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When No One Retires (hbr.org)

More and more Americans want to work longer -- or have to, given that many aren't saving adequately for retirement. From a report: Before our eyes, the world is undergoing a massive demographic transformation. In many countries, the population is getting old. Very old. Globally, the number of people age 60 and over is projected to double to more than 2 billion by 2050 and those 60 and over will outnumber children under the age of 5. In the United States, about 10,000 people turn 65 each day, and one in five Americans will be 65 or older by 2030. By 2035, Americans of retirement age will eclipse the number of people aged 18 and under for the first time in U.S. history.

[...] Soon, the workforce will include people from as many as five generations ranging in age from teenagers to 80-somethings. Are companies prepared? The short answer is "no." Aging will affect every aspect of business operations -- whether it's talent recruitment, the structure of compensation and benefits, the development of products and services, how innovation is unlocked, how offices and factories are designed, and even how work is structured -- but for some reason, the message just hasn't gotten through. In general, corporate leaders have yet to invest the time and resources necessary to fully grasp the unprecedented ways that aging will change the rules of the game.

What's more, those who do think about the impacts of an aging population typically see a looming crisis -- not an opportunity. They fail to appreciate the potential that older adults present as workers and consumers. The reality, however, is that increasing longevity contributes to global economic growth. Today's older adults are generally healthier and more active than those of generations past, and they are changing the nature of retirement as they continue to learn, work, and contribute. In the workplace, they provide emotional stability, complex problem-solving skills, nuanced thinking, and institutional know-how. Their talents complement those of younger workers, and their guidance and support enhance performance and intergenerational collaboration. In encore careers, volunteering, and civic and social settings, their experience and problem-solving abilities contribute to society's well-being.

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  1. Fuck that by registrations_suck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am retiring the instant I meet my relevant financial goals for doing so.

    1. Re:Fuck that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or just don't try to find fulfilment through work. Hobbies, crafts, volunteering, learning, and family are all much, much, much better than work. For 90% of people, the only thing work is good for is to earn money so they can do other things.

    2. Re:Fuck that by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am retiring the instant I meet my relevant financial goals for doing so.

      I got laid off in June 2017, but am debt-free (including having my mortgage paid off) and financially independent for my current and foreseeable situation, according to my spreadsheets where I track everything -- think FIRE, though not that young. My wife died in 2006 ( Remember Sue... ) so it's a little quiet.

      As it turns out, I've been contacted by a number of employers and recruiters recently and had one in-person interview and several phone interviews that all look like they'll progress further. I've got 30 years experience and been a system/application programmer and system administrator on just about every version of Unix, several versions of Linux and Windows and am big into automation and am getting inquires to do DevOps work. I'm thinking of going back to work. Some extra coin in the piggy bank wouldn't hurt and I'll get benefits and, eventually, 18 months of COBRA -- which was *way* less expensive than plans on the ACA marketplace, because I have too much passive/investment income to get subsidies.

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  2. Putting a stop on the promotion path. by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Really the biggest problem I see, is how Gen X and Millennials are getting blocked out of their advancement tracks. When people in their 60+ are not retiring, that is creating a workforce where it is difficult to for the younger folks to advance in, because these promotion jobs are already covered by people with more experience.

    Plus the next set of problem, is these older people are not planning on retiring, so this means, they are not taking promising young people under their wing, mentoring them the tricks of the trade, to be ready to step up and continue on the work. Now these people are working to their death, without a transition plan in effect.

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    1. Re:Putting a stop on the promotion path. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When people in their 60+ are not retiring, that is creating a workforce where it is difficult to for the younger folks to advance

      This is a variation of the Lump of Labor Fallacy, and is economic nonsense. There is not a fixed number of jobs in the economy, nor a fixed number of opportunities to be productive, and late retirements do not "hold back" younger workers.

    2. Re:Putting a stop on the promotion path. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He's not saying "be productive". He's saying "climb the corporate ladder".

      This is still "zero sum" thinking. It is only true if you assume that corporations don't grow, and new corporations don't form.

      A higher retirement age means more people being productive, and a BIGGER ECONOMY. This leads to more economic opportunities, not fewer.

      Furthermore, older workers tend to save more and spend less. This means more investment in capital, which increases the value of labor.

      Much of the stagnation in wages over the last few decades has been because of too much consumption, too much debt, too little savings, and too little capital investment, which has been worsened by declining workforce participation. Wage stagnation has NOT happened in countries with high rates of savings and investment.

      Pushing people into premature retirement is exactly the opposite of what makes sense. America needs higher workforce participation, not lower. We should be encouraging older people to stay in their jobs as long as they want.

  3. Re:Complete bullshit statistics !!! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    How the hell do they know that in 2050 the number of 60year old will be greater than the number of 5yr old, when those 5years old will be born in 2045 by a vast majority of parents NOT YET EVEN BORN TODAY !!!!

    There's an entire branch of applied mathematics, known as actuarial statistics, that literally does nothing but figure these things all day long. And since corporations pay them a ton of money to do these projections, they've gotten pretty good at them. As in, amazingly good.

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  4. Re:But UBI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My job doesn't pay as much as I would like. Waaaaaaaaaaa!

    Dude, "some might call it slavery" is ridiculous. You are looking at it *all wrong*.

    Slaves cannot refuse sex. You can. Slaves cannot quit and choose a different employer. You can. Slaves cannot refuse to be beaten. You can. Slaves cannot choose where they live. You can. Slaves cannot vote. You can. Your analogy is juvenile.

    You like having things, like clothing, food, electricity? Well, somebody has got to produce all of that for you. You think THEY want to work for free? THAT would be slavery. No, you MUST give something back for all the effort they have put forth on your account. YOUR job is how YOU pay them back. The "tokens" are just a means of facilitating the exchange.

    Yes, we have a problem wherein too much wealth and power are concentrated among too few people. But your analysis of the situation is idiot-level wrong.

  5. Social Security ratios continue to drop by TheSync · · Score: 5, Informative

    People certainly are "retiring" in terms of collecting Social Security old age benefits.

    There were about 2.8 workers for every Social Security Old Age old age, survivors, and disability insurance (OASDI) beneficiary in 2017. This is down from 3.7 in 1970, and 5.1 in 1960. Te ratio had been stable, remaining between 3.2 and 3.4 from 1974 through 2008, but now going down quickly.

    The Social Security trustees forecast that the ratio of workers to beneficiaries reaches 2.2 by 2035 when the baby-boom generation will have largely retired.

  6. Unless a family member gets sick by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Informative

    or the stock market crashes and takes out your investments. Or your company outsources your job in your 50s and nobody'll hire you. Or any one of a dozen things out of your control happen.

    But it's a good thing we didn't gut the social safety net and that nobody is doing anything that could impact your plans to retire.

    I'm sure knowing all that is a real load off the old minderooni.

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  7. Re:What's the point of retiring? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I could literally retire right now and not run out of things to do for the rest of my life, no matter how old I may get.

    If you define yourself only by your work, I have nothing but pity for you.

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  8. Or you could just write OSS software by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    or volunteer. Or get involved in politics. Or play video games. Or build model airplanes. Or teach a community college class. Or do any one of a million things folks can do when they're not working all the time. There's plenty of ways to be relevant w/o working full time.

    Yes, there are some folks who don't know what to do with themselves if they're not working. But they myth that most folks are that way is, well, a myth. One I suspect the wealthy put in our heads like the old "Idle hands are the devil's plaything" bullshit.

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