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Australian Intelligence Knows Huawei Was Used in Espionage, Report Says (axios.com)

According to a report in The Australian, Australia received intelligence reports that Huawei personnel provided Chinese spies passwords to hack a "foreign network." From a report: Though there are many broad allegations that telecommunications equipment providers Huawei and ZTE sabotage products so that spies can conduct espionage, the public is largely in the dark about how and if the nation has ever used that capacity. The Australian report claims: "Chinese espionage services used telecommunications giant Huawei's staff to get access codes to infiltrate a foreign network." The attack took place within the last two years.

42 comments

  1. Where's the Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    If Donald Trump were to make this kind of accusation, it would be dismissed out of hand and the media would be screaming, "where's the proof?!?" like they always do to distract you from what's really going on.

    The truth is that the American media has been well-infiltrated by Chinese spies and is manipulating us to hate democracy and welcome communism, so that when they show up on the shores of California, we'll welcome their soldiers with open arms and beg for them to liberate us from our capitalist oppressors. If you don't believe it, you're a moron.

    1. Re:Where's the Proof? by Viol8 · · Score: -1, Troll

      "The truth is that the American media has been well-infiltrated by Chinese spies"

      I thought it was the russians, or perhaps the Illuminates. Or maybe was that last weeks conspiracy theory? I lose track of them all.

      " If you don't believe it, you're a moron."

      There's a surplus "n't" in that sentence.

    2. Re:Where's the Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      The truth is that the American media has been well-infiltrated by Chinese spies and is manipulating us to hate democracy and welcome communism...

      The PC Nazis infiltrating our "edumucashun" system is a hell of a way to go about doing this. And if you think society at large is taking those fucking idiots seriously, take a look at the college attendance rates at the worst of our campuses that have been overrun by this bullshit.

    3. Re:Where's the Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      "The truth is that the American media has been well-infiltrated by Chinese spies"

      I thought it was the russians, or perhaps the Illuminates. Or maybe was that last weeks conspiracy theory? I lose track of them all.

      " If you don't believe it, you're a moron."

      There's a surplus "n't" in that sentence.

      Meh.

      The morons are the media.

      The meta-morons are the ones who believe the media.

    4. Re:Where's the Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The truth is that the American media has been well-infiltrated by Chinese spies and is manipulating us to hate democracy and welcome communism,

      To quote your own line, "where's the proof?!?"

      There isn't any. For the most part, I'd say that the media is somewhat anti-Chinese, although actually, on the list of media obsessions, China ranks somewhat under Kayne West or whatever celebrity is currently divorcing or having a baby.

    5. Re:Where's the Proof? by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

      ... to hate democracy and welcome communism ... If you don't believe it, you're a moron.

      Like these ones: https://www.dailykos.com/stori...

    6. Re:Where's the Proof? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      If Donald Trump were to make this kind of accusation, it would be dismissed out of hand

      I think they'd check the facts first. And then dismiss it, because when Donald Trump says something like this, it's usually a lie. Because that's what he does. It's the safe assumption.

      The truth is that the American media has been well-infiltrated by Chinese spies and is manipulating us to hate democracy

      I think it's more Russia, but China also seems to be benefiting from the way right-wing media (not to mention right-wing politicians, obviously) are undermining democracy. Trump seems eager to hand power to Russia and China, and shake hands with North Korea.

    7. Re:Where's the Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If Donald Trump were to make this kind of accusation, it would be dismissed out of hand [...]

      Trump is such a low hangin' fruit, though. If Donald Trump opens his mouth we can be pretty certain by now that what he's going to say is some bullshit he's just made up in order to satisfy his pathologically narcissist ego and might later deny 100% despite direct evidence to the contrary, so it's a fairly reliable heuristic. To most people on earth some Australian Intelligence agency will be at least slightly more credible than Donald Trump.

    8. Re:Where's the Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Welcome communism? The only communists I see are the frothing at the mouth MAGA-heads who are demanding the US Gov't force private companies to put their uneducated, no-good ignorant asses on their payrolls with meaningless unskilled labor jobs that they refuse to take anyway. FFS -- you idiots are so brainwashed that you lap up all the BS the right wing propaganda outlets feed you. Fuck -- you even think FOX is actual news and not the complete and utter bullshit it is

    9. Re: Where's the Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatâ(TM)s the weather like today in the part of China youâ(TM)re in?

    10. Re:Where's the Proof? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you'd get similar results from Democrats

    11. Re:Where's the Proof? by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you'd get similar results from Democrats

      Still waiting (do not accept photoshopped ones) ...

  2. If Chinese spies are doing their job by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of Chinese spies are even halfway doing their job, they'll be taking advantage of the fact that so many countries use so much gear made in China. They should be fired and may be executed if they aren't doing this.

    1. Re:If Chinese spies are doing their job by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      Of Chinese spies are even halfway doing their job, they'll be taking advantage of the fact that so many countries use so much gear made in China.

      Like what... server motherboards? ;)

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  3. The Absurdity Of Claiming To Be An Atheist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    I have a classic book in front of me published in the year 1868, titled “GOD IN HISTORY and GOD IN SCIENCE,” authored by London Pastor John Cumming (1807-1881).[1] May I say kindly, there's no such thing as an atheist! Some of the world's wealthiest celebrities have the stench of Hell on them, which is where they are all going, blaspheming the very God Who is kind to them. Luke 6:35b, “...for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.”

    Legendary singer Billy Joel is a professed atheist...

    “I gradually decided that just because I didn't have or couldn't find the ultimate answer didn't mean I was going to buy the religious fairytale. As an atheist you have to rationalize things.” —Billy Joel

    On page 139 of his book, “GOD IN HISTORY and GOD IN SCIENCE,” Pastor John Cumming makes a brilliant observation concerning professed atheists...

    Atheism is folly as much as wickedness. But suffer me, before I show this, to say, that it is absolutely impossible that any man can be an atheist, in the strict sense of that word. All that any can say is this: “No spot that I have searched does reveal a God; every organization I have examined does not show traces of wisdom, goodness, and design:” but that individual cannot say; “There is no God;” because he cannot say, “I have soared to the farthest star, I have descended to the deepest mines, I have swept all space, and searched all time, and in the realms of infinite space I have not detected any traces of a God.” In other words, to be able to say, “There is no God,” you must yourself assume to be God, which is a reductio ad absurdum, an utter and a complete absurdity.

    SOURCE: “GOD IN HISTORY and GOD IN SCIENCE,” p. 139; by Rev. John Cumming, D.D.; New York: Published by Carlton & Lanahan; 200 Mulberry-Street; 1868.

    What a brilliant observation. How can any man claim to be an atheist unless he has traveled to the farthest place in the universe? The nearest star to the earth (after our own sun) is Alpha Centauri, which is 4.37 light-years away (28,200,000,000,000 miles away!). This is just one star, being the closest to earth besides our own sun, which is 93,000,000,000 miles away. My friend, the Hubble Space Telescope has discovered that there are at least 200,000,000,000 galaxies in the universe. And each of those galaxies contains BILLIONS of stars! It is anticipated that when the James Webb Telescope is launched in 2018 from NASA, that it will discover over ONE TRILLION GALAXIES!!!

    The Word of God teaches that God made the stars. I love how Genesis 1:16 is written... “HE MADE THE STARS ALSO.” It's like the Bible is saying, “Oh, by the way, God also made all the stars!” Genesis 1:16, “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.” God is amazing, Who knows the exact number of stars that He created, and he calls them each by their own name. Amen! Psalms 147:4, “He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.” I have just briefly discussed the stars. The world that exists under a microscope is even more amazing, complex and a mystery to mankind. How can anyone reasonably claim to be an atheist when man hasn't even discovered what's in 90% of the earth's oceans? Pastor John Cumming is so right... For anyone to say, “There is no God!,” you must yourself assume to be God! No human being has traveled to the ends of the universe. In fact, no human being has ever even left the Milky Way Solar System. Psalms 145:3, “Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised; and his greatness is unsearchable.”

    John Cumming was a Scottish minister who was well-known for his anti-Catholic writings and preaching. Amen for that! One of the biggest evidences of apostasy in the Unit

    1. Re:The Absurdity Of Claiming To Be An Atheist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      It appears that your community college education did you a disservice.

  4. who cares. cisco provides this service to anyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    at least huawei only did it for the chinese. cisco provides that service to anyone with hardcoded backdoors and whatnot..

  5. So you are saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    So you are saying that there is a chink in our network security infrastructure?

  6. "Knows" ... just like those WMDs again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    I don’t even think it's not true. I'm certain everyone spies on everyone, and that's how it has always been. And they’re all cunts. (UK definition.)

    It's just that I always groan at the blatantly obvious propaganda and hate-instilling purposes of shit like this. I do the same, whenever a piece of non-western propaganda gets trough to me. But I find it horrible, how people here in the west just eat that shit up, like it’s 2 westerners 1 sewage pipe. I know that Russians, for example, know that everything their government says is a lie. I'm not sure about the Chinese. And here in Germany, it depends, but most like to suck ruler cock though, just for the sake of sucking, not because the ideology du jour was relevant. But I digress...

    Can we just agree that all our rulers* are psychopathic pieces of shit that harm literally ALL the things, including themselves, and either stand up, or shut the fuck up about all and everything that comes from them.
    As in: AC's law: If you repeat anything, that in any way, even partially, is based on something told by rulers, your argument is automatically invalid, so neither true NOR even false, and you automatically disqualify from the discussion. (E.g. mark them as "troll" on /.)

    _ _ _ _ _
    * I say "rulers", instead of "governments", or "corporations", because in the USA, there seems to be a confusion, where you call the representatives of a corporate oligarchy a "democratic government", even though it is the cause of the annihilation of an actual democratic government, which, by definition, would be by the people, for the people. Leading to hate towards the very thing that would save them, playing right into the hands of the oppressors.

  7. Lying nazi faggot RAY MORRIS pushd nazi propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12520486&cid=57184660 - RAY MORRIS you dishonest nazi cunt, there will be consequences for your lies.

  8. Never could happen to me by houghi · · Score: 3, Funny

    U use routing by Cisco, so this could never happen to me. Sales person told me so.

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    1. Re:Never could happen to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. The herd of egotistical giraffes in your server room aren't working for the chinese.

  9. Well ... by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If one stops to think about the idea, it makes sense for a plutocracy that believes in a surveillance state to build spyware into the products its communications industry exports. If I were a ranking member of the Chinese Communist Party, I would definitely be advocating for this to further my agenda because so many western countries are scrambling for telecommunications hardware being made by the two biggest Chinese networking gear manufacturers Huawei and ZTE. It's simple really: make it monetarily attractive to go with something other than Cisco while secretly incorporating spyware and backdoors into routing and switching products while delaying, obstructing, and obfuscating. Unlike a lot of theories and accusations, this one isn't of the tin foil variety. The Chinese Communist Party is actually being commendably (sic) creative about the entire affair. They know that in basic capitalist economies, people look for the least expensive option to maximize the most amount of profit. So they may subsidize ZTE and Huawei allowing the two behemoths to sell their networking gear at (maybe?) less than cost if they include backdoors. Western government and industry gobbles this cheaper alternative up and the Chinese plutocracy can then just siphon off government, trade, and industry secrets.

    1. Re:Well ... by farble1670 · · Score: 2

      If one stops to think about the idea, it makes sense for a plutocracy that believes in a surveillance state to build spyware into the products its communications industry exports.

      Not really. All good and well unless someone figures it out. Then *everyone* stops buying your products. You are out the surveillance and the profits.

      They know that in basic capitalist economies, people look for the least expensive option to maximize the most amount of profit.

      Except this: https://www.theverge.com/2018/...

      Huawei and ZTE technology will largely be banned from use by the US government and government contractors. The ban was signed into placed by President Trump today as a component of the much larger Defense Authorization Act.

    2. Re:Well ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why does Cisco do it? Is the USA a plutocracy also?

  10. And how would Australia possibly know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Because the Chinese then wrote all of this down and posted it in a bulletin for the whole world to see? That's not how intelligence gathering works.

    This is the thing about many of the "reports" and accusations coming from America and her little puppets like Australia and UK -- there is no proof, just claims, allegations, and accusations.

    Show us the proof, and we'll listen.

    1. Re:And how would Australia possibly know? by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Re:And how would Australia possibly know?

      By the backdoors it has in Chinese services perhaps?

    2. Re: And how would Australia possibly know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada told them!

  11. Nazi coward RAY MORRIS pushed NAZI PROPAGANDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12520486&cid=57184660 - RAY MORRIS you dishonest nazi cunt, there will be consequences for your lies.

  12. That's ruverry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    So you are saying that there is a chink in our network security infrastructure?

    That's ruverry you lacist pig

  13. Good job raymorris: Why? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    See subject: You too, like myself, NOW have a "troll fanclub" of UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous LOSERS hassling you (means you did a good job of things "upsetting" their BOGUS agendas somehow).

    * Congratulations - you too have "made the grade"!

    This asshole here https://slashdot.org/comments.... & here too https://slashdot.org/comments.... ? PITIFUL - grade "F" for all they KNOW how to do in LIFE - FAIL!

    APK

    P.S.=> IF/when you're being attacked by asshole losers that have NOTHING BETTER TO DO than be the assholes they TRULY are (losers) & they can't validly attack tech points you make instead trying ILLOGIC-LOGIC ad hominem attacks on YOU personally? You've done really well... apk

  14. Aussie == US by ClarkMills · · Score: 2

    I'm a kiwi so may just be biased; it's tradition to sling mud over the ditch...

    But we see Aussie in the US' back pocket... sort of a 51st state...

    1. Re:Aussie == US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's okay, we see you as freeloaders. Haven't done much for regional security since 1966, though your SAS guys, though under-funded, under-manned and embarrassingly poorly equipped, kicked ass in the Helmland for the few weeks your parliament decided to live up to the ANZUS pact.

    2. Re:Aussie == US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a kiwi so may just be biased; it's tradition to sling mud over the ditch...

      But we see Aussie in the US' back pocket... sort of a 51st state...

      Yeah, you can't trust those 5 Eyes guys.

    3. Re:Aussie == US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why did the US attack Afghanistan? Did they throw a dart on the map, or did they spin a globe?

    4. Re:Aussie == US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the land of Oz is the 51st state of the USA, then NZ is a suburb of the D.C.
      And not the most desirable suburb of the D.C. at that.

  15. Title does not make sense. by kamapuaa · · Score: 0

    "Australian Intelligence"? Isn't that an oxymoron?

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  16. All you chips are belong to us by surfcow · · Score: 1

    US: WE GOT THE BEST TOYS!

    China: We built the chips for your toys.

    US: But ... WE GOT THE BEST TOYS!

    1. Re:All you chips are belong to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The best chips are still designed and made in the USA.

      Anybody looking to cut corners with chinese garbage deserves what they get.

  17. Re:who cares. cisco provides this service to anyon by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    who cares

    What time is over there in Beijing anyway? You've had a hard day of trolling the west. Get some sleep.

  18. Leaving this here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for future readers that were sure they had no power, no obligation or no responsibility to defend their way of life. Some day maybe you'll come here to these archives and peruse through some of these posts and realise you had the power to make a difference. You can still protect your country, your people and your constitutional rights, you can still make a difference. Don't lower your head in regret. Keep fighting. You have a mind. Never forget that. Don't let yourself be immortalised as a meme of your own doing.

  19. Suprised? Why? Remember Nortel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The state-company literally was formed from the IP theft of Nortel Networks. Bing it, Google it... fascinatingly sad why and how they systematically stole their IP for new products then released their 'own' undercutting Nortel until they were gone.

    This company needs to be squashed out of existence.