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NYC Politician Wants To Ban Cashless Restaurants (eater.com)

If New York City Council Member Ritchie J. Torres has his way, the growing trend of cashless restaurants -- establishments that accept payment only in plastic and digital forms -- will be snuffed out. From a report: Torres plans to introduce legislation before his fellow city council members that, if passed, would levy fines on any local businesses that refused to accept paper currency. "I started coming across coffee shops and cafes that were exclusively cashless and I thought: But what if I was a low-income New Yorker who has no access to a card?" he says in a Q&A with Grub Street. "I thought about it more and realized that even if a policy seems neutral in theory, it can be racially exclusionary in practice. Therein lies the problem with card-only policies. I see it as a way to gentrify the marketplace."

Torres believes the cashless business model is inherently classist and racist, as it excludes anyone who might not be able to afford smartphones loaded with digital currency such as Apple Pay or qualify for credit cards, let alone the roughly 22 million Americans who do not have bank accounts. "If you're intent on a cashless business model, it will have the effect of excluding lower-income communities of color from what should be an open and free market," he tells Grub Street. In 2009 Wall Street Journal story, Tony Zazula, co-owner of now-shuttered Commerce in New York City, explained, pretty much, yes, that's right.

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  1. Pre-paid cards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Umm, you can stroll down to your local Walmart, Dollar Store, Gas Station and trade your cash for a pre-paid "credit-card" anytime. You can reload that card too. So even if you don't have good enough credit to get a credit card you could go this route.

    Lets not even address the elephant in the room, of in modern society you just need a credit card and internet for that matter to function, so if you do not have these items you need to come up with a work around. Like above.

    1. Re:Pre-paid cards? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or, and I'm just spitballing here, one could simply use the cash they have in hand rather than jump through hoops.

      That doesn't eliminate the costs. The proposed rule just uses coercive government to force the cost onto someone else. Handling cash is slower and more labor intensive, can be pocketed by dishonest employees, and makes the vendor a target for robbery. So the owner can either eat the loss, or push the cost onto the customer via higher prices.

      I realized the KISS principle isn't valued any more, but oddly enough, simple is usually better.

      More laws micromanaging how businesses operate is not an example of KISS.

    2. Re:Pre-paid cards? by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not a USA thing. It's an accounting thing. When a company gives you money on a card, it's establishing a debt. The company accepted your money, and agrees to hold it on your half, processing it as a payment for anything you buy with the card. It owes you the money on the card - it has a debt to you. Unfortunately people sometimes forget about those cards, or don't realize that they've lost them. It's not much for any single year, but over time the amount of debt the company owes keeps growing. After enough years, the cumulative amount of these lost cards build up.

      Eventually the debt they represent becomes a substantial percentage of the company's annual cash flow. Many accounting calculations and decisions are based on the amount of debt a company has, so after enough time this begins to affect the company's ability to, for example, qualify for a loan. These types of accounting decisions are made under the assumption "what if all your creditors ask you to suddenly repay your debt all at once?" Never mind that such a scenario is virtually impossible for lost cash card debt, the ease with which you can make such a calculation makes it an important tool in financing. The company would love to just return the cash it's holding on behalf of the cardholder to wipe the debt off its books, but it has no way to contact the cardholder because he purchased it at a gas station at 2 am paying for it and a pack of cigarettes with cash.

      So to prevent this debt from staying on the books in perpetuity, they add recurring fees which will gradually whittle it away if you take too long to use the card. Generally the first year or two are free. Thereafter $1-$3 is deducted each month. In that way, if the card is lost, the debt disappears from the company's books before it becomes big enough to become a problem. Airlines had to do the same thing with their frequent flyer miles. People were dying without using their miles, and those miles were building up in their accounting books as debt which they may have to repay in the future (maybe a court would decide a person's children could use those miles). So they altered their frequent flyer programs to make your miles expire if unused after x years.

  2. Cash payments should always be available by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    SImply as a last resort - if you're lost your wallet or phone you can always borrow some cash whereas not many people will let you borrow their cards!

    Plus sometimes its nice to be able to pay anonymously and not always be tracked by some financial organisation by using their services.

    Once cash is gone then the banks + Apple really will be the ones in charge or your life. There'll be no anonymity and if the bank suspends your account then you won't even be able to buy a coffee never mind pay your rent. All the millenials rushing to ditch cash and thinking its yesterdays payment system might want to think about that for a moment especially given how hot they are on privacy and anonymity elsewhere.

    1. Re:Cash payments should always be available by Quakeulf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Being able to pay anonymously is the only reason I defend physical cash. Fuck those paranoid individuals that need to know exactly where you are at any time. This is just like an abusive relationship, except it is the government doing it. If you defend this practice, just die.

    2. Re:Cash payments should always be available by zamboni1138 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Liquor store, afternoon of Christmas Eve, internet goes out, manager on the phone with his ISP. PoS (Point-of-Sale) machines won't work without internet connection.

      Epic chaos! Cash is King!

      -True Story

  3. Cash is a no win situation for restaurants... by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The problem that restaurants have with cash is that the IRS can confiscate their cash for making daily deposits under $10,000 that appear to deliberately avoid reporting requirements for depositing $10,000 or more. If the restaurant keeps cash on site to comply with the IRS reporting requirements, robbery becomes a greater risk. Going cashless fixes both problems.

    1. Re:Cash is a no win situation for restaurants... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Then it's time to change that law. Or hopefully, the US will become increasingly polarized and finally collapse and break up. Then NYC can be a free city that doesn't have to worry about the diktats of the dirt in DC.

  4. Re:Wall Street! by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I agree that correlation !=causation, and would further that Americans DO need to worry about race and entitlement.

    I boycott fast food kiosks; I want humans to be employed, even if they're McJobs.

    I boycott the self-scan checkout lines for the same reason. I'm not trying to hang on to concepts of the 1960s, rather, the death of service by a thousand cuts usually means that the labor costs shift into the quarterly earnings report to Wall Street as a "labor savings".

    There are people that lead good honest lives in occupations like: janitor, food server, and the jobs that aren't in tech, health care, that don't lead to glorious McMansions and Estates by Lake of the Gravel Pit. But they need jobs. Not installing kiosks.

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    ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
  5. Re: Wall Street! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You remind me of how some black people say that going to college is "acting white" and therefore derided.

  6. Re:Wall Street! by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or you accept some level of theft, which will probably be lower than the fees charged by banks to accept cards in the US (also theft, just legal).

  7. Re: Wall Street! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You remind me of how some black people say that going to college is "acting white" and therefore derided.

    I spent my last few High School years in the US at a majority black High School and was surprised to witness this at my school very strongly. A lot of really intelligent black kids would "act dumb" and get bad grades by not doing homework, etc, not because they were lazy, or unintelligent, but because there was a lot of social-pressure on them to act-dumb.

    There are probably thousands of would-be highly gifted scientists, inventors, and entrepreneurs doing menial work today because society pushed them in that direction instead of nurturing their gifts.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  8. Re:"All debts, public and private." But if no debt by IcyWolfy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I love Canada's solution to the Wheelbarrow problem.:
    Coins have a legal tender limit per person per day.
    the 51st penny paid to an entity in a day is not considered legal tender.
    (Don't recall the exact limits, but it's about 1 roll of each deonmination of values = $1, $50 for coins valued $2-$5; Single coin for denominations $10+)
     

  9. Re:How is cashless legal? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the service is performed before it is paid for then a debt is incurred.

    Legally, this is not true, if the merchant clearly states the terms of the transaction ahead of time.

    Additionally, the obligation to accept cash does NOT extend to an obligation to give change. So if you take a two mile taxi ride, and the driver then tells you he only has $20 in change, he may still have to accept your $100 bill as payment, but you just paid $80 for the ride.