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Mark Zuckerberg Reportedly Ordered All Facebook Executives To Use Android Phones After Tim Cook Criticized Facebook (theverge.com)
A new report from the New York Times sheds some light on what happened inside Facebook last year as the company was fighting numerous scandals, including Russian interference and the Cambridge Analytica scandal in March. In addition to reportedly hiring a public relations firm to write dozens of articles critical of rivals Google and Apple, the social media company ordered Facebook executives to use Android phones, after Apple CEO Tim Cook criticized the company in an MSNBC interview for being a service that traffics "in your personal life." According to the report, the order came from Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg. The Verge reports: In those comments made back in March, Cook dismissed a question asking him what he would do if he were in Zuckerberg's shoes dealing with the fallout from the Cambridge Analytica scandal by saying, "I wouldn't be in this situation." Zuckerberg soon after retorted in an interview with Recode that he found Cook's comments to be "extremely glib," and that "I think it's important that we don't all get Stockholm syndrome and let the companies that work hard to charge you more convince you that they actually care more about you. Because that sounds ridiculous to me." While it's not clear how Cook's aggressive comments directly provoked Zuckerberg into issuing his Android-only order, it's still a rational decision to make Americans use Android. Android is the dominant operating system in many regions outside of the U.S., including South America, Europe, Russia, South Asia, and parts of the Middle East.
That wouldn't be petty at all...
Granted, I could see myself doing that, too ;).
Which means Facebook employees have to use the Facebook App for Android, right? Maybe this will motivate them to fix it.
it's still a rational decision to make Americans use Android. Android is the dominant operating system in many regions outside of the U.S., including South America, Europe, Russia, South Asia, and parts of the Middle East.
Bandwagon Fallacy = 'rational decision' now?
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
Zuckerberg got one right for a change
"...it's still a rational decision to make Americans use Android. Android is the dominant operating system in many regions outside of the U.S., including South America, Europe, Russia, South Asia, and parts of the Middle East."
I'm not here to get the iNerds and 'Droid Dorks all fired up, I merely question how the hell OS dominance equates to a rational decision to make Americans use a particular smartphone OS. Smartphones have become black box devices that run apps (go ahead, ask an smartphone user to find the "operating system" on their phone), and all smartphones pretty much do the same damn thing. The OS that the consumer can hardly touch is damn near irrelevant.
And where it works outside the U.S. is becoming more and more irrelevant for Americans too. They spent all their travel money on a $1000+ fashion accessory and an unlimited everything plan. They can hardly afford to change their mind, let alone their location.
Are all CEO's big babies with OCD? It would seem so.
Bring an Android phone into Apple HQ, and see how well that works out for you!
As the privacy controls on iOS are better than Android(though the difference is a lot less than it used to be) and Facebook does not seem to like such things.
Interesting! You see if Zuckerberg has any sense he would never agree Facebook to be paid service. Even if all users pay him, say 10$ per month, but then he is not allow to collect ANY data, no ads, no nothing...say 1 billion people use it that's 10 billion per month. In 1 year you are ahead of Bezos. Same for Google.
You see, that would never happen. Because the personal data are simply priceless. Truly, utterly, absolutely priceless!!! I cannot think of anything else that compares or even comes close. Having the data makes you more powerful than the whole of the rest of the world combined with all their economies, armies and nukes. You can change the entire society in a very short timespan (that's happening right now in the West; in fact I think it is over, now follows the descent into hell). You can sway people's opinions however you like; you control the information flow (in English; soon in other languages); you control who has access to platforms; you can blackmail anyone with their data if you please (something about 5 lines written by the best man comes to mind).
You are simply the ruler of the world. When an algorithm can learn more about you than you know about yourself, discover the blind spots in your worldview, your fears, insecurities, ambitions, likes, dislikes, desires, political leanings, diets, travels, your mental and physical health, who is your family (and everything about them, of course), who are your friends, where do you work, what is your education, what do you work on (do you think that when I use sometimes Google translate for work - something I am very reluctant to do but there is no alternative - they do not store that somewhere and link it to me and the company?), where do you shop, what do you buy, how much energy you use at home and when, your exact address, what is your income, every query you ever put in a search engine, every site you ever visited, every post you ever wrote, what movies do you watch, what books do you read, what music do you listen to, how much you exercise, the drugs you use (both medicine and narcotics), how fast you drive your car...I think I can go on for quite a while...
Never before was anyone capable of collecting, handling and exploiting so much data. Now the machines are more than capable of doing this and they get faster and more sophisticated all the time.
And somehow the whole world was scammed to give away the most precious thing we have for "free" service. All the above is the reason I never joined any of this. I lost all my friends, I missed hundreds of parties, I have very small social circle (which is murder for extreme extrovert as me). But I'd rather have that than betray myself to evil. And yes, I know that Google knows everything about me and Facebook is running shadow profiles and basically I am just as screwed as you are. But at least I saw it from the very beginning and resisted and talked about it. Can't do much more...
He effectively told them to stop using BSD based computers (iOS) and start using Linux based computers (Android). I suppose it's a good thing he didn't insist they switch to a Lumia phones.
Though if you think this is going to ruffle feathers then just wait until he starts insisting on Emacs instead of Vi! ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
One wonder if Apple would use their total control over all iPhones to sneak peeks at what Facebook executives are talking about. 'Course, if they did, there's no way for anyone outside to know about it...
Mark probably did Apple a favor if only a very tiny one.
1) No such thing as bad publicity. In this case its not even bad. People HATE facebook, they don't trust facebook. There are people who have feelings like that about Apple too of course but they don't count they were never going to buy an iWhatever anyway. Mark probably will drive some anti-fb folks into the arms of Apple.
2) I have seen this stuff play out in the corporate world. His staff will have to go buy new Android phones; but its not like Apple loses anything on the phones they have already sold those users; or any of their cut on the apps those users already bought. Meanwhile Mark's anger will at some point find a new target. At which point most of those people will go back to their preferred device. They may even end up buying a new one having given their old one away to friends or family (there by bringing some new people into the apple fold) and increasing Apples sales even more.
Zuck is being short sighted and stupid here.
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Tweedledee and Tweedledum, one trafficking in addiction, the other in voyeurism. Which is worse? Please beat each other to death.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
It would be a bit embarrasing for your C-suite to flaunt devices manufacturerd by some of your biggest critics.
Facebook is hardly the only bad actor. Let's not forget Google, looking the other way while Trump/Russian shitposters swarm Youtube.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
FTFY (matter of market-share :P)
Well, Android is the dominant OS for some reasons right?
Its largely cost. Not just current device but old devices running old versions of Android are plentiful at very low prices. I can get a Samsung Galaxy S4 running Android 4.4 at Walmart for $115. According to Google 8% of Android users are running this ancient version of Android, 4.4, 18% Android 5, 21% Android 6. Pick a price point and you can find legacy hardware and legacy android matching that price. So its not necessarily that people chose Android over iPhone, for many it was Android was all they could afford.
Most likely your "friends" unfollowed you because they came to the realization that you are a Trumptard.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Those who think it is any of their business if I have an FB account aren't the kind of over-reaching meddlers in their employees personal life for whom anyone in their right mind should work.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
"He seems to have the mental age of a two-year-old. Make an irrational decision, then find some vague reason to back it up." (Fixed)
This Slashdot article, and this other one today seem to indicate a mental breakdown:
Facebook Reportedly Hired a PR Firm That Wrote Negative Articles About Rivals, Pushed George Soros Conspiracy Theory
That kind of breakdown indicates a very poor childhood, in my opinion.
Being anti-Hillary does not equal being pro-Trump. You are everything that is wrong with American politics today.
I find this overly interfering with the private lives of the employees.
Tyranny is the way of the autocrat, the national socialist, the democrat. They aren't racist just because they think non-whites are inferior; they think everyone is inferior to the chosen few Party Elite. They even mocked Obama behind closed doors, but he emulated their autocratic ways.
OBEY THEM!
What?
Am I the only one who can barely even parse the argument embedded here?
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Eventually wind up owning some ever losing sports team. Actually all the loss in corporate management is just preparation for the losses in sport franchises.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
"I think it's important that we don't all get Stockholm syndrome and let the companies that work hard to charge you more convince you that they actually care more about you. Because that sounds ridiculous to me."
I'd love to hear more about how Mark Zuckerberg is trying to charge his customers (advertisers) less.
It’s so comforting to know that a tyrannical, vindictive, petulant child who brazenly lies before congress (“shadow profiles”) is ultimately lord god over a greedy international corporate behemoth that can alter democracy and contains all user personal information what could possibly go wrong?
Find me a company that has a usable, unlockable bootloader, and doesn't want to penalize people because they desire a "#" prompt.
With root, Android is very secure, especially with a utility like xPrivacy that happily passes bogus data to asks that asks for way too much. Root also gives firewalling, ability to backup/archive apps with Titanium Backup, ability to present the phone as a CD, hard drive, or what ever you want via USB, and many other things. Hell, I have a HTC Desire phone running as a DNS cache and a NTP server, and its battery is long since gone, but it performs a network function without issue.
Without root, Android is a privacy nightmare. Yes, newer apps have switches, but it is often all or nothing, and Android permissions allow for apps to slurp a lot of data.
Until Android fixes the privacy issue, or there is a decent rootable phone, I'll stay with iOS.
That's what this article seems like.
Your ordering employees to use Android phones just shows how pathetically petty, vindictive, and authoritarian you are.
Nothing personal, but go fuck yourself.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Dear all FB employees - we need to track you more easily. I can't tell what you are thinking. Let us develop the new level of tracking daily lives by having you beta test our new listening device on Android. It is impossible to implement this on iOS.
Plus I don't like Tim Cook.
Thanks, :-D
-The Big Z.
"I think it's important that we don't all get Stockholm syndrome and let the companies that work hard to charge you more convince you that they actually care more about you. Because that sounds ridiculous to me."
Hilarious coming from the man who runs a company that does the exact same thing! The only difference is that his currency of choice is personal data and not dollars. It really shows us how disconnected from reality he really is, so much so that he doesnt see the reflection on his self in those words. Facebook is always looking for ways to collect more data from us, all the while trying to tell us that they care, yet it is clear by their operation that all they care about is the profits from advertising dollars.
There are 20K+ MacBooks at Facebook and that's not likely to change.
This.
Seriously.... I have no qualms whatsoever with employers not allowing people to check Facebook while at work (not even on their own devices, let alone using work equipment to do so), but this policy runs afoul of trying to tell employees what sort of people they are allowed to have as friends or family, because for some people, it really is a primary mode of communication.
Honestly, as another AC suggested, I'm skeptical that this "firm" even exists.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Tim Cooke is one to talk. Following his "curation" of free speech..
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/yw95kg/this-is-why-apple-ceo-tim-cook-banned-alex-jones
Zuckerberg soon after retorted in an interview with Recode that he found Cook's comments to be "extremely glib," ...
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
He should just have bought highest end android he could, and gifted them to every executive with a note saying he was looking forward to seeing them all using his gift. Then have some minions write a program that only runs on that phone model, for secure (and ironic) communication with his execs.
carrot and stick. Carrot works better.
- Tjp
I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
Sure if Facebook wants to get into the business of entirely supporting Linux laptops in their IT department. I am not aware that any major manufacturers like Dell or HP support Linux laptops. Linux servers, yes but not laptops.
Also the usage of Facebook on a laptop isn't necessarily dependent the OS but the browser. On phones, it is more tied to the phone OS.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I'm not sure how the comment comes to that conclusion. The rational decision for a company as large and as influential as Facebook is to ensure all their executives, especially the ones who travel or work in other jurisdictions are using secure devices that a resilient to hacking / trojans or other forms of espionage. Not just by state actors, but potentially their rivals in Google or Apple who... make the most popular phone platforms. Really their execs should be running handsets stripped of all Google / Apple software, or at least designed in a way to silo / protect any information they might get on their phones from other processes.
Because he was terrified of Apple's success, Ballmer famously wouldn't allow his kids to own an iPod, forcing them to use the "uncool Zune" instead.
Zuckerberg is also ridiculous, immature, narcissistic and petty.
Tim Cook's comments were the truth; too bad Suckerberg thinks we're all too stupid to realize it.
Google used to be better at updates. Speaking as a Nexus 4 and 5 owner. Google is my first choice for Android but the longevity of their support has diminished.
I'd very much like to see the so-called proof of that.
Of course, I'd like even more if you said what so-called "firm" this is that you represent, because I find your claims to be a bit dubious. Given the existence of support groups for all kinds of things on Facebook, you might even be running afoul of discriminating against a protected class if you happened to offer a job to a person who utilized such groups.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Zuck's comment a few years ago that he could "buy the country of Greece" with his new stock profits was a bit glib too.
One day that self-important man is going to realize that he is not actually in charge any more. If he decides that the monster he's created needs trimming down, or breaking apart, or any number of other things that result in a decline in user base or profitability but also are good for things like democracy, culture, or mental health, he will be dumped out to pasture. Perhaps he already has been, and the most impactful thing he can do at this point is issue petulant orders to his fellow execs to use a different phone.
Your best approach would have been to admit you completely missed the point, that you failed miserably at making your point, and move on with your life. You also assumed I am a man and then went on to use one of the most stupid words to be made up in recent history. Good luck at learning to behave like an adult!
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
You have convinced me. My big concern should be what you think of me. How could I have missed it!?
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun