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Microsoft Store Starts Accepting Windows 10 on ARM Apps (venturebeat.com)

Posted by msmash on from the opening-up dept.

Microsoft announced Friday that it is opening up its online apps store to 64-bit ARM app submissions from developers, further cementing its commitment to make Windows 10 on ARM a viable platform. From a report: Also, with the release of Visual Studio 2017 version 15.9 this week, developers can now create ARM64 apps using officially supported SDK and tools. Microsoft announced Windows 10 on ARM in December 2017 with three big feature promises: The screen turns on "instantly," unlike existing PCs; LTE is built right in; and the battery can last for days. But the unveiling came with a big caveat. These Always Connected PCs, as Microsoft and Qualcomm call them, were not coming anytime soon. [...] Microsoft wants to help address the performance problems by getting developers to rebuild apps for the platform. Developers can now use Visual Studio 15.9 to recompile UWP and C++ Win32 apps to run natively on Windows 10 on ARM devices.

35 comments

  1. Will they accept Firefox and LibreOffice? by xack · · Score: 1

    Or is WinARM S mode in disguise?

    1. Re:Will they accept Firefox and LibreOffice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      James Kelly from Microsoft here. Use of unauthorized software like Firefox and LibreOffice is considered unauthorized tinkering, and we will revoke your Windows 10 license and delete all of your data. Only use approved apps from the Windows Store, such as Edge and Office 365!

    2. Re:Will they accept Firefox and LibreOffice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jim Kelly here, White House, did you know that little punk Lewendowski stole my bagel right out of the fridge? It's all I could do not to kill him right there. Fucking morons, this can't last folks.

    3. Re:Will they accept Firefox and LibreOffice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will they accept Firefox and LibreOffice?

      Firefox no (no browsers allowed on the app store, regardless of processor architecture), LibreOffice yes (if they'd actually submit it, which they've never done for x86/x64, so I wouldn't expect it for ARM64). Windows for ARM64 doesn't require you to use the app store anyways, you can get Firefox and LibreOffice from their respective websites, just as you would on x86/x64.

      Or is WinARM S mode in disguise?

      No. 'S' mode is an option on ARM, just as it is from x86/x64.

      So much FUD in these comments, very little fact.

  2. The floodgates opened... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    The floodgates opened... and out came a little queef.

    1. Re:The floodgates opened... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmm, vaginal flatulence

    2. Re: The floodgates opened... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      As long as it doesn't smell like Vegemite, youre all good.

    3. Re: The floodgates opened... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If it tasted like vegemite I'd have some every morning

  3. And the first step by eclectro · · Score: 1

    Is always "embrace."

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    1. Re:And the first step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then they get you on tape watching whores piss on a bed, and it begins.

  4. I still don't get the point of .NET by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    .NET is nearly 20 years old now. And developers still need to recompile their code (and sometimes write different set of code) for the different platforms, for 32bit, 64bit different CPU's such as ARM. .NET is still the performance of Java, with the platform independence of writing and compiling in C/C++.
    OK, I am being a little exaggerated. .NET runs a tad faster then Java, and the executable is a bit more more portable then a system level compile.

    But still, In this day and age, ARM apps should be the same as Intel Apps if coded in pure .NET and the migration to 64bit OS should had been much more smoother then it was.

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    1. Re: I still don't get the point of .NET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dot net is usually used in enterprise systems where the capability map is unbalanced favoring scale. As with all systems, one chooses based on best fit and also on best available for whatever it is you are trying to accomplish. Every framework has different uses and purposes. Many IT ships use multiple frameworks at the same time.

    2. Re:I still don't get the point of .NET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you mean the centralized login system or that hopeless bunch of libraries and type abstractions?

      As much as I hated the .net login system the current .net is worse...

    3. Re:I still don't get the point of .NET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      current? I used Windows 98 late, so I had it on Windows 98 for something.

    4. Re:I still don't get the point of .NET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .NET apps are portable, with a recompile, if you use .NET Core. At least that is my understanding.

      However .NET Core is relatively new and most .NET apps don't use it, at least not yet. And it's likely to be a cold day in hell before legacy enterprise .NET stuff is rewritten for .NET Core.

    5. Re: I still don't get the point of .NET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are... Provided. Net Core

    6. Re:I still don't get the point of .NET by mcl630 · · Score: 1

      .NET is nearly 20 years old now. And developers still need to recompile their code (and sometimes write different set of code) for the different platforms, for 32bit, 64bit different CPU's such as ARM.

      Not if they compiled their code for "AnyCPU" in the first place. I've never needed a different set of code for 32bit versus 64bit with .NET, and I can't think of a case where it would be required if you're talking about pure .NET code.

  5. For various definitions of fixed by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Microsoft announced Friday that it is opening up its online apps store to 64-bit ARM app submissions from developers, further cementing its commitment to take a cut of every app sale on Windows just like on phones.

    FTFY

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    1. Re:For various definitions of fixed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And as usual, does not mean 'repair' or 'improve'. Might be a nice touch if they made the 'Store' a tad more reliable instead. Have three Win10 boxes and Store functionality comes and goes. Oh, the storefront is fine -- just when one tries to actually get an application that one runs into problems. Volatility of user signon is one. Failures in application downloads are the usual -- either sit there 'pending' or start downloading and die. Pathetic considering how long this has been going on.

    2. Re:For various definitions of fixed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to use the app store.

  6. if i wanna run a slow af windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'd just buy a 200 dollar atom-based piece of shit from walmart. don't need arm processor for that.

    arm is NOT desktop viable... yet**. and you know sure as fuck that intel will always keep something priced comparably or cheaper that's faster *and* genuine x86/x64 so there'd be no reason, *ever*, to use arm except on battery capacity limited handheld or smaller devices.. and history has shown, repeatedly, that nobody wants to run windows on phones.. and nobody is gonna wanna do that on a fucking wearable, either....

    tl:dr; windows on arm is a total fucking waste of time and effort.

    (**new ipad pro performance is dreamy for the form factor.. but that's apple and ios.. and locked down af)

    1. Re:if i wanna run a slow af windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the ARMs are higher end, $500 ish, 8GB RAM and the CPU is certainly enough. It's exclusively using the Snapdragon CPU models for flagship smartphones. Windows 10 S can be upgraded to Pro (this is the only time where you don't need to put quote around the word "upgraded"). Then it'll be on Snapdragon 1000 which is more like an iPad or PC CPU.
      So this'll be fanless, IPS display, LTE/4G/5G, and a laptop. What do I have have me : dads, aunts, students who mostly only use and need the browser, explorer.exe, maybe Word (depends on user), the Adobe PDF Reader (it sucks ball, but that's what they installed).

      Shouldn't be too hard to get Firefox on Windows 10 Pro ARM and so on, but that's some work and so I can understand project maintainers etc. wouldn't be happy to add another build target. That's what I don't like mostly.
      The other big problem is the hardware is locked down with UEFI Secure Boot, but it could be better than the Apple T2 chip, if Microsoft lets signed linux distros run without hurdles. I can agree this sucks, this is shit, don't buy this if you want to avoid this. (or pick your poison : Chromebook x86 or ARM Windows?). Then it's a matter of linux support. I will be curious about that.

      This might as well fail because x86 PC are cheap and plentiful, but it could be quite big too. Like nerds thought the iPhone and the Nintendo Switch would fail.
      Things are much simpler than your worries about compiler switch options, libraries or benchmarks. People want two things, a laptop and Internet.

      Again, it's not really "ARM laptops", it's Snapdragon laptops, that is who Microsoft dealt with for now...

      x86 just has to do the same on 10nm for Intel and 7nm for AMD, underclock their shit, bundle a 5G modem, use a lower power screen, and so on. But the Snapdragon smartphone CPUs are attacking their shit like Core-M or Atom from below (AMD doesn't even have anything at all yet, I expect a dual core Zen 2 with single channel memory but haven't heard of it for years)

  7. nour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  8. Re:In Other Commercial News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do Americans buy pizza slices? When I want a pizza I buy a pizza.

  9. Let the Confusion Begin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So be it.

  10. Microsoft needs to ditch Qualcomm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it difficult to take windows on Arm seriously because Microsoft is not taking their platform seriously.

    ALL of Microsoft's efforts on arm platforms revolve around a single vendor. Phone, tablet, laptop all explicitly and exclusively run on qualcomm SoCs. I understand they have probably done this for convenience but it's a strong signal that they're not seriously investing money in the platform to bring lots of vendors in to build a robust ecosystem for win-on-arm.

    Considering that Microsoft's previous arm based efforts (Tablets, phones) have been complete dismal failures, perhaps the platform has something to do with it.

    Qualcomm is NOT a nice vendor to work with. They play dirty, tell you what you can and cannot build, and if you don't promise to integrate other Qualcomm chips in to devices you make you might find that a critical part you need get 'shipping delays'.

    Most vendors are probably looking at Microsoft's windows-on-arm product and are deciding that dealing with Qualcomm is not worth the pain in what is going to be a razor-thin-margin consumer product anyway.

  11. Linux by stooo · · Score: 1

    Just use the mighty penguin :=)

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    1. Re:Linux by tepples · · Score: 1

      Provided that "the mighty penguin" 1. is even allowed to boot and 2. has drivers for the ARM device's hardware.

  12. can't embrace. by stooo · · Score: 1

    Problem is, they are limited to their too small arm length, and they can't embrace.
    What'S next ?
    Linux.

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  13. Zach Patterson / ZIP "Greatest Hits" (lol, not) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I'm a much better programmer than APK" - by Anonymous Coward ZIP on Monday October 08, 2018 @11:27PM (#57449082)

    BIG TALK - ZIP has no programs to show as proof.

    I do https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

    (From registered /.ers liking/using/praising my work + 100k users worldwide)

    "ZIP" (Zach Patterson) tried to take credit for what I solved before him https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    He says he codes? He can't EVEN READ!

    I show 2 ways to do it YOURSELF https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... - he can't.

    Delphi/FreePascal/ObjectPascal HAS no null-term'd string bufferoverflows https://developers.slashdot.or... - C does, C++ can UNLESS you do what I said 1st.

    He likes CODE SIGNING (it's been STOLEN & ABUSED) https://www.helpnetsecurity.co...

    MY METHOD CAN'T BE (upmodded +2 INTERESTING in CODING FOR DEFCON) https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

    ZIP says he has no /. acct "I don't have an account so I don't have mod points" https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

    Yet ZIP says he downmods me (IMPOSSIBLE w/ no /. acct.): "I down-modded a few of your post" - by Anonymous Coward "ZIP" on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:31AM (#57461058)

    APK

    P.S.=> KEEP IMPERSONATING ME like https://science.slashdot.org/c... (I'd never say that OR bitch to do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-wells" like ZIP OR c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com... (he 1st mocked me & impersonated me TWISTING /.ers words & after I FAIRLY challenged him to show HE DID BETTER & that his response (weak))!

    All EXPOSING your BLOWHARD incompetence... apk

  14. WINE for RPi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how long before we have WINE on the Raspberry Pi?

  15. Me so shocked! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    You mean Microsoft is implementing pay-as-you go for their OS and support apps?

    My goodness, who could have seen that coming?

    Seriously, though- this is the holy grail of their whole future as a corporation- renting Windows as a monthly pay-as-you-go service.

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  16. Re: Zach Patterson / ZIP "Greatest Hits" (lol, not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shut the fuck up, you basement-dwelling, code-stealing, bed-wetting dickhead.