When Your Day Job Isn't Enough (wsj.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: A lot of people are pursuing creative side gigs while they hold down big office jobs. It used to be that many had to choose between their creative aspirations and their commitment to a corporate career, but in the era of the side hustle some manage to do both [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled]. [...] Doing both comes with trade-offs and tensions. Unlike the aspiring actor waiting tables to pay the bills, true dual professionals have to balance the demands of both their aspirations, and often face a moment of reckoning where they are forced to sacrifice a step forward in one career path for job stability and financial security in the other.

The two worlds of Theresa Vu -- also known as the rapper tvu -- often collide. As senior vice president of engineering at New York software firm AppNexus, Ms. Vu runs a team of coders who work on a digital advertising platform. As a vocalist with the band Magnetic North, she rhymes and drops beats, and helped propel the band's "Home: Word" album to No. 2 on the Japanese hip-hop chart.

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IT / coders need an UNION!

[Joe_Dragon]

IT / coders need an UNION!

Re:IT / coders need an UNION!

[bonius_rex]

IT / coders need an UNION!

Union sysadmin here. Can confirm, life is good.

Re:IT / coders need an UNION!

[fbobraga]

Here on Brazil, there is unions for TI professionals, like http://fenadados.org.br/ and http://sindpd.org.br/

Re:IT / coders need an UNION!

[Anonymous Coward]

I agree, but Republicans think unions are socialism, so you are literally risking your life when supporting the forming of a union, stay safe.

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[Anonymous Coward]

Unions will be replaced by automation. The issue is that as a company tries to make more money it generally cuts costs which often cause the talent to leave...which signals the end or at least a major handicap for that company's competitiveness. Only companies with huge barriers to entry survive when they unionize...Car makers, planes, trains, steel, shipping, etc...software isn't that...it's probably the lowest cost barrier to entry of any type of business...except window washing.

Re:IT / coders need an UNION!

[mikael]

Be careful for what you wish for... you can end up with mandatory promotions, fixed career path options (you *MUST* become a manager or an architect after 10 years). I worked in a union shop and even the coffee breaks were regulated. You were only allowed to get one cup of coffee in the morning or afternoon. But other things like genuine flexitime were good - admins loved the ability to go out shopping at lunch-time or get their hair done.

Some companies just claimed they offered flexitime and jammed in a stand-up meeting at 9am to make sure no one came in later.

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[Anonymous Coward]

If your job can possibly be done with two people who can be paid about half as much, then you will be fired, if only to make the boss feel better with a big headcount.

And you probably should be replaced in that instance. Two average people can dig a trench quicker with two shovels than an "expert" can with two shovels. If you want to be an expert, buy/rent a backhoe.

If you need that trench to go through/under your sewer main, internet/power lines, then you are better off with the expert digger.

If you need a hundred square feet of asphalt slapped on your driveway, you may ir may not need to bother with higher skilled layers. If you need a hundred square feet of imported Italian marble laid in your million dollar coastal studio apartment's bathroom, you'd best pay extra for the guy with trusted references.

Horses were mostly replaced by cars and trucking for transportation. That's mostly a good thing for society but it means billions of horses were not born fur to lack of demand. Robots and computers are replacing a lot of people, and it is again mostly a good thing. Horses previously replaced people as porters, mostly, after all. I don't want a job carrying heavy stuff from point A to point B for less than the $1/mile or whatever the amortized cost is for a motor vehicle.

The problem is what will we do when people can't find a new job. People generally try to get the most valuable work they can tolerate, which means the job they have is probably already the best they can get with their skill set. Once that job is automated all they can do is displace lower skilled workers, and so on, and so on, all the way down the line until you have the lowest skilled, least employable people who get displaced out of the last job they could actually do.

Right now it is mostly people with less than strong backs and less than quick wits (or low education, take your pick) being displaced.

We can either adjust our society to find a use for them ( Netflix watching, Xbox playing, Youtube fail video producer participants), medical testing subjects, etc) to save the rest of us the first draft exposures. Or we can execute them in humane or entertaining fashion.

Otherwise we will create a society with rules that, by definition, preclude non criminal survival for an ever increasing set.

Maybe mandatory, reversible sterilization is needed. Want to five birth/impregnate someone? Serve in the Army/Peace Corp/ Sewer maintainer/Telephone Sanitizer brigade for a few years, or succeed in business, demonstrated by paying a bond of at keast ten percent of you total wealth, minimum of 21x (aka the legal drinking age) times the annual social welfare costs of raising a human properly.

These proposals have a few holes. Don't just complain, explain a better way that doesn't have the same/worse holes.

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[Anonymous Coward]

If you have flex time and a 9am meeting, either remote in, or go home after lunch. If your boss is effectively scheduling 9:00am and 5:00pm meetings, you don't actually have flex time. Find another job.

Whatever problem you have with management, the most probable solution is always to find another job. Whatever problem managers have with employees, the problem is always they are bad at hiring/managing people. Bad union contract? Management signed it. Lazy employees? Management hired them.

Too many managers complain about disloyal employees, and then ask how they can replace their entire staff at once so they dont risk disrupting production. The way to avoid disruption is to have a full replacement staff on standby at all times. That costs money. Usually more than just paying people enough to get good talent or at least decent people with a good attitude.

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[mikael]

Already done that. Now work as a freelancer, much to the annoyance of those recruitment agencies "retained by the electronics and embedded industries". Funny how those companies who can't find staff are the ones that don't give out references and require long resignation notice periods.

Re:IT / coders need an UNION!

[Shazatoga]

I've been in several union jobs. Our unions reps did nothing but leech off our pay cheques. Unions easily turn into yet another bureaucracy.

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[Anonymous Coward]

Republicans stole my buggy and MURDERED MY HORSE. Beware, stay safe!

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[astrofurter]

Mandatory promotions? Oh noez!!! What if people *want* to stay dead-end code monkeys their entire career, until they are fired at age 35? What about *those* people?

Re:IT / coders need an UNION!

[Anonymous Coward]

Nah, freedom and democracy are true values you need. Oh and this also,
best retirement plan ever, we need this fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOV8mBjHHYg

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[JaredOfEuropa]

Part of the problems we are having in IT are due to notions like the one that coding is a dead end job. Some people prefer to stay involved with coding professionally instead of moving on to architect or management positions. Sure, some people remain the same coder they started out as, and will turn into the proverbial aging code monkey. But some coders keep learning and growing and actually become good at their jobs. I know several such people and they are worth their (sometimes substantial) weight in gold when it comes to putting out good, maintainable code, by doing coding work themselves, or by coaching and training junior staff members. Sadly even those guys are often regarded as dinosaurs by colleagues and management. So they are forced into a promotion or into the street, and we’re left with young “senior” coders with 5 years worth of experience under their belts, reinventing the wheel and putting out shit code.

Re:IT / coders need an UNION!

[Anonymous Coward]

I couldn't think of anything worse.

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[astrofurter]

In one of my first jobs we had a senior programmer with a white beard, who started programming in the days of punch cards. He could write a dozen languages, but was at that time was a Python expert - back when Python was bleeding-edge new. I think we all learned a lot from him, and the code quality of the project was probably a lot higher due to his influence.

But yeah, that's a rare thing to see in recent years.

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[Cederic]

People like Kent Beck or Martin Fowler you mean? Industry leaders that gained those roles by continually learning, programming and thinking?

Thank fuck they weren't forced into hands-off roles.

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[Pascoea]

Are you telling me you've never worked with someone with zero ambition to be promoted and are happy with their current job? I enjoy what I do. The next "logical" step up for me is management. And all I can say, is "no thanks". Trade actually getting to work on cool things, building stuff, helping people do their jobs for managing people, attending planning meetings, and writing reports? Again, no thanks, you can keep it. I guarantee my next position will be a horizontal move into a different type of role.

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[dcw3]

Mandatory promotions? Oh noez!!! What if people *want* to stay dead-end code monkeys their entire career, until they are fired at age 35? What about *those* people?

If you know any "code monkey" that was fired at 35 (not during the recession), then you know someone who couldn't code their way out of a Hello World.

Re: IT / coders need an UNION!

[Joe_Dragon]

are union electricians and plumbers pushed into management?

Re:IT / coders need an UNION!

[micahraleigh]

Scott Walker cashed in on the fact that most Americans have lopsided view against unions.

I'm expecting this to be forgotten in 20 years or so. Freedom is in danger at every generational hand off.

Unfortunate name

[Anonymous Coward]

With a name like "Magnetic North", all I can think of is the song, and particularly the video, and especially particularly the first 30 seconds of the video, of the same name by Alestorm. I don't know which came in to existence first, but if the song did, this is why it's important to google a name before you adopt it.

When you're a aizuo

[Anonymous Coward]

Baizuo:

Chinese: báizu, literally "white left") is a derogatory Chinese neologism used to refer to Western leftist liberal elites. It refers to the left faction in the culture wars in Western politics,[original research?] implying support of multiculturalism, political correctness and positive discrimination. In more than 400 answers submitted by Zhihu users during 2015 to May 2017, the term is defined as referring to those who are hypocritically "obsessed with political correctness" in order to "satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority" motivated from an "ignorant and arrogant" Western-centric worldview who "pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours". A related term is shèngm (, , literally "holy mother", title for the mother of an emperor), a sarcastic reference to those whose political opinions are guided by emotions and a hypocritical show of selflessness and empathy, represented by celebrities such as J. K. Rowling and Emma Watson.

Damn. When the Chinese create a word to make fun of you, you're pretty damn pathetic.

Re:When you're a aizuo

[Anonymous Coward]

<3

Re:When you're a aizuo

[Whorhay]

I would say exactly the opposite. That if the Chinese hive mind feels so threatened by you as to create a word specifically to mock you, then they are the ones who are pathetic.

Re:When you're a aizuo

[Anonymous Coward]

Since when does mocking someone require feeling threatened? Or do you just not like being mocked?

Re:When you're a aizuo

[painandgreed]

Damn. When the Chinese create a word to make fun of you, you're pretty damn pathetic.

I'm sure they have a word in Chinese for Anonymous Coward also.

Re:When you're a aizuo

[Whorhay]

Much of the time if someone goes out of their way to mock someone or something else it's because they feel threatened by it in some way. If you go so far as creating a new word expressly for the purpose of mocking someone then that's a pretty clear indication that you find whatever it is threatening in some way.

Re:When you're a aizuo

[Anonymous Coward]

... or your just an idiot, ready to be mocked.

I don't mock people I'm threatened by. I hit them over the head with a shovel.

Mocking, is for morons, who persist in being moronic.

Note: persist. I'm willing to forego mocking on the notion you might just be ignorant.

Health insurance, retirement.....

[Anonymous Coward]

If you want health insurance that you can afford, getting it through your employer is the only way. And if your employer/gig doesn't offer it, good luck on the exchange - especially if you live in a Medicaid non-expansion state. And if the Republicans keep their control after the mid-terms, say good-bye to Obamacare and the law against insurance companies turning down coverage for pre-existing conditions.

That's why like every other western country, we need some sort of public option for everyone.

And retirement - having a company that will match really helps building up a retirement. And with Mitch McConnell and other Republicans saying that the entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare are causing the huge deficit and increase in government debt, you just know they're gonna cut it.

And real jobs want you 24/7 these days so a second gig is just not practical. Unless you don't want to sleep, exercise, or have any down time.

Re:Health insurance, retirement.....

[WillAffleckUW]

If you want health insurance that you can afford, getting it through your employer is the only way.

Not in Canada, or any other First World nation.

Re:Health insurance, retirement.....

[Anonymous Coward]

And real jobs want you 24/7 these days so a second gig is just not practical.

Sucks to be you.

Re:Health insurance, retirement.....

[Anonymous Coward]

Sleep? Exercise? You can sleep when your dead and if you're not getting exercise from your day to day effort to survive you're not hustling enough. Healthcare?! Give me a break, that just postpones how long you will be getting that long sleep you crave. RETIREMENT! LOL, No, no, all that is for the 1% and our government officials who deserve and have earned it. Had you not been so lazy, you would have been one of those. Instead you choose to die at work.

Re:Health insurance, retirement.....

[Anonymous Coward]

"Republicans saying that the entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare are causing the huge deficit and increase in government debt, you just know they're gonna cut it."

Scare mongering.

In addition, which demographic actually bothers to vote ? The young, or older crowd ? ( Hint: It's the latter, not the former )
Knowing this, do you think any politician is going to dare anger those who actually vote ?

Social Security and Medicare are even more off limits than 2nd Amendment issues because if anyone even dreams about touching those programs, the voters will remove anyone who even dares mention it from office in a hurry.

Re:Health insurance, retirement.....

[Anonymous Coward]

And that's why private health insurance is still a very popular thing in those countries.

NHS/Public health services generally suck. Given the choice most would opt out... but since the government REQUIRES you to pay, there is no such thing.

Re: Health insurance, retirement.....

[Anonymous Coward]

Under Obamacare, I was turned away from a hospital while injured and in pain. I did have "coverage", but i didn't have the cash for the $3000 deductible. So the hospital told me to go die in the street like a dog.

Re:Health insurance, retirement.....

[psycho12345]

Sure, you got plenty who want to vote for cuts... that are for later groups, to be phased in. Or they are hypocrites. Recall the saying "Get the government out of my Medicare!"

Re:Health insurance, retirement.....

[skam240]

Maybe try reading the whole post and not just the first paragraph

"That's why like every other western country, we need some sort of public option for everyone."

Re: Health insurance, retirement.....

[Anonymous Coward]

That never happened, don't spread lies.

Re:Health insurance, retirement.....

[wyHunter]

Even if you live in a medicaid expansion state, if you're even slightly successful at your job, you wont' qualify for ACA plans that are subsidized. The biggest issue is "Why does a short visit to a hospital that does not have an overnight stay cost so much"?

Re:Health insurance, retirement.....

[DigressivePoser]

And if the Republicans keep their control after the mid-terms, say good-bye to Obamacare and the law against insurance companies turning down coverage for pre-existing conditions.

About pre-existing conditions, President Trump tweeted this yesterday:

All Republicans support people with pre-existing conditions, and if they don’t, they will after I speak to them. I am in total support. Also, Democrats will destroy your Medicare, and I will keep it healthy and well!

You can read into that all you want, but Trump has generally kept campaign promises which is one of the reasons his popularity outside Progressive group-think zones has been increasing.

And retirement - having a company that will match really helps building up a retirement. And with Mitch McConnell and other Republicans saying that the entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare are causing the huge deficit and increase in government debt, you just know they're gonna cut it.

Well entitlement programs and SS do need adjustments. For SS, the original retirement age in 1935 was 65. If you lived that long then, you were considered quite elderly. The retirement age is now 67. To keep the original intent of SS (keeping the elderly out of poverty), retirement age should be raised to 75 or 80.

And real jobs want you 24/7 these days so a second gig is just not practical. Unless you don't want to sleep, exercise, or have any down time.

I had real jobs throughout my 30 year career and not once did any of them require 24/7 availability. Some were sweatshops for sure, but guess what, instead of bitching about it I found new jobs with better working conditions.

Re: Health insurance, retirement.....

[Anonymous Coward]

Saw a funny meme today. Americans eat like they have free healthcare. They eat worse than most people in countries like mine that have free healthcare. How does that make any sense?

in gop 2020 jail / ER will be the public option!

[Joe_Dragon]

in gop 2020 jail / ER will be the public option!

Yep.

[dtmos]

I once knew someone who was an external auditor for a big-eight accounting firm by day, and a jazz saxophonist at night. Sleep always was an optional extra, but the moment of reckoning came when the travel requirements of the accounting firm and jazz band diverged. Accounting, being much more stable and lucrative, won out.

Re:Yep.

[Sejus]

Duke Silver?

Re:Yep.

[Mal-2]

I had to stop taking weekday gigs because they had me rolling home around 3:30 am, which severely compromised not only my performance at work the next day, but probably made me a hazard on the road driving to work as well.

Re:Yep.

[dknj]

Realistically, you only have 50 hours during the week. If you don't have a family yet, feel free to ratchet that number up to 70-80 hours. Plus 6 hours on the weekend (double or triple that if you don't have a family) and then you realize that side hustle needs to pay money.

Personally, I turned my side hustle into my day job. So that's 20-25 hours a week gone. But leaves me with 35-37 hours to put towards my true side hustle without having to sacrifice my health (still gym 3x a week, still in bed by 10pm and getting a full 8 hours) or my family (dinner time). If you're willing to give those up, you could easily pull two 30 hour/wk jobs

Re:Yep.

[Cederic]

I'd rather pull one very well paid 40-50 hour a week job (nominally 37 but hey, I enjoy it) and use the rest of the time pursuing personal creative outlets that just don't pay well.

I'm a good photographer but I'd have to be a world famous and great one to earn more than I do in my day job.
I'm a good author but the market is saturated and my books struggle to cover the cost of the ISBN.
I'm a good dancer but professional gigs are for young fit aesthetically pleasing dancers that are much better than I'll ever be.

Plenty of creativity, but the day job is also creative and pays far far better.

This just in!

[Anonymous Coward]

Having two careers that are mutally exclusive makes it difficult to maintain to a high standard in both simultaneously!

More at 11.

Don't quit your day job

[Anonymous Coward]

What's old is new again. Only very very few people can quit their day job, Hollywood endings like in " la la land " are the exception.

Respect their work ethic and energy levels

[Seven Spirals]

Goddamn. I can barely keep it together working one job. I dunno how anyone maintains juggling all those bosses and work schedules, but hey, right on folks. Good on you for working hard and hanging tough.

Re:Respect their work ethic and energy levels

[Obfuscant]

It is even more amazing when you consider her day job is in New York and her music gig is in Japan. Some commute, I'd say.

Re:Respect their work ethic and energy levels

[aberglas]

I've known several VPs of engineering who would do a much better job if they had an outside interest. It would limit the amount of damage they could do inside.

Re: Respect their work ethic and energy levels

[Anonymous Coward]

I fine it hard to believe she does much work in her day job. Did you look at their management team? A bunch of private school frat boys. Her VP job is probably a sinecure, a reward for her wise choice of parents. No actual work required.

Re:Respect their work ethic and energy levels

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah I'm good with my one job and MY LIFE.
I'm here to enjoy it not throw it away for some useless sheckles.
Her music Gig ISN'T a job, it's her passion, her Hobby and probably what keeps her sane.

Re:Respect their work ethic and energy levels

[Seven Spirals]

Hehe, that's like when people buy those little golf putting machines for their manager. You keep their attention distracted like a rat in a wheel.

No. 2 on the Japanese hip-hop chart, dame desu

[Anonymous Coward]

You're as curious about Japanese Hip-hop's #1 as I am : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu5G443dQ4A

What the fuck is WRONG with these people?

Re:No. 2 on the Japanese hip-hop chart, dame desu

[Areyoukiddingme]

You're as curious about Japanese Hip-hop's #1 as I am : https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

What the fuck is WRONG with these people?

They evolved the most aggressive society in the world, started a war, got nuked, and discovered they were pacifists (with apologies to Neal Stephenson). The aggressiveness is still there, but it's being suppressed. The internal pressure results in... strangeness.

Re:No. 2 on the Japanese hip-hop chart, dame desu

[Anonymous Coward]

That's from 2016 and it peaked at #77 two years ago. Meanwhile we sang the Macarena for about 10 years.

who cares

[Anonymous Coward]

The important question is, can Ms. Vu make me a damn good sandwich?

No more paywalls

[Anonymous Coward]

Instead of noting: Editor's note: the link may be paywalled,/i> start universally rejecting all paywalled sites.

It's called a hobby

[WillAffleckUW]

You're not reinventing anything.

Re:It's called a hobby

[Whorhay]

Don't ruin it now! This whole "side hustle" thing has been a great source of amusement to me over the last couple of years. It's as if an entire generation grew up somehow completely unaware that their parents did anything other than work at one job and make them sandwiches.

Re:It's called a hobby

[Anonymous Coward]

It's as if an entire generation grew up somehow completely unaware that their parents did anything other than work at one job and make them sandwiches.

Hey, we could do a startup to sell sandwiches we make while watching TV and have people come to our door and buy them!

Give me $100,000,000 and we'll go IPO in 2 years!

Funny how family/friends time trade-off isn't ment

[Anonymous Coward]

I suppose nowadays a big f*ck you to family/friends quality time is the norm.

Weekend band

[xxxJonBoyxxx]

>> it used to be that many had to choose between their creative aspirations and their commitment to a corporate career

No, people who work for a living and then play/sing in some crappy band has always been a thing. Always.

>> As a vocalist with the band Magnetic North, she rhymes and drops beats

Cha 13, Int 14, Wis 8

Re:Weekend band

[Anonymous Coward]

>> it used to be that many had to choose between their creative aspirations and their commitment to a corporate career

No, people who work for a living and then play/sing in some crappy band has always been a thing. Always.

>> As a vocalist with the band Magnetic North, she rhymes and drops beats

Cha 13, Int 14, Wis 8

I know this shows my age(and version) but I always preferred having Comliness be the physical attractiveness attribute, versus bundling it all into Charisma.
To me Charisma is personal charm, personality, etc.

There are people who are butt ugly and have great charm and wit, and conversely, people who have incredible physical attractiveness and have no charm whatsoever.

Apple 10s and bretern

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm looking at you. Ridiculous expensive necessities.

Re:Apple 10s and bretern

[roc97007]

"Ridiculous expensive necessities" seems like a contradiction.

Re:Apple 10s and bretern

[Anonymous Coward]

Nothing about Apple, or any Apple product, is necessary.

No

[KalvinB]

A Union would simply interfere with the ability to make gainful additional employment when you're not the type of person obsessed with TV and sports.

If you're the type of person that needs "protection" to not be fired, you're probably the type of person that needs to be fired.

Unions make sense in highly physically demanding jobs where cutting corners could literally get you killed.

They don't make sense in desk jobs. If you don't like your job, get better at it and find another one.

Re:No

[Anonymous Coward]

A Union would simply interfere with the ability to make gainful additional employment when you're not the type of person obsessed with TV and sports.

If you're the type of person that needs "protection" to not be fired, you're probably the type of person that needs to be fired.

Unions make sense in highly physically demanding jobs where cutting corners could literally get you killed.

They don't make sense in desk jobs. If you don't like your job, get better at it and find another one.

You're either sheltered or disingenuous with a viewpoint like that. IT is an essential need that's constantly getting screwed by C-level decision-making reducing benefits, lengthening hours and generally ensuring we're moving closer to wage-slavery with each passing month.

Re:No

[Anonymous Coward]

If you're the type of person that needs "protection" to not be fired, you're probably the type of person that needs to be fired.

Like women, people of color, homosexuals, and anyone over 40?

Re:No

[Anonymous Coward]

The only way to have this viewpoint is to be wholly, malignantly ignorant with regards to US labor history.

Re:No

[Anonymous Coward]

No. Those are just "people", at least initially.

It's only when they clamor for "protection" and want everyone else to attend mandatory "make some fat ugly mulatto tranny feel better" classes and listen to their hypersensitive complaints.

Re:No

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean like anyone who isn't an H-1B, or a B-1? (B-1 visa fraud is so rampant, that the fines are just a cost of doing business in many companies.)

Unions are not all bad. They gave us the weekend, 40 hour weeks, vacations, holidays, sick leave, got our kids out of the coal mines, gave us worker's comp. Read Upton Sinclair's book. You will appreciate unions again.

Re:No

[Anonymous Coward]

Whether or not a Union is needed has nothing to do with type type of labor, and everything to do with the availability of labor.

In any case where the labor pool is very large, employers rape their employees. They perpetuate every kind of abuse that saves them money, because they can get away with it, because anyone who protests is instantly replaceable. In this case, a union is needed to give some negotiating leverage back to the workers.

In cases where the labor supply is low (perhaps because the job is difficult and few have the inclination and ability to do it well), employers must court employees, and compete against other employers for employees. This gives employees a lot of negotiating leverage, and so a union is not needed.

One example: video game software development. Every kid out of college wants to do it, so employers rape them all. Working conditions are awful and everyone burns out eventually.

Counter example: business applications software development. The work is tedious and unglamorous and requires a high tolerance for absurdity. So, most programmers shun it. So, employers must pay well and honor reasonable hours, or their talent just abandons them.

In the former case, a union is sorely needed. In the latter case, not so much.

Re: No

[Anonymous Coward]

And Elizabeth Warren is fucking Cherokee.

Re:No

[Ocker3]

Also people trying to get into the industry, and anyone wanting to stave of wage slavery without having to keep dancing the tune for bosses who have no industry experience.

Re:No

[Cederic]

Strange. I've had a lovely career in IT and as I get older my hours per week is dropping nearly as fast as my salary is rising.

C-level decision making impacts everybody, including those in unions. Self determination means I can choose the extent of that impact on my for myself, no other cunt fucking me over because of idiotic things like seniority based progression or reducing salaries to avoid job losses.

Fuck that.

Re:No

[Pascoea]

I am 100% pro union. My family is at least three-generations deep in the Boilermakers and Electricians trades. I personally didn't join, but ended up managing union projects. Unions currently have their place, and have proven countless times that they are beneficial.

Their place is exactly where you described it. Physically demanding, skilled, and dangerous work that requires significant safety (and skills) training. The part you missed, is transient work. This is where unions are currently proving their benefit. If I have a project that requires 200 (or 1000) skilled people to complete, in somewhere like North Dakota, the unions generally have the ability to provide those workers. And for the most part I know that I'm going to get people who know what they are doing, and can get it done safely. Non-union shops are starting to catch up, but they have a long way to go in this respect

The thing with IT? For the most part, it doesn't check those boxes above. It's not physically demanding, safety training is just about nil, and it's not transient. And in the current market, if you're not happy with your job you can leave and find a new one. I don't want my work life dictated by a union. And I sure as hell don't want to cough up 2% of my salary to pay them to do it.

TLDR; Unions have their place, but it's not in IT

Re:No

[Pascoea]

Unions are not all bad. They gave us the weekend, 40 hour weeks, vacations, holidays, sick leave, got our kids out of the coal mines, gave us worker's comp. Read Upton Sinclair's book. You will appreciate unions again.

And most of those are guaranteed by laws now, not unions. As I said above, I am 100% pro union. But unfortunately, they have rested on their laurels of "this is what we did for you at the beginning of last century" for too long, and the non-union shops are starting to eat their lunch.

Re:No

[Anonymous Coward]

Umm...nope.

Union member, SEIU 521 of California. Professional software developer with a CompSci degree.

Worked in private industry for 20 years. It's a beast. Now I work for County government in NorCal, writing mission-critical code for public safety systems.

It's the best job I've ever head, and the union protects and defends me on a regular basis. NEGOTIATED PERIODIC SCHEDULED MANDATORY PAY RAISES. Need I say more?

Re:No

[painandgreed]

They don't make sense in desk jobs. If you don't like your job, get better at it and find another one.

Bullshit. It's all about trying to protect yourself from bad management. Our IT group tried unionization. It was led by the two ex-military Rush Limbaugh listening Republicans because they were the ones that our boss wanted to show up early and stay late, and cancel their scheduled family vacations at the last minute to suit the manager's whim. And those were just the straws that broke the camels back so to speak. They had do a good job, like their jobs, were here before the manager, and didn't want their retirement messed up by leaving. Luckily the manager was forced out, not because of all the numerous work violations he committed which were reported to HR, but because he made enemies of other management. Once he was gone, there was no more need for unionization as the next manager was decent. Talking with the older managers that do work over the unionized staff, it was the same case that caused their unionization. too much of managers expecting people to jump just because they say so instead of having clear rules for people to do their work. Even the managers who caused the issues said that things work so much better under the unions who forced those rules to be made, than they'd never go back to the way things were.

Re:No

[Anonymous Coward]

about three weeks ago, I talked to an Indian, getting paid 20k, for a job he was being billed at 60k, for a job that normally is 120k.

I talked to him, on his second job.

Your a fucking moron if it you think it isn't time to unionize tech.

Not just the American workers, but the cheap labor they're importing to blockbust American labor.

Life Hack!

[Anonymous Coward]

I increased my income by doing more work outside of my main job... doing different stuff for different people.

if your day job isn't enough its time for a change

[Anonymous Coward]

People make decisions in life and then bitch about the consequences. I'm sick of it. I have no issue with people bitching about things government and others force down there throat for which they have no control over- because well- you can't do much about it usually even if there is a bastion of hope to fix things over in NH or you are working on fixing things.

But otherwise you should stop blaming other people for your poor decisions. If you can't afford rent/housing with your day job you made a poor decision *somewhere*. It's that simple. Maybe it was having kids before you were financially ready. Maybe it was taking a job in an area where you would never be able to afford to purchase a house. Maybe it was getting training or education for a career that had an oversupply of labor and too little demand to negotiate a sufficient salary.

Whatever it was it's your own failings and nobody else's unless government somehow created that situation. And I'll give you it is often government that causes these problem through regulations that fuck up the free market and result in under supply for things like housing (what do you think is going to happen when you make it near impossible to build new housing???? or put caps on rent... of course nobody is going to build new housing because they can't recoup the investment).

Fortunately in America at least if you are over 18 you can take responsibility for yourself to one degree or another and look into moving somewhere else that doesn't have as abusive of a government (ie stealing your wealth / causing insane market conditions that make everything unaffordable, etc), going back to school, giving your kids up for adoption (look, I'm not necessarily recommending that one, but it's an option if you were stupid enough to have them without properly planning for your future), etc.

This is an American thing, mind you.

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm from Germany, and around here, nobody even knows that you guys apparently work two, three, or even four jobs, just to stay afloat.
And quite frankly, it shocks us a bit.

Around here, having to work 8-12 and 13-17 for a 40 hour week, for a single job, with 28 days of paid holidays and of course health care, is already considered a bit much. We have mothers working 20 hours a week, and getting a lot more days of paid holidays, full overtime compensation (with a legal cap on allowed overtime), an 1.5 extra months of pay for Christmas and summer holiday, and of course getting paid time when they have a baby, here.

You're getting leeched dry, and massively ripped-off, from our standpoint.
And it seems you can't even collectively say no, because you yourselves have been trained to believe, that you teaming up too, to use your own market force, to balance the market, aka a union, is somehow bad. Which seems to go back to Rockefeller and his Mafia spreading propaganda, inserting false flag agents provocateurs, and literally murdering people to prevent said balancing of the market. (Corporations wanting a free market, my ass!)
And because even if you managed to say no, they would just move everything to another country where that shit still flies.

I feel bad, that I don't know what I can do, to improve the situation for you guys.
I can only offer to come here. But I'm afraid we currently got a nasty infection with fascists, just like you guys, and Nazis on top of it. So our situation might not last much longer either. :/

Re: This is an American thing, mind you.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, we understand you feel that way. But that is because you are a commie loser who doesn't understand the incredible ambition of real Americans, neatly all of whom are merely temporarily inconvenienced billionaires just waiting to get a big piece of that Trump kickback. We little people will get kids any day now. Any day. He promised once he got rid of the darkies and heathens that we real American White Christians could stick it to the others instead if turning the other cheek like a pussy. The fact that you couldn't be a hundred percent sure I was sarcastic until now shies how bad it is in a certain areas.

I blame our gerrymandered system and electoral college, which has allowed 19% of the voters to control 54% of national government.

I often wonder what I'm doing...

[roc97007]

I have a day job in IT and have a photography business primarily for evenings and weekends. (Weekends for shoots and evenings to retouch photos and manage the business.) I typically burn up about half my vacation each year covering events for which I sell the photos. I love my photography work; I tolerate my IT work.

The photography business pays for itself, barely. I make enough money to pay for equipment, maintenance and repair, and the website where I sell my photos. I have a fantasy of supporting myself on photography when I retire from IT. But I don't know how realistic that really is.

I don't sleep much. Watching TV is a special treat, not a nightly occurrence.

I often ask myself why do I do it? Working two jobs is definitely not making me rich. Things would be so much easier if I could work a regular job, go home and watch TV for a couple hours, and then get a good night's sleep. Spend my vacation at some resort ogling the beach bunnies instead of out in a field trying not to step in horse poo.

But then I look at photos of breathtaking scenes and heartbreakingly beautiful women (I don't call them "breathtaking photos" because that seems arrogant) and it all seems worth it.

So I think the answer is, there's things you have to make the effort to do, or learn to live with the regret. I've chosen to make the effort.

Re:I often wonder what I'm doing...

[PsychoSlashDot]

Working two jobs is definitely not making me rich.

From your description, you're not working two jobs. You have a job, and you have a hobby that pays its own expenses. That's totally legit, and a choice, and it's great that you get to do that.

Re:I often wonder what I'm doing...

[R3d M3rcury]

It's a good point.

The examples I saw weren't necessarily people doing two jobs as much as having a job that supports them and another job that they enjoy. Singing, photography, acting, etc. While I can think of plenty of actors who wait tables, a friend of mine on Wall Street had an assistant who was an aspiring actor. He made pretty good money working as an assistant but his passion was acting. The job was such that he could manage to take a few hours off during the day to go to auditions and the like.

Re:I often wonder what I'm doing...

[microTodd]

Don't keep me in suspense...what's your photography company's website?

Re:I often wonder what I'm doing...

[Kjella]

From your description, you're not working two jobs. You have a job, and you have a hobby that pays its own expenses. That's totally legit, and a choice, and it's great that you get to do that.

I think that's a rather unfair characterization of amateurs who doesn't make enough money to quit their day job but who's really trying to go pro. It's highly unlikely that anyone will hire a photographer at professional rates without a good portfolio, practically nobody jumps from not getting paid at all to a living wage. If he's just doing the gigs he wants with the income as a bonus that's a hobby. If he's genuinely trying to make a profit it's a business, even if it's not very successful yet. I mean most photographers don't get paid at all...

Re:I often wonder what I'm doing...

[Anonymous Coward]

Negative, hobby expenses are not tax deductible. If he operates it as a business then it is.

Re:I often wonder what I'm doing...

[Anonymous Coward]

Same/similar story here.

I don't see the photographer gig a as a regular "job"; at least not one that pays or can make money (luckily the IT "real world" job is enough to pay the bills... and then some). Hard to many any money (if making money was the issue, I'd drive Uber! or Lyft!), especially now that the freaking "social media" has made it ok to violate copyright in the name of "fair use".

However, the side gig is a great stress relief from the grinding pressure of the IT world. Some would call it hobby, but the photography I do requires a degree of professionalism. It's not optional. But I enjoy it. And colleagues/friends that know my "gig" envy me (that I don't care, but it tells me it's a desirable gig). The hope is there that it will become some kind of business when I retire from the IT job...

Re:I often wonder what I'm doing...

[Anonymous Coward]

Being in more or less the same boat you are, it's been my experience that the only "professional photographers" have trust funds or are otherwise independently wealthy. There's no way to make livable income on it.

Re:I often wonder what I'm doing...

[roc97007]

I do operate it as a business. I pay income tax on sales and take equipment off as capital expenses.

Re:I often wonder what I'm doing...

[roc97007]

Don't keep me in suspense...what's your photography company's website?

Can I post that here? I thought Slashdot frowned on commercial promotion?

Re:Funny how family/friends time trade-off isn't m

[roc97007]

I suppose nowadays a big f*ck you to family/friends quality time is the norm.

...or maybe your kids have their own lives, and your wife is glued to the TV. And maybe your friends are the people you meet doing your second business.

Re:if your day job isn't enough its time for a cha

[thePsychologist]

But otherwise you should stop blaming other people for your poor decisions. If you can't afford rent/housing with your day job you made a poor decision *somewhere*.

This isn't about a job not offering enough money. It's about intellectual satisfaction. Even as a STEM researcher which in itself is fun, I still like to pursue other more artistic activities that make money just because I have the drive and curiosity to do so.

Re:SAW SAUDI OPENING FOR KILL TEAM LEADER

[Anonymous Coward]

Take a hike Ivan

If we had universal health care

[Anonymous Coward]

Everyone could pursue their passions and not have to have a main corporate gig. Ask most people why they need to work for a large company. My guess would be that they need the benefits and primarily health coverage.

Re:If we had universal health care

[Anonymous Coward]

Everyone could pursue their passions and not have to have a main corporate gig. Ask most people why they need to work for a large company. My guess would be that they need the benefits and primarily health coverage.

And the corporations would be out of business because they wouldn't have the underpaid, overworked serfs to fight for the scraps left over by senior management.

Re: c6gunner IMPERSONATING me again?

[Anonymous Coward]

Um, why would c6gunner impersonate you and attack himself in the same post? It just doesn't make any sense. It's far more likely that you're lying, pretending to be impersonated, and just generally being a jackass like you always are.

Here are the real facts:

1) You're an offtopic spammer.

2) Your hosts file software is inefficient, worthless crap, just like its author. You vastly overstate its capabilities. If you were selling the piece of shit, you'd be engaging in fraud for promising users security that you know your software can't provide.

3) You haven't been employed in over a decade. You claim to do consulting work, but are incapable of holding a steady job. No employer wants someone as toxic as you.

4) You lived in your parents' basement for decades.

5) Your parents eventually gave you a gift by selling their house to you for $1.

6) Your house is crap. The property value is very low because it's poorly maintained and was never a good house to begin with. Just looking at it on Google street view shows what a piece of shit it is.

7) You're obsessed with Slashdot and spend your days spamming the hell out of this site with useless garbage.

8) You're stalking and harassing c6gunner just like you've done with many other users over the years.

9) You constantly engage in self aggrandizement because you're a fraud just like your software.

Grow up. You're 54. It's time to act your age and show some maturity.

I'm like every other guy

[Anonymous Coward]

Sometimes I throw on a dress and head down to the wharf. I can meet a few sailors and collect a few dollars on the side. It's good honest work...

A slightly less romantic view

[Anonymous Coward]

Yet another example of smart people with not enough to do. As robots take over more and more jobs we may see this affect those with less remunerative jobs.

Been there, done that

[Jfetjunky]

I worked a full day time job behind a desk as an engineer. By night I was a fabricator/welder at a race shop. I enjoy engineering, but I wasn't satisfied with what I was doing and losing my mind not making things with my hands anymore. Since I grew up around racing it was a natural fit.

Before my wife had a serious talk with me, I was doing at least 12 hours and growing on weekdays, a full day Saturday, and helping at races on Sundays some weekends. Truth be told, I was eating it up. I don't do well sitting around. But in the balance of priorities it had to go.

I've since switched to metal working (machining, welding, scraping, etc) in my garage at home. Lets me get out some of the desires, but a more sane pace...

Re:Been there, done that

[Anonymous Coward]

Programmer here with a machine shop in the garage to make race car parts.
I race in Lucky Dog Racing League and 24 Hours of Lemons, it's a fun hobby and not too expensive.
My wife knows where I am and calls me when she needs some of my time.

You're so "BRAVE" (not) UNIDENTIFIABLE ac)

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject (for starters) & @ least I own my own home (you don't obviously - prove otherwise (ought to be interesting seeing Anonymous COWARD on a deed, lol)). Too many others DISAGREE w/ you STUPID (proof here) https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... lol & I SHOT YOU TO BITS on your bullshit "points" (fucked up ones) EASILY too https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

c6gunner DID impersonate me https://linux.slashdot.org/com... using posts of mine & TWISTING /.ers quotes PRAISING MY WORK https://it.slashdot.org/commen... in my original post there.

THAT IS A CONCRETE, VERIFIABLE & UNDENIABLE FACT above!

* I didn't live w/ my parents for DECADES (only till I was 18 & for about 2 months after college & then I went to work all over the east coast US as a software engineer/programmer-analyst/network engineer) - you're SO full of LIES it's not funny!

APK

P.S.=> Lastly - you're the one "OBSESSED" w/ ME chump - look @ the LIES you try spread & for what? The FACT I kicked your WANNABE ASS in those discussion links above (& TONS more before it)?? Please - grow up, accept defeat & that I AM YOUR SUPERIOR on EVERY LEVEL you DEFECTIVE psycho STALKING me... apk

Re: You're so "BRAVE" (not) UNIDENTIFIABLE ac)

[Anonymous Coward]

I never made any claims about home ownership, nor do I intend to. It's irrelevant to this discussion.

I wouldn't care that you lived in your parents' basement or that you bought your house from them for $1, except for one issue. Not only do you engage in self aggrandizement but you use that to attack others and tear them down. If you're going to brag about yourself for the purpose of saying you're better than everyone else, you'd better be telling the truth about yourself. Instead, you omitted key details and outright lied about others. You attack others, yet you've been exposed as a fraud.

Again, I haven't claimed anything about myself, nor do I go around putting people down for no reason. My life and whether I'm successful are completely irrelevant to this discussion. The issue is you brag about yourself and use those falsehoods as a weapon to attack others. It's time to take that weapon away and expose you for the fraud you are.

Don't like it? Too bad. Perhaps you should have been civil toward others. Not being a spammer would have helped, too.

cancel mod

[godel_56]

post to undo mod

Mr. Impersonator of me: Still sore?

[Anonymous Coward]

Mr. Impersonator of me: Still sore from the ASS-KICKING I gave you here https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... & https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... + https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... too?

YES, obviously - lol, your "effete revenge" was DOWNMODS I ran you DRY of as always!

After you tried VAINLY to "downmod" HIDE all of that is showing here & UNDENIABLE https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... LITERALLY (I just reposted to NULLIFY your 'wannabe weapon' NEUTRALIZING it & EXPOSING YOU LOSING to me, lol!).

APK

P.S.=> I love it - especially seeing u REDUCED to TRYING to LIE about me (or LIBEL me) as you IMPERSONATE me (proving you WISH you were me, but you're INFERIOR imitation (& just plain INFERIOR on ALL levels))... apk

c6gunner IMPERSONATING me again?

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: his FAKEname on a post impersonating me https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & altering /.er's words.

c6gunner tried to mock me 1st https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

So I challenge c6gunner to show he did better work than mine & he CAN'T!

YOU DEMAND PROOF of others here?

"I've yet to see you provide any evidence of that." by c6gunner on Monday March 15, 2010 @10:02PM (#31490942) ?

So now I DEMAND IT OF YOU & YOU FAIL!

c6gunner = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!

* c6gunner's LYING saying I did a MacOS X one - I haven't yet & c6gunner's LYING impersonating me saying hosts work vs. Intel CPU issues (spectre/meltdown).

APK

P.S.=> You say hosts = shit here https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?

FACTS: /.ers & security pros + RESULTS say DIFFERENT:

1st: /.ers https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments....

2nd: SECURITY PROS https://slashdot.org/comments....

3rd: REAL RESULTS w/ hosts vs. threats https://slashdot.org/comments....

EAT YOUR WORDS!

Re:c6gunner IMPERSONATING me again?

[Anonymous Coward]

Quit spamming you collossal faggot, you're just shitting things up and making a jackass of yourself.

NO WE DO NOT. Plz not another FBook.

[Anonymous Coward]

I am in a musiic band of my own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBRmKk8T9-c

I am not THAT Mr Chase the necrophiliac but I do some BSD programming and Slashdot posting from time to time when Im not managing Power arch rackmounts and bitcoin BEOWulf Clusters.

How sad is it we need 'side hustles' to survive?

[Rick Schumann]

Most people who have second jobs don't do it to be 'creative', they're doing it because employers are screwing everyone over and the price of everything keeps going up and up regardless. You try to explain to them that what you were paid 4 or 5 years ago isn't going anywhere near as far today as it did then, and you get a blank stare. It's not right.

The one percenters don't have this advantage

[Anonymous Coward]

Sad but true - the rich simply don't get to experience the joy of juggling multiple jobs to pay off loans, buy food or pay rent or daycare or medical bills.

Make wage gaps great again.

Does posting comments on Slashdot a side hustle?

[k6mfw]

eom

Interested in a job?

[raymorris]

--
IT is an essential need that's constantly getting screwed by C-level decision-making reducing benefits, lengthening hours and generally ensuring we're moving closer to wage-slavery with each passing month.
--

You sound like the kind of person I'd LOVE to work with!
Looking for a job?

Re: Interested in a job?

[astrofurter]

You prefer to work with ostriches?

Just keep you head stuck firmly in the sand and sing "la la la!!". If you do, proletarianization and globalization can't touch you!

Re:c6gunner IMPERSONATING me again?

[Anonymous Coward]

c6gunner you shouldn't impersonate apk altering good things slashdot users said of apk's program https://linux.slashdot.org/com... making a fool of yourself and proving you can't do as good a job of programming as apk has when he challenged you to show you did better and you ran https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

This all got ridiculous

[kaatochacha]

When Uber started advertising "Side Hustle", as if working 24 hours a day at two or three jobs was sorta cool.
It's not.

It's Called A Second Job

[Anonymous Coward]

but in the era of the side hustle

It's not a "side hustle" it's a second job. Stop trying to glamourize the idea of working oneself to death.

Re:How sad is it we need 'side hustles' to survive

[Anonymous Coward]

It doesn't matter what you used to make. I've worked with a lot of guys who have told me how they used to earn a lot more money. Not a single one of them was worth the new lower wage that they were complaining about. God only knows who they blew to get the old job that paid them more.

Except one big thing

[Anonymous Coward]

Employment contracts these days typically lay claim to any IP you create on your off time, too.

LOL @ this bitch

[Anonymous Coward]

senior vice president of engineering - this is like 200k/year easily + bonuses.
This bitch can suck my fat chode, she doesn't represent shit and probably does 1hour of real work per day that's why she has the energy to do a bunch of crap outside work. Fucking cunt.

Yes you did calling my home a dump etc. liar

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes you did calling my home a dump etc. in #4/5 here liar https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

So - where's YOUR OWN HOME you OWN fully paid for & keep taxes current on as I do?

ANSWER = It's not.

You're a "penniless the CLOWN" loser. Prove otherwise liar.

FACT: Just as now, I get attacked w/ LIES & LIBEL 1st & TEAR YOU LITLLE "Weezilthals" APART EASILY afterward for your LIES & LIBEL with facts (see above).

APK

P.S.=> "WeezilThal the WORTHLESS" - that's you, & you KNOW it, hence your UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous "brave" STALKING me, lol... apk

Re: Yes you did calling my home a dump etc. liar

[Anonymous Coward]

You're a compulsive liar.

It's obvious that c6gunner's "impersonation" is actually a parody of one of your spam posts. You know it's a parody and so does everyone else. It's dishonest to misrepresent obvious parody as impersonation. Every time you claim that c6gunner impersonated you, you're lying.

You've also been quoting BronsCon in your posts once again. While BronsCon did, indeed, post the words you attribute to him, you're still being dishonest by quoting him now. A few months ago, we'll after your original quote, BronsCon told you he had changed his opinion about your software and could no longer recommend it. He specifically requested that you stop quoting him to suggest that he endorsed your software. BronsCon withdrew his endorsement and you know it. The fact that you have resumed quoting him as if he currently endorses your software is absolutely dishonest. You're knowingly and willfully misrepresenting his opinion of your software. That is lying.

That list of quotes is mostly taken out of context where you've identified one tiny snippet where someone said something positive about your software. You conveniently don't include links to the original posts. Most of those posts are either critical of your software in other respects or critical of your behavior. You are selectively omitting facts, which is tantamount to lying. Some of those users have criticized you for vastly overstating the capabilities of your software, which also constitutes lying. You've claimed that hosts does port filtering, something that is demonstrably false, yet you stand by your claim. That, too, is lying.

You've claimed that c6gunner said "hosts are shit", which is also a lie. He said your hosts file is shit, but he did not say what you accused him of. You deliberately misrepresented his words, which is yet another lie on your part.

You claimed that you've owned your house for over a decade and had it fully paid off. That, too, is both misleading and false. You failed to mention that your house was effectively a gift from your parents, sold to you for $1. You also bought the house from them on October 14, 2010, so you most certainly have not owned it for over a decade. If the house has been paid off for over a decade, which you've implied, you weren't making those payments. Your parents owned the house and were making the payments, something you've selectively omitted. Once again, you've been caught being dishonest and, at least on some details, outright lying.

You are a compulsive liar. Come back when you can start telling the truth. Come back when you can stop lying about yourself for the purpose of bludgeoning others. Grow up.

Scott Manley

[Anonymous Coward]

Known as a space and science youtuber, he also has a day job as a software dev.

Re: Scott Manley

[Anonymous Coward]

Yea, but he strikes me as doing that mostly for passion / interest in the subject (ie a hobby) I think rather than as an actual job,

When your day job isn't enough

[Anonymous Coward]

It means you are a millennial who has not earned the right to a higher salary. The notion that you should be a CEO earning six or seven figures while sipping burned coffee from the local millennial haunt in your paid for house with a Hummer parked out front was always a lie. You are exactly where you are supposed to be for your age and at your experience level. When you are legitimately worth more, believe me, someone will be happy to pay you for it. Sitting around crying is not the road to get you there. It might also help to leave The Bay or NYC, which are also a big fat lie. There's no such thing as a free lunch, kids, whatever your negligent parents may have brought you up to believe.

Re:How sad is it we need 'side hustles' to survive

[Anonymous Coward]

So basically you're just passive-aggressively attacking that guy you're responding to, calling him a worthless hack? Meanwhile your shit doesn't stink?

Me too

[Anonymous Coward]

Once I'm done with my day job I masturbate and sleep. Doesn't pay much, but it's my passion.

CAPTCHA: retard (I shit you not)

So THAT's why the USA wages ALL the wars!

[Anonymous Coward]

Because their fake-friendly/-cheerful smile-or-die social behaviour suppresses the highest aggressiveness of any society known on this planet, and they need to vent it somewhere...

There's nothing new about this.

[Mal-2]

Exhibit A: Brian May, forced to choose between his astrophysics doctorate and his career with Queen, didn't go back for that doctorate for several decades.

Exhibit B: Tom Scholz, electrical engineer from MIT. Also multi-instrumentalist and founding member of Boston. He had to be convinced to market his (ultimately successful) Rockman product line, because he thought it would distract from his musical aspirations.

Exhibit C: Tom Lehrer. He ultimately walked away from a successful "novelty music" career to return exclusively to academia.

News flash!

[Berkyjay]

This has been going on since jobs were invented. It continues to amuse me how often tech workers think they pioneered most of the shit they're doing.

Re:News flash!

[Anonymous Coward]

ignorance is bliss?

Re:News flash!

[hfox]

Not tech workers. Millennials. Just like they think they invented roommates, renting out you house, hitchhiking, ...

And "side hustle". What is this, prison?

Re:News flash!

[Berkyjay]

You're right! I stand corrected.

tried this once

[mapkinase]

Working 12 hours a day is not for everyone. In several months i earned about 20K (I did not work 12 hours), I became a nervous wreck.

Re:How sad is it we need 'side hustles' to survive

[Anonymous Coward]

Most people who have second jobs don't do it to be 'creative', they're doing it because employers are screwing everyone over and the price of everything keeps going up and up regardless.

No, they don't. Should probably stop listening to Ocasionally Coherentez there, sport.

Are you BLIND, STUPID or just LYING?

[Anonymous Coward]

LYING again I see! c6gunner "registered 'lusername'"'s on this post SIGNING "APK" here https://linux.slashdot.org/com... after he COPIED MY ORIGINAL POST to TWIST /.er's words of PRAISE directed MY WAY for my program -> https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

P.S.=> YOU LOSE & that's why you STALK ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" you are, lol - penniless the CLOWN = you... apk

Re: Are you BLIND, STUPID or just LYING?

[Anonymous Coward]

Accusing c6gunner of impersonating you and intentionally conflating impersonation with parody is disingenuous. We all know his post was a parody of your comments. Pretending otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

What I quote from others is what they said

[Anonymous Coward]

What I quote from others is what they said - period (& it's easily verifiable https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...) & they said they LIKE &/or USE my work praising it.

* DO ANY OF OUR /. PEERS SAY THAT ABOUT YOUR WORK you UNIDENTIFIABLE truly cowardly ANONYMOUS WEEZIL?

Hell no, lol - yours DOES NOT EVEN EXIST (because you're a LAZY undereducated UNSKILLED "ne'er-do-well" lol).

APK

P.S.=> You can't STAND I can say the above to you, lol & you KNOW it constantly PROVING it (yours IS the province of the LOSER, the hubris of the SELF-defeated - lmao)... apk

Re: What I quote from others is what they said

[Anonymous Coward]

BronsCon told you that he could no longer recommend your software and requested that you stop using his name and previous quote to endorse your software. It's dishonest that you continue to use his old quote and represent it as reflecting his current opinion of your software.

Your quotes are generally snippets of longer comments that you've taken out of context. You provide no links for the reader to see the context or verify the authenticity of the quotes. That is dishonest of you.

c6gunner did say my hosts file sucks? Ok

[Anonymous Coward]

"Please go explain to APK that his hosts files are total shit" by c6gunner ( 950153 ) on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:28AM (#57326318) FROM https://slashdot.org/comments....

My hosts file is the BEST POSSIBLE ONE (as it's composed of all other reputable reliable ones & then even more from security articles - my program for it's UNQUESTIONABLY the best of its kind, doing more like hardcoded favs (both speed & security) + tld/gTLD validity checks - no other does & mine's ONLY 1 in GUI on the *NIX platform afaik) - & ?

TONS of /.ers, REAL RESULTS of hosts efficacy, & SECURITY PROS https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... prove me righter than RAIN vs. LITERALY nobodies (you as UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous & c6gunner FAKENAME, lol) like "your kind"... lol!

* HE or YOU have done BETTER WORK?

APK

P.S=> LOL, answer to that question above IS a resounding "NO" & why? You're STUPID, undereducated UNSKILLED & LAZY "ne'er-do-wells" & trolls, nothing more lol... apk

Re: c6gunner did say my hosts file sucks? Ok

[Anonymous Coward]

Neither my work nor c6gunner's work is material to this conversation and you know it. That's a red herring and continuing to trot that fallacy out is dishonest of you. Neither c6gunner nor I have claimed to develop better hosts file software than you, so we aren't being dishonest. Any work that c6gunner I have done is completely and utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

It's your opinion that your hosts file software is the best available. It is not a statement of fact, and seeing that you're biased toward your own work, you're in no position to render an impartial and reasonable judgment on the quality of hosts file software. You agree that c6gunner specifically criticized your software, yet you continue to deliberately misrepresent his statement. That is also dishonest.

On MY home? You're a compulsive LOSER

[Anonymous Coward]

I do own my home fully paid off - do you? My home was a gift making good on a promise my folks made me as a kid to payoff my schooling IF I got good grades (which I did & I did well in athletics too becoming a 1st string athlete in college for a soon to be NATIONAL POWER in their division) - they did not make good on it with GOOD reason:

They thought they'd have to pay for my bro (who initially in elementary school wasn't doing well so they worried on it) who was born 10 yrs. after me!

SURPRISE - he got scholarship to Syracuse U (for good grades & is a field-grade commander in the US Military, Bronze Star winner too (Lt. Col iirc))!

In the end? Hey - no biggie: They gave me a deal on the home I worked on for them (solid)) for decades. Good house.

QUESTION for you JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" alias PENNILESS THE CLOWN (lol):

WHAT HOME DO YOU OWN FULLY PAID OFF AS I DO FOR MORE THAN A DECADE AS I HAVE EVEN UPGRADING IT AS I HAVE?

You'll RUN from proving that IF you say you do, as always, JUST like you RUN from me OR hide from me as you STALK me by your UNIDENTIFIABLE "brave" (lmao - not) ANONYMOUS posts!

APK

P.S.=> ANSWER = YOU, Jealous "Lil' Jowie" (hahaha) DON'T (as you're PENNILESS the CLOWN, lmao)... apk

Re:On MY home? You're a compulsive LOSER

[Anonymous Coward]

Not the previous parent but I've told you before I own my house and unlike you I didn't live in my parents basement until they sold it to me well below market. My house is worth over double your dump's assessed value. I also own recreational property, a quarter quarter with over 500' of shoreline on a private lake that is mostly upland hardwoods, that is worth 3x what you claim to have paid for your shithole. All free and clear. I also have several possessions worth 2 to 3 times what you claim to have paid for your squaled hell hole in the ghetto of Syracuse. Any proof I would provide you would disclaim because you can't accept facts and are detached from reality. Also I am 18 years younger than you and didn't have to go into debt for college as I worked and paid my own way unlike you, yet you were in college when it was cheap. Face it your accomplishments are nothing compared to actual success. That is why you have to spam your toy program because like you, it is worthless.

If my side gig turned lucrative....

[maxcelcat]

If my side gig turned out to be able to support me, I'd gleefully run from my "Career"!

Re:c6gunner IMPERSONATING me again?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why don't you go fist your own asshole instead. It would be a more productive use of your time and make slashdot a better place.

work all time

[Angga.permana]

I think he will die at the office not at home or anywhere else lol :D

Re:Funny how family/friends time trade-off isn't m

[Interfacer]

I have family time as well, normally every evening. We eat together and sped time together.

But outside that, every free minute goes into my blade smith hobby which turned into a side business long before FiF became a thing.
I have a large network of friends around the world that I talk to / communicate with on a daily basis. There are yearly events I travel to to meet with them and hang out in real life. Some of my best real life friends live on a different continent and I try to visit them or meet up when it is possible.

My oldest child has always been interested in knife making, and has started learning to forge things and make things in my shop. My youngest has her own tool box and often spends time with me in the shop, hammering nails into pieces of wood to write names and hearts and stuff like that. They love hanging out in my shop and doing creative things. And my wife isn't the huggy feeling person needing constant attention. We have our time together mostly during the weekend.

There really aren't any jobs

[raymorris]

You're right.

Btw, if you hear the rumors that are going around out in California, talking about the high-paying jobs and low cost of living in Texas, thry aren't true. There on the coast, you may hear of people who just graduated with IT degrees who can easily afford a 2,000 square foot house. It's not true, thing are way better in California, so stay there. Texas is actually nothing but proletarianization.

" Any readers who have never used the word "proletarianization" as an excuse are welcome to contact me - we're hiring.

Re: There really aren't any jobs

[Anonymous Coward]

Hire me, cpp, ml, gfx, will direct, want growth.

Re: There really aren't any jobs

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, as someone who lived in Californiafor 20 years and left to go to Texas, things are generally cheaper, housing is significantly cheaper, and it come with a 10% pay raise because Cukifornia double taxes it's people. Also people are more "integrated" and there's no laws forcing it. Which tells me progressive California is a segregated state which tries to force integration. Funny how a conservative state is more progressed than a "progressive" state.

Also, I have an IT desk job and a full time family. I would be pissed if IT unionized, but that's because I can advance on my own merits, and the work life balance is hard, but not impossible. I don't need some cancerous-soyboy-do-nothing-cuk working with me, holding back the company with Union-unfireable-whineyness.

Re: There really aren't any jobs

[Anonymous Coward]

And you are white. And you voted Trump. And you are a moron.

Re:There really aren't any jobs

[Anonymous Coward]

Despite the fact that Texans are leaving in droves to move to California, that is. I kinda prefer making $600k a year from the software developers cooperative though. No C-levels to worry about at all, and we get 100% of the value we produce. Good times!

Re: There really aren't any jobs

[Anonymous Coward]

You can't get proletarianized if you were never a professional to begin with.

Re:Funny how family/friends time trade-off isn't m

[Anonymous Coward]

And my wife isn't the huggy feeling person needing constant attention. We have our time together mostly during the weekend.

I understand that you get it that it is not typical wife behaviour. You could consider yourself lucky, maybe. I myself like more the huggy type and it's perks... but hobby time will take a hit.

Prove it... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Now, prove you own your own home you UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous fool. Let's see you prove all you said.

APK

P.S.=> ANYONE can talk - NOW, prove it... apk

Re: Prove it... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not the same AC you replied to. However, since you demand proof, you need to prove that you maintained your parents' house for a long time while they owned it. You also need to prove that you made $35 of improvements after purchasing the house from your parents. Where's your proof? I see no reason to take your word when you've repeatedly demonstrated your dishonesty in a variety of matters.

Take your own advice Forrest... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Take your own advice Forrest & keep RUNNING from proof here I ask for https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

* "Forrest" CHUMP = you, lol!

APK

P.S.=> "Run, Forrest - RUN!!!"... apk

Why is a "part time job" now called "side hustle"?

[urbanriot]

Non-millennial requiring a bit of an education here: for the past couple years I've been hearing younger people in their 20's and early 30's refer to a part time job as a 'side hustle'; Why the name change? Or is it not a name change and they've simply given a term for a job that isn't receiving the same participation level, the same effort as a part time job would? When I think of 'side hustle' I think of some dude dealing adirol on the side for some extra cash.

Or perhaps it's the same thing but millennials renamed it so they weren't hysterically laughed at for referring to this era as the "era of the part time job", something everyone seemed to have back in the 80's after their day job.

Re:Why is a "part time job" now called "side hustl

[jtmach]

I think originally it was meant to convey running a small freelance business out of your home, or something less formal than a normal part time job.
Think writing blog posts, or driving for Uber just on the occasions that you've got nothing better to do.

She drops beats? Not much of a drummer ...

[Anonymous Coward]

"drops beats". When I play drums, if I drop a beat(very rare, but) the rest of the players notice. Yeah, so do I, tho I get back on quick.
  The post says it like it's acceptable to drop a beat. If she's not a musician, how does this work?

Re:She drops beats? Not much of a drummer ...

[Anonymous Coward]

You know god damned well what the fuck it means when a rapper says "drop a beat". All you wanted to do was be passive-aggresively racist. Fuck off.

Re:Why is a "part time job" now called "side hustl

[Whorhay]

When I was a kid it was commonly called a "side job". At some point it was called "moonlighting" although I think that also implied it was a secret you were keeping from your primary employer.

Re:Funny how family/friends time trade-off isn't m

[Interfacer]

It has it's pro's and cons.

On the plus side, she is very practical and pragmatic. And she is perfectly ok with me spending (some of) my evenings in the shop without being upset.
On the flip side, if I want to be hugged, I have to ask for one. And then internally she is probably counting 'one Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi' and we're done. Last time I bought a surprise box of expensive chocolates, her reaction was 'I didn't really have a need for this, but ok...'

As I said, there are good sides and bad sides to having a partner who is very practical.

Re:in gop 2020 jail / ER will be the public option

[wyHunter]

Rather like the gulag option the Democrats offer.

Re:Why is a "part time job" now called "side hustl

[urbanriot]

Hmm I really have to scratch my brain on this one... I do recall 'moonlighting' as a term but I don't think it was popular outside of the TV show and people seemed to use it more to describe a night time job they didn't want others to know about like working at a gas station or fast food. I think "side job" was popular back then too but more connoted to a job that might at some point surpass one's primary job. Or maybe not...? Some people did say 'night job' too. Heck, now that I think of it maybe no one actually said "part time job" back then and that was more of a late 90's / 2000's term.

Correct: "your work" doesn't exist

[Anonymous Coward]

Correct: "your work" doesn't exist: It's "notware"/"hotairware"/"wannabeware" & you give ME guff & I writes ware folks like/use/praise?

* You're so FULL of BULLSHIT & blowhards the lot of you.

(ESPECIALLY since you STALK me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts constantly - you know you're worthless & NO SUBSTANCE)

APK

P.S.=> There's NO QUESTION my hosts file & program for producing it are BOTH the best possible available - especially when composed of all the best most reputable & reliable hosts files PLUS doing MORE than any "so-called 'competitor'" in hosts programs BY FAR + doing FAR MORE for FAR LESS for more speed/security/reliability vs. ANY single competitor out there (especially security issue riddled SLOW YOU DOWN many moving parts for exploit DNS/AntiVirus)... apk

Re: Correct: "your work" doesn't exist

[Anonymous Coward]

Neither c6gunner nor I have claimed to write any sort of hosts file software. No proof is required for claims that were never made to begin with. You are continuing to be intellectually dishonest. In fact, your constant demands of others to prove they've done better than you demonstrates that you're an incredibly insecure person. You're not confident in your accomplishments so you compensate by trying to tear others down.

Hahahaha YOU RAN "Forrest" (knew it)... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject & ANYONE can look into realestate OR tax records (both public information) to see I own https://mobile.slashdot.org/co...

* You keep HIDING & proving my point for me that you're just an UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous TROLL who STALKS me constantly on /.!

YOU LOSE as always.

APK

P.S.=> I don't have to prove SQUAT to you after that link above - I'm not afraid to say where I live (like you ARE & I doubt you own a damn thing & you ought to be afraid - your STALKING me has you in DEEP SHIT & you know it)... apk

Re: Hahahaha YOU RAN "Forrest" (knew it)... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

And you continue to be dishonest. Nobody is cchallenging whether you own your home. In fact, you bought it from your parents for $1 on October 14, 2010. Instead, you are being asked to prove that you maintained the house prior to purchasing it and that you invested $35k in improvements after purchasing it. Your efforts to dodge the question are intellectually dishonest, which is becoming quite a recurring theme with your comments.

You're just plain dishonest... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: You STALK me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous & I challenged c6gunner to show better work vs. mine & he RAN (after you gave me shit attempting to mock me? Please - I do work others LIKE/USE/PRAISE, & you don't).

* I'm insecure? I'm not afraid to show what I've done as it's quite good & EFFECTIVE to give users more speed/security/reliability & even more anonymity online for FREE & for less resource use + moving parts for exploit than ANY other SINGLE "so-called 'solution'" - let's see YOU do that!

(Oh, that's right - you? Can't (but you sure "shoot off your pieholes" like the BLOWHARD WEASELS hiding from me that you are...)).

APK

P.S.=> No small wonder you HIDE behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous - you have no SUBSTANCE or ACCOMPLISHMENT of your OWN to be proud of (since you wasted your obviously WASTED "ne'er-do-well" lives)... apk

You are just plain dishonest... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: It's why you STALK me constantly behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts proving you're a "ne'er-do-well" who hasn't accomplished ANYTHING @ all apparently.

* HILARIOUS - you can't defeat me on technical points/issues (especially on hosts files' efficacy on giving users more speed/security/reliability & anonymity online & that users LIKE/USE/PRAISE my work for creating hosts) - so you TRY to use ILLOGICAL ad-hominem attacks (calling me names (all kinds), threatening me with pipe wrenches (has happened, lol), & PUTTING DOWN MY HOME I OWN & you obviously don't have one? Please - lol, you're a disgusting joke).

APK

P.S.=> No, I don't have to prove ANYTHING to you @ this point: YOU CONCEDE I am a HOMEOWNER & prove YOU ARE NOT (loser) - you REFUSE to make good on your end when challenged c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & that's REALLY all anyone needs to see... apk

Re: You are just plain dishonest... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Bitch, shut the fuck up before I come kick your sorry ass

Did BronsCon say this or not?

[Anonymous Coward]

Did BronsCon say this or not (yes or no) "I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good" - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

* YES or NO...

APK

P.S.=> He spoke well of my work - I'll quote that whenver I feel like it & you can't stop me - accept it. I'm not here to win a "popularity contest" - I'm here to JUST PLAIN WIN & I do (for everyone to win)... apk

c6gunner's name's on this post

[Anonymous Coward]

c6gunner's name's on this post SIGNED OFF as "APK" (that's impersonating me) https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & altering /.er's words & the only 'parody' is you FAKE NAME losers that STALK me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous along w/ your often DELUSIONAL FAKE NAMES online (pitiful).

* You're just PLAIN DISHONEST (yet you talk about ME being DISHONEST? That's a laugh, lol!).

APK

P.S.=> You're a LIVING PARODY (of what a man can be, & how LOW he can go).... apk

What IT / coders need is a Human Right Internet Co

[Phill Hugo]

What we need is a global online Human Right Internet Court and blockchained policy voting with crowd funding replacing taxes. Micro government for all, and distributed and redundant too! =} Ââ^Ââ

Zero for three

[raymorris]

You're batting zero for three so far. This is fun, want to guess some more?

bad troll is bad

[Anonymous Coward]

Gulag? I do believe the republicans are the ones running and pushing for-profit prisons. Republicans are also the ones who keep jailing people for "moral issue" shit like drugs.

Troll harder.

Yea, I saw the result of that (zero)... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: Zero from you big talker! I told you my address in response to the same bs from you https://mobile.slashdot.org/co... & you NEVER showed!

Kicking ass? You wouldn't know the 1st thing about it!

You're STILL BUTTHURT from the last ASS-KICKING I gave you here https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... & https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... + https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... on hosts files.

* RoTfLmAo...

APK

P.S.=> You LOSE on every level possible, as always, vs. "yours truly"... apk

I'm so glad I did. Best decision I ever made

[raymorris]

I owned my job and/or company for over 20 years.
Wow it's so nice to have OTHER PEOPLE, competent marketing professionals, doing the marketing now, so that I make a lot more money. It's so much less stress to let the accounting department handle the tax stuff, while I do what I'm good at.

Self-employed professionals have to file taxes at least six times per year. I did that for many years. Screw that. Not anymore.