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Most Americans Don't Think Social Networks Are Good For the World, Survey Finds (axios.com)

A new survey from Axios finds that a majority of Americans don't think social networks are good for the world. An anonymous reader shares the key findings: Silicon Valley has a big and growing problem: Americans have rising concerns with its most popular products and a growing majority wants big social media companies regulated, according to new poll conducted by Survey Monkey for "Axios on HBO." In the past year, there has been a 15-point spike in the number of people who fear the federal government won't do enough to regulate big tech companies -- with 55% now sharing this concern. In that same period, there was a 14-point increase in those who feel technology has hurt democracy and free speech. The biggest spike has been among Republicans, presumably because of increased concern about perceived censorship of conservative voices on social media. About 40% of Americans still feel that social media is a net positive for society. Overall, 65% of people say smartphones have made their quality of life better. The study also found that nearly two-thirds (63%) of respondents say they sleep with their phone in or next to their bed; and that jumps to 73% among millennials. Also, "More than half (51%) say smartphones are the hardest technology for most people to live without," reports Axios. "And that jumps to 67% among millennials."

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  1. I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once I got to work and realized I didn't have it, I turned around and went home and retrieved it. (personal phone, not business phone) I'm not proud of it. But I would have felt naked all day long without it.

    1. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Guess I'm from a different generation. There are days I forget my phone and don't even notice that I did until I start looking for it when going to bed since it's my alarm clock. Which is also the one function I require the most out of it...

      But take away my computer and you have a very confused person at your hands.

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    2. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      When I went to work I left my phone in my car. Personal phones are prohibited in many US military workspaces. Didn't miss it a bit and actually worked at work.

    3. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by fluffernutter · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a bit different when your job expects to be able to reach you on your phone. You just don't have one of those jobs.

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    4. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I do.

      That's why a loss of my computer would devastate me, it would be near impossible to reach me.

      A phone call is by some margin the worst kind of communication you could have with someone. It gives you no time to ponder a suitable answer, it does not document the communication unless you deliberately do it yourself, it only allows for one simultaneous communication and it does not let you prioritize your communications.

      If you need something from me, drop me a line in the instant messenger we use in house and you will receive an answer according to the importance of the communication and the availability of the information you require.

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    5. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a bit different when your job expects to be able to reach you on your phone.

      What does that have to do with social networking?

      You just don't have one of those jobs.

      Do you look in the mirror in the morning and repeat that to yourself.

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    6. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's a bit different when your job expects to be able to reach you on your phone. You just don't have one of those jobs.

      And I refuse to have one. Unless they're paying me to be on call, when I leave the office in the evening, my phone goes into a zip up case with its cables, and stays there.

      My company recently suggested we should be doing training in our spare time. My response was basically "why is a multi billion dollar company asking me to donate my free time for training they want me to take?"

      Sorry, no, I don't donate my free time to my employer. If you want to be able to reliably reach me after hours, pay me for it.

      I don't get paid nearly enough to make a charitable contribution to the company's bottom line while the execs are getting huge bonuses.

      More on topic, I have no interest in social media ... I'm old enough to remember spending a lot of time on IRQ, usenet, and BBSs. I just don't see what Facebook or Twitter is supposed to add to my life -- I just find it pointless and inane.

      Now get off my goddamned lawn. ;-)

    7. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Well I get pages by SMS and that is the only way the system will work.

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    8. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by johnsie · · Score: 1

      sms, like in the 1990s?

    9. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Yes, like the 1990's. Believe me, the suckyness of it is not lost on most people who have to use it.

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    10. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by fluffernutter · · Score: 0

      I work from home every day making a pretty decent salary. I don't really ever want to go back to the office, so I consider it a reasonable trade off.

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    11. Re: I went to work and forgot my phone this week by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      As a fellow old man, I would not brag about it

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    12. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a bit different when your job expects to be able to reach you on your phone. You just don't have one of those jobs.

      And why would I want one?

    13. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      sms, like in the 1990s?

      I know people who still have old fashion pagers, and I also know people who have changed to using apps on their phones to receive pages.

      By far, the pager is considerably more reliable and useful than any app on a phone.

      When my wife's pager goes off, you can hear it throughout the house. Meanwhile, we live in an area with crappy cell coverage, and sometimes you can't even get a signal on the phone.

      Say what you want about old school paging technology, but it works, and has done so consistently and reliably for a long time -- and it does so in places where cell phones often don't.

    14. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >it does not let you prioritize your communications.
      That's a feature. Calls are for top priority stuff where immediate attention is required. Frankly some people need that of you (the royal you), and you need that of other people when actual important shit goes down, including field work in tech.

    15. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      It's a bit different when your job expects to be able to reach you on your phone.

      Don't let your employer dictate how you live your life. We've allowed them to take away our agency just because they're not willing to be properly organized or to pay for sufficient employees to cover their needs. And never, ever accept this kind of intrusion on your life as "the new normal". It's only normal because you allow yourself to be exploited.

      People let their employer dictate their lives in a way that they would never accept from their family or loved ones.

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    16. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by fluffernutter · · Score: 0

      Don't take my comments to mean that I don't set realistic limits. However, I am the senior member of the team and it is often easier to answer a question off-hours then to fix what they messed up because I wasn't available for them to ask it.

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    17. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      it is often easier to answer a question off-hours then to fix what they messed up because I wasn't available for them to ask it.

      OK, but make sure that it's actually easier for you, and not just easier based on the fact that you haven't been given sufficient resources to do the job without having it intrude upon your private life.

      People in tech cede way too much control over their lives to their employers, IMO.

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    18. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by mikael · · Score: 1

      I would be happy with a mobile phone that just had the maps feature (to navigate around a city), the telephone (to call taxis) and web browsing (to view bus timetables), without all the social media baked in (Facebook, Google+, Tumblr, Instagram etc...).

      Having overlays for public transport bus routes would be a big boost. Presently it involves scrambling around downloading PDF's from the bus company, viewing google maps, and trying to munge the two by scale and location in order to figure out where the buses go. Sometimes the only way to figure out a bus route, is to actually take a bus ride there and back.

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    19. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be happy with a mobile phone that just had the maps feature (to navigate around a city), the telephone (to call taxis) and web browsing (to view bus timetables), without all the social media baked in (Facebook, Google+, Tumblr, Instagram etc...).

      Any android phone will do then. And while they all come with the facebook app, you can disable that along with any other included app you don't want to see. Thereafter, these apps won't be on the menus, they won't autostart, and they won't receive updates. And they don't make the phone cost more, they are all free apps anyway. Phones are sold with them because most people want them, but disabling them is easy and it really stops them. I don't use facebook, so of course I disabled the fb app. No fb annoyances, less power draw.

    20. Re:I went to work and forgot my phone this week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can use a Samsung Galaxy S2 or S3 with Replicant (see replicant.us). It gives you all that, but you have to install drivers from the original firmware for Wifi and GPS.

  2. Wasn't this the whole point? by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    The study also found that nearly two-thirds (63%) of respondents say they sleep with their phone in or next to their bed; and that jumps to 73% among millennials.

    I mean, the cell phone was invented so that users could be contacted / contact other useres more readily, almost all the time. I do not see a problem here.

    This study simply confirms success at this metric, right?

    1. Re:Wasn't this the whole point? by fazig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What? You don't have your alarm clock across the room? You sleep with it next to your bed? What a strange person you are!

      Personally I still use a regular alarm clock and even wear a wrist watch, because that's how I grew up. But seeing how modern cell phones have become these all-in-one devices I am not at all surprised that other older and 'discrete' tech gets displaced by these new devices and that people want to keep them close at all times. That's one of the many other factors that have to be considered here as well.

    2. Re:Wasn't this the whole point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wear a watch too. It's inexpensive, very accurate and has easy to read big digits.

      For all those who wonder, why would a person wear a watch nowadays:
      -- I can read it by turning my wrist, not digging in my pocket or reaching over for a phone and turning the screen on.
      -- The countdown timer and stopwatch are easy to use. No app to start.
      -- It cost me $25 and is not fragile like a modern phone.
      -- It's water resistant to 100 meters.
      -- I don't need to recharge it.

      Watches aren't so bad. This one has a battery that lasts 4 years. It cost me $25. It's waterproof to 100 meters.

      What I would really like is the exact same watch - but with a supercap and a tiny solar panel, so it would run indefinitely. I actually wore the buttons out on my last two of these models. If they made onethat lasted longer (better buttons) and with a supercap I'd pay for that. I've looked for an alternative and the closest I've seen is the Casio solar models, but the digits aren't as large.

      My smartphone, and is great as a portable computing / information device but I don't want to give up my watch.

    3. Re:Wasn't this the whole point? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I haven't had a watch for a couple years now but I agree with you. In fact, I found myself looking at my wrist the other day even though it has been so long since I have had one.

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    4. Re:Wasn't this the whole point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I still use a regular alarm clock and even wear a wrist watch

      I still use a regular alarm clock because if I wake up in the middle of the night for any reason I don't want to be blinded by my phone screen when I check the time. Same goes for my alarm - I don't want to be blinded by the phone screen when I wake up to its alarm in the dark.

      I don't wear a wristwatch anymore, despite missing having one. Just seems no point when my phone has a clock in it and also checks email!

    5. Re:Wasn't this the whole point? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Back in the days before cell phones, it was common to have a landline phone next to the bed. So I suspect the percentage of people sleeping with a phone in/next to their bed has actually gone down with the advent of cell phones.

    6. Re:Wasn't this the whole point? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I made conscious decisions which other people find disturbing. I only accept general calls on my land line, I allow pick up calls on my mobile that I am expecting at that time. I make calls with the mobile to keep a record, of the call not the content. Really shocks people when I tell them I do not normally answer my mobile phone, I used to be a slave to the phone at work and a mobile phone hugely exceeds my tolerance. I used to really enjoy driving to meetings and refused a mobile because of brain tumour issues, I really did enjoy the moments to myself driving too and from the meeting (I made that choice when I found out from a friend that he answered the phone on the toilet, that seemed way to invasive for me, so a conscious limited use). Generally my mobile phone will be in a different room with the door closed, racking up messages I, well, ignore. I find the land line and answering machine much more controllable, to limit the phones control of my life, to where it's non-phone functions are more useful to me than the phone functions and certainly zero social media on the mobile phone, absolutely ZERO, my life is my own. To be fair I am an introvert computer geek and people just generate uncomfortable ripples in my brain, that deny me new, interesting thoughts that get my brain produce tasty, tasty brain chemicals, too many mud monkeys just produce nasty brain chemicals in my brain, so best to be avoided, still like them though, just don't like to be with them, except when gaming, gaming provides a more tolerable social interaction, even fun.

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  3. Both Sides by Bigbutt · · Score: 0

    I’d love to have a discussion about this but the extremists on both sides will overwhelm any reasonable disussion so I’m off to enjoy Thanksgiving. And the family members who advocated lynching a black man are out having Thanksgiving somewhere else.

    [John]

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  4. Time sink by fluffernutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I avoid social networking like the plague and my wife is on Facebook all the time. Just the types of little humorous clips she shows me really imitates me.. like I can literally feel the seconds being drained away from my life. First of all, many of them that are intended to show some funny moment are so obviously staged; and people on average really don't have a great sense of humor.

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    1. Re: Time sink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahahaha
      Do I have a sense of humor? ;)

    2. Re:Time sink by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      I avoid social networking like the plague and my wife

      And you wonder why your marriage is falling apart!

      Just the types of little humorous clips she shows me really imitates me

      Imitates you? Oh my, so she shows you clips that mock you? Well, now we know why you avoid her! ;)

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    3. Re:Time sink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have all the known facebook domains, permanently blocked.

  5. Re:Faggots, Niggers and Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nuff said. Now watch as the SJW liberal marxists on slashdot will censor me because they dont beleve in first amendment and are bias against conservatives.

    I bet you won't even consider you are the one who did what you're trying to make a point of.

    Funny that.

  6. Not the same by Kohath · · Score: 4, Funny

    Smart phones are not social media. Why does the summary conflate the two?

    1. Re:Not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      two reasons, because most social media is now accessed by smart phone and because most people don't have enough understanding of how technology works to differentiate the two (journalists included)

    2. Re:Not the same by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Because an awful lot* of social media-ing is done on smartphones.

      (*) most?

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    3. Re:Not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your point is?

    4. Re:Not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't conflate them, though. It mentions both of them because the survey that is the subject of TFA has questions about both?

      FWIW, most of what people do on their smartphones is social media, and most social media is consumed on smartphones, so conflating information about them might be a perfectly valid thing to do.

    5. Re:Not the same by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      In the french media, they call it "sites internet" instead of "sites web" because they're afraid of the big bad english word "web".

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    6. Re:Not the same by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Social media is also accessed over WiFi service. Would it make sense to ask people if they like WiFi service in connection with social media?

    7. Re:Not the same by Kohath · · Score: 1

      FWIW, most of what people do on their smartphones is social media, and most social media is consumed on smartphones, so conflating information about them might be a perfectly valid thing to do.

      Games and texting and listening to music and web browsing aren't social media. That's most of what people do on their smartphones.

    8. Re:Not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not wrong. The problem is really all the technology that makes it convenient and appealing for the masses. Every social media system is pretty decent when it starts off, and then turns to shit as it gains popularity. It's because at the root, it's people who are bad for the world...

    9. Re:Not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Neilson, the most used apps are:

      1. Facebook
      2. Messenger
      3. Youtube
      4. Google Maps
      5. Google Search
      6. Google Play
      7. Gmail
      8. Instagram
      9. Apple Music
      10. Amazon

      So the 1, 2, 3 and 8 are social media (ok, youtube is arguable). Other sources also include snapchat in the top 10; none that I've seen include a game. Not sure where you're getting your data..?

    10. Re:Not the same by Kohath · · Score: 1

      YouTube isn’t social media. If "Messenger" isn't Facebook's, that’s not social media either.

      Games don’t crack the top 10 because they are many.

  7. Meaningless by cstacy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Findings, if TFS is to be believed, are meaningless.

    To me, a "smart phone" is (1) phone (2) GPS (3) Calendar (4) email monitor (too small for real use) (5) text messaging (emergency/supplementary/alert short messages -- neither I nor anyone I know actually "texts" in the conventional sense) such as "Can't Answer Phone", "Downstairs", police-traffic alerts) and (6) Google: quick facts, restaurants and services such as flights (7) photo/video missions (scenic, birthdays, ...)

    I have an "old people" Facebook account for some limited family/friend photo sharing and for advertising one of my businesses. I never access it from the phone and don't have any social medial apps installed. I guess technically that's social media -- I used Facebook for about an hour over the course of two days in the last seven months (funeral announcement).

    So, yes, my S9+ is indispensable and it is next to my bed at night.
    I used to have a GPS, camera, calendar, and alarm clock and I lugged
    all that shit around (and some of it was implemented as a big paper book).
    This damn thing fits in my pocket!

    But I don't think that's what the point of the survey was.

    Oh, other apps I have installed? Well, I have some music files on there,
    but I don't normally play them from the phone. I also have a small
    database of specialized information that I use for work - I look something
    up on there about once a week. And I have some gas station and pharmacy
    loyalty cards on the phone. All those replace paper I used to lug.
    Those are all the apps.

  8. in other news by mapkinase · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Most Americans think what mass media tells them to think

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    1. Re: in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for long!

    2. Re:in other news by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0

      J.P. Prewitt : Male models don't think for themselves.
      Derek Zoolander : That's not true!
      J.P. Prewitt : Yes it is, Derek.
      Derek Zoolander : [meekly] Okay.

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    3. Re:in other news by mapkinase · · Score: 0

      Where is the website where old people like me still complain about Eternal September?

      I want to go back to 1991 and never see perpetual brown wave of pimply brainless drone imbeciles.

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    4. Re:in other news by gtall · · Score: 0

      Oh, so that's why Trump was elected.

    5. Re: in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was before the web, you'll have to go look at Usenet archives, grandpa

      I believe some folks still run Usenet and NNTP.

    6. Re: in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me finger that for you. Or maybe I'll gopher it.

  9. Re:Fascism by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Unless "The System" is a brand-new RealDoll, I'll have to pass on your offer.

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  10. And yet they all use them. Funny that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Economists found out long ago that the public is a bunch of liars. People say one thing, do another.

    Revealed preference is a bitch. :)

  11. The solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arrest the executives of social media sites for sedition and treason. Shut down those sites and fire their employees. Anyone caught posting anti American screeds sent to re-education camps for 10 years.

  12. Re:Just In Survery from the rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then stop giving us your money. The whole world parks their money in our banks and financial markets.

    Only thing worse than complaining is when you do nothing about it.

  13. Like any institution by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Facebook is like any institution. You get out of it what you put into it. Compare government. People want to pretend it will function properly even if they ignore it, but it won't do that any more than will a car. It might look to be working correctly for some time, until you find out that neglect has been causing damage all along. All we put into Facebook is our information, we're not supplying any of the elbow grease, so it's not surprising that the machine we didn't build is churning our personal information into something malign.

    Social networking is a neutral technology, being peddled by malicious actors. Until we build our own social networks, we're going to continue to be abused by social networks.

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  14. Do it broader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do this research in more countries and you'll confirm it's not only US.

    Social tools never would make the world better. They transformed this generation is visual whores: you feel everybody have something better than you to show off. Or you can also be bombarded with "targeted" ads. Maybe for banging that new hot neighbor, social tools might be of use. And that's it.

    I am going for my fourth anniversary of having facebook, insta and twitter (linkedin also) deleted and I don't regret a second. I also did not miss anything there. Nothing to lose.

  15. good to see people coming around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course not, especially now that the companies themselves are taking sides and having company wide political and social views, which has no place in such environments

    They also inject their politics and filter content on their services to favor their positions

    Not good at all

    Speaking of which, has Jack Dorsey banned himself from Twitter for hate speech yet? Still waiting on that one.

  16. What is Winter Sunlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation fo wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
    Working of Error

  17. Neither Good Nor Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These technologies - social media included - are not inherently good or bad. It's what we do with them that matters. If people think that they're bad for society than I think that says a hell of a lot more about society than anything else. And what it has to say about society is quite clear: Many of us are self-absorbed, quick to anger, and very slow to listen. Voices of reason and unity are drowned out by bad memes, clickbait articles, and insults.

    It's nothing new, really. Newspapers from 200 years ago are full of sensationalism, lies, and sleezy gossip. Social media just lets everyone participate now, at any moment. Then there's the dopamine effect. Every like / rewteet / favorite / whatever makes your brain pop out a little burst of pleasure. For many, social media can be addicting. Posting the most outrageous stuff, trolling the world, will get you all of that attention.

    We could use social media for discussing, connecting, and sharing - and many do - but not enough...

  18. SoMe or AsoMe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are these so called "Social Media" networks really social? Why they are called social when they are clearly just marketing machines.

    To me they are more Anti-Social Media networks.

    People troll other peoples, people behave badly or even terrible, people distribute false/fake material about themselves and the world.

    And on top of this, the people using these great "social media" networks are actually less interacting socially with other people, because they are all the time glued to their gadgets and don't see, there are real people near them.

    I think it is time to start calling these "media" what they are: Anti-Social Media.

    Cheers.

  19. Gray beard here. Usenet vs "social media" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Usenet used to be great. I'm not sure if you would consider that "social media" but it rocked. There are still some news groups I read which are still good. Although the trolls and spam has gotten crazy.

    "Social media" like facebook OTOH is a nightmare of crap. Seemingly sane, intelligent people post things that are insane and garbage. On both sides of the spectrum. The people who are middle of the road don't seem to post nearly so much.

    The number of people who post political junk is amazing. The worst part is many of them are literally in a state of doublethink. On the one hand they complain about how high taxes are, and then they simultaneously complain the government isn't doing enough. If you point out that having government do more will almost certainly cost more, they get frustrated and tend to resort to magical unicorns to try and solve that.

    Also, I don't care at all about the fact that the coffee shop screwed up your coffee. Big deal. To see you post some story about the plight of starving people while previously complaining about your coffee being screwed up makes you look like an incredible asshole. You should be glad you have the funds to afford your cup of hot coffee, and be glad the water to make it is is (mostly) OK.

  20. Conflating social media and smart phones by marcle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So which one is it? The post starts off talking about a poll relating to social media, but then turns into hand-wringing over smart phones. To be sure they often go together, but this kind of fuzzy thinking is more click-bait than actual, you know, informed discussion.

    1. Re:Conflating social media and smart phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I love my smartphone and the thing never leaves my side. It's an indispensable tool for running a startup. But I have never had a single social media account. I never had a Facebook, Twitter or any of those things.

      I'm confused how one is related to the other.

  21. just say no by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

    If you don't think social media is good, don't use it. End of story.

    1. Re:just say no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't use it. I do see how it is highly detrimental to our society as a whole, and to individuals. Oh, and I don't have a "smart" phone, I have a flip phone. If I am gonna surf the net, read documents, type a letter or an email, you will find me using my desktop or laptop computer, not media consumption device (which is really all a "smart" phone is good for) with a tint screen and a really hard to use on-screen keyboard!

      I have seen far too many people who have what I call smart-phone-itis. They can't seem to put down the smart phone and many of them spend many hours a day on social media. If their "smart" phone dies when they are somewhere that it cannot be plugged in right away, many of them will get really nervous, like they might miss some tidbit on whatever social media (data mining) site that they use.

    2. Re:just say no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I don't think people driving the wrong way on the freeway is good, but I don't do it, is that the end of the story?

      FB and chums are making bank exploiting people, and it's wrong. Just because they aren't exploiting me doesn't make it OK.

  22. And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone continues to use social media, handing over all their private information to the profit of social media companies. It takes a special kind of retarded to keep doing this and complain about it. I'm sure you're all going to vote me down in a huff because, of course, taking responsibility for your own actions is horrible. It's the fault of the big, evil corporations!

  23. Facebok ist kaput by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're coming after FB, to scare other tech companies to fall in line with censorship. It will be done in 2 years. Hillary's crew know they need to make an example of the biggest kid in the school yard.

  24. Social media is dangerous ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... in many ways.

    Facebook is looking to deploy AI on our photos to determine demographics like race, age, presence of boats, goats, grand kids, political affiliation, religion, sexual preferences, and they are going to make even more money then they do now.

    I have a bot that deletes everything older than the current month. I'm a photographer and I don't want to feed that goddam machine, which pisses me off because Facebook was a great venue. I don't bother to post photos.

    In fact, I'm down to 20 Friends. Used to be 750. They don't know it, but I'm doing THEM a favour, as well.

    I still rely on Facebook to keep in touch with family, but because my footprint is shrinking, I'll eventually just bring it down.

    I know of no way to circumvent. Email was compromised way before Facebook was created.

    Other social media platforms are just as bad. In my professional opinion, we're screwed.

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    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    1. Re:Social media is dangerous ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other social media platforms are just as bad. In my professional opinion, we're screwed.

      The problem exists because of the laws of nature. I.e. Once you give the data to someone else, there's no limit to the number of copies they can make and distribute. The other law of nature it violates is this one: Given no perceived consequence, perfect anonymity, and huge self-benefit to an action, most will undertake said action. All websites, not just social media, fall under these criteria. Hence the ADs, and the constant never-ending encroaching on what little privacy you have left.

      The solution isn't to fix the problem, as that's impossible. Rather, the correct solution is to use alternative methods that don't require third party middlemen to socialize.

  25. Re: Oh We Have! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US stocks have been in a global sell-off for over a year, but your taxes have been hard at work buying back that stock for the companies so you havent noticed. Youll start to notice when your economy is tanking in six months. BIGLY.

  26. Then don't use them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think they're not good, then stop fucking using them. It's an easy god damn solution.

  27. Re: Avoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Social Media is mostly very Anti-social and is a cesspit of nothingness especially when Trump tweets.

    PEople are boasting about Kim Kardashian re-tweeting their tweets on their resume's for heavens sakes.
    If that does not tell how low it has sunk then frankly you are beyond help.

    Just stop using the shit and let it die a death like MySpace.

  28. Re: Oh We Have! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks Obama!!

  29. Re:Just In Survery from the rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we dont give you or money -you either steal it via ip theft or scream unfair practices and implement tarrifs if we don't buy from shitty american companies.

    under the guise free trade.

  30. Social media isn't bad - it's how people use it by schweini · · Score: 1

    I don't understand all the social network hate - my Facebook bubble consists of relatively 'normal' (by my standards) people, with about 10% people I don't even remember having added, but their posts liven up the echo chamber a bit, so that's cool.
    I mostly use it to share articles I found interesting online, some jokes and some of the nicer life events (hey! i'm at the beach! anyone want to hand out?). I don't really see the haem in that, and it helps me stay in touch with other people that wold otherwise have dropped of my radar.
    I think social media is akin to gambling - it's a horrible life consuming thing if you fall into that hole too deeply, and even though you curse at the casinos, you still go. That is a real problem.
    But if you choose to participate in gambling just by participating in some raffles or bingos, I don't think it is too bad.

  31. Moral panic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this just another moral panic?

  32. Perceived Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For fuck sake. They ARE censoring, shadow banning, banning, suspending etc

    This is not a invalid perception, its actual reality. Liberals don't like to admit that they are ruthless cunts who will break the law and kill people to achieve their goals. Banning someone on twitter pales in comparison to this.

    1. Re:Perceived Censorship by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The biggest spike has been among Republicans, presumably because of increased concern about perceived censorship of conservative voices on social media.

      They ARE censoring, shadow banning, banning, suspending etc

      ... people who are committing acts of egregious, extremist hate speech. Are you saying that conservative beliefs are based on hate? Because a lot of Christian conservatives are going to have a real problem with that characterization.

      Racism, homophobia, and threats of violence are not indicative of what it means to be conservative any more than marching in topless protests are indicative of what it means to be liberal. The people who do those things just happen to fly that particular banner in this country right now. Just a few decades ago, it was mostly people on the left who were racist. In another hundred years, they'll have moved on to some other party.

      There will always be people who can't deal with people who they perceive as being "not like them". At best, this should be tolerated, at worst, shunned or blocked entirely. Supporting people who act like that merely because they happen to agree with you on some issues is really no different than supporting the Nazi Party (NSDAP) merely because you believed in German reunification with the other German-speaking parts of Europe, immigration reform, elimination of indentured servitude, welfare programs for the elderly, government support for small businesses, eliminating property taxes, replacing civil law (like most countries use) with common law (like what the U.S., Great Britain, and their former colonies/possessions use), building up the nation's education system, free college tuition for high-intelligence people without adequate means, banning child labor, encouraging physical fitness in children, abolishing mercenary groups, forming a national army, stamping out libel, and a strong central government.

      The Nazi Party actually had a lot of things that superficially looked like good ideas. Evil people don't win people over by being purely evil. They do it by telling you they're going to make your country rise to its full potential, to make it great again, to fix your infrastructure, to improve education, etc. But when they also spew lies and hate speech (and pretty much everybody can recognize the small minority of very vocal "conservative" voices who do exactly that), they cross a line, and those particular people should not have our support, even if we agree with their position on everything else. There are a few positions that simply cannot be tolerated in politics, and in my opinion, those clearly qualify.

      The fact that one such xenophobe managed to make it to our nation's highest office will be a great source of national shame for decades to come. The fact that he has not managed to destroy our democracy as Hitler did, nor fully convert members of his own party to that xenophobia, nor defeat the separation of powers intended by the founding fathers to prevent any one person from having too much power, by contrast, will be a source of national pride for at least as long. I said two years ago that if Trump became President, it would be the truest test of our constitutional democracy that this country had ever seen, and I've been proven correct time and time again, but the foundation of our nation holds, and that is a true testament to the wisdom of the founding fathers. There is still no wall. There is still no possibility of a wall. There is no sweeping ban on Muslim immigration. Appalling border enforcement situations have been exposed and acted upon harshly. The lunatics are still not running the asylum. And that is as it should be.

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    2. Re:Perceived Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did not read your wall of text, I stopped at "hatespeech". For fuck sake, this is the slander! The left turns to this tactic when it cannot argue with a logical thought out claim. What you are attempting to do is paint every person on the right as some kind of racist/xenophobe. This is not an argument, its slander and it makes you appear ignorant. This is exactly what the top tier social media companies are doing. Yes this will silence "good" people, and people who have nothing but love in their hearts.. but who cares right..

      censorship was shunned by the founding fathers because THEY KNEW the value of competing ideas in a free society. The left wants to control you to the cradle to the grave.. in fact they just want slavery - but that's another story. You support this because you haven't ever read a history book and have no fucking clue who started the democratic party, or what the socialists did overseas to establish their fabled/failed "utopias"..

      And for fuck sake, the Nazi's were socialists. In fact the brown shirt facists of Italy look a lot like antifa today... in fact they are exactly the same.

      wake the fuck up.

    3. Re:Perceived Censorship by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      For fuck sake, this is the slander! The left turns to this tactic when it cannot argue with a logical thought out claim. What you are attempting to do is paint every person on the right as some kind of racist/xenophobe.

      Nope. This is the slander. When you take a carefully thought out comment noting that some people in the alt-right movement are actively using the rhetoric of hate, and then claim that I said everyone on the right is that way. I did not. There are some who do. Many of those folks have gone so far across the line that they have gotten banned from platform after platform. Pro tip: If you've been banned more than once, it probably isn't because of your political views.

      censorship was shunned by the founding fathers because THEY KNEW the value of competing ideas in a free society.

      The founding fathers were against government censorship, because only the government has the power to censor people in a way that has the force of law behind it, creating a chilling effect that leaves people in fear of trying to spread their competing ideas.

      What you are talking about is not censorship, but rather the right to refuse publication. In the era of the founding fathers, printers chose what they would and would not print. If you wanted to print something else, you bought your own printing press and printed it yourself. In the same way, people with non-mainstream ideas, no matter how extreme those ideas might be, are also free to buy their own servers and publish content themselves.

      Unfortunately, what you and many on the far right are advocating is an entirely different sort of law. It would be akin to the founding fathers requiring printing presses to print anything for anyone who is willing to pay. Now I don't know about anybody else, but find it really ironic that people on the right are against any regulation of businesses all the way up until suddenly a few businesses start to say that some of their rhetoric crosses a line into unacceptable troll behavior and insist that they take it somewhere else, and suddenly those ultra-right folks want new regulations on businesses so that they can publish whatever they want on any service that they want, even if the people who own that service and the overwhelming majority of users on that service (including most Republicans) want them to go away.

      Sorry, but that's not the way the real world works. In the real world, you have a right to free speech. You do not have a right to free speech on someone else's dime. Period. Full stop. And I'm sorry if that hurts your precious little conservative snowflake ego, but too bad. And just to be clear, I would say precisely the same thing if it were a leftist making similar statements. The alt-left and alt-right are basically equally harmful to a functioning society. The only real difference is that the alt-left don't whine "they're censoring me" every time they get kicked off of a major service. They just find another rock to hide under. For all the people on the right complaining about liberals being a bunch of whiners, the right sure does whine a lot. Just food for thought.

      And for fuck sake, the Nazi's were socialists.

      Pretty much, and that largely reflects European politics in general. Had they stuck to those parts of their platform instead of slipping in the whole "master race" thing and trying to conquer Europe, they would probably still be the centrist party of Germany today. After all, Europe is still quite socialist, at least when compared with the United States. But, of course, that wasn't the point of their platform. They just used those points to push through their radical antisemitic agenda.

      In fact the brown shirt facists of Italy look a lot like antifa today... in fact they are exactly the same.

      All movements like that, regardless of politics, look an awful lot alike. For them, politics are merely a tool to enable people who crave power to take it. The purpose of voting is to at least try to keep people who crave power from taking it.

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  33. Re:Just In Survery from the rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America has no culture. That's why everything is so bland and pre-fabricated over there. It's also why shit like "Rockabilly" style exists. They are so devoid of culture that they pathetically cling to corny 1950s greaser fashion.

  34. I'm old enuff to know better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't use social media. Yes, I once made a Facebook account, had it for almost a week too, but I saw it was NOT something I wanted/needed/liked/trusted. I think the whole frickin' social media thing is hurting the human race, our social interactions, definitely politics and many other things we meat-puppets do. I was careful to use only bogus info, so none of my -real- info ever got to FB. I think people should be PAID for giving up their info. Pay me, or I'm not signing up. Fuck you and all your damned ads.

    I see my friends face/face, otherwise we have email and USPS. Two people far away talk to me by phone, voice. My phone is OFF when I go to bed, and sometimes all day too. I don't jump when someone calls. I have VM & SMS, that should be sufficient. I get my news from ~20 different places on the web. REPUTABLE, TRUSTWORTHY, ETHICAL places, places that TMK have never lied to me. I'd never trust any FB/social media for news, only fools do that.
    I'm no Luddite. There's three PCs in my place, plus the ol' lady and I have "smart"phones. I've been using/building/coding compooters since 300baud was screamin' fast.

  35. Actually, they're great for the rest of the world. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    Not so great for the US. We demonstrated to the rest of the world how stupid and easily manipulated we are in the last presidential election.
    I'm sure they had a great laugh, but they're probably not laughing so much any more. But the Russians are still laughing...

  36. Re:Just In Survery from the rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hiring Europe's professors through our work visa programs to work for us is not "IP theft". We beat you fair and legally.

    It's not a hard decision for educated elite to accept a US paycheck that pays double and takes a fraction of the taxes. They come to us in droves for the combination of pay and the real chance of private property ownership. Our pro-rich society appeals to your top 10%, which are also the ones that generate inventions and drive industry.

  37. Growing pains - social media is still young by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    When radio was new, people became addicted to it.
    When TV was new, people became addicted to it.
    Same for computers, modems, email, internet, Web, social media, etc.

    Remember when you had to constantly tell your friends not to send you those email forwards promising free money from Bill Gates? People have moved on.

    On social media, people were obsessed with photos of their restaurant meals, now it's selfies. Eventually, people will get bored with the petty stuff and start using it for what it's really good for: keeping in touch with not-so-close family and friends.

  38. Unsocial network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought social media was dumb when it first started to become popular all those years ago. I thought I was just a miserable old fogey but it turns out I was ahead of the curve.

    I don't understand why people would sleep next to their phone, unless they put it on silent/dnd all night. Having the damn thing beeping at you all night would drive me insane.

  39. social media = Dopamine feedback system/Hard Drugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Short story is... social media is exploiting a vulnerability in the human condition with a dopamine feedback loop.

    Not too much new there, lots of products do it.. But they've taken it to some extreme level which is certainly harmful to society as a whole in the same way heroin and cocaine is.

    You can't undo the like culture until you correctly identify it as a harmful stimulant.