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Better 'Nowcasting' Can Reveal What Weather is About To Hit Within 500 Meters (technologyreview.com)

Weather forecasting is impressively accurate given how changeable and chaotic Earth's climate can be. It's not unusual to get 10-day forecasts with a reasonable level of accuracy. But there is still much to be done. One challenge for meteorologists is to improve their "nowcasting," the ability to forecast weather in the next six hours or so at a spatial resolution of a square kilometer or less. From a report: In areas where the weather can change rapidly, that is difficult. And there is much at stake. Agricultural activity is increasingly dependent on nowcasting, and the safety of many sporting events depends on it too. Then there is the risk that sudden rainfall could lead to flash flooding, a growing problem in many areas because of climate change and urbanization. That has implications for infrastructure, such as sewage management, and for safety, since this kind of flooding can kill. So meteorologists would dearly love to have a better way to make their nowcasts. Enter Blandine Bianchi from EPFL in Lausanne, Switzerland, and a few colleagues, who have developed a method for combining meteorological data from several sources to produce nowcasts with improved accuracy.

Their work has the potential to change the utility of this kind of forecasting for everyone from farmers and gardeners to emergency services and sewage engineers. Current forecasting is limited by the data and the scale on which it is gathered and processed. For example, satellite data has a spatial resolution of 50 to 100 km and allows the tracking and forecasting of large cloud cells over a time scale of six to nine hours. By contrast, radar data is updated every five minutes, with a spatial resolution of about a kilometer, and leads to predictions on the time scale of one to three hours. Another source of data is the microwave links used by telecommunications companies, which are degraded by rainfall.

45 comments

  1. I have this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have this already. I call it a "window".

    1. Re:I have this already by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      You should really switch to Linux.

    2. Re:I have this already by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Linux is too fragmented. Go with FreeBSD.

    3. Re:I have this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is the new GayOS X, where X is ascii art for "sphincter."

    4. Re:I have this already by houghi · · Score: 1

      I have this already. I call it a "window".

      OK AC: I'll bite. I did that once. I opened the curtains and a big yellow globe in the sky burned both my retina's. I had to buy new Apple displays.

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    5. Re:I have this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Try a Weather Rock.

      - If the rock is wet, it's raining.
      - If the rock is swinging, the wind is blowing.
      - If the rock casts a shadow, the sun is shining.
      - If the rock does not cast a shadow and is not wet, the sky is cloudy.
      - If the rock is difficult to see, it is foggy.
      - If the rock is white, it is snowing.
      - If the rock is coated with ice, there is a frost.
      - If the ice is thick, it's a heavy frost.
      - If the rock is bouncing, there is an earthquake.
      - If the rock is under water, there is a flood.
      - If the rock is warm, it is sunny.
      - If the rock is missing, there was a tornado.
      - If the rock is wet and swinging violently, there is a hurricane.
      - If the rock can be felt but not seen, it is night time.
      - If the rock has white splats on it, watch out for birds.
      - If there are two rocks, stop drinking, you are drunk.

    6. Re:I have this already by tepples · · Score: 1

      A window gives current conditions, not a forecast for six hours from now.

    7. Re:I have this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bet you a dollar that I can give you a pretty damn good forecast just by looking out my window.

    8. Re:I have this already by tepples · · Score: 1

      The viability of that bet depends on where you live, particularly how far you can see (distance to horizon), how fast storm systems move through your area, and whether your window points upwind of the prevailing surface winds. Where I live, I've seen weather change from plentiful sun to a thunderstorm in less than two hours.

  2. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is completely unusual to get a ten-day forecast with any level of accuracy.

    1. Re: Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pile of nonsense best kept separate from real science

    2. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think wher ein the world you are may make a difference. I'm in the UK, and the weather forecasting is a standard joke. They give me a 12% chance of some precipitation, and I get the precipitation more often that chance would suggest. My wife says if there's any chance - we'll get it. Yet if you live further south, and especially towards Kent, the weather I think, because a lot more stable, and predictable.

      Water is 800 x heavier than air. So how can a cloud hold millions of drops of water?
      How does a flood or monsoon get suspended in the air? I think there's a lot we need to re-address as far as weather prediction is concerned, and I'm just pointing out that we may need to go back to the beginning with the insights we've gained over the last 50 years, to see if we can spot fundamental failings. Again, the model of how we get thunder and lightning doesn't hold water! (pun intended). We've only recently admitted the aurora borialis and austrialis are both power by the atmosphere becoming charged. But we seem scared to say electricity, currents, or magnetic fields for fear of ridicule. So I'm betting there's more happening in our upper atmosphere than we think, and it influences our weather. Or is it that our weather is as a consequence of what's going on that we're yet to acknowledge? Scientists have gone on record to say that the Sun has nothing to do with our weather, and yet, we now find it is causing some pretty dramatic effects in our atmosphere. What are we missing? What are we dismissing that perhaps should be dusted off, and re-visited?

    3. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      I feel like with so much collected data feeding so many simulations, that they're always forecasting weather events that never come. I lost track of how many times last winter that a HUGE SNOWSTORM was forecasted, schools and businesses closed, and then... nothing happened.

      25 years ago, we might have only had a day or two notice, but when a blizzard was forecasted, it came. Now we plan around 10 day forecasts that are rarely accurate.

    4. Re:Nope by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I think it will depend on your location. If you live in a mountainous area, your climate and weather is different every kilometer. It can be pouring rain on one side of a mountain, and sunny on the other side.
      Where I live I tend to have less snow then just 10 kilometers away from me, because of altitude, and the fact there are some mountains that take the brunt of the weather.

      However I find the 10 day forecast to be good enough to know if I should plan an outdoor activity over the weekend or not.

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    5. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does a flood or monsoon get suspended in the air?

      By accumulation of water runoff.

      A simple example is the water running off pavement in a rain, all that water becomes concentrated in the gutters - now if you were a small rodent, on the pavement you just get wet - but stand in the gutter and it would be a flood.

      Say an entire region gets 1 metric of measure (cm, inches, doesn't matter), now all that water drains/runs off into a lower region about 1/100 the size of the region that got rain. Now the water is 100 metrics of measure deep.

  3. Interesting by Drethon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I live on the edge of a small town with farms around. It seems like we've often had in the past couple years a lot of months where we got the northern edge of one storm, the southern edge of the next and end up without much rain overall compared to everyone around us. As a result the farmers have to start getting out the huge sprinklers for their crops, and the next day a storm hits us head on while the farmers are sprinkling. Seems like it could save a lot of gallons of irrigation, or alternately crop damage knowing if weather than day is actually going to rain here or miss again.

    1. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know services like WUnderground use the PWS's folks put up, and the accuracy and calibration of each can vary, but if you added in the captured data there (or at least off of the models you know to be more true) I wonder how that would help with accuracy and resolutions. I don't think WUnderground actually uses it for any sort of data crunching, but more of a "here's the current stats for your neighborhood based off of a local PWS".

    2. Re:Interesting by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      In general farming is better off with better data predictions.

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    3. Re:Interesting by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      The PWSs should be networked and have machine learning built in. Over time, they will learn which factors and which of their neighbor stations correlate with future weather. Something like Weather Underground would correlate the PWSs, and learn which ones make the better predictions.

      They may be doing this already.

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  4. Not written by a Brit by nagora · · Score: 4, Informative

    "It's not unusual to get 10-day forecasts with a reasonable level of accuracy"

    A UK 10-day forecast consists of the words "The sun is likely to come up; you may or may not be able to see it."

    5-day forecasts are generally little better than flipping a coin to see whether it will rain or not. 3-day isn't too bad and 1-day forecasts are reasonably good for much of the summer and winter; in spring and autumn they're pretty rough.

    None of which prevents the Met Office from showing weather maps with a ludicrous level of precision completely unmatched by their accuracy.

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    1. Re:Not written by a Brit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1-day forecasts are reasonably good for much of the summer and winter

      I suspect that summer and winter forecasts are better simply because a given day is much more likely to have the same weather as the day before. Less volatility, more predictability.

    2. Re:Not written by a Brit by nagora · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. And I suspect that is the source of the claim in the post - it's based on areas with relatively predictable weather. The UK sits on the meeting point of at least three major weather systems (Atlantic, Arctic, and Continental European) and is much harder to predict than, say, Kansas.

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  5. Nonsense article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This story is nonsense. I'm a meteorologist and I do severe storms research. There are a number of factual errors present, even in the summary. Nowcasting is a short term forecast, generally in the 0-6 hour time frame. That's one of the few things this story got right.

    Forecasters rely heavily on numerical models to make predictions. On a regional scale, these models numerically integrate a number of partial differential equations forward on a 3D grid. Many of these models are different configurations of the Weather Research & Forecasting (WRF) model. WRF can be run across many cores with shared memory (OpenMP) or distributed memory (MPI). Domains with very large numbers of grid points can be run across thousands of cores. If the spatial size of the domain size remains the same, adding grid points means decreasing the space between each grid point. Not only does this increase the processing requirements because of more grid points, but also the time step of the numerical integration generally has to decrease. High resolution domains require very large amounts of computing resources in order to produce a forecast in a reasonable amount of time.

    The highest resolution model that's regularly run operationally in the US is the High Resolution Rapid Refresh (HRRR) model, and is a specific configuration of WRF. The HRRR is run hourly and has a horizontal grid spacing of 3 km. This is well above the supposed precision of 500 meters. Furthermore, even if the HRRR was run at 500 m, it doesn't mean the forecast would be accurate on such small spatial scales. The big difference between the 3 km HRRR and coarser resolution models like the 13 km RAP (also, WRF-based) is that the HRRR doesn't parameterize convection. That means it runs at a high enough resolution that it can directly simulate phenomena like thunderstorms.

    The resolution of radar data in the US is about 500 m, and has been for roughly the past decade. The best weather satellite right now is GOES-16, with a resolution of 500 m-2 km, depending on the type of product. That's a huge difference from what's described in the summary. Forecasts that rely on extrapolating radar and satellite data might be accurate for 30 minutes or perhaps even an hour or two. Beyond that, numerical models are going to produce better forecasts.

    The radar and satellite data, along with a lot of other data sources, are assimilated into models like the RAP and HRRR. Assimilation basically means updating the state of the 3D domain based on the new observations. Data assimilation of conventional observations like winds, temperature, pressure, and humidity generally produces good results. However, assimilating radar and satellite data isn't as simple.

    Reflectivity and radial velocity are generally assimilated from radar data. Radial velocity is generally assimilated in areas where there isn't precipitation, and is a lot like assimilating wind data. Reflectivity is the amount of power that's scattered back to the radar, and is generally larger if there's heavier precipitation. It's not nearly so simple to assimilate reflectivity because you also need to update variables like temperature, wind, humidity, and pressure in the 3D domain, even though the radar isn't directly measuring them. Those variables are going to be quite a bit different inside a thunderstorm than they are outside it. If you want to update the position and strength of thunderstorms in a model, you need to update quite a few variables in the model that you probably aren't measuring at all in those areas. If you want accurate forecasts of thunderstorms, you need to update the model based on radar reflectivity data.

    There are techniques like the Ensemble Kalman Filter (EnKF) that update unobserved variables based on measurements of variables that are observed. However, even with the best EnKF techniques at present, assimilating reflectivity data often doesn't really improve the forecast beyond an hour or two. Perhaps more observations and better techniques will im

  6. A bit too optimistic goal by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1
    From the linked article:

    resolution of around 4 km. But after 40 minutes or so, any forecasting ability is lost, say Bianchi and co. And with a greater resolution of around 1 km, the forecasting ability drops to less than 15 minutes.

    One way to improve these forecasts is to correlate the radar images with rainfall measurements on the ground.

    When this assumption is correct, Bianchi and co say, their nowcasts produce accurate forecasts more than 20 minutes into the future at a scale of as little as 500 meters. That’s impressive.

    But the assumption of Lagrangian persistence isn’t always true. Sometimes the atmosphere undergoes unexpected changes—sudden heating events that cause convection cells, for example. And when this happens, the accuracy of the forecasts drops dramatically. “In the case of convective events, the performance of the nowcast algorithm decreases rapidly after 15 min

    Improving to 6 hours as described in the summary and in the article seems pretty unlikely. At least, in scientific/practical terms and by taking as reference what appears to be the current state of the art as defined by the quotes above. For the marketer/MBA-holder/you-do-the-science-&-I-do-the-thinking-who-will-probably-not-get-this-joke considering that saying 6 hours was the best way to improve their chances to get the next round of funding, it is certainly possible (because what is the difference between 15 mins. and 6 hours? It is just a matter of time! Scale it up! Move to quantum mode! Put more scientific thingies in!). LOL.

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  7. What is Winter Sunlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.

  8. The question is before you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is Winter Sunlight?

    Is there a Winter Moonlight?

  9. There's a reason for that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Weather forecasting is impressively accurate given how changeable and chaotic Earth's climate can be."

    There's a reason for that. It's because WEATHER AND CLIMATE ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

    Just because your models predict weather well does not mean they can predict climate well, and indeed not a single climate model can account for the historical record without throwing out or even falsifying MASSIVE amounts of data.

    This whole climate fraud needs to stop.

  10. pretty impressive with severe weather by trybywrench · · Score: 1

    I've been impressed with the amount of information you get during a Tornado, especially the big ones. Of course, you have spotters on the ground and air along with a very clear radar signature ( when there is a debris ball involved ). They can forecast down to the city/block level at almost sub-minute resolution. Go and watch youtube videos of the Moore OK tornado and the coordination between everyone involved ( spotters, meteorologists, TV/Radio ) was pretty impressive given the circumstances.

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  11. Characteristics of winter sunlight by tepples · · Score: 1

    Winter sunlight is incident sunlight during meteorological winter (December 1 through February 28 or 29, as meteorological seasons lead solstices and equinoxes by 3 weeks). Some key characteristics of winter sunlight:

    1. Noontime angle of incidence is farthest from overhead.
    2. Daily duration of sunlight is shortest.
    3. Snow albedo: Accumulated snow reflects much of the light rather than allowing the ground to absorb it.

    1. Re:Characteristics of winter sunlight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Winter Sunlight does not require snow.

      As to the other parameters, #1 has described sunrise/sunset.
      #2 has simply described a shorter day; this is not a changed quality of the light.

      What is Winter Sunlight?

    2. Re:Characteristics of winter sunlight by tepples · · Score: 1

      #1 has described sunrise/sunset.

      The sun doesn't rise as high during winter as it does during summer.

      What is Winter Sunlight?

      To put it as short as I can: sunlight during winter, characterized by a lower sun, a shorter day, and often snow.

  12. Good for bikes by tepples · · Score: 1

    I don't subscribe to MIT Technology Review. But more accurate hourly forecasts are useful to pedestrians and cyclists, as they can make a trip earlier or later to avoid hazardous weather.

  13. General pattern for ./ stories lately by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Headline: This thing is true now

    Body: People have some ideas and are hoping to eventually get to where this thing is true

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    1. Re:General pattern for ./ stories lately by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

      mod parent up

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  14. Yep. It's just averages at 10 days. Why not 11 by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Indeed. That's why they don't even bother with 11 days or 12 days. By the time you get 10 days out, you're mostly looking at the average for this time of year. Current conditions, existing weather patterns, don't tell you much about 10 days from now.

    Seven days out you can say "there is a higher than average chance of rain" or "it may be warmer than normal".

  15. 40 years late by slickwillie · · Score: 1

    There was a company in Chico, CA (the area that is burning right now) that was doing this in 1980. They could even send weather maps to Apple ][e computers over a 300 baud modem. Oddly enough the name of the company was "Nowcasting".

  16. Weather radar works pretty good on its own. by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    I have a link to the local radar feed on my phone. It shows a three hour color coded animation with updates every ten minutes. I can guess with excellent accuracy how long till a storm system will hit where I am, you can usually see it coming hours away, how hard it is raining or snowing, if there is hail or it is likely, how long it will take to pass over, or if it is going to be a long term thing, etc. It is not 100 percent, sometimes a storm will veer off or break up at the last minute, occasionally they will form seemingly out of nowhere, but I would say I can tell with about 90 percent accuracy the state of precipitation where I am an hour or two from now. That combined with the daily forecast for temperature and wind is all I need to feel pretty comfortable when I am out biking, boating, golfing, etc.

    1. Re: Weather radar works pretty good on its own. by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Depending upon where you live, you can now possibly do *far* better than every 10 minutes. TDWR has had 1-minute reflectivity updates for tilt 1 from most/all sites during storm events for a couple of years, now, and 2-minute updates for other tilts.

      Likewise, wsr88d radar now grabs an extra scan of the 0.5-degree tilt halfway through the scan (Google: "SAILS"). One thing I really don't understand, though... since the 0.5-degree sweep is the one most useful for tornado tracking, but (pre-SAILS) was ALSO the most "stale" data of any volume scan, why not just reverse the scan order, and do volume scans "top-down" instead of "bottom-up" (so the lowest tilt would have the freshest data of all)?

      Likewise, since phased-array radar is still too expensive to use on large scale, why not go with a hybrid approach... keep the rotating antenna, but instead of a single parabolic antenna, make a smaller-scale phased array that does all the tilts from top to bottom simultaneously & rotates to do all the sweeps at once?

  17. You lost track becayse you never tracked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a challenge for you armchair scientists: Make a weather prediction every day, just before the news channel produces their forecast. Write it down. Write the official forecast down, then check up who is right how often.

  18. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It makes up what it wants the summary to say, then claims what they made up is wrong, but blames the summary writer for it.

    Why should that be modded up?

  19. Pulling your assumptions out your arse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You presume that because that is what you WANT to be true. It isn't. Instead of assuming, go fucking test. It requires work and ill show you you are wrong, neither of which you want to accept so will not put the effort in to.

    1. Re:Pulling your assumptions out your arse. by nagora · · Score: 1

      You presume that because that is what you WANT to be true. It isn't. Instead of assuming, go fucking test. It requires work and ill show you you are wrong, neither of which you want to accept so will not put the effort in to.

      I think you've posted to the wrong thread. This is an argument; you probably wanted "abuse".

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  20. Nope, sorry. Try again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I apologise you did not find anything better to try. Give it another go. Maybe the neurons will spark next time.