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Firefox 63 Arrives With Enhanced Tracking Protection, Search Shortcuts, and Picture-in-Picture on Android (venturebeat.com)

Mozilla today launched Firefox 63 for Windows, Mac, Linux, and Android. The release brings Enhanced Tracking Protection, performance improvements on Windows and macOS, search shortcuts, and Picture-In-Picture on Android. From a report: Firefox 63 for the desktop is available for download now on Firefox.com, and all existing users should be able to upgrade to it automatically. As always, the Android version is trickling out slowly on Google Play. According to Mozilla, Firefox has about 300 million active users. In other words, it's a major platform that web developers must consider. Firefox 63 for desktop brings support for Enhanced Tracking Protection. [...] Firefox 63's Enhanced Tracking Protection blocks cookies and storage access from third-party trackers, which Mozilla says targets the problem of cross-site tracking without breaking sites and impacting revenue streams like the original Tracking Protection. It does this by preventing known trackers from setting third-party cookies -- the primary method of tracking across sites -- but still gives you the option to block all known trackers (under Firefox Options/Preferences).

[...] Search shortcuts essentially pins sites like Google and Amazon on the new tab page. When you click or tap them, you're redirected to Firefox's awesome bar, which automatically fills the corresponding keyword (@google or @amazon in this case) for the search engine. This way, you can type your query, hit enter, and get your search results without having to first load the Google or Amazon homepage. [...] The only major new feature for this Firefox for Android release is a picture-in-picture mode (Android Oreo and up). This means that if you're watching a video in full-screen, when you switch away from Firefox it will move the video into a small floating window, which you can tap to return to the full video player.

83 comments

  1. But it still leaks memory like a sieve.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is my number one annoyance with Firefox. It just sucks up all of the machine memory to the point where I can no longer launch any other applications. I am not 100% sure, but I suspect using the browser with Twitter is what pushes it over the edge - other machines where I use Firefox and where I do not use Twitter have no such problem.

    And shutting down Firefox takes a good 10 minutes or so - I click the 'X' on the window and I can see the processes slowly shrink and eventually go away. It used to be easier back when it was just one process - I could just terminate that one process and restart.

    1. Re:But it still leaks memory like a sieve.. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      How does this compare with other browsers?
      Normally most webpages just give the browsers so much junk Pictures that are too large which only get scaled down. JavaScript Libraries that are many megs big, and often use only a fraction of the features. Also many pages are just long, just because it isn't in your field of view the data needs to be stored, and with DHTML and JS, it needs to be all the data, including junk that may never be used.

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    2. Re:But it still leaks memory like a sieve.. by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      I never understand-ed this supposed "memory leak" subject: seems that only Firefox suffers of these problems...

    3. Re:But it still leaks memory like a sieve.. by fbobraga · · Score: 2

      I use it in a daily basis since ~2004 (in several OSes), and it never becomes a real problem...

    4. Re: But it still leaks memory like a sieve.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Curious which OS you are using?

      I recently learned on Linux if your shm isn't big enough (mine was defaulted to 128M) that firefox, chrome, and basically any highly multithreaded application will try to compensate by caching things in their own processes, which causes the application to use way more RAM.

      I increased my shm to 1GB and immediately noticed a much smoother operation, and much less memory usage by those applications.

    5. Re:But it still leaks memory like a sieve.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something is going extremely wrong in your case. My guess is that you visited a website that makes web workers that chew up resources. Or it could be something else like an extension misbehaving. Web workers are evil and I try to turn them off completely. If it *is* Firefox, file bug reports.

  2. Tracking should be opt-in, not opt-out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firefox 63's Enhanced Tracking Protection blocks cookies and storage access from third-party trackers, which Mozilla says targets the problem of cross-site tracking without breaking sites and impacting revenue streams like the original Tracking Protection.

    So it's a regression. Fuck all of your "revenue streams"!

    1. Re: Tracking should be opt-in, not opt-out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being spied on should be opt-in, fuck trackers

  3. Using the @ by houghi · · Score: 1

    By using the @, many people wil not use it.

    People want to type "search item" nor "google search item" Not use captials to make "Google Search Item" And "@google search item" is even worse. And that is just on Qwerty keyboards. There @ is pretty easy. On Azerty the @ is ALT-GR+2. Alt-GR is the ALT bnutton on the right, so you need two hands to type it.

    I really miss the time where we had a URL and a place for the search engine on all browsers.

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    1. Re:Using the @ by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      If you notice, the @ sign will be added automatically, you do not need to type it.

    2. Re:Using the @ by houghi · · Score: 1

      What if I want to search for "google world dominance" and not for "world dominance" at the search engine google.

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    3. Re:Using the @ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      put quotes around it?

    4. Re:Using the @ by chrish · · Score: 1

      You can set up Firefox to have separate URL and search widgets; the config setting isn't even hidden, it's right under Options on the Search panel.

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  4. Meanwhile Waterfox 5.2.4 has been released by xack · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those of you who need real extensions.

    1. Re:Meanwhile Waterfox 5.2.4 has been released by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until it's no longer updated because stealing other people's source code doesn't put food on the table.

    2. Re:Meanwhile Waterfox 5.2.4 has been released by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Too bad you're all busy clinging to the past instead of helping to add the APIs you need to Firefox properly. Then more browsers could benefit from your so-called "real" extensions. But I guess you'll just leave the hard work to the people who really care, and then say "finally!" after that, like the entitled brats that you are.

    3. Re:Meanwhile Waterfox 5.2.4 has been released by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The source code is under a free license, so they have permission. This is an even weirder use of stealing than the RIAA uses.

    4. Re:Meanwhile Waterfox 5.2.4 has been released by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Ahhh the good ol' no "real" extension fallacy.

    5. Re:Meanwhile Waterfox 5.2.4 has been released by Ashthon · · Score: 2

      The problem is WebExtensions APIs doesn't allow you to write "real" extensions, and a lot of what could previously be done is no longer possible. Want to add a status bar? Forget it! Want to fix the search box to restore it to usability? No chance! Want to customise the UI in some other way? Not permitted!

      Aside from the limitations on what can be done, many developers do not consider it worth their time to invest in a platform that's being actively sabotaged. This is exactly why we've ended up with so many folks like Waterfox and Pale Moon; developers have lost faith in Mozilla and have given up entirely to instead work on their own project. There's no point trying to work with Mozilla when they're actively working against you.

      Mozilla have shown they have no interest in what users want. They actively delete any negative feedback, they disable comments on videos to avoid criticism and they actively destroy the work of developers. Firefox could be a great browser if Mozilla would work with users and developers, but instead they want to dictate to users and refuse to ever accept they're wrong. This is exactly why Firefox's market share has dropped to irrelevance and is still declining.

    6. Re:Meanwhile Waterfox 5.2.4 has been released by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox developers refuse to open up the APIs. For instance, the issue with creating toolbars hasn't been touched in a long time. And, that's just on the visual side.

      So right now the add-on store is full of shitty, low-effort items; instead of the richly diverse selection we had before.

    7. Re:Meanwhile Waterfox 5.2.4 has been released by BlackOverflow · · Score: 0

      And Waterfox's good buddy Palemoon, is also available, supporting all the old XUL-based extensions.

  5. No escape from online video by squiggleslash · · Score: 0

    So now when you open what you think is a news article, and it starts playing a massive video, and you pause it, scroll down to where there's text and then the fucking video moves to the corner and starts playing again and you say "Oh fuck this shit" and hit the home button to get out of the browser, the video will still continue to play and be overlaid over the Android UI.

    Should we be surprised? I can't even fill my car with gasoline without getting an autoplaying video FFS. Yes, that's a thing people who aren't in the US right now, gas stations actually have pumps now that have the same screens that are used to confirm your payment method suddenly switch to playing full color ads.

    When does this end? I think a quote from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy about walls, revolutions, and being the first comes to mind.

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    1. Re:No escape from online video by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      You mean that you actually just run javascript from ANY webpage you visit without authorizing it first? No wonder you're angry about autoplaying videos!

    2. Re:No escape from online video by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      auto-playing videos is really annoying (but is not an FF exclusivity...)

    3. Re:No escape from online video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should we be surprised? I can't even fill my car with gasoline without getting an autoplaying video FFS. Yes, that's a thing people who aren't in the US right now, gas stations actually have pumps now that have the same screens that are used to confirm your payment method suddenly switch to playing full color ads.

      Just be glad that you aren't forced to keep your eyes on the screen in order for the gas to keep pumping. Watch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifteen_Million_Merits for a possibility of how bad it can get.

    4. Re:No escape from online video by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      What's it like living in 1998?

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    5. Re:No escape from online video by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Yes, but PIP mode where the unwanted fucking video continues playing when you've left the browser to go into another application is apparently a FF exclusive feature.

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    6. Re:No escape from online video by Potor · · Score: 1

      auto-playing videos is really annoying (but is not an FF exclusivity...)

      This is trivial to fix in about:config, which I assume you know ...

    7. Re:No escape from online video by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      [...] PIP [...] is apparently a FF exclusive feature.

      No: Google Chrome has it "feature" for several weeks now...

    8. Re:No escape from online video by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      On Android? I've never seen this happen, and I'd be pretty pissed if it does. If it does, I send equal contempt to Google as for as Mozilla on this.

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    9. Re:No escape from online video by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      I use mostly, but rarely, Google Chrome on Android to eventual "normal browsing" (I have FF configured to use SOCKS5 proxy, generated by https://play.google.com/store/..., to access remote addresses, or addresses filtered in some places WiFi, and with https://noscript.net/ [to access some paywalled content :P] - Google Chrome is a "dumb user" browser, I think...)

    10. Re: No escape from online video by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Yeap - I think it needs Android 8/Oreo: when I upgraded my phone (I use lineages.org) from Android 7, it begined to happen

    11. Re: No escape from online video by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Thanks for warning me. The world is going to hell, urgh.

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    12. Re:No escape from online video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I can't even fill my car with gasoline without getting an autoplaying video FFS.

      On the gas pump is an unlabeled mute button. Every pump I've encountered, it's the 2nd from the top of the 4 buttons down the right side of the screen. Google it if you need a picture.

    13. Re:No escape from online video by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I've actually tried pressing the buttons before and none of them did anything, but I assume from this that some pumps at least do have an escape.

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    14. Re:No escape from online video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome, and much better compared to today.
      No video advertising, just mainly popups, your IP is not legally required to be tracked or stored by ISPs, no FAcebook, no Twitter, no social media, SJWs were unheard of, no baseless Metoo accusations, you could talk about anything at work without worrying about about some fat red-haired fish-mouthed tumblrina being triggered over some innocuous word and complaining to HR, people were polite and respectful in chatrooms and webforums, in a couple years you could watch the epic LOTR movies for the first time, you still had hope that the next Star Wars movie would be great, you still had hope that the next STar Trek TV show would be great, sitcoms were still funny, you could spend all weekend channel surfing through Discovery Channel, National Geographic, History Chanel, & Animal Planet because at least one had something interesting on, there was no reality TV, you could upgrade the CPU, video card, ram, and HD in your PC and notice a noticeable improvement, UNIX/Solaris was the OS you hoped to work with, music was still good, people still watched rock videos, selfies didn't exist yet, car accidents caused by cellphone use were very rare, everyone was wondering if the world was going to end or be taken over by aliens in two years, and people didn't blame global warming ever time the weather changed.

    15. Re:No escape from online video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different AC here. The ability to shut off the adverts depends on the model of pump and if the pump owner bothered to activate it when they programmed the pump. For instance, if you have the Speedway franchise in your area, tough titty, you can't shut it up. If you have one of the blue Exxon pumps (regardless of which store) with the white membrane keypad, then start on the top left button, AFTER the pump begins pumping and rake your finger down across each button quickly like you're doing that old piano trick and jump to the left side quickly and do it again. Only after all 8 buttons are quickly pressed in succession will the mind control stop. That method has also worked for other brands of pumps, but the brand spanking new ones are getting more obstinate. It is complete bullshit that we have to resort to this kind of crap but here we are.

    16. Re: No escape from online video by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      and it only happens with already full-screen videos (not to any video)

  6. No it does not "leak like a sieve" by sjbe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is my number one annoyance with Firefox.

    Not currently running linux on a desktop machine but I am running Firefox on both Windows and Mac machines currently and haven't seen a memory leak of any significance in years. There was a time when those were problems but not so much recently. Like all browsers these days it does use a lot of memory but I haven't seen evidence of a memory leak in a long time. Given that you posted anonymously I'm guessing you are just throwing FUD around for fun.

    And shutting down Firefox takes a good 10 minutes or so - I click the 'X' on the window and I can see the processes slowly shrink and eventually go away.

    Again I call bullshit on this unless you are running a machine with some serious hardware problems. I have never seen any behavior like that on literally hundreds of machines I administer through work running firefox or in my personal use. Firefox does have its flaws but you don't need to make stuff up to point them out.

    1. Re:No it does not "leak like a sieve" by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      And shutting down Firefox takes a good 10 minutes or so - I click the 'X' on the window and I can see the processes slowly shrink and eventually go away.

      Again I call bullshit on this unless you are running a machine with some serious hardware problems. I have never seen any behavior like that on literally hundreds of machines I administer through work running firefox or in my personal use. Firefox does have its flaws but you don't need to make stuff up to point them out.

      I second that

    2. Re:No it does not "leak like a sieve" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On my work desktop, under Windows 7, Firefox is almost unusable -ridiculously slow to load pages, takes up to 5 mins to terminate.
      I've had to switch to Chrome.

      On my home desktop, running Ubuntu MATE 18.04 Firefox is great. My home desktop is older and has half as much memory as my work one.

      I *suspect* McAfee may be the issue under Windows (the issue got a lot worse with a recent major new version of McAfee), I think Firefox might be fighting with it for disc access - but why is Chrome not nearly so badly affected by McAfee?

    3. Re:No it does not "leak like a sieve" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do I need to do? Make a fucking video for you people?

      It is a laptop with Windows 7, 8Gb of RAM.

    4. Re:No it does not "leak like a sieve" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And shutting down Firefox takes a good 10 minutes or so - I click the 'X' on the window and I can see the processes slowly shrink and eventually go away.

      Again I call bullshit on this unless you are running a machine with some serious hardware problems.

      It sounds like this is one of those people that leaves hundreds -- yes, hundreds! -- of tabs open, and then complains about the startup time, shutdown time, and general performance.

      It's as if these people expect each browser tab to use zero resources and their system has infinite resources. Hint, people: Bookmarks.

    5. Re:No it does not "leak like a sieve" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again I call bullshit on this unless you are running a machine with some serious hardware problems. I have never seen any behavior like that on literally hundreds of machines I administer through work running firefox or in my personal use. Firefox does have its flaws but you don't need to make stuff up to point them out.

      Nope, this is typical with a rotating hard drive and gigabytes of swap used. Let's be somewhat generous and say 1GB of your browser processes are swapped out to disk, your hard drive reads at an average 4MB/s (seen in Windows 8/10 task manager for instance) NOT a smooth 50-100MB/s because of random/concurrent access. It will take about 250 seconds to "clear out". Or more, but that's a decent rule of thumb. 10 min is real.

      Don't believe me go use Winblows with 4GB RAM.
      "Thou shall not kill -9" does apply, i.e. if it's so bad you won't be able to close firefox you may kill and it will take seconds, sometimes relatively long!, but just wait and the process will die out, no need to "force kill".

    6. Re:No it does not "leak like a sieve" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not going to open the slashdot page and bookmark all the stories I want to read.

    7. Re:No it does not "leak like a sieve" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what world do you think managing even thousands of tabs should take 10s of minutes? This isn't reloading and reparsing their content. This should only be creating the UI Tab elements to indicade the suspended tabs exist when starting the browser and then saving the changed state from the last state backup (which happens quite frequently and transparrently) when closing. For some reason it takes Firefox tons of time to do that. In the same amount of time, your hard drive could have transfered multiple GBs of data. It's faster to crash the browser than it is to close it, yet then when you reopen it after a crash you'll be back to the same state just as if you had cleanly closed it. One takes a few seconds, the other too many minutes. What unnessary crazy shit is Firefox doing during closing?

      FF has some design flaws, though so do the other browsers. Just because they all seem to work well for 2 tabs doesn't mean they're well designed software. Bubble sort is excellent for a list of size 2 as well. They might all have great people optimizing their web parsers, but slapt crappy state and UI management on top of that and you still end up with something covered in shit.

  7. Overcomplicating things by sjbe · · Score: 1

    By using the @, many people wil not use it.

    This is true. I will be one of them.

    I really miss the time where we had a URL and a place for the search engine on all browsers.

    I don't. I just type my search into the bar or I go to the website I want to search. Works fine. No idea why people keep trying to over complicate this stuff. Keep it simple. I pretty much never used the search bar when it was there because it didn't solve any problem for me. Maybe it was a hair slower but not enough for me to care.

    1. Re:Overcomplicating things by houghi · · Score: 1

      To me the advantage of the search bar was clear all the time if I was typing in a search item or a url.

      "example.com" is not the same as "example.com/?query=example.com". It was also much easier to see what the search engine was. If I needed to do a whole bunch of e.g. image searches, I selected that and did not need to type it each time.

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    2. Re:Overcomplicating things by sjbe · · Score: 1

      To me the advantage of the search bar was clear all the time if I was typing in a search item or a url.

      That's just almost never a problem for me. I don't apparently search for things that are easily confused with a URL. The search bar seems to me to be something that should be added in an extension by those who like that workflow.

      It was also much easier to see what the search engine was.

      I have a default search engine so I know which one it uses and if I need to search a specific engine other than the default I can just navigate to it. I just don't see much advantage in that workflow. You be you of course but I don't see the point.

    3. Re:Overcomplicating things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple is ambiguous and stupid for the sake of being simple. There is a trend of SELLING simple as attractive to the masses but that's by removing separation of functions. That's cumbersome to the power users that elevated the tool to greatness in days of yore. Firefox used to be for extension-waving geeks, you know?

      While it's jarring when I get an error because I forget to use the search field as I fire up Konqueror on the old linux VM, it's more infuriating to see chrome repeatedly ignoring my local http servers (custom DNS names like "hp", "router", "r") and stealing me to add-generating web searches --where they unapologetically proceed to show "did you mean to look for hostname ____ in your local network?" --dark pattern. The are more than capable of presenting both options without generating a cent worth of ad impressions if they use the autocomplete dropdown.

      I end up having to type r/ or http://r on Firefox or Chrome. If on google, I often am forced to enter the whole 192.168.0.1, which is a total pain... especially since the autocomplete sometimes lets you fatfinger MORE stupid web searches, with a particularly obnoxious one with a typo'd lowercase O in the third octet.

    4. Re:Overcomplicating things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I end up having to type r/ or http://r on Firefox or Chrome. If on google, I often am forced to enter the whole 192.168.0.1, which is a total pain... especially since the autocomplete sometimes lets you fatfinger MORE stupid web searches, with a particularly obnoxious one with a typo'd lowercase O in the third octet.

      Parent here. I forgot to clarify that this is more painful than it seems, as numbers, slashes and punctuation, and especially copy, paste and URL bar edits are intentionally hard on mobile devices (private companies want us to "choose" mobile sync to share our URLs with them for additional gains).

  8. I would love to see more performance improvements by grungeman · · Score: 2

    Firefox has come a long way performance wise. Flexbox layout has been improved dramatically, and lot's of other performance improvements were implemented.

    But there are still some major performance issues, and somehow I get the feeling that the Mozilla developers get a bit carried away with implementing new and exciting stuff instead of making the existing functionality really good.

    If you are running Windows you may want to run the following test with hardware performance enabled and disabled, and compare the displayed frame rates.

    Performance test: https://codepen.io/anon/pen/wY...

    On my machine hardware acceleration reduces the frame rate at least by a factor 4(!). This is not what I understand by "acceleration". Please, Mozilla devs, this can't be what you had in mind when you introduced hardware acceleration.

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  9. third-party trackers by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

    blocks cookies and storage access from third-party trackers

    Seriously, why didn't they do this 20 years ago? Did they really have to wait until their last user has switched?

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    1. Re:third-party trackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a bad idea now, and it was a bad idea then. Because of the way it works.

      It does this by preventing known trackers from setting third-party cookies

      This means this feature requires constant maintenance, and no doubt will result in a wack-a-mole contest. This is the kind of thing that belongs in an add-on.

      Energy is better spent on a structural solution: no third-party content, same top-level domain only. There are many reasons why third party content is a bad idea, it is not only tracking, and it will only get worse. Much worse.

      If the big browsers could only agree on this feature, with an exception opt-in list, that would go a long way to really solve the problem. Yes, it annoys users, but it annoys them where they should be annoyed, when accessing sites that will not work properly without third party content.

  10. Re:I would love to see more performance improvemen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds about right for Windows "hardware acceleration".

    Remember when they introduced Visual Studio 2010 and claimed that because it used WPF, it had "hardware-accelerated graphics"? End result was it was 50 times slower than Visual Studio 2008.

    Don't even bother with 2017; they rewrote most of it in JavaScript to make it 100x slower.

  11. Does it finally stop pop-unders? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Switched to Firefox after Google added that stupid "hold cmd + q to quit" shit to Chrome...but I must say Firefox sucks ass.

  12. Firefox Makes Me Sad : ( by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    There is still no single-click option for protecting SSDs.
    Pocket must go!
    Adding a single-line URL/Search bar never needed to be added to the codebase.
    Firefox is likely collecting data using Topsites.
    No would would need a private mode or it's bloat if you weren't collecting data in the first place.
    No one likes looking at square corners on tabs.
    The API changes so radically and so often and so deeply and abrupt depreciating, that you can just forget about having a good extension base.
    Firefox should have supported its own MAF format, but it didn't.

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    1. Re:Firefox Makes Me Sad : ( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is still no single-click option for protecting SSDs.
      Pocket must go!
      Adding a single-line URL/Search bar never needed to be added to the codebase.
      Firefox is likely collecting data using Topsites.
      No would would need a private mode or it's bloat if you weren't collecting data in the first place.
      No one likes looking at square corners on tabs.
      The API changes so radically and so often and so deeply and abrupt depreciating, that you can just forget about having a good extension base.
      Firefox should have supported its own MAF format, but it didn't.

      What exactly do SSDs need protection from?
      You can turn off Pocket and Topsites in the settings.
      You can still have the dual search and URL bars in the view settings.
      The rest is whaaa, whaaa, whaaa about nothing of any importance.

    2. Re:Firefox Makes Me Sad : ( by thegarbz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Pocket must go!

      Why, just ignore what you don't need.

      Adding a single-line URL/Search bar never needed to be added to the codebase.

      Conjecture. I represent one of many users who don't see a need for the two to be separate.

      Firefox is likely collecting data using Topsites.

      Really? Because I don't have Topsites installed. But why are you even guessing like this? The code base is there for you to see.

      No would would need a private mode or it's bloat if you weren't collecting data in the first place.

      A comment made by someone who doesn't understand what private mode is or why it exists. Pro-tip: It has nothing to do with Mozilla or anyone else on the internet collecting your data.

      No one likes looking at square corners on tabs.

      Conjecture. Speaking for all users without the authority to do so.

      The API changes so radically and so often and so deeply and abrupt depreciating, that you can just forget about having a good extension base.

      The API changes were made to decouple the API from the browser code base precisely so they wouldn't need changing in the future. This should make you happy.

      Firefox should have supported its own MAF format, but it didn't.

      It should tell you something about the MAF format when it's own company dumps support for it from it's key product.

    3. Re:Firefox Makes Me Sad : ( by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

      Excessive wear. I have a computer with 24gb of memory, I don't need a disk cache for anything.
      As a content provider, I already have 1/10th of the useful life of my 1TB Samsung 850 SSD used.

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    4. Re:Firefox Makes Me Sad : ( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The removed options/preferences in the GUI are an annoyance, but going to about:config it's trivial to find it. Type 'cache'.
      Also, the useful life of modern SSD like yours is ridiculously understated. There are reviewers who hammer the drives for months 24/7 to find out. The manufacturer gives a bogus cover-your-ass number that is of no consequence to them except they can say the number is bigger on the new model or the "Pro" one.

    5. Re:Firefox Makes Me Sad : ( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit, "excessive wear" still means the drive lasts a decade, it'll be replaced for a larger/faster model long before it dies from wear.

  13. firefail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >It does this by preventing known trackers from setting third-party cookies -- the primary method of tracking across sites -- but still gives you the option to block all known trackers
    >the option to block all known trackers

    HAHA what bullshit

    they still think they can block 3rd party scripts and shit without breaking sites?? it's fucking impossible, get adblock and start blocking things, that's the only way to selectively isolate yourself from the cancer of today's internet

  14. What did they take out? by Bill+Hayden · · Score: 1

    I see what they added (nothing of interest to me), but with each release I'm more concerned about which functionality I use daily that they decided to take out.

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    1. Re:What did they take out? by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      I just installed Firefox on an Amazon Fire Tablet and lo and behold the app has no "Home" button. I looked around on how to show it and apparently you now need an extension. For the Home button. Don't ask me why. I do not know.

    2. Re:What did they take out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just installed Firefox on an Amazon Fire Tablet and lo and behold the app has no "Home" button. I looked around on how to show it and apparently you now need an extension. For the Home button. Don't ask me why. I do not know.

      I would clone some old / small Android 2 app from an older phone and find that the GUI was off or very "broken" but couln't put my finger on the cause or even the symptoms --there were no errors but I was stuck at the main screen with little to do compared to my older phones.

      An old VLC app, one super barebones text editor and most recently the Android v4.4 Music app were impacted with odd levels of dissonance.

      Just recently I figured out this long-standing Android problem. I realized old apps expect a physical menu button to be pressed. Google decided to discourage those when Android 4 launched, AND to remove the option of an always on floating GUI button for the same result. Since they just de-rank or hide apps from the store and app executables are rarely in the hands of regular users, most people have long lost APKs those designed five years ago...

      The realization helped, since I have the option of a Bluetooth keyboard to emulate the missing button once in a blue moon if I want to access Music's oddly-elusive Party Shuffle, but it's shame. I had just assumed that long presses would translate to the missing menu button, but the boneheaded UI devs decided to hide everything inside a hamburger menu separate from the physical menu, and then anchor long presses to even MORE things.

    3. Re:What did they take out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What good is the home button? I’m honestly asking. Every major web browser now shows the top-N sites whenever you open a new window or tab. How hard is it to click/tap the one at the top to go to it? Just about as difficult as it is to click/tap the “home” button I’d guess.

    4. Re:What did they take out? by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Not this thing. It just opens whatever porn site I was looking at last. Really useful during presentations.

  15. Re:I would love to see more performance improvemen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a wonky driver edge-case. If there is no driver update that fixes it for you, then I'd definitely file a bug and let them know what's in the about:support page for graphics. At least then they will know about it and might be able to fix it. Otherwise you might at least get lucky when WebRender comes along (if you're not already using that new and exciting upcoming stuff).

  16. Re:I would love to see more performance improvemen by grungeman · · Score: 2

    Thanks, that was my first take, too. But I tested this on three computers, two laptops and a gaming pc, Windows 10 and Windows 7, and the results were similar. There is an issue on bugzilla, opened five moths ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/s...

    My guess is that his is just hard and difficult work, and in the Mozilla team there are not too many developers who can do this.

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  17. PIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Galaxy Note 3 had picture in picture for most apps. Rarely used it, but it's been around for a while.
    How is this different or better in any way?

  18. Palemoon 28.1.0 release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pale Moon 28.1.0 was released on Sep 20, continuing to be a far superior browser over chrome and firefox.

  19. Can assholes post actual changelog? Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, stop posting updates to a fucking unrelated site for views. For those that care: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/63.0/releasenotes/

    I'll say it again, stop posting the god damn release notes to a third party; use the actual fucking source.

  20. The @ sign is not needed and never has been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is true. I will be one of them.

    You were one of them already, consider this feature when used with the keyboard is extremely old. I think it predates Firefox 1.0 and was found on Mozilla.

    I tested it again! e.g., go to the top of any slashdot page (this is why I need the home key on a keyboard...)
    Right-click on the search field and click "add a keyword for this search"

    Now any time you might do Alt-D to activate the URL bar, type something like : slash microsoft
    and get taken to https://slashdot.org/index2.pl?fhfilter=microsoft where you have a collection of stories about microsoft like "Samsung Announces Galaxy Book 2, a 2-in-1 Windows 10 S Hybrid With Gigabit LTE and 20-Hour Battery Life" and whatever bullshit microsoft has done.

  21. Re:I would love to see more performance improvemen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm not surprised. "Hardware acceleration" consists in sending your data through an abstraction layer and a graphics driver. It worked well with fixed function hardware and direct access or single user operating systems. Meanwhile CPUs got over 100x faster so what they could do in 1990 (draw a letter), they still can do.
    My favorite rescue on old PCs with misbehaving or unstable graphics was to switch VLC output to the dumbest method (on linux it's "X11") or to switch the entire PC's graphics to VESA modes.

    Even software 3D renderers in video games would not be quite bad. Remember when games were fun, took less than a GB, loaded quick and worked every time, and you jumped into the action with no cutscenes and tutorials. We all have a 2-3GHz CPU now with 2 or 4 hardware threads minimum, but GPUs and their drivers are all over the place from 0.1 teraflops to 20 teraflops, a few GB/s to 800GB/s, a dozen feature levels, three Windows versions and hundreds of linux versions.
    We can have amazing enough graphics on the CPU, even if targeting 60 fps on a quad core Atom, dual core i3 (1080p), dual core AMD. We used to play vid games in the 90s to be impressed by the graphics, now I just miss the fun. Launch game play game.

  22. Who cares? We want reflow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Screw picture-in-picture, call me when reflow is back. Once upon a time, back when things were good, you would zoom in and the text would reflow (rewrap). Now, you zoom in a bit to see some small text, then you have to pan side-to-side.

    https://www.androidpolice.com/2014/01/28/bug-watch-text-reflow-removed-from-webviews-in-kitkat-probably-not-coming-back/

  23. Re:I would love to see more performance improvemen by Opyros · · Score: 1

    opened five moths ago

    Hm. You must mean five of these?

  24. You rely on automagic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm gonna honestly answer.

    That top-N bullshit is just that- bullshit. I disable it on every machine I can. My new tab does not need to broadcast to every person standing by my desk what websites I surf to, nor how frequently I visit them. I replace newtab, when I can, with blanktab. My homepage is plain ass google.com. Awesomebar and search suggestions are disabled. Now I type a lot of the websites in manually so I don't necessarily need a home button, but someone else, like yer mom, might need a button to get to her links.

    So to answer your question, it's needed when the automation is disabled.

  25. Wow, you must be in a bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firefox took a nose dive in performance back around version 45. On perfectly sound hardware I can install Fedora Linux (32bit or 64 bit, doesn't seem to matter) and any recent Firefox, and then open perhaps 10 tabs (nothing unusual, no pirated content or porn etc) and Linux will grind to a halt and the GUI becomes totally non-responsive as Firefox consumes 99% (or more) of resources and thrashes the drive. It can take 5 to 10 minutes to close a tab and as much as an hour to shut the machine down as GIGABYTES of craop get swapped back and forth by the lame excuse for a program that Firefox has become.

    Instead of Mozilla coders behaving like dogs who've seen a SQUIRREL, and adding more shiny new features, they need to get back to the basics, like:

    (1) The user and GUI come FIRST! If a bit of Javascript consumes too many resources, kill it and blacklist it and never run it again without user consent but certainly NEVER allow Javascript to eat all the performance of a multi-gighertz multicore machine. Mozilla had this solved perfectly FOR YEARS when it allowed users to block execution of Javascript. I presume they eliminated this option to make advertisers happy.

    (2) Being honest with the user is important. Mozilla has an option to block pop-up windows, but it's a lie. I always select the option, yet I get more pop-up windows now than I did 5 years ago. There is an option to limit how much the browser caches on the local drive, but it's also a lie: I have set it to various sizes as an experiment and found Firefox stuffing GIGABYTES more onto the drive than I set the limit to.

    (3) Stability is more important than glitter. If the programmers at Mozilla are either too incompetent or too lazy to fix current problems, then there is no reason to allow them to add more features, since those features are also likely to have bugs they either cannot or are unable to fix.

    When a program like Firefox gets so bad that the only way to stop it is to pull the power plug (because the system has become completely non-responsive, and you do not have an hour to burn waiting for the hard drive thrashing to stop) something is SERIOUSLY wrong. Oh, and it's not the hardware - I have installed the same OS on the same hardware and installed an older Firefox and none of the badness happens.

    I do not know who the poster you replied to was (it wasn't me) and I'm certainly not spreading FUD (I use Firefox over any other browser (I do not trust Microsoft or Google and do not like Apple) but I just want the people as Mozilla to go back to what they were years ago - a competent bunch of coders making the best browser available. They're not doing that now.

  26. Why should the number of tabs matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not the person you were replying to, but it's very bad coding form if the number of tabs opened causes a major problem. If a person opens a bunch of tabs, there's no reason at all for the browser to run all the scripts on all those tabs. The browser should only run the scripts on the current tab unless the user says otherwise, and the content for any new tabs should only be pre-cached up to the limits set by the user-selected (or default) size of the local cache.

    I've never seen anybody open "hundreds" of tabs, but I have certainly opened as many as 20, particularly when opening tabs for various search results so I can then rapidly inspect those results and switch back-and-forth between them. In my experience, Firefox cannot safely handle more than about 20 tabs without eating all system resources.

    Hint to Firefox programmers: Honor the cache size limits and stop letting every tab run 30 Javascript-driven video ads all at the same time. It's really pretty simple if they would care to do a little boring grunt work on the code instead of adding Pocket, or re-designing the UI for the 30th time, or reworking the rendering code yet again when they are not properly managing what they're going to render in the first place.

  27. Nice jerk attitude ya got there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seem annoyed that somebody does not want a lame lazy incompetent would-be programmer destroying a piece of hardware he bought.

    Flash memory of any type (including SSDs) can only be written a limited number of times. Flash drive makers cleverly try to wear-level the drives and even make them fail gracefully and quietly over time (mapping out bad sectors/pages as they fail) but none of that addresses the fact that every write to a flash drive destroys that drive by a tiny amount - and as a result it makes lazy programmers who write stuff to drives when it's not necessary into evil destructive jerks whose actions harm many thousands of people many of whom might just not be able to afford a replacement drive at the moment when one might be prematurely needed. My family had a series of health emergencies last year that involved multiple people having a total of 7 surgeries, so I am painfully aware that some family similarly hit but without my resources might be unable to buy a new computer part on a schedule you seem to think trivial.

    As an engineer who has designed (an earlier generation of) solid state drives, I find the idea of anybody intentionally wasting write cycles on them offensive, and anybody else downplaying that bad behavior just plain annoying.

    1. Re:Nice jerk attitude ya got there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know how SSDs work, but apparently you don't because the duty cycle measures in over a decade which factors in browser caching and things far more intensive than that. Boo fucking hoo, nobody needs the sob story as justification because if you've kept pace at all you'd know that by the time a $300 1Tb SSD drive fails from wear a replacement 1Tb SSD drive will be around $50, if that's going to break you then you should dumpster dive parts till you can afford to buy new like everyone else who has been in poverty and got into computing.

  28. Tab Mix Plus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it have Tab Mix Plus yet? No? Well I'll pass on that then, thanks.