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Rising Seas Give Island Nation a Stark Choice: Relocate or Elevate (nationalgeographic.com)
Climate change means the low-lying Marshall Islands must consider drastic measures, including building new artificial islands. National Geographic: The navigational prowess of Marshall Islanders is legendary. For thousands of years, Marshallese have embraced their watery environment, building a culture on more than 1,200 islands scattered across 750,000 square miles of ocean. But powerful tropical cyclones, damaged reefs and fisheries, worsening droughts, and sea-level rise threaten the coral reef atolls of this large ocean state, forcing the Marshallese to navigate a new reality.
In a moment of reckoning, Marshall Islanders face a stark choice: relocate or elevate. One idea being considered is the construction of a new island or raising an existing one. With 600 billion tons of melting ice flowing into oceans that are absorbing heat twice as fast as 18 years ago, the Marshallese will need to move fast. A report published by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in October highlighted different projected outcomes from a temperature rise of 1.5C versus 2C.
In the report, small-island developing states are identified as being at disproportionately higher risk of adverse consequences of global warming. Among them, four atoll nations: Kiribati, Tuvalu, the Maldives, and the Marshall Islands, are at greatest risk. [...] In July, speaking at a climate change conference on Majuro, capital of the Marshall Islands, University of Hawaii climate scientist Chip Fletcher discussed possible adaptation measures. When Fletcher presented a map depicting Majuro flooded under three feet of water, there was an audible gasp in the room. For climate activists in the Pacific, "1.5 to stay alive," has been the mantra of survival. "We're going to miss 1.5C," Fletcher told his audience, but added, "there's something we can do about it."
In a moment of reckoning, Marshall Islanders face a stark choice: relocate or elevate. One idea being considered is the construction of a new island or raising an existing one. With 600 billion tons of melting ice flowing into oceans that are absorbing heat twice as fast as 18 years ago, the Marshallese will need to move fast. A report published by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in October highlighted different projected outcomes from a temperature rise of 1.5C versus 2C.
In the report, small-island developing states are identified as being at disproportionately higher risk of adverse consequences of global warming. Among them, four atoll nations: Kiribati, Tuvalu, the Maldives, and the Marshall Islands, are at greatest risk. [...] In July, speaking at a climate change conference on Majuro, capital of the Marshall Islands, University of Hawaii climate scientist Chip Fletcher discussed possible adaptation measures. When Fletcher presented a map depicting Majuro flooded under three feet of water, there was an audible gasp in the room. For climate activists in the Pacific, "1.5 to stay alive," has been the mantra of survival. "We're going to miss 1.5C," Fletcher told his audience, but added, "there's something we can do about it."
I am pretty sure this was decided a long time ago - I read tons of articles about it
China has the best expertise in redeveloping low lying islands. They will help and gain military bases as part of their string of pearls if no one else does.
If not that it's about time we see if we can support populations living self sustainably on aircraft carrier like ships.
There's an island in the harbor in Sydney, Australia. Back in 1865, they build a stone fortification on the island. You can see a few photos of Fort Denison through the years on the Wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... You can plainly see that the sea level rise since 1865 to the present day is approximately zero.
Data shows that coral-based islands (like the Marshalls) are growing. Eighty percent are either stable or growing. Tuvalu has added 3% more land in the last 50 years, and the Maldives, which famously held a cabinet meeting underwater to show their nation is doomed has no change in land area over the last 60 years.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Didn't we nuke them before? Maybe it's time to relocate the people once and for all and resume any testing needed to modernize our stockpile.
We're already at 1-1.2 degrees C since the start of the industrial revolution. None of the countries on the planet are anywhere close to meeting their emissions pledges. We're going to be significantly above 1.5 degrees within a decade, if not sooner. We need to be planning for +8.0 degrees, not 1.5.
I don't respond to AC's.
That is 3 of the 6 latest stories on slashdots front page that are about climate change, guess we know msmash favorite topic.
Slashdot should change the tag to, news for alarmists, stuff that we are over
1. Seas are rising.
2. That Wikipedia page doesn't show shit. You can't "plainly" see anything.
I don't respond to AC's.
I don't see why we can't dredge the plastic out of the ocean and use it to build up these islands. It's a win-win.
I was under the impression that atolls naturally collapse back into the sea over a period of several hundreds of years.
Ocean level changes not with standing, isn't this part of the natural collapse of land back into the ocean?
No. They wouldnâ(TM)t have but Fukushima so close to the ocean if that happened
If you read your own link, you'll find since 1862 sea level has risen about 0.25 feet. That is hardly anything, and again, if you look at the data you posted it has actually FALLEN very slightly since 1950.
Also doesn't the rather large jump around 1950 with no other rise since kind of speak to the measurement method having changed?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Do you seriously believe that nonsense or are you trolling? The AGW religious nutters are so extreme it is hard to tell the difference between their belief-based anti-science stand and people mocking them.
That's why they're worried
Here is a National Geographic Article arguing Pacific Islands are growing not shrinking and the Marshal Islands are included. The propaganda of global warming makes my stomach sick. What kinda sick fucks keep pushing this god damn bullshit.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/150213-tuvalu-sopoaga-kench-kiribati-maldives-cyclone-marshall-islands/
They need to start their undersea lifestyle sooner than later.
The irony in calling scientists religious, when it is the one ideology that begs to be proven wrong every day. Unlike actual religion.
Surprise, surprise, surprise!
I currently live on Long Island, NY. If the seas rise just a little bit, all this expensive real estate out here will be gone, just gone and all the millions of humans that live here now will have to relocate. Well, life is changing, I suppose. Humans are adaptable to change. If the Artic pole melts away fully, hey!, new real estate! Yay us! /s
Just in Florida at the beaches had a great time plan on going back in 6 months. When I hear the propagandists saying "Denier" it reminds me of Nazis screaming the word Jew.
Just redefine sea level to be lower, that's all! Worked for Colonel Stuart.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
Sell them to climate change deniers. By their logic, it should be a nice deal.
Table-ized A.I.
This is an old post describing how coral atolls float and effectively keep pace with the rise and fall of sea level.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/20...
And there have been numerous recent reports showing that island (e.g. Tuvalu) is indeed growing.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/20...
From Nature communications:
Patterns of island change and persistence offer alternate adaptation pathways for atoll nations
Paul S. Kench, Murray R. Ford & Susan D. Owen
Abstract
Sea-level rise and climatic change threaten the existence of atoll nations. Inundation and erosion are expected to render islands uninhabitable over the next century, forcing human migration. Here we present analysis of shoreline change in all 101 islands in the Pacific atoll nation of Tuvalu. Using remotely sensed data, change is analysed over the past four decades, a period when local sea level has risen at twice the global average (~3.90±0.4mm.yr1). Results highlight a net increase in land area in Tuvalu of 73.5ha (2.9%), despite sea-level rise, and land area increase in eight of nine atolls. Island change has lacked uniformity with 74% increasing and 27% decreasing in size. Results challenge perceptions of island loss, showing islands are dynamic features that will persist as sites for habitation over the next century, presenting alternate opportunities for adaptation that embrace the heterogeneity of island types and their dynamics.
When a scientist makes a prediction, and it turns up wrong, he modifies his theory.
Not so with climate "scientists".
Everything is either or with you guys. So what if it's bleedin' damp.
Taking a break from your shift at the glory hole in the Pilot Travel Center off of I81 near your house again?
To Be Flooded - in BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS! God Is ANGRY And HE WILL DOOM ALL HEATHENS TO HELL! As God As My Witness I Speak The Truth! The Trump Truth! So Help Me Trump! It Makes Sense When You Study This In Derpth!
Red tide is not brought on by climate change. Pollutants in the water (fertilizer) result in optimal conditions for red tide. One has to better manage farming practices inland to prevent the pollutants from running off into the ocean. Warmer water temperatures could also be a factor - but minor compared to the impact of pollutants.
Warmer waters are a precondition for dinoflagellae, the nitrates give them a food source that allows them to saturate the water when they die making it anaerobic in addition to the neurotoxic domoic acid they excrete. Both are required.
Stop pretending you're a marine biologist who knows definitively what you're talking about when you don't. Red tide favorable conditions are indeed obviously part of climate change in some places, and you don't know how much.
No, we don't need some layman's loose guess about which is worse, it varies from place to place and both are bad news because the result is dead zones and possibly eventually loss of species. Yes, climate change influences that.
Lie casually again and you lose a finger.
Quite the skilled propagandist you are.
I read data from the graph at the link that *you* provided... are you saying the link you provided was propaganda?
Trust me, it didn't take a lot of skill to read data from a chart. But, apparently it's more effort than you put in.
".25 of a foot" huh? Who measures seal level rises that way?
Sorry, didn't think you would understand what "mm" meant. You are just an AC after all. You can go back to your link again and find the same numbers I did any time you like, in mm directly from the chart on measured levels. I guess maybe you did and because the numbers were so large you thought it meany the increase was really large? Maybe you didn't bother to subtract the start from the end? Is that why you posted the link with such obvious pride despite it saying the opposite of what you were claiming?
I'll note you did not even attempt to answer the questions I posed, so perhaps the concept of "mm" is beyond you after all.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Pleas dvote troll.
You're a liar who has no background in science or even the plausible pseudo-literacy to try to pretend you know what you're talking about.
At this point, anyone still preaching climate change is sounding very much like an end-of-the-world religious nutcase.
By all means, carry on.
The boundaries of countries/continents change all the time even millions of years before humans arrived. Sucks to be them but hopefully they will find somewhere to relocate to.
^^^ LMAO check out this guy's comment
gweihir KNOWS u IMPERSONATE me https://it.slashdot.org/commen... c6gunner proves it https://linux.slashdot.org/com... he forgot to SUBMIT as AC & using his registered 'lusrname' instead (because he tried to mock me both BEFORE & after I FAIRLY challenged him to show he's done better work - he had ZERO).
& NO WAY I'd "cry" like you "playing victim ne'er-do-wells" on /. (TROLL /.ers, not all) OR post on hosts offtopic.
YOU HELPED ME https://science.slashdot.org/c... (& you quit trying to make me look bad trying to "tell lies" on hosts as "ME" IN YOUR IMPERSONATIONS of me e.g. https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... as regards Intel speculative execution attack? Hosts PREVENT 'EM)
APK
P.S.=> I KNOW the 2nd to last link above's KILLING YOU - YOU ACTUALLY HELPED ME getting me to see if hosts stop more than portsmash (& Meltdown + Spectre too) & "lo & behold" - hosts WORK on 'em - U LOSE... apk
That's the usual response from an idiot when he doesn't have the facts on his side. Care to be civilized for a change?
You don't need to dredge the plastic out of the ocean. Catch it at the river flows in the Asian countries who are dumping most of it into the sea.
It's not mostly coming from the West.
Fukushima is on the main island of Japan, not on an atoll.
Without any 'climate change' at all but continual fertilizer flow, red tide would continue.
Would my middle finger suffice? No, you can't keep it. Just stare at it and gibber some more.
It is unfortunately common for liberal ACs to resort to threats of violence and homophobic slander in the face of reason and facts.
First off, 'progressives' who would be fighting 'Fox News and Breitbart' people would never use the term 'faggot'. You're just a crapflooder, and if you want your gibberish to have any impact at all in these discussions, you need to quit using the homophobic slur 'faggot.'
But you're just a mindless crapflooder spamming here to stink things up, so it doesn't really matter. I wish that Slashdot would come up with an effective mechanism to remove your comments.
Are seemingly half the articles on /. about "global warming" today?
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I am not a "climate denier". Since "Globull warming" is more of a RELIGIOUS nature, the proper term is "Climate Heretic".
I am a Climate Heretic.
But none of the nations that ARE bound by the treaty, such as France and Germany, are reducing their CO2 emissions at all.
You are an idiot. All countries are reducing their output significantly.
Germany reduced its CO2 output greatly, we are still ahead of the USA. And we do this continuously since a long time, so the effect is much bigger than the puny reduction the USA did in the last 5-10 years. As far as I know the grant nation of USA is in terms of "percentual" reduction at rank 2 or rank 3. BEHIND Germany. And the point is: the USA could have started 20 years earlier, like Germany did, which would have had an GIGANTIC impact.
Not that any of this matters, since the Sun is probably going into a period of slightly reduced output.
No it isn't. It is at a minimum since roughly 15 years, unexpectedly long.
And Germany is closing their nuclear power plants, so they also have apparently given up trying to meet their CO2 reduction targets. We produce two times more electric energy with renewables than we ever produced with nuclear power.
There are a few things to consider: you want riots? Or you want to continue the exit from nuclear? As you don't live in Germany: that is not your choice.
The Chinese are building MANY new coal-fired plants, so they will never be able to reduce their CO2 emissions. So, they are not able to shut the plants down later? For what reason? Or electrify road traffic and ban gasoline for private/corporate use, to compensate for coal CO2 with less gasoline CO2? For what reason?
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
I already watched the documentary starring Kevin Costner way back in 1995.
let surplus country donate an island, dont fight nature and spend money.
Didn't the Telegraph report this? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/tuvalu/7799503/Pacific-islands-growing-not-shrinking-due-to-climate-change.html
Objective facts and logic are Enlightenment-Age tools of the Western white male patriarchy which they've used to oppress the rest of the world. Employing them in a debate or discussion is equivalent to a physical attack.
Why are you being so violent?
It's not the real APK. I don't think he's even posting here any more.
It's definitely not the real APK. I have old old beef, and almost kinship too, with APK, which I've tried to bait him to reveal (so I can then wind him up - nobody's perfect). No satisfaction. lol! The reason he can't go back that far in his "memory" is because this guy isn't as good as APK was at managing his AC posts - maybe APK manually kept an offline database of all his AC CID's and SID's.
The original APK was an intelligent and amusing sparring partner, and he used the hidden mechanisms of /. with skill and very deftly. This one (many of them?) is but a shade of APK, a poor copycat. So say I. And so says my UID and posting history. Thank you for reading this far. Now get off my lawn poor copycat.
Maybe I'll open an "APK museum" on a hidden SID - or maybe just let him die. What's best? What really happened to APK? Someone's got to care about him, surely! Obnoxious twats (me) giving a damn about other obnoxious twats, who would've thunkit?
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Also, where's my hook-nosed bitch troll gone? I enjoyed the jewess rant I was getting below my post every time I BTFO'd someone with facts!
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And they can move again.
for the love of God, the seas have been rising for 14000 years. What kind of survival strategy was it to live on an island anyway?
Obama and Shrub aren't. DAESH do fuck all compared to the USA, so that doesn't count either.
Try again, deluded merkin.
OR are you completely fucking idiotically insane about the meaning of settled science. It's AGW. Settled. Gravity is what keeps you down. Settled. Get over it, denier fuckwits.
So the Telegraph is a den of Denier propagandists?
Good to know.
Time to let their advertisers, their ISPs, domain registrars, and their hosting providers know, too.
It's even more unfortunate when Kendall pulls this kind of shit hoping to drum up sympathy for himself, which is all this is.
What? You thought APK was the only one who could pretend to be "other people"?
Because they kept whining "where are the evacuations the IPCC promised us?!?!?!? FRAUD!!!!". Are you saying that the deniers just claimed this because they neither knew nor wanted to know about this old news when it was new and rebutted their whinge?
Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.
Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.
This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Mark Zuckerberg stole the Winklevoss twins' code for Fakebook (figures as he is a thieving low jew too).
Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...
Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer
"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer Â- so I wasnÂ't lying Â- and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveÂ" Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...
Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread, infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Finkelstein also admits JEWS DID 9/11 (perpetrated by the Mossad & Bebe Netanyahu of ISRAEL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?... profiting by it (and that 3,000 jews employed there did not show up for work that day knowing about it beforehand).
Finkelstein also admits JEWS are going to destroy the U.S. Dollar and dumping it for other world currencies and gold to destroy the United States.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis.
Zucker now FIRED @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
Bernie Madoff (who made off with everyone's money, especially construction union pensions) shows the thieving nature of the JUDEN!
Eric Schmidt had to step down @ JEWgle (a jew).
Adam Schiff (gosh s
ELEVATE! EXTERMINATE!
Yep, this is what you sound like.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
When it comes to an island mindset, nobody beats them...
I used to be a missionary like you but then I took an arrow in everything.
webmistressrachel You killed yourself LONG ago: "Successfully winding up a troll like apk is more satisfying than it should be" https://developers.slashdot.or...
So tell us another one - you're THE MORON doing the impersonations of me, no questions asked, because you're a MENTALLY DISTURBED piece of DAMAGED GOODS (& you KNOW it).
(I don't keep "kinship" w/ IDLE HANDS = the DEVIL's WORKSHOP freaks like YOU who've nothing BETTER to do than be gossip/rumor mongering LYING hags...)
APK
P.S.=> She speaks for herself quoted above... apk
THIS is your Darwin test. Will you pass or fail?
It isn't just islands, but people who live in coastal areas world-wide.
Change is the only constant in the world. As humans, we can predict a few things in the future and take steps to minimize our risks.
You killed yourself LONG ago webmistressrachel: "Successfully winding up a troll like apk is more satisfying than it should be" https://developers.slashdot.or...
So tell us another one - you're THE MORON doing the impersonations of me, no questions asked, because you're a MENTALLY DISTURBED piece of DAMAGED GOODS (& you KNOW it).
(I don't keep "kinship" w/ IDLE HANDS = the DEVIL's WORKSHOP w/ freaks like YOU who've nothing BETTER to do than be gossip/rumor mongering LYING hags...)
APK
P.S.=> She speaks for herself quoted above... apk
When you claim AGW has computer models, you don't even have an experiment. So please tell me how you prove without sums (which is all a computer model is) gravity is a law and "settled science".
Come on, fuckwit, try it. Double fucking dog dare you.
Al Gore STILL doesn't have an ocean side house, no matter how many times you watch the same denier fuckit claim it. It's 4km away from the seashore and several hundred meters ASL.
"Not settled" is to you "I dont agree with your conclusion", nothing more, nothing less. DEFINITELY did not say it was "reproducible experiment" was to you "I don't agree". But clearly I am speaking to someone who cannot live outside their own internal echo chamber.
So, to make use of baby words to fit inside that fucked up so-called "mind" of yours, you haven't done any experiment to show that gravity exists, you just ASSERT that IF YOU HAD, you'd accept it.
Yet you STILL IGNORE the FACT that AGW *IS* repeatable. CO2's absorption, the source of the CO2, the amount of CO2 increasing and its effect on the global heat budget ARE 100% ABSOLUTELY REPEATABLE EXPERIMENTS. Doable in your own home. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Yet despite the FACT you COULD do it, suddenly it's not enough for you to accept AGW as scientifically settled the same way gravity is. So you HAVE to pretend that you were challenged something other than what appears in reality.
Sad.
Go do an experiment to prove the law of universal gravitation, prove it exists.
Then go speak to the flat earthers that are 100% your equivalent in science denial and see how fucking stupid and ignorant your claims are when they're made to something that doesn't rub your ideology up the wrong way therefore will gladly accept is true.
Asshole.