLY Pro.
    I also have the upgradeable Mac Mini, at least with 16GB RAM it is not doing bad, but, yeah, an update would be great.

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  23. Columbo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember when there used to be "One more thing..."

    I was always disappointed that they never had Peter Falk (aka Columbo) do a cameo for one of those.

  24. The New Apple by found404 · · Score: 0

    What happens when you empower a company with a history of sleazy business practices: Portless, borderless, possibly a soldered battery, dongles, doubling down on anti - 'right to repair', more room for Face ID pics in order to keep their DBs current, notches, price hikes, data-mining apps, social scores based on the emails they read and who you communicate with... truly courageous.

  25. No business case by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Of course it is ... since it was soldered in place in the last "upgrade" it's 0

    Don't be ridiculous. Most Windows desktops and laptops have user upgradable memory and the VAST majority of people and companies never touch it. They don't even open the case to look. This is not some sort of new revelation. People rarely upgraded memory on Macintoshes when they could do it and Apple provided the opportunity for literally decades. It shouldn't surprise anyone that Apple looked at the data and said "we can make more money by eliminating something almost none of our users are bothering with anyway".

    People act like Apple somehow should be forced to cater to their niche need which baffles me. Apple is going to do what is best for Apple. If you care about something that only a single digit percentage of users will ever care about (like upgrading your RAM) don't be surprised when Apple or any other company decides the added cost and lost revenue isn't worth the trouble.

    We had a large lab to support and were buying Mac Minis by the pallet.

    That just makes you the exception that proves the rule. The primary customers for Macs are decidedly NOT "large labs" or companies. They are end users purchasing them on their own dime and the vast majority of them never crack open the case. People like you and me are the rare exception and Apple knows it. They can make more money by reducing cost and overcharging for the OEM installed memory so they do that because it makes financial sense for them to do it. They know they aren't going to lose customers over it so why wouldn't they? I'm not saying I like it or approve but I get it.