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China, Russia Are Listening To Trump's Phone Calls, Says NYT Report (thehill.com)
Rick Zeman writes: According to The New York Times, the Chinese are regularly listening to Donald Trump's cellphone calls (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source). While he has two NSA-hardened iPhones, and a secure landline, he insists on using a consumer-grade iPhone -- even while knowing he's being eavesdropped upon -- because it has his contact list on it. "White House officials say they can only hope he refrains from discussing classified information when he is on them," reports the New York Times. But, officials were also confident that "he was not spilling secrets because he rarely digs into the details of the intelligence he is shown and is not well versed in the operational specifics of military or covert activities"; in other words, security through ignorance. The article mentions the rationale is to be able to listen to his calls to find out what and whom influences him, and that the Russians also listen in, albeit with less frequency because of his unique relationship with Vladimir Putin.
Are you forgetting who it is we're discussing here? This is the guy that blathers all over Twitter constantly, in defiance of all logic and reason, contradicting official Policy, even contradicting himself, attacking friend and foe alike, and so on, and so on, and so on. How is it so far outside the realm of possibility that he's blathering about State Secrets and other classified subjects on an unsecured phone?
Dumbest. Traitor. EVER.
Truly imagine the quality of person that Trump had to beat to make it into office. That's how low the bar was, and nothing indicates to me that it somehow has changed.
Stunningly, there are people on the left who say with a straight face that the same person/people should run again against Trump.
It seems to me the real traitors here reside in the DNC.
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We tried, but the FBI preemptively gave immunity to everyone involved and then let one of the people implicated in the crime that they already interviewed sit with Hillary during her interview.
Many of "her emails" were classified, unlike whatever Trump is talking about on the phone (as per the summary). Does Trump look like the kind of guy that goes into specifics over the phone?
In fact what would be far more Trump-like is him knowing the Chinese were listening, and leading them on in some ways... you have to wonder what he's said about tariffs with others knowing the Chinese were listening in.
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TFA is based on the assumption that any consumer grade cell phone can be monitored at will by the Chinese and Russians.
This strawman argument is completely made up. This assumption never appears in the article. Instead the article says, "American spy agencies, the officials said, had learned that China and Russia were eavesdropping on the president’s cellphone calls from human sources inside foreign governments and intercepting communications between foreign officials." Of course, each reader is free to discount the competence of American intelligence agencies, like our President does.
The Chinese strategy is not to learn nuggets of classified information. Instead, "the officials said they have also determined that China is seeking to use what it is learning from the calls — how Mr. Trump thinks, what arguments tend to sway him and to whom he is inclined to listen — to keep a trade war with the United States from escalating further. In what amounts to a marriage of lobbying and espionage, the Chinese have pieced together a list of the people with whom Mr. Trump regularly speaks in hopes of using them to influence the president, the officials said."
Perhaps the most interesting idea from the article is "Russia is not believed to be running as sophisticated an influence effort as China because of Mr. Trump’s apparent affinity for President Vladimir V. Putin, a former official said." That is, Mr. Xi can only dream of being like Putin. So, instead Xi needs spy tactics to learn which Americans to taint, but Putin can talk to his American friend directly.
Maybe it's the same reason Obama insisted on using his Blackberry?
Perhaps the NSA should focus on user convenience and accessibility, because people will subvert security to achieve them. Security basics, NSA, fucking learn your job.
He is POTUS. There are no personal things.
How so? He's not allowed to call a friend and wish them happy birthday or express he condolences for a death in the family? He cannot call his friends and joke around or discuss the weather's effect on their arthritis?
Look, the problem here with this story is we DON'T KNOW what he's talking about on that unclassified line. The sources being quoted don't know, the reporter doesn't know and nobody being quoted can point to specific classified information that was leaked. This is a manufactured controversy, assembled by the journalist, i.e. it's FAKE NEWS.
I've worked in classified environments in the past. We had two phones on our desks, one classified, one not. Where I didn't use the unclassified phone very much, I did talk to my wife and kids occasionally. Was I leaking classified information doing this? I sure hope not, and I certainly didn't have overtly classified discussions over the black phone... Ever... It's not that hard to imagine POTUS doing the same kind of thing. Yet... We are regaled by this garbage journalist's implications, without a shred of actual evidence..
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