I'm not familiar with the specifics, but they probably didn't have to tell google because it's not a criminal matter. If it were a criminal matter, then people should be going to jail, not so much just fined.
The problem is, google kind of pioneered the race to the bottom by offering their services for free. It's what's prompting the whole software industry to turn everything into a service rather than the previous license cost, and the only way to stand out is to offer those services for free.
Yea, I don't bitch about apple where credit is due, even microsoft still support their dead mobile operating system, but google/android, 2 years is about it.
If they supported the software for a little longer, and did a battery change, there's no other reason now why they couldn't last for about 5 years. The phones get forced into obsolescence through lack of support.
This article kind of goes into a bit more relevant spying related issues, if it's trustworthy. Bottom line is, there's rarely much evidence for any of this, but a good read nonetheless.
I did answer your questions. If your command of english is so weak as to not being able to understand that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, then I can't help you. Maybe enrol into some english classes. I'm not being critical of you if english isn't your native language.
They don't; you're delusional. Let's see what T-Mobile says about their phones.
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That's a difference barely worth mentioning. Apple and Microsoft come with plenty of bloat, and no, you can't remove it.
I think it's you who is deluded, have a look at those lists and you can clearly see most of the apps are from the manufactuer/OS and core functions of the phone. Just t-mobile apps, android has 5, WP has 1 and iOS has 0. Also regarding that list, I'm not familiar with iOS, but certainly on WP, many of those apps can be uninstalled (I think at least 24 of them) and you do get some space back. A reinstall on WP requires apps to be downloaded from the store, they're not included in the recovery partition, only the core OS apps which are not uninstallable, such as phone, messaging, web browser, etc... Regarding OnePlus, well that's a massive feature of theirs in being lightweight. It's why they sell so many phones.
You're whining about android devices as if they were all the same. How about you exercise that brain of yours and buy one which is loaded with less crap than an iPhone or a Windows Phone, rather than more?
And we've gone full circle here. Like I said in my first post (if you could comprehend it), I had this problem with my first android phone, not afterwards. When you get about the worst experience the platform has to offer, you do learn a lot about the do's and don'ts. But please note what I said;
Problem is, the community just says it's my fault because I got a carrier branded phone, because android/google is beyond criticism and can't possibly be flawed at all.
But, just how it is mostly the case, the community (this time that includes you!) just says that I'm doing it wrong, so again, it's not a flaw, it's a feature. If you want to reinstall the OS and do all that stuff, more power to you, I just want a device that works, for me, out of the box. There are some of those around, even android devices, but it really narrows down to only a couple of manufacturers, and no OnePlus is not one of them, due to undocumented spyware 'features'.
If you're not being critical of me, why would you bring this up out of the blue? If you're not accusing me of doing it, who exactly have you seen do this, and what does it have to do with my comment?
The community, as I mentioned in my last paragraph, does this all the time, so while I'm not being personal in my criticism to you specifically, what you say is consistently touted by the android/google shills around.
I understand that the bloat is annoying, but what sucks about "merely being able to disable it"? Is it just one of those pet-peeve things? If not, what's the actual difference between deleting it and disabling it, and how does it impact you?
Why should it matter how I want to use my device? If I want to delete crap, why shouldn't I be able to? If I want to reclaim space from bloatware which I know I'll never use, why can't I even remove it from the image? Next you'll say that I'm holding my phone wrong...
Don't pretend that this is an android only thing, either. I've never seen a phone which lets you arbitrarily delete included programs. My original 1990s Nokia certainly wouldn't let you do that, nor any of my subsequent flip phones or BlackBerrys. And certainly the iCrap devices won't let you delete or modify the system in any significant way. So this has always been standard across all mobile devices; the only thing that differs is how much crap is bundled onto them in the first place.
Your last point is basically the problem; android consistently gets ridiculous amounts of bloatware and crapware included in it. Why does iOS and even windows phone (when it was a thing) manage to avoid that?
Android is actually superior in one respect; being open source it is relatively easy for me to replace the entire OS on my android phone with a stripped down and customized version. I can't really do that with any of the competing choices.
AOSP is open source, while Android on all phones being sold, is not. Replacing the entire OS requires an unlocked bootloader, something which is not always available. This is google/manufacturers doing a bait and switch, but the neckbeards haven't quite caught on, because while they may proclaim these features, reality is even they don't use them, but think they're still there.
I'm not being critical of you personally, but when people sugarcoat bad aspects of android as if it were a 'feature', it really seems like it's shilling. The undeletable preinstalled bloatware is incredibly annoying. Merely being able to disable it, sucks too. Why on earth is it a feature of android that some apps can't be deleted?
When I first got an android phone, I made the mistake of getting one from a carrier, so it came with a fair bit of bloatware, and updates delayed even more than just the manufacturer. Problem is, the community just says it's my fault because I got a carrier branded phone, because android/google is beyond criticism and can't possibly be flawed at all.
They won't learn from their mistakes, because doing something like bringing back the headphone jack would mean admitting they were wrong. A prerequisite for an MBA is to never admit you are wrong. It's better to bankrupt a company than to make a reversal and in the process admit you are wrong. Reversing your position shows weak leadership, whilst bankrupting the company shows strong leadership.
Consumers are definitely being overlooked at the moment by MS. Interesting thing about the adoption of smartphones is, where MS targeted business in the past, because business drove adoption trends and ultimately made windows the PC OS standard, this time around on mobiles, it's consumers. Consumers have decided that windows phone was a dud and stuck with iOS and android and more critically, business followed the consumers. Because of that, I'm a bit surprised that MS wants to keep on sticking with business, unless it's because they've carved out a nice market segment that the other big tech companies don't want to compete in.
It's funny you mention about stealing designs. Lenovo ran a survey on doing their 25th year anniversary thinkpad, where users overwhelmingly told them they want certain features. While they did honour the 7 row keyboard of old, another one was against using their awful 16:9 displays. They just couldn't help themselves. Users preferred 16:10 or the newer 3:2 aspect ratio, but they stuck with 16:9, all in a really premium price point.
Too ignorant to even do what their customers overwhelmingly tell them!
The problem is this is a bigger chestnut to crack than it may seems. Loot boxes have crept into many games, and ultimately it is gambling, but what has been really insidious about it is that it targets children. What this OP mentions, has already happened on Counter-Strike, with certain youtubers promoting their own scam sites for in game items/skins. Just go on youtube and look up any number of unlock videos, there's heaps. People don't bother playing the game, rather they want to just try to unlock digital art work.
Valve has a lot to answer for with this, because they certainly put in a lot of effort into targeting kids with gambling. Until something happens to regulate Valve, their platform Steam, and their games, then nothing is being done about it.
Problem is, if they were to bring back the headphone jack it would be admitting that they were wrong, and in the MBA world, that's worse than death. You realise that for an MBA, admitting defeat is worse than bankrupting the company.
When the time came to replace my Lumia 920, I basically realised that a phone from 2012 had almost every hardware feature that I could want out of it (put apps and software of the phone aside). Ever since that phone, nothing new has come in which I could honestly say is a killer feature, or makes those older phones significantly obsolete, except for the old SOC and lack of RAM and more importantly, the planned obsolescence through losing software support. Aside from that, it had almost everything I could have wanted.
I still find it's the case that nothing new has come along in the last 6 years of mobiles, upgrading has been only to get newer software and support, and incremental processing and ram improvements. As far as I'm concerned, everything else has been stagnant.
I'm not sure what it's like in the USA, but here in Australia, trades are well protected with a lot of certification requirements, tradesmen need qualifications and licenses to operate in their respective fields. Doesn't stop unqualified or licensed workers, but they're quite effectively shut out, and because a lot of the time, it's in the name of safety, a lot of companies don't want to risk it.
Your bottom end tradesmen like painters or labourers, well yea, anyone can do that, but they're relatively low paying to begin with.
Yea got me there, I understand well that we don't have 'democracy' as is so often flippantly used. Best description I can find is that we have an electocracy. While the description for 'totalitarian democracy' more or less describes what we have, it still uses democracy, which infers that people have the power. We only sort of have the power to chose who lords over us, but you already know that.
If its purpose is to launch rockets, then it would make sense. I think its purpose is more along the lines of cronyism for some mates before they lose the next election and won't be able to for at least 3 years.
Without knowing a whole lot detail on the topic, being an Australian, I would hazard a guess that where there's public money, someone's mates get a good gig and get jobs where they do very little, have no appreciation of the subject, and achieve absolutely nothing, while getting a decent paying job in the process.
So the problem is, I don't think anything will change. The set up of this agency is already an endeavour in pork barrelling, so I doubt anything will come of it.
It is, we have a government which is on the nose and highly unlikely to win an upcoming election, which if I recall is going to be held in may. A few influential politicians are pushing for money to be spent in their states/electorates so that they at least win their own seats.
It would matter if they were to get some sort of punishment for it, but fact of the matter is nothing happens to them. If anything, that might be why they're so sloppy; because there are no detrimental consequences to them for doing it.
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I'm not familiar with the specifics, but they probably didn't have to tell google because it's not a criminal matter. If it were a criminal matter, then people should be going to jail, not so much just fined.
The problem is, google kind of pioneered the race to the bottom by offering their services for free. It's what's prompting the whole software industry to turn everything into a service rather than the previous license cost, and the only way to stand out is to offer those services for free.
Yea, I don't bitch about apple where credit is due, even microsoft still support their dead mobile operating system, but google/android, 2 years is about it.
If they supported the software for a little longer, and did a battery change, there's no other reason now why they couldn't last for about 5 years. The phones get forced into obsolescence through lack of support.
This article kind of goes into a bit more relevant spying related issues, if it's trustworthy. Bottom line is, there's rarely much evidence for any of this, but a good read nonetheless.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-19/5g-huawei-and-us-america-hates-competition
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-19/5g-huawei-and-us-america-hates-competition
I'll just leave that here...
I did answer your questions. If your command of english is so weak as to not being able to understand that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, then I can't help you. Maybe enrol into some english classes. I'm not being critical of you if english isn't your native language.
They don't; you're delusional. Let's see what T-Mobile says about their phones.
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That's a difference barely worth mentioning. Apple and Microsoft come with plenty of bloat, and no, you can't remove it.
I think it's you who is deluded, have a look at those lists and you can clearly see most of the apps are from the manufactuer/OS and core functions of the phone. Just t-mobile apps, android has 5, WP has 1 and iOS has 0. Also regarding that list, I'm not familiar with iOS, but certainly on WP, many of those apps can be uninstalled (I think at least 24 of them) and you do get some space back. A reinstall on WP requires apps to be downloaded from the store, they're not included in the recovery partition, only the core OS apps which are not uninstallable, such as phone, messaging, web browser, etc... Regarding OnePlus, well that's a massive feature of theirs in being lightweight. It's why they sell so many phones.
Lastly, AOSP =/= Android. Here's an excellent article from Ars Technica explaining the situation.
You're whining about android devices as if they were all the same. How about you exercise that brain of yours and buy one which is loaded with less crap than an iPhone or a Windows Phone, rather than more?
And we've gone full circle here. Like I said in my first post (if you could comprehend it), I had this problem with my first android phone, not afterwards. When you get about the worst experience the platform has to offer, you do learn a lot about the do's and don'ts. But please note what I said;
Problem is, the community just says it's my fault because I got a carrier branded phone, because android/google is beyond criticism and can't possibly be flawed at all.
But, just how it is mostly the case, the community (this time that includes you!) just says that I'm doing it wrong, so again, it's not a flaw, it's a feature. If you want to reinstall the OS and do all that stuff, more power to you, I just want a device that works, for me, out of the box. There are some of those around, even android devices, but it really narrows down to only a couple of manufacturers, and no OnePlus is not one of them, due to undocumented spyware 'features'.
If you're not being critical of me, why would you bring this up out of the blue? If you're not accusing me of doing it, who exactly have you seen do this, and what does it have to do with my comment?
The community, as I mentioned in my last paragraph, does this all the time, so while I'm not being personal in my criticism to you specifically, what you say is consistently touted by the android/google shills around.
I understand that the bloat is annoying, but what sucks about "merely being able to disable it"? Is it just one of those pet-peeve things? If not, what's the actual difference between deleting it and disabling it, and how does it impact you?
Why should it matter how I want to use my device? If I want to delete crap, why shouldn't I be able to? If I want to reclaim space from bloatware which I know I'll never use, why can't I even remove it from the image? Next you'll say that I'm holding my phone wrong...
Don't pretend that this is an android only thing, either. I've never seen a phone which lets you arbitrarily delete included programs. My original 1990s Nokia certainly wouldn't let you do that, nor any of my subsequent flip phones or BlackBerrys. And certainly the iCrap devices won't let you delete or modify the system in any significant way. So this has always been standard across all mobile devices; the only thing that differs is how much crap is bundled onto them in the first place.
Your last point is basically the problem; android consistently gets ridiculous amounts of bloatware and crapware included in it. Why does iOS and even windows phone (when it was a thing) manage to avoid that?
Android is actually superior in one respect; being open source it is relatively easy for me to replace the entire OS on my android phone with a stripped down and customized version. I can't really do that with any of the competing choices.
AOSP is open source, while Android on all phones being sold, is not. Replacing the entire OS requires an unlocked bootloader, something which is not always available. This is google/manufacturers doing a bait and switch, but the neckbeards haven't quite caught on, because while they may proclaim these features, reality is even they don't use them, but think they're still there.
I'm not being critical of you personally, but when people sugarcoat bad aspects of android as if it were a 'feature', it really seems like it's shilling. The undeletable preinstalled bloatware is incredibly annoying. Merely being able to disable it, sucks too. Why on earth is it a feature of android that some apps can't be deleted?
When I first got an android phone, I made the mistake of getting one from a carrier, so it came with a fair bit of bloatware, and updates delayed even more than just the manufacturer. Problem is, the community just says it's my fault because I got a carrier branded phone, because android/google is beyond criticism and can't possibly be flawed at all.
All of those things are examples that got phased out, but not brought back in.
They won't learn from their mistakes, because doing something like bringing back the headphone jack would mean admitting they were wrong. A prerequisite for an MBA is to never admit you are wrong. It's better to bankrupt a company than to make a reversal and in the process admit you are wrong. Reversing your position shows weak leadership, whilst bankrupting the company shows strong leadership.
Consumers are definitely being overlooked at the moment by MS. Interesting thing about the adoption of smartphones is, where MS targeted business in the past, because business drove adoption trends and ultimately made windows the PC OS standard, this time around on mobiles, it's consumers. Consumers have decided that windows phone was a dud and stuck with iOS and android and more critically, business followed the consumers. Because of that, I'm a bit surprised that MS wants to keep on sticking with business, unless it's because they've carved out a nice market segment that the other big tech companies don't want to compete in.
It's funny you mention about stealing designs. Lenovo ran a survey on doing their 25th year anniversary thinkpad, where users overwhelmingly told them they want certain features. While they did honour the 7 row keyboard of old, another one was against using their awful 16:9 displays. They just couldn't help themselves. Users preferred 16:10 or the newer 3:2 aspect ratio, but they stuck with 16:9, all in a really premium price point.
Too ignorant to even do what their customers overwhelmingly tell them!
I suppose you're right, next headline is apple invents the headphone jack...
The problem is this is a bigger chestnut to crack than it may seems. Loot boxes have crept into many games, and ultimately it is gambling, but what has been really insidious about it is that it targets children. What this OP mentions, has already happened on Counter-Strike, with certain youtubers promoting their own scam sites for in game items/skins. Just go on youtube and look up any number of unlock videos, there's heaps. People don't bother playing the game, rather they want to just try to unlock digital art work.
Valve has a lot to answer for with this, because they certainly put in a lot of effort into targeting kids with gambling. Until something happens to regulate Valve, their platform Steam, and their games, then nothing is being done about it.
Problem is, if they were to bring back the headphone jack it would be admitting that they were wrong, and in the MBA world, that's worse than death. You realise that for an MBA, admitting defeat is worse than bankrupting the company.
When the time came to replace my Lumia 920, I basically realised that a phone from 2012 had almost every hardware feature that I could want out of it (put apps and software of the phone aside). Ever since that phone, nothing new has come in which I could honestly say is a killer feature, or makes those older phones significantly obsolete, except for the old SOC and lack of RAM and more importantly, the planned obsolescence through losing software support. Aside from that, it had almost everything I could have wanted.
I still find it's the case that nothing new has come along in the last 6 years of mobiles, upgrading has been only to get newer software and support, and incremental processing and ram improvements. As far as I'm concerned, everything else has been stagnant.
I'm not sure what it's like in the USA, but here in Australia, trades are well protected with a lot of certification requirements, tradesmen need qualifications and licenses to operate in their respective fields. Doesn't stop unqualified or licensed workers, but they're quite effectively shut out, and because a lot of the time, it's in the name of safety, a lot of companies don't want to risk it.
Your bottom end tradesmen like painters or labourers, well yea, anyone can do that, but they're relatively low paying to begin with.
Yea got me there, I understand well that we don't have 'democracy' as is so often flippantly used. Best description I can find is that we have an electocracy. While the description for 'totalitarian democracy' more or less describes what we have, it still uses democracy, which infers that people have the power. We only sort of have the power to chose who lords over us, but you already know that.
If its purpose is to launch rockets, then it would make sense. I think its purpose is more along the lines of cronyism for some mates before they lose the next election and won't be able to for at least 3 years.
Without knowing a whole lot detail on the topic, being an Australian, I would hazard a guess that where there's public money, someone's mates get a good gig and get jobs where they do very little, have no appreciation of the subject, and achieve absolutely nothing, while getting a decent paying job in the process.
So the problem is, I don't think anything will change. The set up of this agency is already an endeavour in pork barrelling, so I doubt anything will come of it.
It is, we have a government which is on the nose and highly unlikely to win an upcoming election, which if I recall is going to be held in may. A few influential politicians are pushing for money to be spent in their states/electorates so that they at least win their own seats.
Only to have an even bigger wet noodle as a replacement, in Bill Shorten...
I'm starting to think that if China were to invade Australia and end democracy, they'd be doing us a favour...
Didn't intel announce that they were giving up on atom?
It would matter if they were to get some sort of punishment for it, but fact of the matter is nothing happens to them. If anything, that might be why they're so sloppy; because there are no detrimental consequences to them for doing it.