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Ivanka Trump Used Personal Account For Emails About Government Business (washingtonpost.com)

The Washington Post is reporting that Ivanka Trump used a personal email account to send hundreds of emails last year to White House aids, Cabinet officials and her assistants. Many of the emails were "in violation of federal records rules," the report says. Ivanka's practices are reminiscent of the personal email account Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state. From the report: White House ethics officials learned of Trump's repeated use of personal email when reviewing emails gathered last fall by five Cabinet agencies to respond to a public records lawsuit. That review revealed that throughout much of 2017, she often discussed or relayed official White House business using a private email account with a domain that she shares with her husband, Jared Kushner. Some aides were startled by the volume of Ivanka Trump's personal emails -- and taken aback by her response when questioned about the practice. Trump said she was not familiar with some details of the rules, according to people with knowledge of her reaction. A spokesperson for Ivanka Trump's attorney and ethics counsel, Abbe Lowell, "acknowledged that the president's daughter occasionally used her private email before she was briefed on the rules, but he said none of her messages contained classified information," reports Washington Post.

"While transitioning into government, after she was given an official account but until the White House provided her the same guidance they had given others who started before she did, Ms. Trump sometimes used her personal account, almost always for logistics and scheduling concerning her family," he said in a statement. He went on to say that her email use was different than that of Clinton. "Ms. Trump did not create a private server in her house or office, no classified information was ever included, the account was never transferred at Trump Organization, and no emails were ever deleted," Mirijanian said.

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  1. Re:let the apologists start jumping through hoops by jeff4747 · · Score: 5, Informative

    False equivalence. The president's daughter sending emails with a personal account when she doesn't have any official position is not the same.

    Senior Adviser to the President is an official position.

  2. Re:I guess everyone forgot - by jeff4747 · · Score: 5, Informative

    She is a CIVILIAN. And her participation in the presidency is "Voluntary"

    The Secretary of State is a civilian. And also a voluntary position.

    Ivanka Trump is a Senior Adviser to the President, which is an official government position. Complete with all of us sending her a paycheck.

  3. Re: I guess everyone forgot - by jeff4747 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can resign from your position of "Senior Advisor to the President", which is an actual job in the White House.

  4. Re: I guess everyone forgot - by jeff4747 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except she has that job. She's currently receiving a paycheck for it, which she signs over to the Treasury.

  5. "I'm the first daughter" - ivanka in a nutshell by beckett · · Score: 4, Informative
    From Bob Woodward's book "Fear: Trump in the White House"

    During a meeting in Priebus’s corner office Bannon and Ivanka got into an altercation.

    “You’re a goddamn staffer!” Bannon finally screamed at Ivanka. “You’re nothing but a fucking staffer!” She had to work through the chief of staff like everyone else, he said. There needed to be some order.

    “You walk around this place and act like you’re in charge, and you’re not. You’re on staff!”

    “I’m not a staffer!” she shouted. “I’ll never be a staffer. I’m the first daughter”—she really used the title—“and I’m never going to be a staffer!”

  6. Re: let the apologists start jumping through hoops by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's where the lesser of two evils doctrine in US elections got reiterated to the American public.

    One solution is ranked choice voting, which was used in Maine on Nov 6th. A few voters were confused, and counting the ballots was slow, but it is clearly an improvement over plurality voting. Hopefully it will catch on nationally.

    Another improvement is the nonpartisan primaries used in California state (but not federal) elections. Only the top two proceed to the general election, regardless of party. So in some liberal districts the general election is blue-on-blue. This system tends to encourage moderates over wing-nuts, and California is slowly becoming less dysfunctional.

  7. Re:LOL by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's really not.

    The data suggests otherwise.

    https://www.newsweek.com/donal...

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  8. Re: I guess everyone forgot - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    About her use of e-mail:

    After advising her father in an unofficial capacity for the first two months of his administration, she was appointed Advisor to the President, a government employee, on March 29, 2017. She takes no salary.[3] Prior to becoming a federal employee, she used a personal email for government work.

    In other words, her e-mails were not an issue because she was not yet a Federal employee. But let's go ahead and consider that equivalent to the Secretary of State running a private server in her bathroom, and passing thousands of classified and Top Secret e-mails through it. By all means, show your hypocrisy!

  9. Re: I guess everyone forgot - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    From Newsweek:

    After advising her father in an unofficial capacity for the first two months of his administration, she was appointed Advisor to the President, a government employee, on March 29, 2017. She takes no salary.[3] Prior to becoming a federal employee, she used a personal email for government work.

    She did this BEFORE being a Government employee. In other words - it isn't an issue. Or can we toss you in prison because you may have e-mailed a Government official sometime? Even if you weren't a Government employee?

  10. Re:Classified? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    For Hillary, yes. For Ivanka, according to that "right wing" source Newsweek, reports:

    In a statement to Newsweek, a White House spokesperson pointed out that Trump was not a federal employee at the time she sent the February 28 email. When she became a federal employee in March, “she made clear that one of her reasons for doing so was to ensure that she would have access to government-issued communications devices and receive an official email account to protect government records,” the spokesperson said. The spokesperson added that prior to her obtaining an official account, Trump’s emailing other official accounts “ensured the records were preserved and available under the Federal Records Act.” Trump did not have an official email account as a first daughter at the time, according to the spokesperson.

    What few e-mails were sent, were sent BEFORE she was a Government employee and required to use Government e-mail servers. She requested to become a Federal employee so she could use Federal e-mail systems. There is NO claim she used her personal e-mail AFTER she became a Government employee. This is a nothingburger created by Hillary's supporters to try to justify her brazen breaking of the LAW regarding e-mail and security.

  11. Re:Server? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Timing is everything. The e-mails in question occurred before she was a Federal employee. She literally could not use Federal e-mail until she became a Federal employee. NO ONE is saying she used her personal e-mail AFTER she became a Federal employee.

    I guess you need to turn yourself in if you've ever e-mailed a Federal employee or Congressperson, because who knows - one day you may end up working for the Federal Government and then you will have used your personal e-mail for official business!

  12. Re: let the apologists start jumping through hoops by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2, Informative

    One solution is ranked choice voting, which was used in Maine on Nov 6th. A few voters were confused, and counting the ballots was slow, but it is clearly an improvement over plurality voting. Hopefully it will catch on nationally.

    This. ShanghaiBill, I rarely agree with what you say. But you're right on this one. Arrow's Impossibility Theorm (linked in the Wikipedia article you provided) states that no election system is perfect. But runoffs (or its simpler alternative, ranked voting) are the best of all the imperfect solutions.

    Another improvement is the nonpartisan primaries used in California state (but not federal) elections. Only the top two proceed to the general election, regardless of party. So in some liberal districts the general election is blue-on-blue. This system tends to encourage moderates over wing-nuts, and California is slowly becoming less dysfunctional.

    Hm. Yes, better ... but not as good as runoff/ranked voting IMHO. It encourages multi-party participation.

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  13. Re: BeauHD should commit suicide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    And about her use of e-mail?

    Prior to becoming a federal employee, she used a personal email for government work.[87]

    Emphasis added. Not an issue. She wasn't a Federal employee when she used it - she literally had no way of using Federal e-mail account.

  14. Re: Lock her up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Own server at home.....nope.

    US gov Confidential emails....nope.

    US gov Secretary of State....nope.

    Erased emails....nope.

    Try again.....

  15. Re:let the apologists start jumping through hoops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Then, there is voter suppression going on in multiple states.

    Are you retarded? I ask this question with the utmost sincerity. The only supression is coming from the same party that gets it's ass handed to it every election, or at least until a metric fuck-ton of absentee ballots comes in that miraculously lean in favor of the losing party by 95%.

    And as for intimidation, here's a prime example from a few years ago;
    https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/05/politics/voter-intimidation-video/index.html

    The most hilarious part? The CNN take;
    "Here's what really happened. The police eventually arrived and asked the new black panther party member holding the might stick to leave."

    I don't know about you, but somehow I disagree with CNNs assessment that brandishing a weapon at the polls is not "voter intimidation"...............

  16. Re:let the apologists start jumping through hoops by p4nther2004 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Daughter of the President....

    Why does the "Daughter of the President" have an office in the White House.

    Does anyone else remember Chelsea having an office in the White House? How about Sasha or Malia Ann?

  17. Re:I guess everyone forgot - by Uberbah · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ivanka Trump is a Senior Adviser to the President,

    Which happened after her emails from a private server, at least according to Newsweek.

    Ivanka Trump is a Senior Adviser to the President, which is an official government position. Complete with all of us sending her a paycheck.

    Still a complete horseshit equivalency - even if she's been using private email since joining the White House staff. She's not an Original Classification Authority, the way Hillary was, trading in the highest levels of classified information as a part of her job. Nor has Ivanka set up her own private email server in Jared's house, nor has she used it exclusively.

  18. Re: BeauHD should commit suicide by stealth_finger · · Score: 4, Informative

    And about her use of e-mail?

    Prior to becoming a federal employee, she used a personal email for government work.[87]

    Emphasis added. Not an issue. She wasn't a Federal employee when she used it - she literally had no way of using Federal e-mail account.

    If she's not a federal employee why is she doing government work?

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