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'Open Source Creators: Red Hat Got $34 Billion and You Got $0. Here's Why.' (tidelift.com)

Donald Fischer, who served as a product manager for Red Hat Enterprise Linux during its creation and early years of growth, writes: Red Hat saw, earlier than most, that the ascendance of open source made the need to pay for code go away, but the need for support and maintenance grew larger than ever. Thus Red Hat was never in the business of selling software, rather it was in the business of addressing the practical challenges that have always come along for the ride with software. [...] As an open source developer, you created that software. You can keep your package secure, legally documented, and maintained; who could possibly do it better? So why does Red Hat make the fat profits, and not you? Unfortunately, doing business with large companies requires a lot of bureaucratic toil. That's doubly true for organizations that require security, legal, and operational standards for every product they bring in the door. Working with these organizations requires a sales and marketing team, a customer support organization, a finance back-office, and lots of other "business stuff" in addition to technology. Red Hat has had that stuff, but you haven't.

And just like you don't have time to sell to large companies, they don't have time to buy from you alongside a thousand other open source creators, one at a time. Sure, big companies know how to install and use your software. (And good news! They already do.) But they can't afford to put each of 1100 npm packages through a procurement process that costs $20k per iteration. Red Hat solved this problem for one corner of open source by collecting 2,000+ open source projects together, adding assurances on top, and selling it as one subscription product. That worked for them, to the tune of billions. But did you get paid for your contributions?

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  1. News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why is this an article? Did these people actually expect to receive compensation?

    1. Re:News? by rhaas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah. Turns out that when you make your software freely available, you do not get paid for it. If you're not OK with that, don't put it under an open source license. This is a feature of open source, not a bug.

    2. Re:News? by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's not "shady". That's explicitly allowed by the GPL, and noted fairly often in discussions about the GPL's use. If you don't like it, pick a different license for your stuff.

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    3. Re: News? by religionofpeas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You clicked on it, didn't you ?

    4. Re:News? by TeknoHog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seems a bit shady though that you put your stuff out for free that someone else can pick it up, package it and sell it on.

      Open source is like science (it was more or less modelled after it). We publish scientific discoveries openly because that's the best way to advance common knowledge. But then we let engineers and salespeople make and sell products out of them. I'm OK with that, because it's a lot of work to develop/sell/maintain/support a product even if you get the science for free.

      If scientific discoveries were copyrightable in the way of music and movies, we'd probably be paying the Faraday family estate for each gadget that uses electricity. You can imagine it's not a great way to advance either the science or the engineering.

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    5. Re:News? by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You confuse speech and beer.
      Red Hat is the best example that free speech does not mean free beer.

      Asking money is neither a feature, nor a bug of open source. I know I have paid for open source. I know the company I work for has paid for open source. I know Red Hat customers have paid for open source.

      There is nothing wrong with paying for it. There is also nothing wrong with handing it out for free.
      Open Source is not about money. It is about the source that needs to be available. Open, as it were.

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    6. Re:News? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's not "shady". That's explicitly allowed by the GPL, and noted fairly often in discussions about the GPL's use. If you don't like it, pick a different license for your stuff.

      Agreed. And I just don't get this hostility.

      You see it a lot in, say, Joomla and WordPress add ons. Those projects want to promote GPL use, so you have to use GPL to get in their add on directories. Many add on makers therefore whine all the time about their software being reproduced and distributed without their approval. Um, guys, you released it under a license that specifically allows users to copy it. That's a big part of the whole point of the GPL.

    7. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      A lot more companies, organizations, and individuals have made money selling services, support, and consulting from their F/OSS codebase.

      What RedHat put to the table were a number of things that take time, money, and trust:

      1: Hardware HSM devices to ensure package security and that the signing key never winds up as a pastebin or torrent. RedHat also took active steps to mitigate when someone compromised a HSM to sign bogus SSH packages.

      2: FIPS and Common Criteria compliance. This may not mean much to most people, but in some environments, it is make or break.

      3: Keeping versions steady and backporting fixes. This ensures that an application that is certified to run on RHEL 7.0 will run on RHEL 7.x, similar to how AIX has binary compatibility guarantees.

      4: STIGs for compliance assurance at install-time. May not be important for people, but critical to businesses.

      5: Erroring on the conservative side. Not many companies do this, especially in DevOps where everyone is locked getting features out there, and not caring about anything else. This by itself warrants the price premium.

      6: Open source with everything.

      All the above not just take time; they take money, especially the auditing and certification process.

    8. Re:News? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seems a bit shady though that you put your stuff out for free that someone else can pick it up, package it and sell it on.

      I am not a huge GPL supporter, but there are a couple things I'd like to point out.

      - The stuff that's been packaged and sold by "someone else" can also, in turn, be repackaged and sold... or given away. The free CentOS distribution exists entirely because Red Hat Exists.

      - Red Hat isn't just a middleman selling other people's work. Red Hat's employees work on - and contribute to - hundreds of different software packages. Red Hat is consistently one of the largest (and often THE largest) contributors of code to the Linux kernel, year after year.

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  2. Used Red Hat since the 90's, paid nothing by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been using their software since the mid-90s with version 3. I have never paid them anything. I bought a third party book on it once, they may have gotten some revenue from that.

  3. Yes by shaitand · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Red hat has hired and payed a huge number of people to develop and contribute to open source code. They've made massive contributions to Linux and are a key part of why it has become what it is today. Fedora/RHEL/CentOS may not be your favorite flavor but the simple fact is that in order to compete against them your favorite flavor adopted things made by them and had to compete with their usability. There are dozens of things in your home right now which are better because of Red Hat's contribution, not to mention all the things you use online.

    I'm not rich because of Red Hat but I have gotten paid. Sadly I was a broke teenager when their IPO happened and the people I strongly advised to get in on it didn't listen.

    1. Re:Yes by habig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not rich because of Red Hat but I have gotten paid. Sadly I was a broke teenager when their IPO happened and the people I strongly advised to get in on it didn't listen.

      This! Note that , although they didn't have to, RH did offer contributors the chance to join the IPO at the time. ALL contributors, not just their inside people. I didn't because I was a broke postdoc at the time, but wanted to: less to make money eventually, but because it'd be cool to own a share of a company that has produced stuff I use daily in the work that I get paid for.

  4. Red Hat Was a Major Contributor by Luthair · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Red Hat has been one of the biggest contributors in the open source ecosystem for a very long time. For the kernel in particular consider unlike many of the other major contributors they are not writing code to supporting their own hardware.

  5. Top contributors by DrYak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you look at the top most contributing devs, you'll notice that they are actually on the pay roll of companies who rely on linux. If they weren't already employed by Red Hat, they would probably be at Intel, Google, even IBM themselves...

    Not all programmers are poor. If they are anywhere near competent (and open-source software makes a great portfolio that is easy to show around), they'll certainly get hired, perhaps even get paid for their open-source hobby.

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  6. Re:Turns out... by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The freedom of other people to make money with software you write -- provided they figure out how -- has always been part of the deal.

    Thee free software economy is still capitalism, it's just capitalism where you're paid for what you do for a specific customer. The proprietary software market is one where investors in effect attempt to collect fees for a naturally unlimited resource created, almost always, by other people.

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  7. Red Hat gave stock to people in the movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Founders of the Atlanta Linux Showcase, which was the main Linux convention in the late 90's, worked their asses off, for free, to make the event happen every year. After a few years Red Hat gave the major contributors some stock, for free, as a thank you. I'm sure they did the same to others, this is just the case I know of.

    In addition, Red Hat hired many contributors to open source, and gave them a good job so that they could continue to develop software, not just for Red Hat but for all of us. Remember Alan Cox? Me too, but there's many more. I'm sure all of those great technical hires got stock and each is getting a bit of the $34 billion.

    Red Hat has always been less selfish and more fair than most software companies. They've always reflected open-source values, IMHO.

  8. I got paid by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I got and get paid by using their contributions to the kernel, among other things. Open Source is a barter economy.

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  9. Re:$34 Billion ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    $34 billion just got handed to investors

  10. Re:Seems like Red Hat should share a bit by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Informative

    They do, just indirectly. What we get is an operating system, sometimes directly (Fedora), sometimes more or less directly (CentOS), sometimes indirectly (Amazon Linux, which more or less is CentOS), that we can use for whatever we want, and don't have to pay for. We don't get direct support for any of these, but we indirectly benefit from those who do.

    And we make money using those operating systems as part of the platforms to implement solutions for our employers.

    Open source contributors? In most cases, they're sharing something with the rest of the community, including RedHat, that solved a problem for themselves or their employers. Often they're getting help with that project by sharing it.

    And in many other cases, they're paid by RedHat - projects like GNOME, Linux, and so on, get funding from both RedHat and the company buying RedHat.

    So... while on some level the headline is true, in practice it reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of how OSS works, and who benefits from it. Nobody goes into open source and says "I'm going to work on an accounting package I have no intention of using and I'm going to donate it to RedHat who'll never mention me again." To read the headline, that's kinda what you'd think goes on.

    People get the full value of what they contribute and then some.

    The money RedHat is getting reflects how its employees and shareholders worked together as a company. They deserve every cent. Linus Torvalds doesn't, believe me, he's more than adequately compensated.

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  11. Re:Seems like Red Hat should share a bit by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    However it does seem like it would really be a great gesture of goodwill, to give some large amount of money (say $10k) to the top 100 RedHat contributors, however they felt like defining it...

    The top 100 Red Hat contributors may very well already be on Red Hat's payroll - being paid to work on the software they're contributing to.

    I used to really be into building my own RPMs, tweaking existing ones, etc. It was quite a learning experience in many ways... one of which was to note just how often the names of Red Hat employees appear in the changelogs for many, many different software packages.

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  12. Linux has been corporate controlled/developed ... by perpenso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is another aspect people are ignoring. Linux has been corporate controlled and developed for years. A lot of work has been subsidized, and therefore directed, by various corporations. Linux is long past the point where it is primarily a "hobbyist" and "volunteer" effort.

    The Linux foundation reports that 75% of kernel development is done by corporate sponsored developers. Who tops the list of these corporate sponsors? Red Hat.
    https://www.computerweekly.com...

  13. #1 Linux supporter: Red Hat, #4: IBM by perpenso · · Score: 5, Informative

    Remember: not only RH pay salary for FLOSS engineers and supporters...

    No, but Red Hat tops the list and IBM is #4:

    "The top 10 organizations sponsoring Linux kernel development since the last report (or Linux kernel 2.6.36) are:
    1. Red Hat,
    2. Intel,
    3. Novell,
    4. IBM,
    5. Texas Instruments,
    6. Broadcom,
    7. Nokia,
    8. Samsung,
    9. Oracle
    10. and Google."

    "... more than 7,800 developers from almost 800 different companies have contributed to the Linux kernel since tracking began in 2005. Of particular interest perhaps is the finding that — seventy-five percent of all kernel development is done by developers who are being paid for their work ..."

    https://www.computerweekly.com...

    1. Re:#1 Linux supporter: Red Hat, #4: IBM by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As I recall the plan for Free Software was to make money off of the support not the development, so things seem to be working according to the plan. ;-)

    2. Re:#1 Linux supporter: Red Hat, #4: IBM by BlueLightning · · Score: 3, Informative

      This article is from 2012. If you want up-to-date stats see LWN's regular reports, e.g. here is a recent one for 4.18:

      https://lwn.net/Articles/76069...

      (Though Red Hat is indeed still right up near the top.)

  14. Re:Turns out... by Rob+Y. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And there's another obvious point. If Linux were not free, it would not exist - let alone have any value. IBM has its own, perfectly good, proprietary unix platform. But they want to sell Linux - because people want to use Linux. And people want to use Linux because its free, which made other people want to use it. If the open source contributors to Linux had intended to eventually be compensated for their code, Linux would not exist. So you can't come along once Red Hat has become a viable business and say "I wrote some of the software - where's my payout?".

    Red Hat's payout is for having become one of the main go-to companies for Linux support - and consistency as a platform over time. And now that many Linux users are migrating to Amazon's cloud, Red Hat's business is likely to shrink. But IBM's cloud business has nowhere to go but up - unless it fails. But it's a $36 billion bet they feel they have to make.

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