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Google Is Teaching Children How To Act Online. Is It the Best Role Model? (nytimes.com)

Google is positioning itself in schools as a trusted authority on digital citizenship at a moment when the company's data-handling practices are under growing scrutiny. From a report: Google is on a mission to teach children how to be safe online. That is the message behind "Be Internet Awesome," a so-called digital-citizenship education program that the technology giant developed for schools. The lessons include a cartoon game branded with Google's logo and blue, red, yellow and green color palette. The game is meant to help students from third grade through sixth guard against schemers, hackers and other bad actors. Google plans to reach five million schoolchildren with the program this year and has teamed up with the National Parent Teacher Association to offer related workshops to parents. But critics say the company's recent woes -- including revelations that it was developing a censored version of its search engine for the Chinese market and had tracked the whereabouts of users who had explicitly turned off their location history -- should disqualify Google from promoting itself in schools as a model of proper digital conduct.

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  1. Don't be Evil by Tulsa_Time · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Too late...

    Google motto 2004: Don’t be evil
    Google motto 2010: Evil is tricky to define
    Google motto 2013: We make military robots... also, we help Hillary overthrow governments and help the Chinese oppress their people
    Google motto 2017: Trump is evil
    Google motto 2018: We do not care what you think, we are Evil, deal with it.

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  2. Dont worry citizen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The corporation shall educate your child accordingly

    1. Re:Dont worry citizen by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      It is cheaper to educate kids to browse safely then program in such safeguards into your product.
      Also the Tech Industry moves much faster then the Education System. Most elementary school teachers in terms of technology teaching are often already behind their kids skill levels.

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  3. Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Listen - I won't argue that Google hasn't left behind something important with its "Don't be evil" philosophy.

    But compared to 'adult' power morality in our nation, Google is still relatively saintly.

    Our latest answer to violence is crueler violence - our adults are failing the most basic tests of civilization just to see their opponents squirm and laugh at it.

    I think the kids are the sanest folks left, given the studies I've seen on how they're handling all this - and Google is one of the least horrible influences.

    1. Re:Sure. by dcw3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, just because you've read about a few jackasses in the news, tv or interweb, doesn't make it the norm for the vast majority of parents. Those are all busy catching eyeballs to increase revenue with the latest train wreck...it's just not reality. Why do you think we hear stories about some beautiful young getting killed or kidnapped, for weeks, and yet every single day there are multiple murders across the entire country. It's because they're not interested in reporting the actual news, they just want your attention to sell ads.

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  4. How to Be Safe Online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Trust Google.

    Google is there to keep you safe.

    Use Google Products.

    Give All your Data To Google.

    Google Will Keep It Safe.

    Sincerely,

    Google for Kids

  5. No, parents should be handling that by KixWooder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except at the current, neither is,otherwise you wouldn't have the likes of 4chan and reddit, where you say one thing and you called a cuck and doxed.

    Finally someone snaps does real harm or causes harm to themselves. Thoughts and prayers abound and suicide prevention hotlines are posted, when it wouldn't be needed if people were just nicer to one another online and in real life.

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    1. Re:No, parents should be handling that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The world is really a group of overweight and unemployed incels. 4chan is a troll farm full of powerless young "men", nothing more.

    2. Re: No, parents should be handling that by cunina · · Score: 1

      If you want to see the world as it really is, go outside.

    3. Re:No, parents should be handling that by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a true newfag

    4. Re:No, parents should be handling that by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Everything he said still exists in this "society", no reverting necessary Mr. Strawman.
      Notice how he said "don't survive to pass on their genes". Reproduction is a competition, whether you like it or not.

    5. Re:No, parents should be handling that by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      The world is really a group of overweight and unemployed incels. 4chan is a troll farm full of powerless young "men", nothing more.

      A abundance of horny poor young "powerless" men, have historically been the main source of revolutions be it; American Revolutionaries in Boston protesting against Britains millitary occupation and taxes, Russian peasants in the Red October revolution, or young Arab men in Egypt on Blackberries With Arab Spring.

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  6. Other version already exist by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Other non google versions exist. I know that the Boy Scouts has a program for this through a partnership with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. It is also requirement at least at that cub scout level. I also know that my kids public school district uses the Scouts's program in their elementary school as it is available for anyone to use.

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    1. Re:Other version already exist by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      What happens in the church is just the result of forced abstinence, it has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. Same thing as in prisons. And homosexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia; a gay dude isn't going to mess around with young boys in his charge, just like a straight woman isn't... besides a rare few exceptions.

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    2. Re:Other version already exist by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      The NetSmartz program is childish and painfully out-of-date. My 3rd-grade scout had to watch a video where kids and robots singing about netiquette, that looks like it is based on the days of AOL chat rooms. It's totally inaccessible to any child. It doesn't talk about text messages, online games, or web sites. It treats the internet like some giant chatroom where saying mean things makes people turn smelly and singing a song fixes it. The stuff they put for Grades 6-8 should be for Grade 2. Once a child can read well-enough to open a browser and type in a search, or once they can play Roblox or Fortnite, or even once they can turn on a TV news program, they need more than a literal song and dance.

      Sorry to be so harsh, I'm glad someone is at least trying.

      We need to fund schools well-enough that they can generate their own curriculum, instead of my kids having to hold bake sales and sell chocolate to fund their education while corporations "donate" so-called "educational materials" with their branded logos on it. If we are afraid of what government-funded education looks like, wait till you get a load of corporate-funded education looks like.

    3. Re:Other version already exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is just wrong on so many levels. BSA's ban on homosexuals was never about safety - that would just be stupid and ineffective because straight men and women have also been known to sexually abuse boys at roughly the same rate. BSA has an entirely different set of policies to deal with that. The ban on homosexuals was aimed at preventing boys from seeing homosexuality as a valid way to be. The ban, which ended for youth members in 2013 and leaders in 2015, specifically applied only to avowed homosexuals - closeted homosexuals were still perfectly welcome. The ban also applied equally to male and female leaders; a ban on homosexual female leaders would make no sense in the context you provided. And then there's the part about the ban on leaders continuing for two years after the ban on youth members ended. Bottom line, BSA didn't want Scouts to see homosexuals as role models and risk having them "turn gay" or other such nonsense. This was largely due to the influence of the Mormon church, which had an outsized presence in Scouting because they made it mandatory for all boys. They have since moved on and BSA has entered the 21st century.

    4. Re:Other version already exist by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I never said it was good, only that others existed. I've had to sit through it twice now and agree that it is painful.

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    5. Re:Other version already exist by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      LOL, fair enough, I'll get down off my soapbox now. :-)

    6. Re:Other version already exist by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      It was allowing girls in the ranks that finally got the Mormon church to drop its support of the BSA. There have been a rather large number of leaders who didn't agree with their stances and we have been long pushing to allow girls in and have a much more open view on things. A great example is the pack my kids are part of, there have always been girls at the meetings and what not for at least the past 12 years (the longest living memory in the pack). They participate in all the activities and we even handed out the award we were allowed to to them. We do all sorts of things mostly to expose the kids to different things they otherwise wouldn't have been. Apart from the winter sledding and summer water park events we always try to have them learn something from each activity with some being clearly more academic but we mostly try to hide it. With the 4th graders I bring a bunch of cameras and teach them about photography and how to take pictures that suck less.

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  7. Corporations by DaMattster · · Score: 2

    Corporations are not the best role models at all. Period. They do underhanded and devious things all of the time so the last entity that I want teaching my child about morals is a fucking corporation.

  8. No by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

    Unless you want your child to grow into a greedy fuckhead that has no respect for other people.

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  9. Deal with the things that are practical. by shess · · Score: 2

    You _can_ use better passwords, you _can_ be more careful with your social graph, these things are relatively simple to get right enough for most people. They are mostly geared towards protecting you from third-party activity which has not taken control of the infrastructure of the products you are using.

    Yes, you could teach sixth graders about changing settings and using DuckDuckGo, but realistically the problem isn't the search engine or browser you use, it's the products you use. Yes, using Google for a search engine could expose various things to Google - but it's all the sites you go to that are strip-mining your information and selling it to each other, they don't need Google to do that. If you're using Facebook, then switching from Google to DuckDuckGo isn't helping you much. Likewise if you're using Amazon or YouTube or any other site. You're up against adversaries who control the horizontal and the vertical, there's not a lot you can do which isn't comparable to using crystals or magnets to address your arthritis. Hell, millions of people install malware-protection programs which turn out to be actual malware! THEY PAY FOR IT! We simply aren't equipped to effectively deal with this scale of issue at an individual level.

    I think Google has good incentives to help teach you, the individual end-user, to avoid scams perpetrated by other individual end users (nigerian prince, identity theft), and also against organized and opportunistic data-collectors (black market trading in password databases types of things). And those are issues you actually can improve based on your actions. But protecting yourself from having Google or MasterCard or Target "steal" your privacy is a tough problem, individuals can only really solve it by opting out, or supporting regulatory changes.

  10. Re:Considering the collective failure called by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    American parents. I don't really see a better alternative. Google has its wrongs, but I do not really see too many, if any institutions which have any more moral perspectives than Google.

    Right. Now Yemeni or Venezuelan parents, they're the shizzle.

    It's always those dang Americans ...

  11. Nothing but Ad Hominem Fallacy!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is nothing but a good example of classic Ad Hominem logical fallacy/attack!!!

    The real issue to consider is this: Is the training content provided by Google is right or wrong?
    Tell us about that!!!

    The real issue is NOT whether Google itself is a good role model or not!!!

    1. Re:Nothing but Ad Hominem Fallacy!!! by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      This is nothing but a good example of classic Ad Hominem logical fallacy/attack!!!

      The real issue to consider is this: Is the training content provided by Google is right or wrong?
      Tell us about that!!!

      The real issue is NOT whether Google itself is a good role model or not!!!

      So, what you're saying is, we should judge the Nazis who ran the Hitler Youth program based on their success/failure rate, and never consider the fact that they were goddamned Nazis?

      Oookay...

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  12. Clearly and objectively, NO. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    If you can't be bothered to spend enough time raising your own children, then do not have them in the first place. You should not be allowing the TV, the Internet, Google, or anyone other than yourselves, and maybe close relatives, to raise your children.

    1. Re:Clearly and objectively, NO. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      If you can't be bothered to spend enough time raising your own children, then do not have them in the first place.

      Not that I disagree (much the opposite), but since we're talking about Google getting into schools, and the fact that sending your kids to school is mandatory, I don't think that really applies here.

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    2. Re:Clearly and objectively, NO. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      If what you're really telling me is that you actually believe you have no say in how your kids' school teaches them, then I must say you're doing it wrong. At the very least you can counter-act the Google 'programming' they're being indoctrinated with in any way you can.

  13. Re:Considering the collective failure called by Falos · · Score: 1

    Right, it's not like Big (anything) is any better. Do people think Disney is wearing a halo? Google is probably in an ideal position to design this curriculum from.

    I certainly understand being wary of the fuckers (re: Big Firewall, military AI, etc), but then how about stripping away the branding and sponsorship and Brought To You By.

    Though, I doubt google's slideshows and flash games will actually give a comprehensive internet-guard upbringing. That would include wisdom like general practices against centralization, tracking, IoT - subjects where google prefers you to be complacent, gardenwalled, spoonfed, and in particular, dependent.

  14. its really quite simple. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    in 2018 the only reasonable answer when asked to "think of the children" is an extreme. So either the kids learn to cough up their personal data with Google, or they lean about the gay frog chemicals from the blog of Alex Jones.

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    1. Re: its really quite simple. by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      I'm less worried about gay frogs, than children having their personal information exploited for the rest of their lives. Call me old fashioned.

  15. BuzzFeed News Teaching Google About Online Fraud by theodp · · Score: 1

    You can't be 'Internet Awesome', Google tells children on their 'Certificates of Internet Awesomeness', unless 'You know how to tell the difference between the real and the fake.' By that standard, Google itself is not 'Internet Awesome.' From Tuesday's Google Online Security Blog post: "Last week, BuzzFeed News provided us with information that helped us identify new aspects of an ad fraud operation across apps and websites that were monetizing with numerous ad platforms, including Google. While our internal systems had previously caught and blocked violating websites from our ad network, in the past week we also removed apps involved in the ad fraud scheme so they can no longer monetize with Google. Further, we have blacklisted additional apps and websites that are outside of our ad network, to ensure that advertisers using Display & Video 360 (formerly known as DoubleClick Bid Manager) do not buy any of this traffic. We are continuing to monitor this operation and will continue to take action if we find any additional invalid traffic. While our analysis of the operation is ongoing, we estimate that the dollar value of impacted Google advertiser spend across the apps and websites involved in the operation is under $10 million."

  16. Lord Google, Hallowed Be Thy Searches by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    "Give me the child for his first seven years, and Iâ(TM)ll give you the man" was a memorable Jesuit quote from the book The God Delusion.

  17. Who Else Is There? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are parents stepping up to handle this? Schools? Local governments? If not Google, or some other corporation, who else is attempting to fill this role? Google may objectively be the worst possible choice for this particular role, but they also seem to be the only choice.

  18. Why complain about something positive? by Targon · · Score: 2

    While people can complain about how corporations may act behind the scenes, there is a huge problem right now with people who fall for what most of us might consider an obvious scam. Phishing attacks, phone calls "from Microsoft", and "Your computer is sending out viruses, let us come in and we will fix it for you" type things are becoming increasingly common. If Google is going to do a good thing and teach kids not to fall for these types of scams, is that REALLY a bad thing? We are not talking about classes talking about corporate ethics, we are talking about some pretty straight forward stuff that kids SHOULD be taught from an early age.

  19. Re: Considering the collective failure called by plague911 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Left parents just are screaming for censorship. Right parents lack even the most basic ability to judge the credibility of sources. Generic corporate overlord Google is a much better adult guide than either of those two groups.

  20. An ad company wants to by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    get into education?
    To spread its own domestic party political politics? For the ads?

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  21. Compared to what? by foxalopex · · Score: 1

    Considering how badly some parents handle their kids (or in some cases not at all) then Google might actually do a better job there. Google's already everywhere on the Internet almost. The only way to avoid Google is to go to their competitors which are probably doing the exact same things or worse. It's in Google's best interests to ensure our kids have a good experience from the Internet and not a tragic or bad one.

  22. Log off your Android Phone by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    Does it teach kids how to log off their Android phone?

    Your phone still works, with a few awkward workarounds*, if you log out of your Google account and keep using it.

    (*some are really awkward, actually. If you log out of your phone, your 'contacts' disappear. The workaround is to export your Contacts to a vcard file and then read that Vcard file back into your 'contacts list' after you've logged out of Google.)

    Kids can also learn how to make sure they are logged out of Google on their browser. And how to have multiple browsers, including only one that their Google account is logged into.

    It isn't perfect and Google still has ways of planting 'bugs' to trace you, but these are the sorts of things children need to learn.