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First Ever Plane With No Moving Parts Takes Flight (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: The first ever "solid state" plane, with no moving parts in its propulsion system, has successfully flown for a distance of 60 meters, proving that heavier-than-air flight is possible without jets or propellers. The flight represents a breakthrough in "ionic wind" technology, which uses a powerful electric field to generate charged nitrogen ions, which are then expelled from the back of the aircraft, generating thrust. Steven Barrett, an aeronautics professor at MIT and the lead author of the study published in the journal Nature, said the inspiration for the project came straight from the science fiction of his childhood.

In the prototype plane, wires at the leading edge of the wing have 600 watts of electrical power pumped through them at 40,000 volts. This is enough to induce "electron cascades", ultimately charging air molecules near the wire. Those charged molecules then flow along the electrical field towards a second wire at the back of the wing, bumping into neutral air molecules on the way, and imparting energy to them. Those neutral air molecules then stream out of the back of the plane, providing thrust. The end result is a propulsion system that is entirely electrically powered, almost silent, and with a thrust-to-power ratio comparable to that achieved by conventional systems such as jet engines.
"I was a big fan of Star Trek, and at that point I thought that the future looked like it should be planes that fly silently, with no moving parts -- and maybe have a blue glow," said Barrett. "But certainly no propellers or turbines or anything like that. So I started looking into what physics might make flight with no moving parts possible, and came across a concept known as the ionic wind, which was first investigated in the 1920s."

"This didn't make much progress in that time. It was looked at again in the 1950s, and researchers concluded that it couldn't work for aeroplanes. But I started looking into this and went through a period of about five years, working with a series of graduate students to improve fundamental understanding of how you could reduce ionic winds efficiently, and how that could be optimized."

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  1. This does not scale well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This plane's wingspan is already five meters, for just 2.5kg of weight, most of it going to the battery pack. To make it carry more weight, one will have to make it much bigger, which will require much stronger wings, which will make it heavier. And to make things worse, batteries do not get lighter as they discharge.

    It's a great toy, but it will be a while before it is useful.

    1. Re:This does not scale well by Harlequin80 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. 5m wing span at 2.5kg is extremely light with a massive lifting surface. 60m glide from a head height launch would be easy.

      But did it take off from standstill. Article is unclear. If it self launched that is far more interesting.

    2. Re:This does not scale well by dinfinity · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yep. From the original paper ( https://www.nature.com/article... ):
      "Owing to the limited length of the indoor space (60 m), we used a bungeed launch system to accelerate the aircraft from stationary to a steady flight velocity of 5 m/s within 5 m, and performed free flight in the remaining 55 m of flight space. "

      Besides the weight of the batteries, the main issue is this:
      "Although we have shown that EAD thrust density is sufficient at the scale of unmanned aerial vehicles, where the available ratio of frontal area to weight is high, it is not currently sufficient for high-speed flight at the scale of commercial aviation: the area thrust density of our aeroplane was 3 N/m^2, that of a typical conventional unmanned aerial vehicle is of the order of 10 N/m^2, and that of a modern civil airliner is of the order of 1000 N/m^2."

      Nevertheless it is really cool technology.

    3. Re:This does not scale well by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Same thing was said about the Wright Brothers little effort.

      The Wright Brothers' plane carried the weight of a man (Orville), and accelerated from zero under its own power.

      To be fair, it also had a strong headwind, while this solid state plane flew in zero wind.

      But the Wright Brother's Flyer had a clear path to improvement with lighter and more powerful engines.

      Where can this SS tech go? Batteries will get lighter, but no where near enough to give this plane a practical payload or range.

    4. Re:This does not scale well by sheramil · · Score: 5, Funny

      Batteries will get lighter, but no where near enough to give this plane a practical payload or range.

      which one of Nostradamus' quatrains did you get that from?

    5. Re:This does not scale well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Initially the Wrights used a weight-driven catapult

    6. Re:This does not scale well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A long, long time ago when I was learning EE from an even older textbook I recall something about capacitance.

      There were no large volume capacitors at the time the author was at university. The book discussed the oddity of the farad unit. Theoretically one could have made a one farad capacitor with the best materials but would encompass most of the Empire State Building in volume. That always stuck with me. Today you can buy a one farad 12v capacitor off amazon about the size of a water bottle, but have width to height ratios remarkably similar to the Empire State Building.

      The point to remember is that limitations imposed by theoretical physicists are tentative at best. Remember, physics without empirical evidence isn't science and isn't necessarily reflective of reality.

    7. Re:This does not scale well by amorsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Screw useful.

      It flies without engines or motors!

      What has happened to Slashdot, dreams from our childhoods unexpectedly become possible, and we go "meh, I checked the timetable at Heathrow for tomorrow, none of those fly with ionic engines".

      Just to make it worse, when the first commercial flight of ionic engines happens, we'll go "meh, old tech, this professor showed it in 2018 already. Why is there no innovation anymore?"

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    8. Re:This does not scale well by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      EHD propulsion is well modeled, and it's just not possible to achieve a high thrust density per unit of propulsive surface area at reasonable efficiency. It's a more interesting concept for propulsion of lighter-than-air aircraft, where you have an extremely large surface are and can have your electrodes double as surface reinforcement. But the electrode longevity problems remain. So does ozone generation.

      On the upside, EHD propulsion is surprisingly efficient when surface area is not a limiting factor. You're moving a large mass of air at low velocity rather than a small mass of air at high velocity, which leads to higher propulsive efficiency.

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    9. Re:This does not scale well by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Where can this SS tech go? Batteries will get lighter, but no where near enough to give this plane a practical payload or range.

      What if we attach this engine to a big Zeppelin?

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    10. Re:This does not scale well by djinn6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Electric planes are already here, but they're extremely limited by battery tech.

      Since planes are weight-limited, their range is proportional to the specific energy (energy per unit mass) of the battery. That value would need to double before electric planes can be practically used for training. To fly a typical short-haul route, the batteries would need 3-4 times the specific energy. To fly long-haul, they would need 10-12 times. Now that's just considering whether they're able to do it, not whether it would be economical.

      I grant you that there are a number of battery chemistries that would be able to accomplish this in theory, but it might be extremely difficult to implement in practice. I mean fusion has been theoretically possible for almost a century and it's still 15 years away according to its proponents.

    11. Re:This does not scale well by leomekenkamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Off topic, but it is a generational thing. Judging from your ID I take it you are the same age as I am, or older. I only applied for an account after reading slashdot for quite some months/years...

      Anyway, we are of the same age or you are older. Which means that you can remember a world without internet access on your phone. Or internet access in your home. Or internet access at university or some Initech. Or internet at all. When you needed information, you needed to go to the library, or look it up in an encyclopedia or ask someone else.

      If you wanted to make an appointment with someone, you had to plan in advance instead of calling ad-hoc. If you wanted to meet someone at a venue, you would have to plan in advance, because, hey, no mobile phones. You needed to keep an eye out for each other or assign a meeting point for when someone got lost.

      You had to go to a shop to buy something, go to some desk to rent something. You probably even needed to plan to have enough money on you, but not too much.

      Hell, even running punch cards through a computer and getting the results could take hours.

      Long story short: everything took longer. Now so much is instantaneous. Your mind got wired when everything took longer. The internet generation has gotten their minds wired in an environment were everything is near-instant. They are not used to waiting, because they have never waited. Not like you and me. I think that is a significant factor in the change you have noticed here on slashdot.

      We are getting old. We have skills, like patience and parallelization/pipe-lining, that are not really needed anymore. We see the 'young' without these once essential skills and get more or less annoyed at the behaviour they show without these skills.

      So yeah: screw useful! This is heavy nerdy shit. This is why I visit slashdot.

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    12. Re: This does not scale well by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, I think this guy is excited in the wrong direction, (big silent electric aircraft) but he even mentions the right direction in the article. He mentions that this tech scales *down* really well. So here's your propulsion system for things like robotic bees, and other extra tiny flying devices.

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  2. silently floating around the world? by clovis · · Score: 4, Funny

    In my dream world, this would be used to silently propel solar-powered zeppelins around the world. The zeppelin's buoyancy would support the weight of the batteries used for night-time propulsion.
    Of course the problem with that is lithium batteries well-known flammability. But what's the odds of something going wrong with something a simple as a zeppelin?

  3. Re:Wonder how much thrust it's producing by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Informative

    About 3N/m^2 per the article; that is about 1/300th of a modern jet airplane.

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  4. Neat by Compuser · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I cannot see this as immediately useful for plane construction but I can imagine some uses for it. Most notably, one could power this from a real fuel-powered motor rather than a battery and use it as a secondary propulsion mechanism. So for example, this could maybe eliminate the second rotor on choppers (which is a source of major mechanical complexity and does not do much lifting, just torque balancing).

  5. Re:I'm no MIT student, by LionKimbro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Lifters." First thought that came to my head!

    It was really instructive for me, to watch the process unfold:
    1. People started proclaiming that they had UFO and anti-grav technology.
    2. The scientific community said, "No, you don't."
    3. People started posting videos of their "lifters."
    4. People were scratching their heads. Many people said, "These must be photoshopped."
    5. After a time, scientific community started researching what these things are.
    6. Scientific community responds with, "OK, we've looked at this, and: It's ionic breeze."

    I saw this as an interesting interaction between the public (eager to have anti-grav tech, or something from UFOs, or whatever,) and the scientific community (eager to fight against the forces of ignorance and superstition.)

    Lessons I took from it are:
    * The scientific community gets it right, eventually, and provides what it knows after some study. (It's trustworthy.)
    * Sometimes the public has something interesting, even if the scientific community initially says "no." (It's sometimes worth paying attention to the public, but not at face value if the public is on some crazy interpretation.)

  6. Cube the weight to double the size - scale kills by raymorris · · Score: 5, Informative

    > make it much bigger, which will require much stronger wings, which will make it heavier.

    Yeah with planes, if it barely works at small scale, it can't come close to working at a much larger scale. Specifically, doubling the length and width means the weight is eight times as much. It's easy to do things at model scale that are nearly impossible at full size.

    Imagine a plane with a rectangular fuselage 10x1x1. Its volume would be ten units, and the weight proportional. "Doubling the size" would be 20x2x2. That's 80 units of volume/weight! Doubling the size makes it 8 times heavier.

    I can easily scratch build a model plane from Dollar Tree materials that has a thrust to weight ratio greater than 1. Probably most models have 1 or better thrust to weight. At full scale, only some fighter jets have that kind of capability.

    The fact that scaling up by doubling the wingspan means 8 times as much weight means anything borderline capable at 5 meter wingspan because totally unusable at 10 meters. They'll need to either scale it up and show it works, or demo fighter jet level performance at 5 meters to show flight is possible at 10 meter wingspan.

  7. Re:Cube the weight to double the size - scale kill by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Imagine a plane with a rectangular fuselage 10x1x1. Its volume would be ten units, and the weight proportional. "Doubling the size" would be 20x2x2.

    Doubling the size would be 20x1x1. That you allow you to carry twice as much cargo... Probably a lot more than 2x as much since the 10x1x1 aircraft would have fixed size equipment and mechanical stuff that doesn't scale proportionally.

    What you suggest is multiplying the size by 8. In practice very large aircraft are economical and not as impractical as your numbers would suggest. Per unit of cargo (e.g. per person) an A380 compares well to a small business jet.

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