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Elon Musk's Extracurricular Antics Reportedly Spark a NASA Safety Probe At SpaceX (techcrunch.com)

The recent interview Elon Musk conducted with Joe Rogan, where Musk took one puff from a marijuana cigarette after a lengthy conversation around AI, social media and space, is prompting a NASA safety probe at SpaceX. The Washington Post reports that NASA was not amused with Musk's antics and has "ordered a safety review of SpaceX and Boeing as a response to the colorful chief executive's shenanigans," reports TechCrunch. From the report: In an interview, NASA associate administrator for human exploration, William Gerstenmaier, told the Post that the review will begin next year and would examine the "safety culture" of both Boeing and SpaceX. Rather than focus on the safety of the actual rockets, the Post said that the review would look at the hours employees work, drug policies, leadership and management styles, and the responsiveness of both companies to safety concerns from employees. The review is going to be led by the Office of Safety and Mission Assurance within NASA, which has conducted similar probes before, according to the Post report.

According to the NASA official, the process could be "pretty invasive," with the potential for hundreds of interviews with employees at every level and across all locations where the companies operate. At stake is the potential $6.8 billion in contracts the two companies received in 2014 to revive crewed missions to space. SpaceX grabbed $2.6 billion from NASA for the program, while the remainder went to Boeing. In a statement given to the Post, SpaceX said, "We couldn't be more proud of all that we have already accomplished together with NASA, and we look forward to returning human spaceflight capabilities to the United States."

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  1. They take it seriously by AlanObject · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My last company was supporting boards for the aerospace industry. They have all sorts of odd triggers when it comes to anything to do with "drugs."

    For some reason we didn't have to drug test our line workers that produced the product, but we did have to certify that the people who repaired the product with audited drug tests. Well it turns out to be one guy in our whole company who had to pee in a cup. I offered to do it with him even though I had nothing to do with manufacturing because I thought that was unfair. But it never went anywhere.

    Elon can be hip as he wants, but if he wants those sweet sweet government contracts he has to behave. If something goes BOOM down the line when it wasn't supposed to there is nobody at NASA who wants to report to the subsequent investigation that they weren't keeping tabs on vendors.

    1. Re:They take it seriously by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're forgetting about that time the TSA found an overdue library book in Musk's carryon. That and a joint is two strikes. One speeding ticket in a red Tesla, and federosaurus mandatory sentencing kicks in.

    2. Re: They take it seriously by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Something blew up *before* he smoked it, so clearly the explosions cause the smoking.

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    3. Re: They take it seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Musk is an idiot, but that doesn't excuse the church lady prudes initiating this witch hunt. I doubt that the NASA church ladies would have gotten their panties in a knot if Musk had been swigging from a glass of scotch

    4. Re: They take it seriously by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Well how many CEOs have a whiskey or a beer on camera and no one fucking cares.

      Tell me why its not the same fucking thing.

      The difference is that one is a federal crime.

      That doesn't matter much to a high school student, since the feds rarely go after end users. But for the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation, acting like an adult is more important.

    5. Re: They take it seriously by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      WTF does SpaceX's safety have to do with Musk's state of mind? He has almost nothing to do with day-to-day operations.

      This is political payback for something we haven't seen. Some senator is pissed with him, probably for something personal.

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    6. Re: They take it seriously by MrKaos · · Score: 5, Informative

      If he smoked in a legal state and in a legal manner he was behaving.

      Some states have legalized pot, but selling, using, and possession are still federal offenses.

      The Federal government has several very public incidences of where it has broken *it's own* laws. Enough of the population use Cannabis to suggest that Federal law on this subject is about as antiquated as alcohol prohibition, it's beyond time to end it in all western countries.

      Musk is a CEO, not a high school student. He needs to grow up.

      I think that the real issue is that Musk has quite effectively shown that people's attitude towards cannabis needs to mature. So if we are going to have a grown up conversation it is reasonable to point out that both Tobacco and alcohol kill you (eventually) when used as directed.

      Not that I mind a beer, however that should be the attitude towards Cannabis. No one ever gets into a tizzy about someone having a beer, you can even drive after one or two.

      If we were having a really grown-up conversation we would be discussing how the prison guard union lobbies against ending its prohibition because it allows prison populations to be sustained so that they stay in work. Same with the Prison companies who want a cheap controllable work force constantly available.

      Alcohol lobbyists are against ending cannabis prohibition because sales will go down, obviously, once people find out they can get wasted without having a hangover.

      Rayon corporation are against ending cannabis prohibition because sales of artificial thread will go down.

      There's more, these are the lobby points I remember off hand.

      However the best one, if anyone remembers Citizen Kane, is a story loosely based on William Randolph Hearst who worked very hard to criminalize cannabis so that he would not have to bare the costs of replacing his printing presses around the US when paper manufacturers found that paper made from cannabis was cheaper to make and a better product than wood pulp paper. IIRC it also requires less chlorine to produce hemp paper, so perhaps a grown-up conversation about cannabis could include the damage to the environment its prohibition has indirectly caused.

      In a way Musk has subtly shown that he isn't "that guy".

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    7. Re: They take it seriously by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      The difference is that one is a federal crime.

      The smart people at NASA should be able to look beyond the black/white legal issues, and focus on the real dangers. In that case, there's no practical difference between weed and whiskey.

    8. Re: They take it seriously by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Musk is a CEO, not a high school student. He needs to grow up.

      I encourage you to actually watch the interview in question. Not only the part where he smokes pot but also the part where they discuss it a bit later. You'll find that he is far more grown up than those people who like to jump to conclusions based on soundbites and news headlines.

    9. Re: They take it seriously by Spamalope · · Score: 2

      You misspelled 'wealthy gov't contractors who don't want their feeding trough upset'.

  2. What is wrong with these people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    NASA is spending American tax dollars to investigate a company's employees' off hours activities - based on the CEO participating in a legal activity; at least in California.

    What a waste. No wonder NASA can't get a man to the moon anymore.

    1. Re:What is wrong with these people? by Shaitan · · Score: 2

      NASA is federal, it isn't legal anywhere as far as the feds are concerned.

    2. Re:What is wrong with these people? by sunking2 · · Score: 2

      Let's take a look at the last Soyuz. A simple manufacturing issue. This is why random drug and alcohol tests are tied to an entire contract, whether you work in the office on the program or in manufacturing. Not saying this was the cause of the soyuz, but the job of NASA is to reduce risk when dealing with programs costs in the millions and ultimately billions.

    3. Re:What is wrong with these people? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      I will convict any fucking pot smoker to the death penalty.

      By stoning?

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    4. Re:What is wrong with these people? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First of all: the drugs I take at time out of work, usually don't affect my work, as I sleep about 8h before I go to work. So, assuming a worker had made a mistake which causes a defect, under drugs, is obviously not very plausible.
      Secondly, to let a defect escape into production says that there is something wrong with the process. Regardless if the "cause" was a person under drugs. Perhaps all people in the chain of the process are under drugs?
      Thirdly: consuming drugs at work, or working under influence of mind or body altering drugs obviously should be prohibited. No one likes a drunk plane pilot ... But where do you draw the line? Is coffee a drug? What about pain killers? It is not even a decade ago that it was common that vending machines inside of big companies sold beer to the staff (in Germany) ...

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    5. Re:What is wrong with these people? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Is coffee a drug?

      Yes, a performance enhancing one.

      What about pain killers?

      Obviously. But really what you're showing here is quite a bit of ignorance on the topic. "Drugs" aren't banned, rather quite specific drugs that have quite specific performance related effects are banned. And yes there are several pain killers that would show up on my drug screen on the way into work which would result in me being either not allowed either on site or being banned from undertaking certain activities.

  3. Re:NASA is irrelevantly corrupt by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Boeing knows that hair testing their crew would be very ungood for them.

    This is the feds smacking ol' Musky on the nose with a newspaper for stepping out of line. The last of the drug warriors haven't died off, but are butthurt as fuck.

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  4. Re: no by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SpaceX has done what NASA and Boeing have been unable to do. The "fuck it" culture works, apparently.

  5. Good idea by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's a good idea, because Musk has a joystick that he uses to remotely pilot each launched rocket, and must always have his wits about him to insure that the rockets don't crash and burn. Sorry, but this is just a bit ridiculous on NASA's part.

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    1. Re:Good idea by apoc.famine · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You realize he took a puff, didn't like it, and said he never gets high, don't you? That's what makes this entire thing a stupid farce. Prior to his Joe Rogan appearance, I generally assumed he was a major stoner, due to the crazy shit he comes up with. That's where we learned that he wasn't.

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    2. Re:Good idea by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The WaPo article this is based on doesn't directly link Musk's behaviour to the investigation, which is also looking a Boeing.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      Seems like they are just doing their due diligence and checking out both the companies that will be putting humans in space for them.

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  6. Alcohol anyone? by george14215 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why doesn't NASA open an investigation into itself to figure out who drinks alcohol...a more potent and dangerous drug.

    1. Re:Alcohol anyone? by quenda · · Score: 3, Funny

      Archival photo of the NASA drug enforcement team:

      https://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/Hi...

    2. Re:Alcohol anyone? by quenda · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I always found it hilarious that no one in the movie "Hidden Figures" was shown smoking, when in reality the whole crew would have been puffing like old steam engines.

      Probably not in mission control though. The only photos I saw of smoking there were the after-mission cigars.

      And "Hidden Figures" cares little for facts. They show gender and racial segregation at NASA that did not exist. OK, there were was a little bit:
      "Katherine (then Goble) was originally unaware that the East Side bathrooms were segregated, and used the unlabeled "whites-only" bathrooms for years before anyone complained.[19] She ignored the complaint, and the issue was dropped."
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  7. Re:Gee, who they gonna compare him to? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Frankly, it's his/her body, and what they do with it off the clock is none of my fucking business. If they know the risks, I don't see this as worse than a doctor who rock climbs or races motorcycles as a hobby.

  8. Re:Gee, who they gonna compare him to? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Many competent and intelligent people use pot and other drugs. One doesn't preclude the other.

  9. Rope that pony! by seoras · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SpaceX is so far ahead with recycling rockets (= lower launch cost & better margins) that the incumbent rocket contractors appear to have pulled some strings to attempt to slow them down or discount them from the running. Someone needs breathing space to catch up.

    In a better world you'd spend 100% of your time focusing on innovating and improving technology instead of wasting time fighting the status quo.

  10. applied logic by Tom · · Score: 2

    Because Musk is personally building and piloting those things. Right. Makes sense.

    This american fascination with colourful CEOs has gone too far. What more does it take for you guys to understand that it's all a circus? Who cares? Sure CEOs matter, but not half as much as a good engineering team.

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  11. NASA has paper trail culture not safety culture by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Richard Feynman describes an anecdote. He found that the solid rocket boosters have some 196 bolts around the rim and the bolt and the bolt holes at 12 o' clock and 6o' clock positions were marked. The workers count the holes to 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock positions to align the heavy booster segment hanging from a crane on a cable to assemble it. He casually added a note saying, they should mark the 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock bolts and holes to make the assembly easier without bumping and damaging the segments during the assembly.

    Three years later he got a stack of about four ring binders from the committee that followed up on his casual note. Skipping to the punch line, they concluded, "they can not mark them because updating the assembly and verification documentation would be too expensive".

    Is there any wonder, SpaceX runs circles around NASA when it comes to efficiency?

    Remember every dollar "wasted" by the government is a dollar earned by someone who did not deserve it. We know NASA wastes tons and tons of money. The defense contractors are getting it. That cash flow is getting threatened. They will retaliate like this.

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