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Lavender's Soothing Scent Could Be More Than Just Folk Medicine (nytimes.com)

An anonymous reader writes: In a study published Tuesday in the journal Frontiers in Behavioral Neuroscience, [physiologist and neuroscientist Hideki Kashiwadani] and his colleagues found that sniffing linalool, an alcohol component of lavender odor, was kind of like popping a Valium (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source). It worked on the same parts of a mouse's brain, but without all the dizzying side effects. And it didn't target parts of the brain directly from the bloodstream, as was thought. Relief from anxiety could be triggered just by inhaling through a healthy nose. Their findings add to a growing body of research demonstrating anxiety-reducing qualities of lavender odors and suggest a new mechanism for how they work in the body. Dr. Kashiwadani believes this new insight is a key step in developing lavender-derived compounds like linalool for clinical use in humans.

In this study, they exposed mice to linalool vapor, wafting from filter paper inside a specially made chamber to see if the odor triggered relaxation. Mice on linalool were more open to exploring, indicating they were less anxious than normal mice. And they didn't behave like they were drunk, as mice on benzodiazepines, a drug used to treat anxiety, or injected with linalool did. But the linalool didn't work when they blocked the mice's ability to smell, or when they gave the mice a drug that blocks certain receptors in the brain. This suggested that to work, linalool tickled odor-sensitive neurons in the nose that send signals to just the right spots in the brain -- the same ones triggered by Valium.

118 comments

  1. Oh. Shoot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I clicked on the comments hoping someone would tell me where to get some of this stuff.

    Alas, I'm one of the first one's here.

    So, like, where can I get some of this stuff. You know... for a friend.

    1. Re:Oh. Shoot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/lavender-essential-oil/profile

    2. Re:Oh. Shoot. by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      Better yet, go to Provence in France, and walk through the lavender fields.

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    3. Re:Oh. Shoot. by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Better yet, go to Provence in France, and walk through the lavender fields.

      It'd be quicker and cheaper for most people to go to Walmart. I'll bet they'll have seeds, plants, and essential oils in stock.

    4. Re:Oh. Shoot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No thanks. Too much lavender gives me a migrane

    5. Re:Oh. Shoot. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      I clicked on the comments hoping someone would tell me where to get some of this stuff.

      Alas, I'm one of the first one's here.

      So, like, where can I get some of this stuff. You know... for a friend.

      I have found that this shit actually works. https://www.thisworks.com/us/d...

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    6. Re: Oh. Shoot. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      When you gotta name your product line "this works", I am, for some reason, immediately suspicious.

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    7. Re: Oh. Shoot. by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

      When you gotta name your product line "this works", I am, for some reason, immediately suspicious.

      Lingering memories of Microsoft Works gave me the same reaction.

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  2. Relaxing smells relax creatures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So mice think lavender can smell good too. Shocking.

    1. Re:Relaxing smells relax creatures by war4peace · · Score: 2

      Give a dog a coke, which many people think smells good.

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  3. We already know scents can have physical effects by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a long history of scents affecting many real physical attributes, so it's no surprise that something as commonly loved as Lavender would have such an effect also.

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  4. Now we know why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah. That's why they even bothered to do this testing.
    That hitherto subjective idea is now much more objective.

    Use your subjective ideas to help you find objective truths; if you can't find an objective truth, then at least have the courtesy not to force your subjective ideas on other people. That's how you build Civilized Society.

  5. At last. by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

    A cure for nervous mice that won't produce dangerous or unpleasant side effects.

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    1. Re:At last. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... sniffing linalool, an alcohol component of lavender odor, was kind of like popping a Valium ...

      Help !

      Please help me fight my Lavender Addiction !!!

    2. Re:At last. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, for a start, lavender crayons inserted up the nose at just the right depth will provide some relief.

    3. Re:At last. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, for a start, lavender crayons inserted up the nose at just the right depth will provide some relief.

      Please self-demonstrate.

  6. Prior Study by Dripdry · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe there was something wrong with it, but the following was done 20 years ago:
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/...

    Can anyone explain why mice needed to be studied when it looks like human studies were already done with a few different "types" (again, not a chemist here) of linalool?

    Thanks.

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    1. Re:Prior Study by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

      The study in TFA was more in-depth and thorough. It's rare for a single study to provide all of the answers to all of the questions with complete certainty. For example, the current study looked at the mechanism for the effect rather than simply determining that an effect existed.

    2. Re:Prior Study by zmooc · · Score: 1

      I don't have a clue and I didn't RTFA either, but I'm still going to comment.

      In my brain, smells can activate memories that have been dormant for ages. Along with these memories, strong feelings can come up too. Usually nice feelings. This is much more so with scent than with the other senses (at least to me). I think this can taint any research on the physical effects of such smells tremendously.

      I can imagine this to play less of a role in mice; they likely have less complex memories and less memories. Also it is probably easy to find a bunch of mice that have never smelled lavender before and thus do not have any memories attached.

      But I'm just speculating :)

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    3. Re:Prior Study by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      It's hard to get an ethics committee to approve chopping up humans' brains after exposure to investigate mechanisms.

    4. Re:Prior Study by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      The scientist in the study were clearly paid off by Big Lavender (TM)

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  7. Worst Job Ever by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Funny

    But the linalool didn't work when they blocked the mice's ability to smell

    Imagine your whole life being the person who has to fit tiny nose plugs on mice - and then get them off again later and wash them for re-use.

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    1. Re:Worst Job Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disposable mouse plugs!!!

    2. Re:Worst Job Ever by mnemotronic · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... Imagine your whole life being the person who has to fit tiny nose plugs on mice - and then get them off again later and wash them for re-use.

      This was the fourty-second of an endless number of their experiments on us humans.

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    3. Re:Worst Job Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine your whole life being the person who has to fit tiny nose plugs on mice - and then get them off again later and wash them for re-use.

      Well, to be fair, you have just experimented on them. Some fun time and a bath is the least that you could do for them.

    4. Re:Worst Job Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know a guy who spent a whole summer working in a lab identifying the gender of mice.

      All day, every day, picking up mice and looking at their genitals.

    5. Re:Worst Job Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sad part is he now googles pictures of mouse genitals all day

    6. Re: Worst Job Ever by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Actually they are experimenting on us.

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  8. Here it comes by mysidia · · Score: 2

    Roche: Oh crap... something with effects similar to our product that isn't a controlled substance....

    * Has lobbyists call up buddies in the DEA and congress *

    Ban it! Ban It! Ban it! This is a threat
     
    ..... 3 months later ....

    Cultivating lavender, possessing any lavender or lavender products.... Now illegal.

    1. Re:Here it comes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And thousands of knitters and crocheters rose up and fought back with knitting needles and crochet hooks!

    2. Re:Here it comes by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Always remember, kids: just because they're out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.

    3. Re:Here it comes by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

      Always remember, kids: just because they're out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.

      The lavender takes care of the paranoia, they're just out to get you now.

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  9. just don't call them lab rats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the mice were relatively happy in general until the custom made nose plugs were inserted? prevented from smelling? honestly?

  10. I *HATE* lavendar by The_Dougster · · Score: 2

    It makes me want to vomit. Its the worst scent/flavor ever. Not suitable for anything imo. Should be BANNED!

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    1. Re:I *HATE* lavendar by Daralantan · · Score: 2

      Ahhhh. The soothing effects of vomiting everywhere.

    2. Re:I *HATE* lavendar by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 4, Funny

      It makes me want to vomit. Its the worst scent/flavor ever. Not suitable for anything imo. Should be BANNED!

      Damn, dude, did you misplace your Valium?

    3. Re:I *HATE* lavendar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, we found the guy that works for Roche. He wants to ban it.

    4. Re:I *HATE* lavendar by Zorro · · Score: 1

      Seconded.

      I associate the smell with sickness and hospitals.

    5. Re:I *HATE* lavendar by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The flavour goes great with roast lamb as long as you don't use too much. If you like rosemary, substitute about 1/4 of it.

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  11. Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure if I've ever smelled the actual flower, but every lavender-scented thing I remember had a really bad sort of burnt-chemical smell, Like if you threw a stick of deodorant in the fire or something. Don't know how accurate that is to the real thing but there's no way I could describe it as "soothing".

    1. Re:Am I the only one by sjames · · Score: 1

      You should try the actual essential oil to decide. Perhaps lavender really isn't for you, or perhaps cheap fake lavender is just crap. I find many things that supposedly smell "just like" actual flowers smell terrible and irritating while the actual essential oil and the flowers themselves smell good to me.

  12. Re:We already know scents can have physical effect by pjt33 · · Score: 2

    One obvious question would be whether it replaces Valium only in treatment of mental health or also in its treatment of muscular injuries.

  13. Anecdotal data warning! by ph1ll · · Score: 1

    My wife is a lawyer and more clever than me (she says) but loves hippy-dippy, tree-hugging, unscientific "medicine". She gave birth to both our children with no drugs but lavendar oil. OK, it's only two data points but child birth is excruciatingly painful so do it twice is evidence to me there may be some merit to these claims.

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    1. Re:Anecdotal data warning! by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1, Insightful

      My wife is [...] clever [...] but loves hippy-dippy, tree-hugging, unscientific "medicine"

      You don't see the contradiction in that?

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    2. Re:Anecdotal data warning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only had to read "My wife is [...] clever" to spot the contradiction

    3. Re: Anecdotal data warning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the (she says)

    4. Re:Anecdotal data warning! by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      Oblig. link to relevant comic strip. Timely too.

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    5. Re:Anecdotal data warning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linalool is also found in cannabis.

    6. Re:Anecdotal data warning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the person who can't apparently read full sentences. Did your finger get tired?

    7. Re:Anecdotal data warning! by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Given the study in TFA and the anecdotal report from OP, perhaps she's smarter than you too.

    8. Re: Anecdotal data warning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clever includes things outside the objective & rational.

    9. Re:Anecdotal data warning! by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Once it's been empirically evaluated and found to be effective, it's just medicine. Just because something is a hippy-dippy, tree-hugging belief, doesn't automatically make it incorrect.

      If you think that she believes in a lot of other things that are demonstrably wrong through evidence, this provides a good opportunity since you can clearly point to something she already believes in and has personal experience with as having been scientifically validated. Perhaps she'll give more credence to science than she otherwise would and might be more willing to examine her other beliefs through that lens.

    10. Re: Anecdotal data warning! by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

      The placebo effect is valid, so who cares as long as it works*? If you can give birth using essential oils I guess that's preferable to being another Oxy addict. *assuming the wife isn't neglecting vaccines etc

  14. Re:We already know scents can have physical effect by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anything that gets your brains to produce endorphins will have an affect. A joke, a massage, a good snack with various food types, you could do it your self with meditation techniques that produce endorphins, hell if you have a sprained wrist, I could make that pain go away by breaking you legs. Obviously the pain in your legs would dominate your conciousness but that agony would also get your brain to release more endorphins which would be enough to silence the pain in your wrist and go some way to mitigating the pain in your leg, not completely of course but such is life ;D.

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  15. Re:Snake oil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FUN FACT: the original Chinese snake oil is actually a very good analgesic and anti-inflammatory. Its reputation in the US was ruined by attacks from rivals and fake oils that were not actually taken from snakes.

  16. wow ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So a pleasant fragrance calms rodents and probably also people. What's the next step ? Closing a human in a room and test if a disgusting odor make him/her anxious while a good one relax him/her ?

  17. Re:We already know scents can have physical effect by sjames · · Score: 1

    RTFA! This isn't just about the smell being relaxing, the research delves into WHY the smell is relaxing.

  18. not that unique by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Smelling basically any delicious food makes me happier. I don't think this is the greatest discovery of all time. People have known that scents can affect mental states for centuries.

  19. Re:We already know scents can have physical effect by technothrasher · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anything that gets your brains to produce endorphins will have an affect.

    This study seems to suggest the linalool is affecting GABA transmission, not endorphins. In other words, it would seem to reduce nerve excitability in general, not specifically pain signals.

  20. Slashdot's science stories could be just nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You misspelt "Behavioral Neuropseudoscience".

  21. Re:THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is he so objectively terrible?

  22. Re:Traitors get the fuck out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump had to repeal the INF to clarify the situation with your mom's farts.

  23. I doubt it by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    Humans would have it everywhere. And primitive man would have used it for this purpose in his primitive medicine cabinet. It would be in supplements today. Besides, things that affect the nervous system do so by poisoning it in some way. It would be the same with linalool.

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    1. Re:I doubt it by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      things that affect the nervous system do so by poisoning it in some way.

      There are chemicals that nourish the nervous system; they definitely affect the nervous system. You are claiming that nourishment is poisoning.

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    2. Re:I doubt it by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      As for the primitive medicine cabinet - it's been a folk remedy for a few hundred, maybe a few thousand years.
      As for being in supplements - It is.
      As for humans having it everywhere - check the aromatherapy spas, or your mom's bath oils, or the herbalist...
      "Drugs affecting the nervous system" might mean any one of hundreds of substances that do dozens of different things in the body, some of which can be called "poisonous", and some of which can't.

  24. The result? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    Citizens! I have disturbing news.

    We have an epidemic of drug abuse grwoing right underfoot.

    Lavender, and the devil's aftershave, Linalool!

    Join us in stomping out this abomination, and write your congressman demanding an immediate "War on Lavender".

    Your's in Christ, Jesus

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  25. It explains why CBD is effectiive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    duh, the cannabis community has known about linalool for years, it's one of the terpenes most commonly found in CBD.

    Of course now that MJ is legal in Canada we'll start to see the studies confirming the positive effects CBD and the terpenes contained within. Keep a lookout for showing up in the press:

    Betacaryophyllene
    Linalool
    Pinene
    Myrcene
    Limonene

  26. derived compounds for clinics! MORONS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why medicine costs too much! They bias studies etc so now we don't even THINK anymore!
    lavender-derived compounds like linalool for clinical use i

    It is CHEAP as it is and available. So just use it. Do not make an expensive drug out of it then invest tons of money ONLY getting the drug approved. Usually the drug has tons of problems while the natural one is far better or at least far cheaper. 10 years later we find out that we need to extract another chemical we didn't isolate before so the side effects can go away in the new patented version of the drug... stuff that was in lavender in the 1st place...

    Finding out why it works is ok; but that shouldn't preclude it's use and approval and we shouldn't have so much greed promoting expensive knock offs for things that already exist cheaply, may work about as well, safer, possibly work better for most people.

    AND STOP IT WITH THE MICE . it's embarrassingly stupid and unscientific.

    1. Re:derived compounds for clinics! MORONS! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Many things in mice are similar to humans, that's why testing things on mice has some scientific validity.

      Mice only live a couple of years, so testing things that are meant to extend lifespan produce results in mice before the people running the experiment die. Mice are cheap. Testing mice doesn't hurt humans.

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    2. Re:derived compounds for clinics! MORONS! by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

      Testing mice doesn't hurt humans.

      Famouse last words.

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  27. Re:Snake oil. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

    Plain and simple.

    No, lavender oil. It says so right in the summary!

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  28. Re:We already know scents can have physical effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To filter pain signals you would need a better firewall.

  29. It's a good way to lose your nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean testicles. Lavender is a potent androgen blocker so if you want to be a girly boy, enjoy the lavender scent.

  30. Of course, huffing anything can affect you by istartedi · · Score: 1

    This should be no surprise. Most people don't huff enough lavender to get messed up; but I know a couple who did. They were processing vast amounts of it to make soap and other products. They claim that without proper ventilation it sort of made them "too relaxed" to the point of being "out of it" or something. It seemed credible to me, and this backs it up.

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    1. Re:Of course, huffing anything can affect you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can try it yourself. Linalool is fairy cheap as far as scented chemicals go. Assuming you have a business license you can buy it at the VWR store for like US$27
      https://us.vwr.com/store/catalog/product.jsp?catalog_number=AAA14424-AE
      At 100 mL it is more than enough to self experiment on.

  31. Felt Markers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just smell felt (aka 'Magic') markers! Very soothing.

  32. Re:THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After years of research, it's been discovered that SuperKendall stimulates the "lying cunt" receptors in your reptilian brain.

  33. studies on aromatherapy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...or any substance which has a strong smell are notoriously difficult.

    How do you establish a control group? The placebos are a problem. The control group will always know they don't smell anything different. If you do not know whether the smell is the agent of the efficacy, how do you know if the use of nose plugs is the correct way to control? Are the nasal passages just the means of ingestion which works best? Or does efficacy require the actual sensation?

  34. Not patentable by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Dr. Kashiwadani believes this new insight is a key step in developing lavender-derived compounds like linalool for clinical use in humans.

    Since Big Pharma will not be able to patent this natural compound, they are not likely to promote it.

  35. APK's pathetic weaseling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject! No SHA256 for the version evaluated by Malwarebytes. You're a fucking failure at even the most basic security.

    I demand you stop smearing the good name of Steve Burn. Blue's Clues was the best television show ever!

    ZIP

  36. "ZIP" u just plain FAIL vs. me w/ proof... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "ZIP" you just plain FAIL vs. me w/ proof https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... on "You're a better programmer than I" & yet you STALK me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous PROVING YOU FEAR ME by you ADMITTING you have a registered 'lusr' account on /. https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... & yet downmod bomb me like the BACKSTABBING "hiding" WEEZIL you are.

    * IF anyone knows about SMEARING themselves, it's YOU "ZIP" (blowhard).

    APK

    P.S.=> You've got issues STALKING me etc. - Why don't you put some of that WASTED energy of yours into making something GOOD like I can & DO, that even other /.ers LIKE/USE/PRAISE? Do you lack the skills?? I thought YOU were the 'better programmer' than I (not, see link above, lol)... apk

  37. Malwarebytes' Steven Burn audited my code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: He BOTH hosts + RECOMMENDS it -> forum.hosts-file.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4290

    My code's also VIRUS PROOF (self-checking mathematically down to 1 byte change) upmodded @ CODING FOR DEFCON on /. in 2005 as a good method http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    I won't give my work away so "OpenSORES" thieves can use it (or abuse it - which you morons THREATENED to do IF I opensourced it, see EFast/Google Chrome).

    APK

    P.S.=> Dozens of REGISTERED /. users (+ 100,000 users worldwide) disagree with you https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

    Hosts results STOPPING MALWARE = UNDENIABLE https://science.slashdot.org/c...

    SECURITY PROS agree hosts work https://it.slashdot.org/commen... for MORE speed AND security & they do so NATIVELY for less (resources consumed, less moving parts for exploit vs. SECURITY ISSUE RIDDLED DNS/AntiVirus (which slow you down vs. local hosts in RAM cached) ... apk

  38. c6gunner's impersonating me & lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: c6gunner's name on this post as submitter yet signed "APK" https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & he ran from a fair challenge I put to him https://linux.slashdot.org/com... after insulting me.

    * I never say hosts cure Spectre/Meltdown OR it'd be on the Start64.com download page & I do NO MacOS X one!

    I cut him to pieces for his lies:

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    https://developers.slashdot.or...

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

    APK

    P.S.=> You say hosts = shit https://slashdot.org/comments.... ? /.ers & security pros + RESULTS say DIFFERENT:

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    EAT YOUR WORDS

  39. Re:Malwarebytes' Steven Burn audited my code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey retard why do you keep running from my simple challenge that you said your fake security software can accomplish? Come on apk produce that list of all possible host entries for APK-is-a-retard.com domain like you claim your bullshit security software can produce. At this point I would accept even 1% of that list but you know you can't deliver because you are a liar and got caught again.

    Because you keep getting caught in your lies you refuse to accept facts just like you did with arth1, just like you did when you said hosts does port filtering, and just like you do now, you prove to everyone that you are a retard. You keep being exposed as a fraud and then you try to deflect from that. So come on shit for brains pussy APK, show me that list you say your retardware can produce.

  40. Wildcards produce false positives... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You admit it "Yes wildcards can cause false positives" - by UNIDENTIFIABLE Anonymous STALKER of me on Thursday October 25, 2018 (#57536347) FROM https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... - hosts specifics don't.

    * Hosts = easy to edit vs. it OR use my program's FALSE POSITIVE FILTER & hosts WORK for more security vs. threats https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    I never said hosts do port filters.

    You IMPERSONATE me to try make it look like that!

    Like c6gunner was caught doing forgetting to submit AC using his registered 'lusr'name instead https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

    A SIMPLE TEST USING MY PROGRAM PROVES IT https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... & IF hosts could do port filtering I'd say it on the download page @ Start64.com for it AND my program would DO it (it does not & STOPS that error).

    APK

    P.S.=> Arth1 TRIED that & FAILED https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... + I caught you in a LIE Github https://www.welivesecurity.com... vs. YOUR LIE https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

  41. shit head retard APK caught in more lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry shit head APK just because you deny actual evidence and facts doesn't make them false, it just means you are a retard. I never said I wanted a wild card or pattern match, I said I wanted the complete list of all possiable host entries for the APK-is-a-retard.com domain like you claim your bullshit security software can produce. You keep running from this request because your little toy program can't produce that. I even said I would accept a list containing just 1% but you are too afraid of being exposed as a fraud there to even attempt that even easier task. From this we must conclude that your software in fact does not work and by extension should not be used or trusted.

    We have been over the port filtering issue many times now and it was documented here but like the retard you are you deny the facts. In the argument you got into with arth1 you showed the world that you don't know how domains, host names, and DNS work which is yet another reason why we shouldn't trust your bullshit security solution that you state deals in that area. So here we have 3 example of you lying about things that have been exposed and each and every time you try to change the subject to deflect from your failure.

  42. I block malwares discovered as threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I add malware/botnet C&C etc. as they're discovered as threats & BLOCK them (facts = all I need ->) https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... to THAT effect, proof's RIGHT there in just SOME examples.

    (I never made claims other than that above UNLESS YOU IMPERSONATED ME AGAIN & you DO, see my 'p.s.' below for proof of it - I catch MOST of you doing it but I am sure not all)

    * ... & those I BLOCK? They're STILL threats, no questions asked, UNLESS you block them out & my hosts program does from 8 reputable hosts makers + security articles data you collect yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> Your IMPERSONATING me is proven c6gunner's no 1st https://linux.slashdot.org/com... )

    Saying things like I have a MacOS X version (I do not) & that "hosts cure Spectre/Meltdown (they do not) https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

    PORTFILTERING SIMPLE TEST THAT SLAMS YOUR MOUTH SHUT https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... & YOU FAIL - My program FILTERS out 'portfilters' errors in hosts... apk

  43. Retard APK deflects from his failure more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Retard APK, I want you to show that your shitware program has this feature you claim it has. You say it handles dynamically generated host names and can be updated by a simple .ini file change. You can't claim you were being impersonated as you have pointed to that thread several times and claimed you destroyed arth1 like the loser you are. So now I demand proof that your garbage toy can actually generate the complete list of all possible host entries for the APK-is-a-retard.com domain. You stated that your would could do such a thing now prove it or was this just another one of your lies? I keep saying I will let you off easy and will accept even a list that contains 1% but you can't even do that. I've shown how to avoid your efforts, now you need to show that you can stop mine.

    No one but you has been stating anything about port filtering, then you deny you said it, then you construct a strawman argument because you got caught. It was all documented here and yet you keep repeating your bogus argument because that is how you roll.

    I am not c6gunner you obsessed loon. While I have never impersonated your dumb ass I have seen you state many times that you had a MacOS version coming but that you were waiting on one of your idiot butt buddies to compile it for you. It has been months now so that must also be another of your lies. Besides, that c6gunner post is clearly a parody thus not an impersonation of you and is pretty damn funny.

  44. DGA trackers exist STUPID... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DGA trackers exist STUPID (how dumb do you feel NOW asswipe) TONS of them https://www.bing.com/search?FO..."Domain"%20and%20"DGA"%20and%20"tracker"

    * That's how I get those too dumbfuck.

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU, as always, LOSE - ESPECIALLY on PORT FILTER LIE you told just like MacOS X &/or Spectre-Meltdown too YOU IMPERSONATED ME TO DO THEM https://news.slashdot.org/comm... to try "discredit me" but your OWN GAME backfired on you - you're BUSTED c6gunner (you're not the only one I can show this from either) https://linux.slashdot.org/com... A SIMPLE TEST USING MY PROGRAM STOPS "port filters" IN HOSTS & IF hosts could do THAT? My program WOULD https://news.slashdot.org/comm... ... apk

  45. HOW STUPID DO YOU FEEL NOW? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DGA trackers exist STUPID (how dumb do you feel NOW asswipe) TONS of them https://www.bing.com/search?FO...

    * That's how I get those too dumbfuck.

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU, as always, LOSE - ESPECIALLY on PORT FILTER LIE you told just like MacOS X &/or Spectre-Meltdown too YOU IMPERSONATED ME TO DO THEM https://news.slashdot.org/comm... to try "discredit me" but your OWN GAME backfired on you - you're BUSTED c6gunner (you're not the only one I can show this from either) https://linux.slashdot.org/com... A SIMPLE TEST USING MY PROGRAM STOPS "port filters" IN HOSTS & IF hosts could do THAT? My program WOULD https://news.slashdot.org/comm... ... apk

  46. Great retard APK, now prove it works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great so you don't disclaim your retarded statements, now prove that you can create a list of all hosts file entries that will block all possible hosts under the APK-is-a-retard.com domain like you claim your bullshit security software can produce. As stated before many times now I will even accept a list that only contains 1%. You will have to post it here on slashdot but this will give the a chance to prove another one of your lies, that you have unlimited posting too. You won't because your shit toy program doesn't fucking work because it was written by a retarded liar. It provides no security as I demonstrated how simple it is to circumvent all your effort. Furthermore all of your efforts are just a band aid long after things have happened that requires people spend many minutes to later experience milliseconds of speedup.

    I see you are still obsessed with c6gunner and have to keep deflecting away from your unending failure. You also really need to seek professional help as you are getting more unhinged by the moment and becoming evermore detached from reality. Maybe someday your parents will stop regretting not aborting you, but today isn't that day and the rest of the century isn't looking so good either.

  47. WTF? LOL - I just did! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By using my program feeding from prebuilt lists "automagically" OR manually as I do from security stes https://science.slashdot.org/c... OR DGA trackers (most dangerous type) https://science.slashdot.org/c...

    * They're STILL dangerous (until they're sinkholed, not many get that, especially OFFSHORE ones) & I block them!

    As far as it "not working/being shitware"?

    Ahem: SECURITY PROS etc. SAY DIFFERENTLY vs. you UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS TROLL WORM STALKER of me https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    APK

    P.S.=> ... & I can add blocked ones to NO END doesn't affect PERFORMANCE, alive or not, doesn't matter - ONLY ENTRIES IN MY HOSTS FILE that matter are my FAVORITE sites @ TOP of hosts for FASTEST POSSIBLE LOCAL RAM RESOLUTION cached - rest are BLOCKED - WHO CARES HOW "FAST" I GET TO THOSE - I never INTEND to get to them, they're blocked: TTL does the rest)... apk

  48. Where, you retarded fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where did you provide the list of all possible hosts file entries under the domain APK-is-a-retard.com you retarded fuck? I have seen no list, so you must be a retarded liar. Obviously your work is shit because you keep dodging this issue. None of those you claim are security pros (some tech journalists, some random dudes on an open forum, a bullshit post from you that can't be independently verified, someone who says host black lists don't work, and an old AOL radio interview) has ever endorsed your work and I have torn those links apart before and you failed to refute anything I said. Other have done the same too.

  49. LMAO - that's what DGA's DO stupid... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LMAO - It's what DGA's DO stupid (generate TONS of RANDOM hostnames) & I get them as they are known (not long: TONS of guys track 'em & I get them)

    Yes - JUST as I do other threats via PREBUILT lists, like hpHosts does for Malwarebytes WHO HOST & RECOMMEND my ware (do they YOUR non-existent "notware"? No, lol) OR security articles (manually like DGA lists, merge them into your existing PROTECTIVE hosts file (which also SPEEDS YOU UP 2 ways - BONUS)).

    * You TRY "wildcard" a NOTORIOUS DOMAIN or HOSTER?

    You WILL get FALSE POSITIVES LIKE MAD - not all of them under it are "bad".

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts file SPECIFICS never do that & you can EDIT OUT (or in) ANYTHING into the as you like OR use my program's EDITABLE (Linux only) FALSE POSITIVES FILTER (better merge too & FAR faster Linux model - it's EXCELLENT work built off the foundations of my already WELL PRAISED Win32/64 model https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... ... apk

  50. Re:We already know scents can have physical effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything that gets your brains to produce endorphins will have an affect. A joke, a massage, a good snack with various food types, you could do it your self with meditation techniques that produce endorphins, hell if you have a sprained wrist, I could make that pain go away by breaking you legs. Obviously the pain in your legs would dominate your conciousness but that agony would also get your brain to release more endorphins which would be enough to silence the pain in your wrist and go some way to mitigating the pain in your leg, not completely of course but such is life ;D.

    Anything that gets your brains to produce endorphins will have an affect. A joke, a massage, a good snack with various food types, you could do it your self with meditation techniques that produce endorphins, hell if you have a sprained wrist, I could make that pain go away by breaking you legs. Obviously the pain in your legs would dominate your conciousness but that agony would also get your brain to release more endorphins which would be enough to silence the pain in your wrist and go some way to mitigating the pain in your leg, not completely of course but such is life ;D.

    I was diagnosed of herpes 3 years, and ever since then i have been taking treatment to prevent outbreaks, burning and blisters, but there was no improvement until i came across testimonies of Dr. Okasi on how he has been curing different people from different diseases all over the world, then i contacted him. After our conversation he sent me the medicine which i took according to his instructions for up to 3 weeks. After completing the medication i went back to my doctor for another test and the virus was all gone and i was completely cured, since then i have not had any signs of outbreak. I'm so filled with joy. With herbal medication Herpes Virus is 100% curable. I refer Dr Okasi to everyone out there with the virus Email: okasiherbalsolution@outlook.com, website: okasiherbalsolution.webs.com

  51. Re:We already know scents can have physical effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was diagnosed of herpes 3 years, and ever since then i have been taking treatment to prevent outbreaks, burning and blisters, but there was no improvement until i came across testimonies of Dr. Okasi on how he has been curing different people from different diseases all over the world, then i contacted him. After our conversation he sent me the medicine which i took according to his instructions for up to 3 weeks. After completing the medication i went back to my doctor for another test and the virus was all gone and i was completely cured, since then i have not had any signs of outbreak. I'm so filled with joy. With herbal medication Herpes Virus is 100% curable. I refer Dr Okasi to everyone out there with the virus Email: okasiherbalsolution@outlook.com, website: okasiherbalsolution.webs.com.

  52. Retarded liar APK runs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now post a that list instead of running like the retarded liar you APK. You won't because you can't.

  53. I put out how to find some: Go for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & https://www.bing.com/search?FO...

    * IF I had a themesong? It'd be "There's NOTHING you can't do" position 2:04 "I'm from the EMPIRE STATE & that's (AAAaaaayyy) - New York: Concrete Jungle where DREAMS are MADE OF - there's NOTHING you can't do ( THAT BOY'S GOOD ) From https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    APK

    P.S.=> BECAUSE WE ARE "THE MEN IN BLACK" - "You're a rumor, recognizable only as deja vu and dismissed just as quickly. You don't exist; you were never even born. Anonymity is your name (APK by AC). Silence your native tongue. You're no longer part of the System. You're above the System. Over it. Beyond it. We're "them." We're "they." We are the Men in Black"... apk

  54. APK can't because he is retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Understood. You can't because your work is shit and doesn't function, just like your fucking retarded brain.

  55. REGISTERED /.ers disagree w/ u #1/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * SEE SUBJECT & TELL US: How does EATING YOUR WORDS taste?

    APK

    P.S.=> You're already VASTLY OUTNUMBERED but many more are coming

  56. Registered /.ers disagree w/ u #2/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

    APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file and can't see why it's not used more than it is. My hosts file is 144247 lines long (4,332 Kb) it & a firewall serves me very well - by Trax3001BBS (2368736)

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything APK reminds us about fast turtle September 17 2013

    You need APK's hosts file - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014

    APK

    P.S.=> You EATING YOUR WORDS != GOOD NUTRITION... apk

  57. Registered /.ers disagree w/ u #3/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa on Saturday May 16, 2015

    APK solution STILL relevant Thud457 June 11 2015

    In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment - by Culture20 on Thursday November 17

    you're right about hosts files - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM

    APK

    P.S.=> Are you ENJOYING the taste of EATING YOUR WORDS yet?... apk

  58. Registered /.ers disagree w/ u #4/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

    get around to 'installing' a hosts file list, not sure which one, likely the one from someonewhocares.org. If it works as well as what I used for a while about ten years ago, I'll be happy. And grateful to APK for the lesson and the reminder. - by kermidge (2221646) on Wednesday March 27

    I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster. - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17

    dammit MS, you proved APK right about something by lgw

    APK

    P.S.=> Your words YOU'RE EATING: You choking on them yet?... apk

  59. Registered /.ers disagree w/ u #5/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (APK) is still right a hosts file really does work. It even blocked a some of the video ads that were inserted into a stream OrangeTide February 10 2016

    the Host File Engine performs exactly as promised - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017

    I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * Toss on 100,000++ users worldwide too!

    APK

    P.S.=> You still haven't said how EATING YOUR WORDS tastes? apk

  60. Retard APK shows he has nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And there you have it folks. Retard APK shows that he has nothing as he has to resort to spamming his usual list of out of context quotes from people. If he included the full text of each one they paint a very different picture of him and a number have been retracted or are plainly sarcastic. His failure is complete but he is too mentally deficient to realize that he lost long ago.

  61. Everyone I quoted said what I quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Only part that matters is what I quote. They like/use/praise my APK Hosts File Engine & hosts. Period. They MAY not like me personally, I don't care.

    (I'm not here to win a "popularity contest" - I'm here to WIN (& I am, see their quotes) - especially vs. LOSERS like you "ne'er-do-well" - so everyone wins).

    * You're "SO SURE" of yourself you HIDE behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts constantly STALKING me too? Please... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Grow up & produce something USEFUL others LIKE/USE/PRAISE as I have.. apk

  62. Retard APK's failure is complete. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry retard context matters. You exclude it because if included it makes your work look worthless and you look like an ass. You lost because you couldn't produce what you claimed you could, You lost because you can't defend yourself against any criticism.

  63. Are you saying folks I quote didn't say that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you saying folks I quote didn't say what I quoted from them? FACT: They said my ware's good &/or that they use it - period - you LOSE, loser.

    APK

    P.S.=> Like I said - I'm not here to win your CHILDISH "popularity contests" OR "farm karma" - I'm here to WIN & obviously, I am (stupid & easily cheated via MULTIPLE SOCKPUPPETS "moderation system" more than a FEW of you here use WHEN YOU'RE NOT STALKING ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous like the 'brave guy who stands behind his words' you're doing NOW or IMPERSONATING ME telling lies libeling me etc. & FAILING THAT TOO, lol)... apk