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In a Wide-Ranging Interview, Elon Musk Talks About Visiting Mars, Battle To Keep Tesla Afloat, and Neuralink (medium.com)

Elon Musk reckons there's a 70 percent chance he'll go to Mars, even as he knows there's a good chance he won't survive there. "I'm talking about moving there," the SpaceX and Tesla CEO said in a wide-ranging, but brief interview with Axios on HBO. "We've recently made a number of breakthroughs that I'm just really fired up about."

In the interview, he also spoke about Neuralink, the company he launched last year to build brain-enhancing implants. "The long-term aspiration of Neuralink would be to achieve a symbiosis with artificial intelligence," he said. "If we have billions of people with a high-bandwidth link to an AI extension of themselves, it would actually make everyone hyper-smart."

Musk also revealed that Tesla had been "single-digit weeks" away from death with the company "bleeding" cash as it ramped up Model 3 production. He said he was worried about imploding and that the stress of working seven days a week and sleeping at the Tesla factory was very painful."It hurts my brain and my heart," said Musk, who recently publicly urged people to explore electric cars, even if they come from companies Tesla competes with.

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  1. Model 3 Yaaay by stooo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the good thing is, Tesla is on the right track now....

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    1. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the good thing is, Tesla is on the right track now....

      No, the good thing is that as Tesla succeeds, it forces other companies to make competing offers. Tesla Motors lit a fire under all the car makers and now they are scrambling to catch up. Without Tesla Motors electric cars would still be in the "well it's a nice idea..." category.

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    2. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

      At least they are producing the long and mid range Model 3 now, and they are making many of them. Which is good, there aren't that many options on the market with comparable range (around 400km), price and specs. You have the Hyundai Kona and the Kia e-Niro, and not much else. And the waiting lists for those already stretches to over a year, they just don't make enough of them. Huyndai expects to make 30.000 EVs a year... less than Tesla makes in a month.

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    3. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tesla made quite a few advances in battery tech and the production of batteries (together with Panasonic), their batteries are by far the cheapest per kWh. They also put a lot of effort into battery charging and conditioning, something that other automakers still struggle with, especially when it comes to fast charging (BMW and the Hyundai Ioniq had issues with that). Other automakers are building on the lessons learned from the Tesla drivetrains. So while they didn't invent the electric car, it's fair to say that they re-invented it with a great many innovations. Other auto makers are catching up and in a few cases like low-range EVs they are pulling ahead, but Tesla is still beating them on volume. Hell, Tesla is beating Mercedes on overall sales, in the US.

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    4. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by andydread · · Score: 4, Insightful

      c'mon... you know he didn't say anything about inventing the electric car. Tesla made electric cars cool. Tesla proved that electric cars can spank the hell out of ICE cars in dramatic fashion from acceleration to handling (due to dramatically lower CG). That made electric cars cool to the public and drove demand. Tesla is doing it the free-market way. You know this so I don't understand the point of your comment.

    5. Re: Model 3 Yaaay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you are intellectually honest and want to hold Tesla liable for "murdering" with their cars, then you better haul in every single other car manufacturer too.

      Here's a hint: if you use autopilot, you are still responsible for the safe operation of the vehicle, and the vehicle tells you so before it allows you to turn on Autopilot. Also, Autopilot is clearly stated for use on divided highways only, so anyone that crashes into stopped vehicles on surface streets because of Autopilot is already at three strikes: 1. not keeping control of their vehicle; 2. not heeding the legal warnings about use; and 3. using it outside of the intended bounds as clearly stated in the instructions.

      Go anonymously fuck yourself.

    6. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's because they are "compliance" cars - they only exist because of California regulations that require them to exist or pay money to competitors with credits to sell (such as Tesla).

      Traditional auto makers and their network of dealerships make way too much money on maintenance for them to give up on internal combustion so quickly.

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    7. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Informative

      The point of his comment was to troll. That's what he does.

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    8. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hyundai had no need to develop an electric Kona to comply with regulations, as they are already producing the Ioniq. But they sell almost all of these in Europe anyway; apparently Hyundai (who have to comply with CARB since 2017) will offer another compliance car in California: a hydrogen fuel cell powered car, for lease only. Besides compliance, they are probably interesting in further exploring the technology; a couple have appeared on the road here in the Netherlands as well.

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    9. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the good thing is, Tesla is on the right track now....

      No, the good thing is that as Tesla succeeds, it forces other companies to make competing offers.

      They're both good. Tesla being on the right track means they stay around longer, which means they exert more pressure on the other automakers, which is the thing you like.

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    10. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      False:

      https://www.theguardian.com/fo...

      https://slate.com/technology/2...

      Using this independent emissions calculator with a Model 3 in a zip code where basically 100% of the electricity comes from coal (an East suburb of Cincinnati, Ohio), it is still producing 1/2 of the carbon emissions of the average ICE-powered vehicle. It's even more compelling if you are in a zip code with a more clean energy mix, such as Portland, Oregon. (less than 1/4 the emissions) The up-front carbon cost to manufacture will be higher than an ICE, but the far lower operating carbon output will cross over into net-savings within a year or two.

      Are they completely clean transportation? Clearly, no; and nothing is - not even walking. But they are "cleaner" which is what my earlier statement said. And now I've provided independent sources to back that up, with their reasoning and research attached.

      Go away, troll.

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    11. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's doubtful. VW is out saying how they'll have a "Model 3 Killer", in what, 2023? That's so far out it can easily slip to double that.

      I would rather buy an electric pickup from Ford, given that they know how to build a body that can haul rock, pull stumps, and plow snow for three decades, but it doesn't look like I'm going to get that chance. My 25-yr-old ICE Chevy pickup will probably get replaced with a Tesla five years before Ford has their first FE-250 in the showrooms.

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    12. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Tesla deserves a lot of credit, but they were not the only ones driving this revolution.

      Nissan produced an affordable, practical EV that figured out a lot of the basic issues with an electric drivetrain, from the instrumentation to the integration with existing car tech to how to sell it to the public. They also built large rapid charging networks in several countries.

      There are many more too, especially in the commercial vehicle space. People said busses were too large to go electric, so BYD and others build 450kWh batteries and proved they worked just fine. LG have made a huge breakthrough in getting the battery cost down by using flat "pouch" cells (like in phones) rather than cylindrical ones. Hyundai and Kia have developed the most efficient EV drivetrains and figured out how to subtly adjust the bodywork to make their vehicles look "normal" but also get excellent range.

      So credit where credit is due. Tesla gets a lot of press but they are only the performance end of the market, they don't even make an affordable model and are only a bit player in many important markets like Europe, Japan and China.

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    13. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anyone who rides around in a vehicle that only the 0.01% can afford and claims it is "green" is a complete douchebag, which fits in with Musk fanboys.

      The Tesla 3 could probably be called overpriced- but it is in fact only 10k (25% more) than the median new car price in the US. You certainly have to be better of than average to afford it; but "0.01% of population can afford" is a huge exaggeration. In reality probably about half the population COULD afford it if they really wanted to and made sacrifices elsewhere- and 25% of total population in US COULD probably afford it comfortably.

      Can you get a better (more luxurious anyway) car for the price? Yeah, certainly, but a significant % of people could afford it if they really wanted to.

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    14. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Their batteries are not the cheapest. South Korean manufacturers like LG are ahead on that front.

      Not only are LG packs cheaper per kWh, the have longer warranties too. Hyundai and Kia are offering an unlimited warranty in the US, unlimited time and miles. In the rest of the world the warranty is longer than Tesla's too. LG packs also have more than adequate thermal management (including heating).

      Tesla packs are competitive, no doubt, but they are not exceptional or magical. Where they are doing very well is on production numbers, ramping up as fast as anyone.

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    15. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      Moving the goalposts each time you're shown to be wrong.

      If someone is going to buy a new car, they are going to buy a new car regardless of your wishes of what they do with their resources. If they buy a Tesla (or any other EV) they will emit less carbon over the lifetime of the vehicle than if they buy an ICE-powered car. Thus, the EV is cleaner. QED.

      Feel free to STFU now. The claim was "cleaner" which is true and supported by linked research and statistics, and you cannot argue that so you desperately try to talk about anything else, such as your completely made-up percentages about global income and affordability, with exactly zero evidence to back it up. All of it is a poor attempt at misdirection from the fact that you are wrong.

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    16. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by Gavagai80 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      0.001%? Electric cars are 39% of new car sales in Norway, 8% in California, and around 5% in China. If you live in a backwater that can't even keep up with China, maybe it's not relevant to your area yet.

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    17. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

      Tesla deserves a lot of credit, but they were not the only ones driving this revolution. Nissan produced an affordable, practical EV that figured out a lot of the basic issues with an electric drivetrain, from the instrumentation to the integration with existing car tech to how to sell it to the public.

      The Nissan Leaf is a great car for what it does, and what it does is what most people actually need. In its way it was, and is, quite as groundbreaking as the Tesla.

      What Tesla did, however, was different: what they did was to change the entire mindset about electric cars. Before Tesla, what people thought about with electric cars was "ok, maybe they work, but they're basically glorified golf carts, ok I guess if you are ok with being poky and not driving very far." What Tesla did was make the public think OMG, electric cars are awesome!

      Not just "they are almost as good as gas cars", but "they blow away ordinary gas cars; this is a premium vehicle, you want one of these."

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    18. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      The plant closings have little to do with electric cars, and much to do with the fact that American sedans have steeply declined in popularity over the past decade.

      To whit, Ford did the same thing last year, for the same reasons - slough off the models that are costing us money so we can focus on moving the brand forward.

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    19. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by Solandri · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tesla, Nissan, GM are not the ones driving the EV revolution. CARB (California Air Resources Board) is. They introduced a ZEV mandate in 2012(?). Every year, each auto manufacturer must sell a certain percentage of Zero Emissions Vehicles (right now mostly EVs, though Toyota has a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle). A manufacturer who fails to meet that percentage must buy credits from a company which exceeded theirs (i.e. Tesla - this is the whole reason Musk set up the company - he realized he could sell EVs at a loss and still compete with ICE vehicles by selling the credits). A manufacturer who fails to buy enough credits is banned from selling cars in California. And since about a dozen states automatically adopt CARB's guidelines, they'd be banned from selling cars in about a third of the U.S. by population.

      No manufacturer wants to be cut off from that much of the U.S. market, so they are all tripping over themselves developing EVs for sale. If they can't sell enough of them, they run sales and incentives to move enough of them off the lots so they can hit the percentage. That's why there are occasionally those crazy deals on EV leases in 2015 and 2016 (best I saw was $49/mo for 3 years for a VW eGolf). And that's why those crazy deals are only available in California (only EVs sold in California count towards the ZEV mandate).

      In other words, the percentage of car sales which are EVs is not organic. It's pre-ordained by CARB. The formula is a bit complex, but for 2018 it's about 2.5% of vehicle sales which need to be ZEVs. For 2025 it's about 8%.

      CARB has tried this before. They were first set to implement the ZEV mandate in 2000. That's why GM invested nearly a billion dollars developing the EV-1. By 1999, theirs was the only vehicle which could meet the ZEV mandate. GM stood to make billions of dollars licensing the technology to other automakers. The other automakers petitioned CARB saying that technology just wasn't developed enough to produce viable ZEVs, and the best they could do at the time was a hybrid drivetrain (which environmentalists initially hated because they derive all their energy from gasoline). CARB relented and rescinded the ZEV mandate, pulling the rug out from under GM and basically flushing their billion dollar investment down the toilet. In retaliation, GM recalled every EV-1 and destroyed them, and locked up their research in a basement file cabinet so that California would never benefit from their double-cross.

    20. Re:Model 3 Yaaay by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      You realize that nobody can afford new cars at the median price point either right?

      That this is the reason used prices are starting to shoot through the roof?

      I make well over average income and have never been able to afford a new car, and the most I've ever spent is $12k. Currently trying to keep my girlfriend and I's now-dodgy mid-2000s cars running since I'm not in a position to replace either, even with a newer used car. Not even sure I'd want a car on the market right now, they're all full of computer tech that can't be good for more than 6 or 7 years.

      People can't "afford" them but buy them anyone to keep up with the neighbors- all on credit, which hurts them in the end. I've never understood it. I took the sensible route myself and got a nice subcompact for half the median price. I could probably "afford" a $35k+ car/SUV, but then I wouldn't be able to afford something else. I've never felt the need to impress the neighbors by driving a big SUV. A subcompact is all I need, I don't need to impress anyone with a pretty SUV (that I don't actually get to see the outside of when I'm using it).

      Fun fact: It actually doesn't cost automakers that much more to build a big car or SUV than a subcompact- but they can add much more markup and make much more profit per vehicle on a larger vehicles which is why automakers try to steer the market larger. They make very thin profits on the bottom tier vehicles (basically loss leaders) and massive profits on the top tier vehicles.

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  2. Re:Mars... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many people have enjoyed exploring Antarctica, even when it's mostly just sitting around in ugly research bases through the winter and occasionally looking at a bleak white landscape. It's not for me, but I'm sure there are people who will enjoy Mars.

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  3. Zap mosquitoes with lasers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IMHO, there are people that zap mosquitoes with lasers, then shy away from delivering an actual useful product at the end. And there are people who deliver a mosquito laser zapping box, but along the way, blind a few early adopters while they get the real world kinks out.

    I put Musk in the later category. The world needs more Musks, I just don't want to be an early adopter of his products.

  4. Re:Electric cars date back to at least the 1900s. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    You almost had a point until the needless racism.

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  5. Would mod up if I could .... but yes! by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think any explorer, ever, just came to a new land for the first time and lived an immediate life of comfort.

    The point is, somebody has to be first to attempt to colonize a new land (or world in the case of Mars), and that's a task certain people find a VERY rewarding challenge

    And yes - a few people enjoy spending time in places with very harsh conditions, where there aren't many other human beings around. My dad was friends with a teacher who took a sabbatical leave to visit Antarctica and live in one of those research facilities for a year or so. He came back with some amazing photos and stories, and didn't regret it a bit. (Not saying he'd be eager to do it again or to move there permanently ... but it's something not many people have experienced, so I can see the attraction.)

  6. Sure thing, Elon by Bohnanza · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This guy makes shit up faster than Trump, but people actually believe him

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  7. Super smart... by Voice+of+satan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "If we have billions of people with a high-bandwidth link to an AI extension of themselves, it would actually make everyone hyper-smart."

    I am afraid most of us would become immensely powerfully idiotic. Most humans are probably born as smart as your good scientist or good writer. Like most people are born with a body with the potential to be an athlete.

    It is just most people have not desire for excellence. They are not educated that way. Our problem is not that much a lack of brain processing power. We already have intelligence magnifying tools. Take writing for example. Wonderful things have indeed been written and that is not over. But most people won't bother with books and plenty of magazines with stories about celebrities are sold. Internet is used to watch porn and hurl insults to each other, etc...

    Tools and system are fine and all. But you need the right people to do nice things with them. We are not there yet.

    1. Re:Super smart... by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Yeah no. We are not born equal. Otherwise there would be many Usain Bolt's.

  8. Range and taking EVs seriously by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which is good, there aren't that many options on the market with comparable range (around 400km), price and specs. You have the Hyundai Kona and the Kia e-Niro, and not much else.

    The Chevy Bolt EV has range that is comparable to the standard and mid-range Model 3. Honestly except for long distance trips on the highway, anything north of 350km range is more than adequate. I have a Bolt EV and I've never had to use a third party charging station yet in nearly 10,000 miles of driving in the last 6 months. The only real range issue I see with it for local driving is that at highway speeds the range goes to shit because it only has the one gear. I think a highway gear would help a lot though definitely not a deal breaker since the battery pack is more than big enough to deal with any reasonable trip in our metro area. I have exceeded the range of a Nissan Leaf but

    After living with an EV for most of the last year, I'm convinced the majority of range and fast charging issues are important but also overblown. I have a gas powered truck for the occasional longer trip or could easily rent one if I didn't have it. Unless your daily drive is something stupidly long with a LOT of highway miles, the range on any of the vehicles mentioned above is more than adequate provided you have some means of doing Level 2 charging at your primary residence and/or place of work. I don't think I've gotten to less than 50 miles of range yet and I've been doing the opposite of hyper-miling much of the time. (EVs are fun to drive)

    Huyndai expects to make 30.000 EVs a year... less than Tesla makes in a month.

    That's because they still aren't taking EVs seriously. Just like almost every other car company. I own a Chevy Bolt EV and it's a good car and good value but it is obvious how much of it is borrowed from other Chevy vehicles. Hell it goes down the same assembly line as the Chevy Sonic which should give you some idea how similar those cars are. Like them or hate them, Tesla is really the only significant company selling no compromise EVs as of this writing. Even dedicated EVs like the Nissan Leaf are just chock full of compromises and ugly/bad design. It's not clear to me why they think every EV owner wants an ugly hatchback compliance car. (seriously, SO many EVs are just hideous to look at) I think my Bolt EV is decent looking but I certainly don't think it's a pretty vehicle and I'm not convinced GM has gone all-in on EVs. I think they made the Bolt and are resting on their laurels rather than pushing hard to scale up EV production and sales.

    1. Re: Range and taking EVs seriously by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only real range issue I see with it for local driving is that at highway speeds the range goes to shit because it only has the one gear. I think a highway gear would help a lot

      It shouldn't. Induction motor efficiency doesn't vary with RPM the way an ICE engine does. Electric motors tend to be pretty inefficient at low loads and more efficient at higher ones. Efficiency does taper down slightly at the high end but certainly not enough to cause range to "go to shit".

  9. Re:It's worse than that. by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    I choose to make myself dumber every day. That is what makes me so happy.

  10. Re:It's called leadership by Joce640k · · Score: 2

    It's a different kind of skill to persuade others to go first.

    Really? For most of military history they simply shot the people who disobeyed.

    High possibility of being shot by the enemy vs. 100% possibility of being shot by your own people. What do you choose?

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  11. Re:Mars... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    Antarctica has a summer population of around 1,000 and winter population of around 200. On a purely scientific basis, I can imagine getting similar numbers on Mars -- 1000 temporary residents, 200 permanent.

    But humans are not purely scientific. They love to do apparently incredibly stupid things like climb Mt Everest without oxygen or free-climb El Capitan. Like those, Mars captures the imagination of many people who love to suffer and tempt fate. If Musk makes the economics of it possible for the wealthy, then those type of people will build a Mars colony not because it is easy but because it is hard.

    And compared to sea voyages in the age of discovery where 90% of the crew could expect to die before getting home and they were cramped onto a small ship surrounded by the ocean developing scurvy from their poor supplies, it'll be practically a pleasure jaunt.

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  12. Not serious by sjbe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not sure about that. Manufacturers are starting to build vehicles that have been designed as EVs from the ground up.

    Not really. Not seriously anyway. If they were serious about it they would be investing heavily in battery companies and securing supplies. The only company I've seen working on making an EV that doesn't look idiotic recently is Porsche. The new Leaf looks better than the old one but that's not saying much - the old one was terrible looking. The Kona is just another boring and fairly ugly hatchback. I own a Bolt and while I like the styling for a hatchback, it isn't exactly sexy either.

    The big automakers are just dipping their toes in the water and waiting. They don't want to take the risk and possibly be wrong.

    This is not just a shakeup in car design, but in their production lines and logistics as well, and such things take some time and effort (as Tesla found out).

    Of course but I work in the industry and they aren't really putting in the effort or money. They're all claiming they are going to introduce electrified cars but none of the big autos are really pushing their chips onto the table and those promises haven't materialized into real products for the most part.

    My understanding is that a couple of these companies are simply having a real hard time sourcing the batteries.

    They're having a hard time of it because it's a critical technology they wouldn't be outsourcing if they were serious about it. Tesla seems to be the only ones that grok the fact that they need to vertically integrate to get the economies of scale and a competitive advantage. Unless Tesla's competitors have a lead on some mysterious battery tech that will supplant Li-Ion in the near future and are willing to dump tons of money on it then they are playing a dangerous game.

  13. Just watch Rogan's interview for actual details by Luckyo · · Score: 2

    If you want to know more, and not the sanitized tidbits that a mainstream outlet thinks you should know and nothing else, Rogan's interview with Musk provides a good insight into the man and his views.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...