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How the Finnish Survive Without Small Talk (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from the BBC: Finnish people often forgo the conversational niceties that are hard-baked into other cultures, and typically don't see the need to meet foreign colleagues, tourists and friends in the middle. As Tiina Latvala, a former English instructor in Sodankyla, Lapland, explained, part of her job was to introduce her young students to the concept of small talk. "We had a practice where you had to pretend to meet someone for the first time," Latvala said. "You had to pretend you were meeting at the cafe or on a bus and [that] you didn't know each other and do a bit of chit chat. We had written on the whiteboard all the safe topics so they didn't have to struggle with coming up with something to talk about. We brainstormed. They usually found it really difficult."

"[They're] about basic conversation," she explained. "The answers are already there. We are taught to answer 'I'm great, how about you?'; 'How is your mum?'. It was very clear how to be in a conversation, as if we didn't already know. It was very weird as if there were right answers to the questions." There are more hypotheses than answers for why Finnish culture has a veil of silence permanently stitched in place. Latvala believes their trademark directness has something to do with the complexity of the Finnish language and the fairly large distance between cities (Latvala's reasoning: If you've travelled any distance to see someone, why waste time?). [...] It isn't for lack of skill, for Finland has two national languages -- Finnish and Swedish -- and Finns begin English lessons when they're six or seven. But rather it's because when faced with expressing themselves in second (or third) language, many often choose to not say anything rather than risk not being fully understood. However, when among their own, silence functions as an extension of comfortable conversation.
"'It's not about the structure or features of the language, but rather the ways in which people use the language to do things,' Dr Anna Vatanen, a researcher at the University of Oulu, explained via email. 'For instance, the 'how are you?' question that is most often placed in the very beginning of an encounter. In English-speaking countries, it is mostly used just as a greeting and no serious answer is expected to it. On the contrary, the Finnish counterpart (Mita kuuluu?) can expect a 'real' answer after it: quite often the person responding to the question starts to tell how his or her life really is at the moment, what's new, how they have been doing.'"

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  1. Bug or feature by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I fail to see the problem with any of this. Small talk is time wasting bullshit to try to keep up pleasantries. Instead of asking pointless questions you already know the answer to, why not just find someone you can have a worthwhile conversation with instead of having both people engage in an activity that neither find particularly enjoyable or stimulating?

    Trying to teach Finnish people to partake in this idiocy is like actively teaching a dog to crap on your carpet.

    1. Re:Bug or feature by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I fail to see the problem with any of this. Small talk is time wasting bullshit to try to keep up pleasantries. Instead of asking pointless questions you already know the answer to, why not just find someone you can have a worthwhile conversation with instead of having both people engage in an activity that neither find particularly enjoyable or stimulating?

      Good small talk is supposed to find the leads to those interesting conversations. Bad small talk is just filler to avoid the awkward silence. Through life you're going to end up in many social situations where you're simply in the same class or group or club or have mutual friends but don't know each other. How are you going to discover you have something to talk about, telepathy? The better you know the person, the less small talk is necessary because you already know topics to talk about.

      Small talk is just generic topics to fill the void, I've gotten better with experience but as a teen I really could have used some small talk coaching. I'd kill off conversations without really meaning to because I was acting almost like I was being quizzed, I'd answer questions but I was terrible at expanding on answers and taking opportunities to respond in kind or lead the conversation to a new topic when it's running dry. I mean right down to the simple things like if somebody asks you how your vacation has been, ask them how theirs was.

      I mean it's probably not because you really care about where they went on vacation. But that's not the point, the point is just to create the space for them to tell a bit about themselves like some kind of hobby or interest or some other reason for going. Like whether they went to see an art gallery or a wild beach party. But when I was younger I didn't really see that far, if I didn't have an immediate interest in the answer I wouldn't bother asking the questions. Small talk is a fishing expedition, you might end up empty handed but if you don't throw out a line you're definitely not catching anything.

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    2. Re: Bug or feature by sourcerror · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What counts as social skill depends on the society.

  2. I can't blame them. by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think I figured out till my early '20s that most people don't actually expect an answer when they open with "How are you doing?", much less an honest one, and I grew up here. Nobody tells you these things.

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  3. Re:Typical conversation by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, I totally get it. People ask you how you are, and then when you actually tell them the truth, they're all bored and not interested.

  4. Re:Typical conversation by cyberpunkrocker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (silence...)

    (silence continues...)

    To us Finns, silence is not a lack of conversation, it is an art form. (Yes, I am Finnish, too)

  5. Re:Report on the ground by blindseer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They drink. A lot.

    One common joke about most any culture seems to be how much they drink alcohol. It doesn't necessarily have to be a nationality but that's a common delineation, it also works for distinctions along religious or cultural lines. Take your pick of some segment of the global population and you'll find a joke about how much they drink.

    Here's one:
    Why should you invite two Baptists when going on a fishing trip? Because if you invite only one then he'll drink all your beer.

    The truth is that humans drink a lot of alcohol, all over the world.

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