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US Accuses China, Taiwan Firms With Stealing Secrets From Chip Giant Micron (yahoo.com)
US Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced charges Thursday against Chinese and Taiwan companies for theft of an estimate $8.75 billion worth of trade secrets from US semiconductor giant Micron. From a report: Sessions said the case was the latest in a series that are part of a state-backed program by Beijing to steal US industrial and commercial secrets. "Taken together, these cases and many others like them paint a grim picture of a country bent on stealing its way up the ladder of economic development and doing so at American expense," Session said. "This behavior is illegal. It is wrong. It is a threat to our national security. And it must stop." The indictment released in the US district court in San Jose, California alleges that Chinese state-owned Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit Co. and privately owned United Microelectronics Corporation of Taiwan, along with three UMC executives, conspired to steal Micron trade secrets to help UMC and Fujian Jinhua develop DRAM chips used in many computer processors. It said the three Taiwanese men -- Stephen Chen Zhengkun, He Jianting and Kenny Wang Yungming -- all previously worked at Micron and stole its technology when they joined UMC with the express purpose of transferring it to Fujian Jinhua, a two-year-old firm. Chen was originally a top executive at Micron, then moved to lead UMC, and subsequently became president of Fujian Jinhua.
It was several years ago, but Russia got caught infiltrating Cisco and eBay. Obama did nothing about it.
I work for a company in the industry. When we receive InfoSec training, we are told that, unlike patents, trade secrets cannot be legally enforced. The only legal resource for trade secrets is confidentiality agreements with employees and contractors. Training tells us that it's fair game if a competitor by any means obtains a trade secret, as it ceases to be secret the moment it's shared. Weren't patents precisely invented to discourage trade secret keeping behavior? Can a trade secret be registered?
The US itself built its industry by stealing from others, massively. Without that, the US today would be just another Mexico.
Isn't that precisely the behavior of the US at the start of the industrial age? What goes around comes around.
Yes, like this one... oh sorry, it pointed at the wrong direction.
LOL, they were caught red -handed. Here's some background from last summer for those obviously not following the story.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/technology/china-micron-chips-theft.html
Ah yes, demonstrating once again that the left/progressives are "the religion of peace". Troll.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
South China Morning Post is a Hong Kong newspaper; maybe you are talking about CNN. :-)
Fair, you don't have to believe them; maybe they were making FAKE news. :-)
But you should read through all the documents in the Snowden leak to see for yourself if the source data are there.
When it opened tech production line in Communist China in the 1980's-1990's?
That it was all going to be union free low cost Communist labor for decades making low tax computer parts?
The USA could have kept its tech production lines secret in low tax Ireland, secure in low tax parts of the USA, even opened up in Northern Ireland with a huge UK tax "considerations" just for creating local jobs.
The US gov allowed its tech brands to set up in China and now finds the Communist took the best US tech?
Don't build your tech factories in Communist nations and your tech will stay secure.
Lots of normal nations wanted US tech jobs and would have totally respected and supported all USA security just to get their work force new US tech production line factory work.
What did generations of US govs allow? Allow US brands to give away US secrets to Communist China with every new generation of tech investment.
Was the US brands ingratiation with a Communist party worth it now all the US secrets are lost?
Was a few MI6 and CIA "business" spy fronts deep in China worth the total loss of generations of US tech secrets to China?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
This.. take a read : https://www.bloomberg.com/opin...
Actually, responding to a horribly partisan comment doesn't mean you're the other flavor of partisan...and yes, I know, it's dumb to feed the trolls.
I also know criticism of one's own side is so rare as to make people think you're on the other one. But what if you hate sides generally?
I'm actually anti-partisan, more anti to the harder core ones, which I feel is consistent. It's dumb to reduce every thought to two states - we're not binary. we're human - and to reduce whole collections of thoughts to be on one artificial side or the other. I can believe in being hard on crime, and legalizing drugs at the same time. I can believe in woman's right to choose in almost all cases, and not be a left wing-nut - even be Christian. I can be that and really not care at all what you do with your junk (or how you name how you identify sexually) - as long as you're not forcing it on me. I can believe in climate change, but also believe in fiscal responsibility. No one represents me - which IS the problem - and whether you see me leaning one way or the other depends on the topic, I suppose. I suspect that lack or representation is most people's problem..the vain hope that one or the other partisan side is a little better has to be a disappointment in the end. At least I don't shoot people in the face, or even threaten to - or use bike locks to commit battery. Obviously a glance in the mirror really bent some troll outa shape. I feel sorry for them, that bitterness at what they look like there must really burn. Me, I can smile. I don't even have to feel like shooting someone in the face is an answer to anything.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
Obviously this place isn't completely free of a sense of humor. Does that work for you?
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
Oh, I see, you think Fox isn't partisan. Got it. Excuse me while I clean off my keyboard.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
Yep, it's basically the definition of loser at least in my book. If it's always someone else's fault, you're a loser.
That sums up all of the aggrieved college majors and many a liberal.
If you plan on your information being compromised in the first place then you don't have to bother with security. If your business depends on hiding information, and your business should not receive protection by society. It is not in the interests of the people to allow information hoarding by large business
Obviously what I think is very relevant to you or you would not have bothered to answer. A nice failure on your part that provides a good estimator for your level of rationality.
Also, what makes you think China is spying because it needs to? I think it spies on US businesses because it is _easy_. Incidentally, the US does a lot of economic espionage as well and has been doing so for a long, long time, even if the NSA does not admit it openly. Does the US do that spying because it needs to?
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Also most conservatives. Just look at the current moron-in-chief: Nothing is ever his fault.
People that recognize their mistakes and learn from them generally do not go into or care much about politics. Politics is a dirty and corrupted field because it does not care about facts, ethics and rationality, and at the same time lies egregiously about that. Unless the human race manages to overcome politics (and with that greed for power), it is what will kill it. I am not hopeful.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Seriously, if a company is high-tech, or it is known that CHina is interested in you, quit hiring ppl that will steal from you. You have the RIGHT to protect your IP.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I often agree with you gweihr, so I bothered to respond.
Um, he's just one guy, and anything but a dictionary conservative. Not "most conservatives". Most of whom don't like being lumped in with neocons (both parties' neocons are the war and bribe party), the wing-nut radicals (which both parties have), or the "in name only" sorts who say whatever to get elected and then do whatever their corporate sponsors tell them or whatever they think will bring home the pork or bring in the votes by whatever other method. No one seems to retire from Congress poor - even people in super poor districts live in super mansions "somehow". I can point to plenty of examples, I happen to know more from D but I suspect that's just a filter due to how I got my info. My experience of corruption is that it's very bipartisan indeed, and when the parties agree on something, you should run.
Which is why they never get around to turning over that rock - they're all under it themselves.
Guess I'm pushing my luck trying to use the dictionary definition of the word conservative here - just like the word "hacker" it's been utterly corrupted (hacker used to mean good with computers, now it means black hat, for example). Liberal, same deal...utterly not liberal nowdays. I'm more liberal than most self-identified liberals these days, but am a conservative! I don't tell people what to think, I do try to teach them HOW.
FWIW, the huge majority of the righties I know (and this is a hard-right county in SWVA) - simply were disgusted with DC and wanted it to burn down, which is why they voted for Trump. Not because they like him - and they like him less now, but with what the other guys have done, are going to vote for him again...because they've gotten worse quicker yet. Except for that Pai guy, who none of us can figure why he's not been fired yet - for political bonus points. The telecom lobby must be spending rich these days, and like I said, corruption is fully bipartisan. Sure, the D's and the R's slightly favor different money sources...but there's a crap ton of overlap there and little difference when it comes to big biz vs mom and pop. $Big has won 100% of what it wants since I started watching close, in around '64. No matter who held the reins...or reigned, depending on how you like to say that.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
I should add that from an European perspective, both Republicans and Democrats are conservatives...
The problem is, however, not being conservative, the problem is not taking responsibility for your actions and mistakes. Decent people have gotten really rare. The few remaining ones you find all over the place.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Couldn't agree more. During my time on earth, it's gone from "don't do wrong, because it's wrong" to "don't do wrong, you might get caught". Give up the inner belief in right and wrong...you're toast.
Heck, in a better world, for awhile, it was "do right, increase happiness - what goes around comes around".
And yeah, accountability...largely missing. On this side of the pond, one side more loudly blames others for "everything", but almost no one is actually taking responsibility. And that's kinda the key. Those two things are what the decline are really based on.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!