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Tencent Will Soon Require Chinese Users To Present IDs To Play Its Video Games (theverge.com)

China's Tencent will soon require gamers to prove their ages and identities against police records, according to a new official statement yesterday. Under the new system, users will need to register their Chinese national IDs in order to play any games from Tencent. The Verge reports: Ten mobile games will get the new verification system by the end of the year, and all games offered by Tencent, including PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds and League of Legends, will get the system by 2019. Tencent has been criticized by state-run People's Daily, which called Arena of Valor "poison," after reports that students were ditching their homework to play the mobile game.

Tencent has also faced direct regulatory pressure this summer, after President Xi Jinping pointed out that too many children were nearsighted and said the government was taking action. Beijing officially ruled to ban new games, cementing an unofficial pause that started back in March, costing Tencent up to $1.5 billion in lost revenue as it was unable to launch games it had been developing. In September, Tencent imposed the new verification system on Arena of Valor and created a feature that blurs the screen if minors look too closely at it. The new system simply enforces rules that Tencent had in place since last year: barring gamers who are 12 and under from playing more than an hour a day and establishing a curfew of 9PM. Those who are 13 to 18 can play up to two hours a day. Still, the system won't prevent minors from borrowing the phones of their parents and other adults.

56 comments

  1. Re:Priorities by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Can you still play video games in chinese muslim internment camps?

    They are really Uyghur internment camps, not for muslims in general. The Hui people are muslim, but generally more assimilated than the Uyghurs, and none of them are interned.

    Or are games only for non muslim chinese?

    Anyone can play them. Only about 10% of the Uyghur population is interned, so the other 90% can play video games if they like. The CCP would prefer that over young men going to the mosque and causing trouble. Video games tend to have a pacifying social effect. It is the opium of the people.

  2. Heavy-handed but not without merit by Camembert · · Score: 2

    I actually do find that it is healthier to keep kids away from overdosing on video games, rather encourage them to do more physical world social activities. The iron-fist way China approaches the issue can be debated, of course. But since becoming a dad of 2 year old twins I think quite a lot about good ways for them to explore and play. Currently they have almost no screentime (a bit of Peppa Pig etc every two days) and I intend to keep it that way, increasing the use of TV, ipads, videogames in moderation over time and rather let them play in other ways. I have seen other kids who are utterly addicted to video consoles and will not let that happen. I don't plan to be heavy handed about it, rather hope to enable them to find interest and joy in many other ways. Recently they started enjoying drawing scribbles with crayon for example, they were inspired by me often drawing little things for them. Parenting is a challenge, but so rewarding.

    1. Re:Heavy-handed but not without merit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately you've missed the issue in play here. The issue is that kids waste all their time playing games when they should be studying. Doctors and Nurses are losing their manual dexterity because they're using touch screens too much (all those shitty microtransaction games.)

      So what does that tell us? That says kids should be playing games that require that dexterity, but most of those games are on Nintendo's platform, the same platform that has a touch screen. Consoles that use conventional game controllers don't really improve dexterity, but hand-eye coordination. Touch screens do not help hand-eye coordination because you are basically steering with your eyes, where as you rely on muscle memory for playing games with a keyboard, mouse and/or game controller.

      Like China might be on to something here, but China rarely does things with good intentions without making it come off as cultish.

    2. Re:Heavy-handed but not without merit by bluescrn · · Score: 2

      Throughout the 80s and 90s, videogames created a generation of programmers. We started by playing games. Then thought 'how do these games work? could I make my own?'. Then started tinkering with BASIC, enjoyed it, and wanted to learn more, and create software of our own. It's sad how much things have changed. Instead of booting into BASIC and encouraging you to tinker, devices pretty much boot into a storefront and the apps constantly beg you to spend. :(

    3. Re:Heavy-handed but not without merit by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the outcry if this much oversight was required for lethal firearms in the U.S.!? ...but I can understand... video games are dangerous.

    4. Re:Heavy-handed but not without merit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since becoming a dad of 2 year old twins

      Parents are a big part of the problem. They keep trying to child-proof the world and in the process allow transgressions against personal freedom that would never fly if it weren't for "thinking of the children". Some merit? This will teach kids that they are required to identify themselves and submit to deeply intrusive surveillance of their activities at all times.

    5. Re:Heavy-handed but not without merit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck parents, if I want to smoke in a maternity ward, I should be able, it's my personal freedom. Enough with that "think of the children and child-proofing the world."

    6. Re:Heavy-handed but not without merit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The iron-fist way China approaches the issue can be debated, of course.

      *Can* be debated?

      It's like lauding Hitler's highways while making discussion of totalitarianism optional. The disadvantages and the advantages are not just in different ball parks, they're in different solar systems.

    7. Re:Heavy-handed but not without merit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Abnormally shielding (imprisoning) them from the way the world works will not work... Good luck. Your kids will probably be in porn when they are able.

      You're a n00b idiot parent so I understand. Raise a few to adulthood and then you will understand.

  3. Asian people die playing videogames by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In asia they rent tiny cramped cubicles and eat noodles and play games until they die. They sit there mining spacegolds until they collapse and just die. Part of some Shinto belief system. The ID will help the goverment recover the organs more efficiently.

    1. Re: Asian people die playing videogames by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I missed you, Alex Jones. Loved your cameo in A Scanner Darkly.

  4. We need this in America! Vote Democrat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need an internet license to make sure Russian and alt-right neo-nazis don't influence our sacred democratic process! Then Google, Facebook, and other trusted companies can authenticate our actions on the internet. We can't let fascism in!

    1. Re:We need this in America! Vote Democrat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the trumpet

  5. Re:Encourage them by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    To spend it wisely, "screen time" could equal genius if spent correctly.

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  6. Prevent too many games for minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also played Tencent's game, I really encountered the problem of authentication, but I support it. Now Tencent's game makes many minors addicted. I also saw a video yesterday. It is a child playing games on the mobile phone. After collecting the mobile phone, the child violently beat the parents and looked terrible. https://www.hkhangboo.com/

    1. Re:Prevent too many games for minors by giNQNtckR2OuZMI · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Prevent too many games for minors by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      The thing is there is no such thing as "video game addiction". People really tend to get bored with games, not something you'd expect to happen with proper,real addiction. It's just bad time management skills, they can lead to conflicts. Games is just one of millions of things over which a neglected child would make a tantrum over.

    3. Re:Prevent too many games for minors by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Except that is wrong. And people have died form this addiction. The business of video games is as unscrupulous as all gambling houses throughout history. They really don't care what the games do to you, as long as they get paid.

    4. Re:Prevent too many games for minors by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      The difference is, people are blaming video games for their actions(or lack thereof). People aren't blaming partying and social life when a toddler starves to death, or dies from dehydration. Rather they state that the person was inept and criminally responsible for their own actions. That's the difference between the two. It's a easy way out, and video games are just the latest round of *insert satanic bogeyman that kills kids/people/offends the ancestors*

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  7. Prevent too many games for minors by giNQNtckR2OuZMI · · Score: 1

    I also played Tencent's game, I really encountered the problem of authentication, but I support it. Now Tencent's game makes many minors addicted. I also saw a video yesterday. It is a child playing games on the mobile phone. After collecting the mobile phone, the child violently beat the parents and looked terrible.

  8. Re:APK is a faggot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pirate your software.

    It's not that good.

  9. Re:Encourage them by Camembert · · Score: 1

    Yes, that is the key. Spend the screentime wisely and don't get addicted to a dumb game. Nothing wrong with constructing something virtually in minecraft for example. Anyway, at this moment my twins are too young for much screen time anyway. As I wrote, a bit of Peppa Pig is wonderful, TV is on only a few minutes every other day.

  10. Re: Priorities by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Good on China for only forcing some Muslims into concentration camps

    They are not forced into internment camps because they are muslims, but because they are separatists.

    Clearly they have learned from the British and Americans follies

    Indeed. Time for some Whataboutism: British internment camps, were the first to target an entire population, and had a mortality rate of 50%. American internment camps during the Philippine-American War had a mortality rate of about 20%. There are no reports of excess deaths in the Chinese camps, so they still have some catching up to do.

  11. Re: Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Theyâ(TM)re both Muslim groups, but different ethnicities. You canâ(TM)t say itâ(TM)s broadly anti-Muslim because Hui Muslims are much greater in number.

    Thatâ(TM)s said itâ(TM)s clearly colonialist bullshit and I see the other poster is doing the two wrongs=right argument.

  12. And? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

    Ebay just locked me out of the account I've had for years and years. Why? They want to know my real identity. They either wanted to send a text to my cell, call me voice, or have me upload a scan of my ID card. I used Ebay for a long time with no problems, and now suddenly they want my infoz? Let's clean our own house before we criticize others for doing the exact same thing.

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    1. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes in the 'West' we have our non-elected central banks somehow enforcing moral guidelines and Know Your Customer (KYC) rules (not laws mind you) on transactions and accounts. It isn't much different and at least the Chinese government is public about it. Here you get KYC'ed arbitrarily by any large tech company and in some cases multiple times IF your account looks double plus ungood. Or you lose your bank account if you are doing 'naughty' but completely legal things banks or their friends in politics don't like. At some point well too late we will realize the federal reserve runs the economy and therefore the country. There is a reason that congress doesn't want to audit them which they were supposed to be actively doing for the past 100 years.

    2. Re:And? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Ebay won't send a SWAT team to disappear you and your family in the middle of the night and then sell your organs to rich Party officials if you refuse their request.

      Yet.

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  13. Re:APK is a faggot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " I have a net worth of several million dollars"

    And you're posting shit here...

  14. Re: Priorities by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Oh, well that clearly makes it all okay.

    I never said it was "okay", and I certainly don't think it is. Explaining something and putting in context is not the same as approval.

    Does Beijing pay you in yuan or imperialist Yankee petrodollars?

    Bitcoin.

  15. Punish the parents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... too many children were nearsighted ...

    Yeah, it's the video game, not staring at a textbook for 55 hours/week and playing only ping-pong during lunch, causing the problem.

    ... borrowing the phones of their parents ...

    How about punishing the parents, instead of compensating for their laziness? If parents are handing over their phone so the child can play via multiple accounts, they'll hand over their national Id. too. I doubt this will work.

  16. Re:Priorities by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    You have to watch China Uncensored

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    China is East Germany on steroids.

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  17. Good Solution by Jzanu · · Score: 1

    This is the only way to deal with the addiction engineering that drives game design. Gambling was its origin, now these mobile platforms abuse the same methods to siphon money from children. That vulnerable group is damaged in more ways than financial, while the eyesight link is dubious the social impact and academic impacts are absolutely real. China's approach may seem draconian but put aside your default bias for a moment. This option links a game player to an account, not just to a phone. To open that account the ID must be presented, so it would require children to steal their parents' ID, which is a major issue in itself and 100% a direct sign of addiction if it is done.

  18. Re::) ha ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ^---themselves

  19. Social Credit by The+Bender · · Score: 0

    This is likely related to data-gathering for the Chinese "Social Credit" system, and stopping kids play too much is the cover story. Check the relevant recent episode on NPR's "Planet Money". https://www.npr.org/sections/m...

  20. Good way to prevent cheaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you look at the big Western games like Overwatch, Fortnite, and in particular CS:GO, then they are hugely disrupted by cheaters. Valve are happy to ban a cheater after months of cheating and being reported, and then letting them buy the game and play again. You see, the cheaters are also paying customers, so Valve would like them to stay for as long is possible.

    If you could ban a real person, the whole cheating problem would be massively reduced. But then again, there's less money in that so why would Valve etc. do it?

    It's good to see that China is at least tackling dishonesty and cheating not just in society as whole, but in the online world as well. Meanwhile, we're just accusing them of spying and being a surveillance state while we live with all our own faults and problems and refuse to do something about them...

    1. Re:Good way to prevent cheaters by ledow · · Score: 1

      Your argument is flawed.

      Every time Valve CATCHES a cheater, they get paid again.

      Every time they miss one, they don't get paid.

      It's therefore in their interest to catch as many as they can, as often as they can, and make the barrier to entry high (i.e. you can't just wander into a free game without having made a purchase of tied in a credit card, etc.).

      If a cheater persists for any length of time, Valve get NOTHING for all that disruption, except unhappy customers, for all the time it persists, until they remove the offender.

      I have no doubt that they'd rather be paid every time someone needs to re-create a Steam account (which they effectively are - non-purchase accounts are very limited in what they can do) than a one-off identity of a gamer who could be banned for life, but it's vastly in their interest to let that same idiot back in and then IMMEDIATELY ban him.

      Cheaters don't persist in gaming because they are spending money, however. They persist because they are stealing / hijacking accounts, or are able to join servers without any kind of initial fee being paid. Having a "free-to-play" game is the problem.

    2. Re: Good way to prevent cheaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CS:Go and overwatch cost money to play. Your point is flawed.

  21. Re: Priorities by Jzanu · · Score: 1

    The Spanish invented concentration camps in 1896 in Cuba, so the British and Americans later just imitated them. Then the Italians in Libya imitated the British and Americans, and the Nazis made the Italian version even more lethal.

  22. Eyesight by DrYak · · Score: 1

    while the eyesight link is dubious

    Video games directly causing eyesight degradation is dubious (as in you need to use some magic filter glasses to avoid your eyes dying slowly when looking at screens).

    There is some corpus of evidence (including studies done in Japan that predate widespread use of smartphones) that somewhat link decreased time spent outside (outdoor activities in sunshine) with increasing need for prescription glasses (not simply explainable by increased reporting due to higher reporting).
    And some phenomenon replicated in lab by sewing semi-shut eyelids of apes (still an aweful thing to do in my opninion).

    It looks like there is something causing eyes to get myopia when they spend more time looking to close object under faint lights (indoor, evenings) rather than far away in the sunshine.

    From that point of view, video games are simply yet another distraction from outdoor activities (as were books when the first such studies were started) whose reduction could have some play in degrading eyesight.

    But I don't think outlawing games like totalitarian China is doing is a great solution to the problem.

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  23. Re: Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's some toilet paper then.

  24. Awesome ad, bro by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    You get fifty cents for making the post, plus it's simultaneously an ad for some incendiary vape equipment. Genius.

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  25. Re: Priorities by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    Bacon oath ? I do so swear on this BLT that I am not of the Islamic faith. I believe there is a specific clause that allows Muslims to forswear the faith while in the pursuit of a fatwah or jihad.

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  26. What "notware" is that of yours? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What "notware" is that of yours? You keep saying that but everytime I ask this you "Run, Forrest - RUN!!!" lol - & IF you have it? Good for you (only problem is, I don't see PROOF of it OR your "million$" (only of your millions of LIES)).

    * Unlike YOU, I actually OWN a nice home & have a real ware others LIKE/USE/PRAISE & I can prove it (unlike YOU, lol) - even from quoted registered /.ers Mr. UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous nobody liar. & I don't NEED a MILLION DOLLAR$ to get laid - apparently, lol, YOU DO (not that you actually have that money).

    APK

    P.S.=> I overstate NOTHING - Proof is in this post (hosts work to nullify threats & speed you up too 2 ways unlike other 'methods' full of bugs & slowdown + security issues (DNS/Antivirus)) https://it.slashdot.org/commen... ... apk

    1. Re:What "notware" is that of yours? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't stop lying. When caught you lie some more because you are a sack of shit. I'm still waiting for that list that blocks all possible hosts from APK-is-a-retard.com that you claim your shitware can produce. I've even told you that I would accept a list containing just 1% but you can't produce it because your software doesn't work, just like you.

  27. Re: End game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this modded down?

    This is the end goal. Complete control.

  28. I show my faith thru my works... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: My work that works vs. threats (+ speeds you up 2 ways adblocking & hardcodes) https://it.slashdot.org/commen... ) - you don't shitbag.

    * You're a FUCKING BULLSHIT ARTIST LIAR... e.g. where your "MILLION$" you just 'bragged' you have? They're not (no more than your HOTAIRWARE you talked of also).

    (Vs. your crap? Proof that once you block out threats, they can't harm you - hosts do that, MINUS the false positives wildcarding generates).

    APK

    P.S.=> You UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous little piece of SHIT punk... apk

  29. Credit due by Maritz · · Score: 1

    You've gotta hand it to China, they've really hit the ground running with the whole "build a grim technological dystopia" gambit.

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