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Australian Intelligence Knows Huawei Was Used in Espionage, Report Says (axios.com)

According to a report in The Australian, Australia received intelligence reports that Huawei personnel provided Chinese spies passwords to hack a "foreign network." From a report: Though there are many broad allegations that telecommunications equipment providers Huawei and ZTE sabotage products so that spies can conduct espionage, the public is largely in the dark about how and if the nation has ever used that capacity. The Australian report claims: "Chinese espionage services used telecommunications giant Huawei's staff to get access codes to infiltrate a foreign network." The attack took place within the last two years.

42 comments

  1. If Chinese spies are doing their job by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of Chinese spies are even halfway doing their job, they'll be taking advantage of the fact that so many countries use so much gear made in China. They should be fired and may be executed if they aren't doing this.

    1. Re:If Chinese spies are doing their job by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      Of Chinese spies are even halfway doing their job, they'll be taking advantage of the fact that so many countries use so much gear made in China.

      Like what... server motherboards? ;)

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  2. who cares. cisco provides this service to anyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    at least huawei only did it for the chinese. cisco provides that service to anyone with hardcoded backdoors and whatnot..

  3. Re:Where's the Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The truth is that the American media has been well-infiltrated by Chinese spies and is manipulating us to hate democracy and welcome communism,

    To quote your own line, "where's the proof?!?"

    There isn't any. For the most part, I'd say that the media is somewhat anti-Chinese, although actually, on the list of media obsessions, China ranks somewhat under Kayne West or whatever celebrity is currently divorcing or having a baby.

  4. Never could happen to me by houghi · · Score: 3, Funny

    U use routing by Cisco, so this could never happen to me. Sales person told me so.

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    1. Re:Never could happen to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. The herd of egotistical giraffes in your server room aren't working for the chinese.

  5. Well ... by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If one stops to think about the idea, it makes sense for a plutocracy that believes in a surveillance state to build spyware into the products its communications industry exports. If I were a ranking member of the Chinese Communist Party, I would definitely be advocating for this to further my agenda because so many western countries are scrambling for telecommunications hardware being made by the two biggest Chinese networking gear manufacturers Huawei and ZTE. It's simple really: make it monetarily attractive to go with something other than Cisco while secretly incorporating spyware and backdoors into routing and switching products while delaying, obstructing, and obfuscating. Unlike a lot of theories and accusations, this one isn't of the tin foil variety. The Chinese Communist Party is actually being commendably (sic) creative about the entire affair. They know that in basic capitalist economies, people look for the least expensive option to maximize the most amount of profit. So they may subsidize ZTE and Huawei allowing the two behemoths to sell their networking gear at (maybe?) less than cost if they include backdoors. Western government and industry gobbles this cheaper alternative up and the Chinese plutocracy can then just siphon off government, trade, and industry secrets.

    1. Re:Well ... by farble1670 · · Score: 2

      If one stops to think about the idea, it makes sense for a plutocracy that believes in a surveillance state to build spyware into the products its communications industry exports.

      Not really. All good and well unless someone figures it out. Then *everyone* stops buying your products. You are out the surveillance and the profits.

      They know that in basic capitalist economies, people look for the least expensive option to maximize the most amount of profit.

      Except this: https://www.theverge.com/2018/...

      Huawei and ZTE technology will largely be banned from use by the US government and government contractors. The ban was signed into placed by President Trump today as a component of the much larger Defense Authorization Act.

    2. Re:Well ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why does Cisco do it? Is the USA a plutocracy also?

  6. Re:Where's the Proof? by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

    ... to hate democracy and welcome communism ... If you don't believe it, you're a moron.

    Like these ones: https://www.dailykos.com/stori...

  7. Re:Where's the Proof? by mcvos · · Score: 1

    If Donald Trump were to make this kind of accusation, it would be dismissed out of hand

    I think they'd check the facts first. And then dismiss it, because when Donald Trump says something like this, it's usually a lie. Because that's what he does. It's the safe assumption.

    The truth is that the American media has been well-infiltrated by Chinese spies and is manipulating us to hate democracy

    I think it's more Russia, but China also seems to be benefiting from the way right-wing media (not to mention right-wing politicians, obviously) are undermining democracy. Trump seems eager to hand power to Russia and China, and shake hands with North Korea.

  8. Re:The Absurdity Of Claiming To Be An Atheist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    It appears that your community college education did you a disservice.

  9. Re:And how would Australia possibly know? by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Re:And how would Australia possibly know?

    By the backdoors it has in Chinese services perhaps?

  10. Re: And how would Australia possibly know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Canada told them!

  11. Re:Where's the Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If Donald Trump were to make this kind of accusation, it would be dismissed out of hand [...]

    Trump is such a low hangin' fruit, though. If Donald Trump opens his mouth we can be pretty certain by now that what he's going to say is some bullshit he's just made up in order to satisfy his pathologically narcissist ego and might later deny 100% despite direct evidence to the contrary, so it's a fairly reliable heuristic. To most people on earth some Australian Intelligence agency will be at least slightly more credible than Donald Trump.

  12. Aussie == US by ClarkMills · · Score: 2

    I'm a kiwi so may just be biased; it's tradition to sling mud over the ditch...

    But we see Aussie in the US' back pocket... sort of a 51st state...

    1. Re:Aussie == US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's okay, we see you as freeloaders. Haven't done much for regional security since 1966, though your SAS guys, though under-funded, under-manned and embarrassingly poorly equipped, kicked ass in the Helmland for the few weeks your parliament decided to live up to the ANZUS pact.

    2. Re:Aussie == US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a kiwi so may just be biased; it's tradition to sling mud over the ditch...

      But we see Aussie in the US' back pocket... sort of a 51st state...

      Yeah, you can't trust those 5 Eyes guys.

    3. Re:Aussie == US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why did the US attack Afghanistan? Did they throw a dart on the map, or did they spin a globe?

    4. Re:Aussie == US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the land of Oz is the 51st state of the USA, then NZ is a suburb of the D.C.
      And not the most desirable suburb of the D.C. at that.

  13. Re: Where's the Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatâ(TM)s the weather like today in the part of China youâ(TM)re in?

  14. Title does not make sense. by kamapuaa · · Score: 0

    "Australian Intelligence"? Isn't that an oxymoron?

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  15. Re:Where's the Proof? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    I'm sure you'd get similar results from Democrats

  16. All you chips are belong to us by surfcow · · Score: 1

    US: WE GOT THE BEST TOYS!

    China: We built the chips for your toys.

    US: But ... WE GOT THE BEST TOYS!

    1. Re:All you chips are belong to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The best chips are still designed and made in the USA.

      Anybody looking to cut corners with chinese garbage deserves what they get.

  17. Re:who cares. cisco provides this service to anyon by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    who cares

    What time is over there in Beijing anyway? You've had a hard day of trolling the west. Get some sleep.

  18. Leaving this here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for future readers that were sure they had no power, no obligation or no responsibility to defend their way of life. Some day maybe you'll come here to these archives and peruse through some of these posts and realise you had the power to make a difference. You can still protect your country, your people and your constitutional rights, you can still make a difference. Don't lower your head in regret. Keep fighting. You have a mind. Never forget that. Don't let yourself be immortalised as a meme of your own doing.

  19. Suprised? Why? Remember Nortel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The state-company literally was formed from the IP theft of Nortel Networks. Bing it, Google it... fascinatingly sad why and how they systematically stole their IP for new products then released their 'own' undercutting Nortel until they were gone.

    This company needs to be squashed out of existence.

  20. Re:Where's the Proof? by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

    I'm sure you'd get similar results from Democrats

    Still waiting (do not accept photoshopped ones) ...