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Iran Allegedly Hit By Computer Virus More Violent Than Stuxnet (timesofisrael.com)

TTL0 shares a report from The Times of Israel: Iranian infrastructure and strategic networks have come under attack in the last few days by a computer virus similar to Stuxnet but "more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated," and Israeli officials are refusing to discuss what role, if any, they may have had in the operation, an Israeli TV report said Wednesday. "Remember Stuxnet, the virus that penetrated the computers of the Iranian nuclear industry?" the report on Israel's Hadashot news asked. Iran "has admitted in the past few days that it is again facing a similar attack, from a more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated virus than before, that has hit infrastructure and strategic networks." The Iranians, the TV report went on, are "not admitting, of course, how much damage has been caused." On Sunday, Gholamreza Jalali, the head of Iran's civil defense agency, said Tehran had neutralized a new version of Stuxnet, Reuters reported. Stuxnet penetrated Iran's nuclear program, "taking control and sabotaging parts of its enrichment processes by speeding up its centrifuges," the report notes. We'll update this story when more details become available.

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  1. Re: The bit is mightier than then sword by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Funny

    This virus is so powerful it even hacked Slashdot to fuck up your post title.

  2. advanced by Andy+Smith · · Score: 4, Funny

    more advanced AND more sophisticated?

    DAMN...

    1. Re:advanced by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Funny

      It wrecks your centrifuges even faster, and smokes a cigarette in a dinner jacket while doing it.

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  3. That's what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    For looking at Burka pr0n on work machines.

    1. Re:That's what you get by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Funny

      For looking at Burka pr0n on work machines.

      OOOh...look!! An ankle.....[heavy breathing]

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  4. Those in glass houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Our entire economy is integrated with computers now. Throwing open the doors on destructive attackâ(TM)s to cripple a govt/economy is just stupid, we are way more vulnerable to this shit and no we do not have adequate protections in place.

    1. Re: Those in glass houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There will never be adequate protections in place because the surface area is so great, and software is NEVER EVER bug free. The nature of software bugs is that they lay hidden in wait. Developers get shuffled around or leave, others interface with their systems or cobble in new features with imperfect knowledge. Bugs are born. Not to mention the chance , which has been known to happen, where someone is paid to embed a bug. Devs could even embed an obscure bug in hopes of collecting a 6 figure bug bounty in the future as a form of retirement investment. Our reliance and trust on computers is our Achilles heel.

  5. Re:Overly Dramatic Headline by butzwonker · · Score: 2

    We're talking about command&control systems of chemical plants, nuclear power plants, hospitals, cars, trains, elevators, etc., not your average home computer. In this case, they've probably destroyed some costly centrifuges.

  6. What now? by AndyKron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How is this not an act of war? Then again, Israel is constantly engaged in acts of war against Iran.

    1. Re:What now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is this not an act of war? Then again, Israel is constantly engaged in acts of war against Iran.

      Funny how it's the leaders of Iran who have literally vowed to conduct genocide and "wipe Israel off the map".

      And then Iran created a proxy army (Hezbollah) that actually is trying to do just that.

      Kinda strange how you missed that.

      But hey, you're not an anti-Semite. You just blindly support a medieval bunch of homophobic misogynists in their attempt to kill Jews because the fucking Koran says so.

    2. Re:What now? by fred911 · · Score: 2

      How is this not an act of war? Then again, Israel is constantly engaged in acts of war against Iran.

      Obviously. Their best defense is a proactive offense. Someone has to be responsible for common sense.

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    3. Re:What now? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

      How is this not an act of war?

      It is an act of war, just as killing people in other countries is war. But: we just don't talk much about it if it is done by countries that we like, or do a lot of business with; or even if done by our own country.

    4. Re:What now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you also claiming that Hezbollah is a mistranslation? Or are you still looking for a way to internally rationalize supporting terrorists while claiming not to?

    5. Re:What now? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Informative

      Israel gets away with it because they have the most powerful military nation in the world standing behind them. If it wasn't for Western guilt over the atrocities that happened in WWII, Israel would be viewed as a dangerous pariah state by the West, but it's politically "insensitive" to think of them as the bully-state they've become. The attempted genocide guilt does belong to all the West- anti Semitism was rife across most Western nations in the 30's, if it wasn't Germany, it could easily have happened in another country.

      As it is, they get away with violating the sovereignty of countries all over the world carrying out illegal raids and missions knowing their big brother the US has got their back. One would think- rather than continue out the "bully-thy-neighbor" approach they would be better off trying to build friendships. If the US ever stops supporting Israel, one day the guilt of WWII will no longer be so fresh, or perhaps a President who is sympathetic to the Palestinian apartheid will be elected. Would an isolated Israel last long after all the hate, destruction and violation they have performed on their neighbours?

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    6. Re:What now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hezzabola launches rockets at schools for 5 year olds in Israel (supplied by Iran), not a peep from you.
      Israel uses a computer virus to prevent WMDs from being created and used on them, they are the most evil people ever according to you.

      THIS is what anti-Semitism looks like folks.

      story 1
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      I went looking for the story I remember a couple years ago, all I could find was it happening TWICE this year, but as long as Jews are targeted you seem to be cool with it.

  7. We need more and more features by aberglas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The more features software has the better. Eventually it will become so complicated that even the virus writers will not be able to understand it.

    But writing Stuxnet was an appalling thing to do because it legitimized state sponsored computer attacks as being legitimate and non-military. The west cannot take high moral ground about them having launched Stuxnet against Iran. And Stuxnet only slowed them down by a few months anyway, despite being extremely clever. It also escaped, and was discovered in Russia, by memory.

    So the only thing to do is spend lots more money on cyber warfare. So I guess the Stuxnet team was extremely successful in achieving that, its real goal.

  8. Re:Overly Dramatic Headline by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A computer virus may stop your computer from working but its not "violent" - its not going to walk up and punch you.

    With the "internet of things" now, who knows?

    It may try to microwave you or slam your garage door on you, anyway ...

  9. Re:Giving the enemy a bigger sword by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's anything like Stuxnet in terms of how it operates then the payload will be extremely specific to the environment it was targeting - e.g. require a specific control app, managing, a given make/model of PLC, connected to a given type of mechanical/electrical plant, and so on. What it might potentially do is provide victims with access to one or more zero-day vulnerabilities for those tools/products they may not have been previously aware of if they can successfully reverse engineer them, but they'd still need to repurpose those to their own ends, find suitable targets, and design their own payloads. The clock on that is also ticking, because copies of the code will get out into the security community at large, and once that happens CVE numbers will eventually get assigned and patches produced. Stuxnet might still be revealling hidden depths, but it's highly unlikely that most of the delivery mechanisms it employed would still be effective in delivering payloads anywhere except for locations that have almost no concept of security and the importance of software/firmware updates.

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  10. Re:Now we see the violence inherent in the system! by radja · · Score: 4, Informative

    Stuxnet managed to do almost the same, but to ultracentrifuges used to enrich uranium.

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  11. Stuxnet was targetted against Germany by ghoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It specifically targetted Siemens controllers the Iranians had bought. It ensured that for the future the Iranians would either buy American controllers on the black market or use non-western controllers which there was a lesser chance of the US/Israel having source code to.
    The Germans were pissed about Stuxnet as it killed their market for controllers around the world.

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    1. Re:Stuxnet was targetted against Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wouldn't ever want to be seen as defending Siemens, but for the sake of accuracy I would say their security overall is about average for the industry. The problem is that the industry average is incredibly low.

  12. And now we know why Kerry was in Iran by ghoul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He was handing out infected USB drives.

    No real reason for him to be there given he has no official post in the US govt anymore so maybe hes supplementing his retirement with a little freelance cyberterrorism

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  13. Re:But who? Who would purposefully do that? Any wh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Canada. Canada is the only country that could do this AND get away with it. Who'd think Canada? That's laughable. But it's so ridiculous that it was Canada that it HAS to be Canada.

  14. Re:Overly Dramatic Headline by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A computer virus may stop your computer from working but its not "violent" - its not going to walk up and punch you.

    No, but if a foreign country did it to us and it caused enough of a crippling to one of our infrastructure projects or caused enough economic damage you could bet our politicians would complain about it being "an act of war". Even with some of the more minor hackings done by China, and Russia a few politicians have made some such comments. If something as big as Stuxnet hit us, I think the majority would want some form of retaliation.

    However, if Iran retaliates against Israel or the US (or whoever else is to blame) for this, you can bet they will be bombed and blamed as the aggressors.

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  15. Re:Overly Dramatic Headline by c · · Score: 2

    Stuxnet messed with industrial process controls, and supposedly caused things like centrifuges to spin at self-destructive speeds. Depending on how this new one actually works and what it affects, "violent" might not be as inaccurate as you think.

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  16. Re: But who? Who would purposefully do that? Any w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Whataboutism. And perhaps you are aware of this little thing we call 9/11? And all the anti-American bobbing going back long before as well as after. The OP has a point. You do not.

  17. Re:Hadashot? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hadash is the Hebrew word for "new". Hadashot literally translates to "news".

  18. Iran is not the enemy by bkmoore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm writing this from the perspective of an American, and I am no fan of Iran. Iran has a terrible religious fundamentalist regime that murders people and exports terror throughout the Middle East, to include attacking Israel. But I am sick and tired of being told by our pols that Iran is our mortal enemy, and represents a grave national security threat that needs to be attacked and destroyed. Especially when those same pols supports a different middle eastern country that has a terrible religious fundamentalist regime that murders people and exports terror throughout the Middle East and occasionally to Lower Manhattan.

    It's about nuclear weapons!!! But we support another Moslem nation that also has nuclear weapons, has live-tested them, gone to war with their neighbor multiple times, supported our enemies in Afghanistan, and is coincidentally where we found Osama Bin Laden's hiding place. So Iran can't have nuclear weapons, but the other one can? At least we know who's in charge in Iran. I'm not too sure who's really in charge in that other nuclear-armed Moslem country, it could be the military on Monday and Thursday, the civilians on Tuesday and Wednesday, and the clerics on Friday. They all take the weekend off.

    Maybe it's human rights??? But our "allies" just dismembered a journalist and have been waging a criminal bombing campaign in Yemen. No big deal, according to our President, who reminded us that Journalist was a moslem immigrant (green card holder), and then proudly exclaimed how much money our "friends" were spending on weapons, basically putting a price on the head of that journalist, anyone with a green card (including my wife), and all Yemenis. The President never struck me as especially intelligent, but he knew the price of those weapons down to the last nickel, so maybe he's a "stable genius" after all, especially when it comes to people giving him money.

    What's the difference? One chants "death to Israel" so much that it has become cliche and supports Hezbollah, lobbing mortars into Israel and occasionally funds a suicide bomber. The other one exports Wahhabism, brainwashing one person at a time, including Mohamad Atta and a few hijackers who came to America and took up flying. The cynic in me believes the difference is one country is good for business, the other is not. I hope some day people will realize Iran is not our enemy and never will be our friend. Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan are not our "friends" or our "allies", but shouldn't me made into enemies. We need to get realistic about the Middle East and above all else be consistent. Either we're for human rights or against them. But we can no longer have it both ways.

  19. Re:Now we see the violence inherent in the system! by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back in the 80s. IBM brought out a new harddrive they claimed was bulletproof.

    Somebody figured the platter resonance frequency and 'tacoma narrows bridged' it with head motion during a demo.

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