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Russia Blames a Bad Sensor For Its Failed Soyuz Rocket Launch (wired.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Wired: On Thursday, Russian officials held a press conference to reveal that they have determined what caused last month's Soyuz mid-flight failure. The culprit: a damaged sensor on one of the rocket's four boosters responsible for stage separation. With the investigation complete, the officials announced that they will move up the date of the next crew launch to the International Space Station. Russian space agency officials confirmed that the faulty sensor, designed to signal stage separation, had caused one of the boosters to improperly separate. This led the first and second stages of the rocket to collide, which then triggered the vehicle's emergency abort system.

Video of the incident, released today by the space agency, shows the accident from the rocket's point of view. In it, the booster in question strikes the core of the rocket, causing a significant jolt, which triggered the abort. According to officials, the afflicted sensor rod was bent slightly during the assembly of the rocket. To check for any handling errors that might have also affected other rockets, Russian officials said that all assembled Soyuz rockets -- and their attached booster pack -- will be taken apart and put together anew.

57 comments

  1. Scott Manley has a good video analysis by Martin+S. · · Score: 4, Informative

    Scott Manley has a good video analysis.

    The problem was with a bent pin seemingly 'forced' in during assembly rather than the sensor itself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    1. Re:Scott Manley has a good video analysis by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      SpaceX doesn't have these problems because they don't use pins.

    2. Re:Scott Manley has a good video analysis by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Props for the abort system which apparently did its job flawlessly, but... it's a bit worrying that one bent pin on a sensor can do in the entire system.

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    3. Re:Scott Manley has a good video analysis by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Props for the abort system which apparently did its job flawlessly, but... it's a bit worrying that one bent pin on a sensor can do in the entire system.

      Your sig is pretty relevant, Jared. And yes, rocketry sits at the edge of stresses where one simple wrong thing can ruin your whole day, and quickly.

      Kudos to the Russians for finding and making certain the other candles are assembled properly, as well as that real time confirmation that the abort system functions well.

      I too enjoy Manley's Youtube channel

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    4. Re:Scott Manley has a good video analysis by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah they use non binary gender connectors.

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    5. Re:Scott Manley has a good video analysis by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Bend a pin on a CPU and watch what happens.

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    6. Re:Scott Manley has a good video analysis by hey! · · Score: 1

      One of the things that struck me about this rocket is how its very recognizably the same rocket family that launched Sputnik, only refined.

      That's a good thing. Americans' attitude is that anything old is automatically junk. We throw it away and look for something completely new and different. The Russians keep it and tweak it to make it a little better, and after years and years of doing that the old stuff gets very good indeed. That's why the Russians never lost the ability to put men in space, where the American space program fell between two chairs: unable to remake the old stuff and unable to get the new stuff to work.

      Clean sheet, that's our way. Sometimes it works, and sometimes you get the Space Shuttle, F35, or Littoral Combat Ship.

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    7. Re:Scott Manley has a good video analysis by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Considering that this sensor did *not* fail for like seven or eight thousand times before, you wouldn't think this would be a problem.

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    8. Re:Scott Manley has a good video analysis by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Props for the abort system which apparently did its job flawlessly

      That can't be stressed enough, it's impressive that the rocket core took a hit from a booster with no loss of life.

      it's a bit worrying that one bent pin on a sensor can do in the entire system.

      Or a piece of falling foam can doom an orbiter. Yeah, it's worrying.

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  2. Bad sensor, bad! by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    No soup for you.

  3. I'm surprised Russia didn't blame BeauHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all, in Soviet Russia, Soviet Russia blames BeauHD.

    RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!!

  4. Just smack it with a wrench by DirkDaring · · Score: 4, Funny

    American components, Russian components - all made in Taiwan!

    1. Re:Just smack it with a wrench by froggyjojodaddy · · Score: 2

      Armageddon reference?

    2. Re:Just smack it with a wrench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, nothing gets by you I bet!

    3. Re:Just smack it with a wrench by ghoul · · Score: 1

      Somebody did, hence the broken sensor. Hollywood Movies - Weapons of mass disinformation and yet banned by no treaty

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    4. Re:Just smack it with a wrench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I get the reference. Still, Taiwan is actually generally pretty damn high quality stuff for the price. China on the other hand...

  5. A little old school, but... by SuperGus · · Score: 2

    In Soviet Russia, sensors damage YOU!

  6. Margin for error = small by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Props for the abort system which apparently did its job flawlessly, but... it's a bit worrying that one bent pin on a sensor can do in the entire system.

    You know there is a reason that "rocket science" is the standard analogy phrase used for a difficult endeavor. Rockets are chock full of seemingly mundane things that can result in disaster if they don't perform perfectly in extremely high stress conditions. Aside from maybe military combat equipment I can't think of any devices we make which experience tougher conditions with less safety margin.

    1. Re:Margin for error = small by bobby · · Score: 1

      Props for the abort system which apparently did its job flawlessly, but... it's a bit worrying that one bent pin on a sensor can do in the entire system.

      You know there is a reason that "rocket science" is the standard analogy phrase used for a difficult endeavor. Rockets are chock full of seemingly mundane things that can result in disaster if they don't perform perfectly in extremely high stress conditions. Aside from maybe military combat equipment I can't think of any devices we make which experience tougher conditions with less safety margin.

      Hopefully medical equipment, especially life-support and implants, are made to very high standards.

    2. Re:Margin for error = small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully medical equipment, especially life-support and implants, are made to very high standards.

      Generally they are, except most medical devices turn to complete shit where there is any form of networking, because it's just slapped on as an afterthought -- often with zero security in it and attached to terribly insecure network infrastructures shared with PCs loaded with crap that should't be there.

    3. Re:Margin for error = small by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      >Aside from maybe military combat equipment

      Military combat equipment doesn't need a safety margin. It's supposed to be unsafe.

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    4. Re:Margin for error = small by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Military combat equipment doesn't need a safety margin. It's supposed to be unsafe.

      It's supposed to be unsafe for the enemy, yeah. Not for the user.

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    5. Re:Margin for error = small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can name two:
      Vibrating Dildos
      Electronic Masturbators

    6. Re:Margin for error = small by bobby · · Score: 1

      Yes, no question, I agree completely. I was just thinking about the physical device construction. Fortunately (hopefully) the software can be fixed if someone cares to. Might aught to be some laws, but it would be very tricky to set standards, and they'd have to be changed frequently as security / encryption is being enhanced. I hope I never need to rely on anything like that, well, unless I have some say and review of the software, network settings, etc.

    7. Re:Margin for error = small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read about Therac-25.

  7. Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A Beowulf cluster of damaged sensors.

    1. Re:Imagine by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

      But can it run Linux?

    2. Re:Imagine by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I feel a bit nostalgic, it's almost like the old /. was back.

      Ok, only the bad memes of the old /., but ... hey, I take what I can get.

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    3. Re:Imagine by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      All your nostalgia are belong to us.

    4. Re:Imagine by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Not just that, it blends!

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    5. Re:Imagine by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      *sniff*

      Thank you.

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  8. It was that or the Russians. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    It was that or the Russians and they're hardly going to blame themselves, are they?

    I suppose they could blame Mexicans but most of them don't even know where Mexico is. On second thoughts, that doesn't seem to prevent Americans doing it.

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    1. Re:It was that or the Russians. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I suppose they could blame Mexicans but most of them don't even know where Mexico is. On second thoughts, that doesn't seem to prevent Americans doing it.

      Most Americans know where Mexico is, because that's where cousin Ed goes to get his oxycontin.

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    2. Re:It was that or the Russians. by Opportunist · · Score: 1
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  9. Re:Why you shouldn't have an iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but think of all the Apple employees retirements you are helping.

  10. Drill? by andyring · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Was it the same drill guy who was up there trying to turn the ISS into swiss cheese?

    1. Re:Drill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only place Ivan Drillotski has ever been "up" to is his gills in vodka. But yes, after his demotion from the drill team, he was assigned to the sensor hammering group. Only place to go from here is sickle polishing.

    2. Re:Drill? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      No, the same guy who pounded in the guidance sensors upside down in the 2013 Proton-M launch failure.

  11. russian garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is bound to fail

    1. Re:russian garbage by bobbied · · Score: 1

      is bound to fail

      ANYTHING used often enough and long enough WILL fail. Neither Russia or the USA is immune from statistics.

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  12. The Russians don't seem to be learning... by Ecuador · · Score: 2

    Remember when an assembly worker had hammered-in the Proton-M sensors upside down? And instead of looking at their QA process they announced something in the lines of "don't worry, we found the worker and fired him"? I remember it was discussed here how this mentality would lead to more control issues, and it does appear they have learned nothing.

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    1. Re: The Russians don't seem to be learning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ivan, pin not fit. I push and push, is no good, use small hammer still no good."

      "Alexei, you are idiot. You cannot use hammer like that to assemble intricate mechanism which is rocket. Is reason I am supervisor, is there not? Hold bottle while I fetch big hammer."

    2. Re:The Russians don't seem to be learning... by nyet · · Score: 1

      Exactly this

    3. Re: The Russians don't seem to be learning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's hilarious. 3 redundant sensors and the dumbass installs them all upside down. And nobody notices.

    4. Re: The Russians don't seem to be learning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Murphy's law is this, almost exactly. I can't find the details right now, but as I recall it was a US rocket sled human deceleration experiment, where a technician had wired all the sensors backwards, meaning no useful data was recorded from the test.

  13. 3 sensors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Solution: 3 sensors (because if you have 2 clocks giving you different times, which one is correct?).

    1. Re:3 sensors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you can go with "2 different signals = failure", also. But, you know, being significantly off the surface of the Earth, you might as well assume sensor failure is a possibility and use 3 of them (taking a majority vote, with large red all-caps warnings when one of them says otherwise).

  14. Re:Medical devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Medical devices don't have to deal with the acceleration and vibration of a space launch. They also don't have a $10000/lb fuel bill to worry about.

  15. Hermaphroditic connectors by stooo · · Score: 1

    Hermaphroditic connectors have advantages also.
    Sometimes connectors have ambiguous gender.

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  16. What about NASA's high quality standards? by aeeneas · · Score: 1

    While NASA's high quality standards towards Boeing and SpaceX have been preventing American spacecraft from entering the manned spaceflight market for years, the agency does not seem to exercise the same high standards towards Russians.

    As a result US astronauts are still forced to fly on older less than perfectly safe Russian spacecraft instead of newer and better (but not good enough for NASA) US spacecraft.

  17. High physical stress environments by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Hopefully medical equipment, especially life-support and implants, are made to very high standards.

    Being made to high standards doesn't mean the product has to operate in a high physical stress environment. My company makes medical equipment and none of it is subjected to the sorts of forces and stresses you find in a rocket launch nor does it have the weight vs performance limitations. Furthermore most medical equipment doesn't have to deal with the tyranny of the rocket equation and the engineering limitations it imposes. Everything in a rocket has to be made as light as possible which causes some really tough engineering challenges - particularly because it necessarily means sacrificing safety margin and/or adding substantial cost in a lot of cases.

    That's not a knock on medical equipment or the quality of it. Just observing that it doesn't have to function on the pointy end of a controlled explosion with minimal safety margin.

  18. Safety margin in military equipment by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Military combat equipment doesn't need a safety margin. It's supposed to be unsafe.

    It does if you want it actually do its job. I assure you that you want as much safety margin in your tank armor as possible. You want your rifle to still be able to shoot straight if it gets some dirt in it. You want your A10 to still be able to fly home after getting hit with some anti-aircraft fire. You want your engine to still operate in a dusty and super hot desert because you'll die if it fails on you. You want your submarine to be able to dive deeper than you hope to need it to dive. Safety margin in military hardware is vital. The problem is that unlike most other products, someone else is going to be actively trying to destroy your hardware and kill the operator in the process in the most aggressive manner imaginable which makes it pretty much the highest stress environment possible. The armor on the side of a battleship isn't half a meter thick because they think it looks stylish.

    The stress for rockets comes from the fact that they are being asked to be reliable under tremendous force, heat, and pressure while being built as light as possible. That's a tough environment but nothing compares to war for being hard on equipment and people.