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Influencers Are Being Paid Big Sums To Pitch Products and Thrash Rivals on Instagram and YouTube (wired.com)

"Influencers" are being paid big sums to pitch products on Instagram and YouTube. If you're trying to grow a product on social media, you either fork over cash or pay in another way. This is the murky world of influencing, reports Wired. Brands will pay influencers to position products on their desks, behind them, or anywhere else they can subtly appear on screen. Payouts increase if an influencer tags a brand in a post or includes a link, but silent endorsements are often preferred. An excerpt from the report: The suggestions started early. Months before Lashify had officially launched, one of her investors, who had ties to the cosmetics industry, pulled her aside. He told her to prepare to pay influencers to speak positively about her lashes on YouTube and Instagram. She thought he was being dramatic. He wasn't. Lotti recalls the investor saying that if she wanted Lashify to succeed, quality didn't matter, nor did customer satisfaction -- only influencers. And they didn't come cheap. She was told to expect to shell out $50,000 to $70,000 per influencer just to make her company's name known, an insane amount for a new startup. There was no way around it; that's just how things worked.

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  1. Note by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    (the same brands are also paying people to say this isn't happening)

  2. The hell you say! by Kohath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next you'll be telling me that celebrities doing product endorsements aren't genuinely enthusiastic about the products and are just doing it for money.

    My faith in the purity of ad content is shaken to the core.

    1. Re:The hell you say! by Luthair · · Score: 2

      Celebrities also used to do this more subtle endorsement where they'd be paid to use products publicly without running commercials.

    2. Re:The hell you say! by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Celebrities also used to do this more subtle endorsement where they'd be paid to use products publicly without running commercials.

      I think we're splitting hairs where we're willing to say a celebrity's compensated public use of a product doesn't classify as commercial; although subtlety is an important component of advertising, since we all think we're too smart to be influenced by advertising.

      Influencers is an interesting tag, and speaking for myself and me only, I've also never quite understood why people who can act in movies are somehow qualified to make important contributions with their opinions that suggest preference for candidates and political positions.

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    3. Re:The hell you say! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact that you call any of those frauds "successes" just shows how completely dishonest and lacking intellectual capacity the Republican party embodied here by yourself has allowed itself to degrade to.

      I wonder how you'll spin Federal prison for fraud, collusion, conspiracy and more? Good luck with the indictments next week, traitor. Not to mention "peace on the Korean peninsula" lol you retarded GOP liars crack me up.

    4. Re:The hell you say! by andydread · · Score: 2

      HAHAHAHAHAHA! you must be a paid "influncer" LMAO!

    5. Re:The hell you say! by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've also never quite understood why people who can act in movies are somehow qualified to make important contributions with their opinions that suggest preference for candidates and political positions.

      (Frowning.) Really? OK then, let's watch some TV. (Movies are OK but TV have more airtime; movies have more emotional action and excitement.) What's on? Doctor shows, lawyer shows, cops, news, comedies, "Reality" (HA!), and others. Let's take a doctor show. I'd use Doctor Kildare but most of y'all wouldn't know him. Let's take Grey's Anatomy. Confession: I hadn't seen ANY of them. Zero. But I can tell you what some of the shows are about: standard doctor prototypes.

      Doctor fights against unknown disease and cures it, or not and learns a lesson. Doctor fights against differing opinions and is finally proven right. Doctor fights hospital / insurance for dying patient and eventually wins. Caring nurses accidentally provide clues to save patents. And on, and on. Same for cop shows and the rest. Make it interesting, have some personal conflict appear to the main / supporting characters, all that.

      THE POINT BEING: You now have a relationship with the characters on the screen. You like the nice caring ones who buck the system in order to save the day. If they flub their lines they'll redo the take, so they're always "perfect." Sometimes you disagree with their choices, but be assured there won't be many of those times or they wouldn't be loved. But they'll be SOME conflict.

      Now that relationship is *two* sided, both ways. The show keeps coming on and you keep watching it, and watch the characters interact and perhaps grow a little. But not much or you couldn't miss random shows and pick up where you left off. The on-screen characters will never turn YOU off because they can't. It's their JOB to keep you watching and interested; they couldn't turn off your TV if they wanted too. Oh, and those conflicts? Adrenaline to get you excited and aroused. Not like *THAT*, but just a slight hit that you'll want more and come back NEXT WEEK for the adventures of ...

      So you have your favorite characters you like and who "like you" since they keep on speaking to you, telling you about their lives and so on. And then you see "Doctor John" aka Real Life Actor, and your sub-brain says, "That's a friend, a good guy, trying to do the right thing. I better listen to what they're saying." And you do, and maybe you like it or maybe you don't. But you're going to disassociate the news with the person with all of the OTHER information coming in, and eventually just remember someone said something, and "oh yeah that was a smart guy and maybe there's something to that, and I'm smart too so that's probably right" and quit thinking about it because someone's already done the idea-chewing and processing for you, so all you have to do is remember and occasionally regurgitate it.

      If you stop and consider the facts maybe you'll agree or not. But there's initial your starting point, the opposing view(s) now have a larger hill to climb. THAT is how Famous Media Stars influence people -- not when you're actively paying attention, but when you're NOT.

      Psst -- and remember, the actors are just coughing up lines some writer somewhere else wrote. They're not THINKING that at all (well, Method Acting), just hitting marks and cues and talking emotionally when needed.

      Lassie! Calm down, what's up? Little Timmy fell down a well? What, again? I know, let's run to the house and both have a nice steak supper and let him think about the choices he's made recently. And then we'll go to bed and if we remember, go pick him up on the way back from the store so he can help carry things. And if he's not alive, well then that's just More For Us!

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    6. Re:The hell you say! by meglon · · Score: 2

      And if you believe all that propaganda, you're a complete fucking idiot.

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    7. Re:The hell you say! by meglon · · Score: 2
      I'm sorry you're so fucking stupid you need your hand held to be able to see reality. Try pulling your head out of your ass, for once in your life.

      - tax reform, including finally fixing the highest business tax rate in the world

      The US had the third highest business taxes worldwide ON PAPER, but anyone not a lying sack of shit (unlike you) knows that's not even remotely close to the actual rate businesses are taxed. I get it, stupid fucking idiots like you can't think passed the 5 second sound bite of your hyper-partisan political fuckery, but the EFFECTIVE TAX RATE is what they actually pay...and it's not the highest at all. https://www.forbes.com/sites/e...

      "In any one of these years (2006-2012), at least two-thirds (between 67% and 72%) of all active corporations had zero tax liability after credits."

      "The average effective tax rate among the profitable large corporations was 16.1%, under federal tax treatment."

      The difference between "top marginal" and "effective" is well known, and only a complete fucking idiot or a pathological liar would keep bringing up this pathetic talking point. Which are you?

      In addition to this, the cost of this "tax reform" will add 11.7 trillion to the national debt over the next 10 years, after taking into account growth. https://www.reuters.com/articl...

      "But those growth rates will not offset the deficits, which will “increase rapidly this year and over the next few years,” then stabilize, resulting in a projected cumulative deficit of $11.7 trillion for 2018-2027, CBO forecast."

      Clearly there are no such things as fiscal conservative republicans.

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  3. Sounds like extortion by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds like extortion for the digital era. What's left unsaid, but clearly implied, is that if you don't fork over big money to influences, your product will be trashed.

    1. Re:Sounds like extortion by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Also sounds pretty much like a scam. Making the victim afraid is part of that.

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    2. Re:Sounds like extortion by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

      and that is an rico law issue

  4. I can’t believe it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am sitting here on my amazingly comfortable B&B Italia sofa, casually reading Slashdot while I enjoy a delicious Jimmy Johns sandwich with a Diet Cherry Pepsi. But I have to say - I simply can’t believe anyone would behave this unethically. From the tip of my Stetson hat to the heels of my Doc Martin shoes, I am 100% convinced that people, left to their own devices, will only recommend products they use and love.

    - Typed on my 12.9” iPad Pro

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    1. Re:I can’t believe it by gweihir · · Score: 2

      "Diet Cherry Pepsi"? Urgh. At least have some minimal standards!

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  5. I think there is a way around it by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    She was told to expect to shell out $50,000 to $70,000 per influencer just to make her company's name known, an insane amount for a new startup. There was no way around it

    At that kind of rate, knowing you would need at least a few "influencers", what I would do instead is build up my own cadre on influencers - find some kids just starting out YouTube with some makeup sense and make them offers for recording gear and a lot of makeup and vastly less cash.

    The idea that you need to pay a series of influencers $80k each comes off as really seeming like a scam. Sure at the top level the elite of YouTube are truly influencers - but at the mid tier where you would pay $80k? I don't think so.

    Read this great summary of someone that tried to use middle-tier YouTube celebs to drive sales. It did not work at all. Granted it was a different field but the approach seemed sound given the assumption that YouTube videos really influence people.

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    1. Re:I think there is a way around it by geekmux · · Score: 2

      She was told to expect to shell out $50,000 to $70,000 per influencer just to make her company's name known, an insane amount for a new startup. There was no way around it

      At that kind of rate, knowing you would need at least a few "influencers", what I would do instead is build up my own cadre on influencers - find some kids just starting out YouTube with some makeup sense and make them offers for recording gear and a lot of makeup and vastly less cash.

      The idea that you need to pay a series of influencers $80k each comes off as really seeming like a scam. Sure at the top level the elite of YouTube are truly influencers - but at the mid tier where you would pay $80k? I don't think so.

      Let me clarify how this works from the investor standpoint.

      Buy a top-tier influencer = Get top-tier results.

      Buy a Kardashian = Get Kardashian results.

      Buy "some kids just starting out on YouTube" = Get...amateur results. At best.

      You really think investors have time to be waiting around for some unknown Narcissist with A Dream to strike it lucky playing the YouTube lottery in order to get a product off the ground, trying to target a consumer attention span that's shorter than a squirrel on crack?

      I don't think so.

      Bottom line is a 21st Century business prospectus just got a million or two larger for the digital age. And investors shouldn't bitch about those costs given the "gone viral" results they now demand. It's now apparently a part of doing business.

  6. And what if its politics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And what if the influencers are there to deceive voters during elections? What if the money is foreign even? Or sourced from criminal funds for criminal purposes?

    Someone paid James Edward O'Keefe III, aka Project Veritas to make fake that fake Acorn video and pay off the lawsuits he lost as a result. This is no small amount.

    If you look at FACT, a money laundering front for conservative causes, that's funding everything from fake videos, to astroturfing to "Judicial Crisis Network'... promoting Brett Kavanaugh. ...

    It was run by Whitaker, Trump's new pick for DOJ head, and he got paid $900k from it in 9 months alone just before being appointed to Trump's DOJ.

    That's a huge money laundering outfit there funding a lot of astroturfing.

    https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/vbabz9/what-we-know-about-fact-the-conservative-watchdog-that-paid-trumps-ag-dollar12-million

    You can't really pretend its a minor thing here. It certainly isn't.

  7. "quality doesn't matter"... by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

    ...Lotti recalls the investor saying that if she wanted Lashify to succeed, quality didn't matter, nor did customer satisfaction -- only influencers. And they didn't come cheap. She was told to expect to shell out $50,000 to $70,000 per influencer just to make her company's name known, an insane amount for a new startup. There was no way around it; that's just how things worked.

    Welcome to the gig economy. By day, Lyft driver. By night, paid shill for Infowars, Walmart and Monsanto.

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  8. Keats Redux by Mandrel · · Score: 2

    'Money is truth, truth money' - that is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

  9. It's because they're _actors_ by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    they're good an making you believe they're something they're not. It's kind of their thing. It's why we get so many actors in politics (and why they tend to be among the worst). Their job is literally to make you believe something that is not true...

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  10. E.D. and squandered breadcrumbs of power by epine · · Score: 2

    Influencers is an interesting tag, and speaking for myself and me only, I've also never quite understood why people who can act in movies are somehow qualified to make important contributions with their opinions that suggest preference for candidates and political positions.

    You're not reading enough Jordan Peterson. What women want (from their male romantic partners) is competence. Women generally favour a particular competence signal: societal attention / societal approval (if the attention signal is large enough, the approval half of the signal is irrelevant). Commanding the center of societal attention is a universal proxy for power. All forms of wealth command attention: conspicuous wealth, foolish wealth, (mostly) concealed wealth, grasping wealth, tight-fisted wealth. You will never sleep alone (nor without one hand on your pocket book).

    Celebrity is almost by definition a top-drawer competence proxy.

    For some reason, one of our core social heuristics is to emulate role models (those with power) by aping their behaviours, even the cynical behaviours we know they put on merely to exploit the unwashed.

    I think the problem here is that a celebrity figure's ability to get away with these cynical behaviours in plain sight amplifies the power signal more than enough to compensate for the blowback signal of self-interested disgust at overlord overreach. (The balance likely depends on your own self-esteem curve.)

    Then there's this other problem: a part of our brain is wired to presume that the mass behaviour of a billion people with low self-esteem filters can never be wrong.

    Most people have more power than they realize. The problem is that you can't directly witness the loops of cause and effect.

    If more people possessed explanatory depth—discussed at length in The Knowledge Illusion (2017) by Steven Sloman—it wouldn't be possible for know-nothing influencers to hijack commercial success.

    From the corporate side, given a choice between customer A with explanatory depth, and customer B without explanatory depth, you might do fine with customer A in a B2B setting, but you definitely want customer B in a B2C setting.

    Given enough power, you can actually shift the balance in the population at large from type A dominance to type B dominance, as Apple has done so successfully since introducing the first iPhone (Apple was long attempting to ride this dragon, and nearly bankrupt itself in a fire while doing so, but then the rewards were spectacular once the dragon finally took flight).

    I've been reading review after review about how the 2018 Mac mini basically appeals to no-one with any vestige of explanatory depth, except under the general category of "well, if it's sufficiently inconvenient to escape the Apple tent altogether, this is the cheapest way to cling to the outskirts, and might even qualify as a reasonable purchase if your work load particularly needs compute, but never pushes a pixel at an animated frame rate; or you've got some kind of weird office aesthetic where having a shiny little recycled aluminum box with all kinds of crap hanging off the back on short and expensive interconnects is your idea of a glamorous rat's nest".

    The Apple product literature doesn't even supply anyone with explanatory depth so much as a Bathroom Reader of Mac mini technical disclosure. I had to find some obscure enthusiast forum and wade through a hundred Comments of Dreck to find out that the 128 GB SSD option has half the write throughput of the 256 GB SSD option (with another increment at 512 GB, but not nearly so substantial, especially at the GIANT cost increment).

    There's no online block diagram at even the highest level of the T2 chip. There's a block diagram of the marketing department's view of Alpine Ridge from about three years ago, that does as much to confuse as to reveal. Silicon vendors like Newark sell some of the older Intel TB3 parts, but not a single one of these listings comes w

  11. carpetbagger by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

    Time to stop calling them "influencers" and call them what they really are, pitch whores.