Slashdot Mirror


Trump Agrees Not To Raise Tariff Levels on Chinese Goods; China Agrees To US Purchases. Two Sides To Start Broader Negotiations. (wsj.com)

U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed Saturday to keep their trade war from escalating with a promise to temporarily halt the imposition of new tariffs [the link may be paywalled; alternative source], as the world's two largest economies negotiate a lasting agreement. China also agreed to further market opening, its foreign minister said. In a statement, White House said the U.S. had agreed not to increase tariffs on Chinese goods to 25% on Jan. 1. From a report: The truce between the U.S. and China emerged after a highly anticipated dinner Saturday between Trump and Xi on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Argentina. The leaders agreed to stop the introduction of new tariffs and intensify their trade talks, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told reporters hours later in Buenos Aires. The White House called the meeting "highly successful," saying the U.S. will leave existing tariffs on $200 billion of Chinese goods at 10 percent and refrain from raising that rate to 25 percent as planned on Jan. 1. In exchange, the U.S. wants an immediate start to talks on Trump's biggest complaints about Chinese trade practices: intellectual property theft, non-tariff barriers and cyber theft. After 90 days, if there's no progress on structural reform, the U.S. will raise those tariffs to 25 percent, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement. China also agreed to boost its purchases of agricultural and industrial goods to reduce its trade imbalance with the U.S., she said.

16 of 322 comments (clear)

  1. Re:Trump caves for peanuts by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He didn't cave. Current tariffs remain in place. Only the increase to 25% in January has been suspended pending further negotiations on IP theft and non-tariff barriers to trade. Overall, this is a pretty good outcome, and hopefully remaining issues can be resolved, and the existing tariffs can be lifted as well.

    TFA is paywalled. Here is an alternative article.

  2. Re:And we all know what a Chinese promise is worth by OppMan29 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    well if nothing happens in 90 days he can raise tariffs ...nothing lost...

  3. This is very good. Double down Mr President.... by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The White House called the meeting "highly successful," saying the U.S. will leave existing tariffs on $200 billion of Chinese goods at 10 percent and refrain from raising that rate to 25 percent as planned on Jan. 1. In exchange, the U.S. wants an immediate start to talks on Trump's biggest complaints about Chinese trade practices: intellectual property theft, non-tariff barriers and cyber theft. After 90 days, if there's no progress on structural reform, the U.S. will raise those tariffs to 25 percent, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement. China also agreed to boost its purchases of agricultural and industrial goods to reduce its trade imbalance with the U.S., she said.

    And with this news, the Democrats will water down this achievement while fuming in their "war rooms" at the same time.

    That, I can guarantee.

  4. And a big chunk of that goes to the Chinese by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    since we let them buy up our hog farms. That was just nuts, BTW. Who the hell lets a hostile foreign power buy it's food supply? Seriously, who does that?

    --
    Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
    1. Re:And a big chunk of that goes to the Chinese by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What does is matter who owns them? If we ever went to war or something like that, it's pretty easy to seize those assets, since they're in the U.S. and so are the people who actually work on them. If Chinese investors do a better job running those farms, are Americans any worse off because they are more productive? If Chinese investors do a worse job, won't they just lose out to better run businesses?

    2. Re:And a big chunk of that goes to the Chinese by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      since we let them buy up our hog farms. That was just nuts, BTW. Who the hell lets a hostile foreign power buy it's food supply? Seriously, who does that?

      Do you think they packed up the hog farms and moved them to China?

      China does not control our food supply. We control THEIR food supply. Or at least their pork supply.

      Prior to buying the hog farms they were buying up American corn and soybeans, shipping them to China, and using them to raise hogs. Then they bought the hog farms so they could raise the hogs in America, and ship one jin of pork instead of 10 jin of pig food. It is just basic economic efficiency, and benefits both countries.

      Smithfield Foods bought by Shuanghui Group

      1 jin = 500g

  5. Re:Trump caves for peanuts by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Peanuts are still better than bugger all. Trump fights the world when he goes against globalism, any tiny step he makes in the process compares favourably against the steps of every administration before him for the last 5 odd decades.

    He killed the TPP, he's in the process of massively increasing the requirements for H-1B's, he's trying to renegotiate NAFTA with ISDS removed for most industries.

    Do you think any other presidential candidate would have done or will do anything close to that? He's not very competent, but if you actually want to see pro-labour policies in the US you can only vote for a 2nd term of Trump. Any other vote is a vote for a globalist race to the bottom.

  6. Wouldn't call this an outcome by Pollux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So far, it's just discussion.

    The common theme of President Trump throughout his presidency is this: he's a chaotic leader. You cannot question that he is an effective leader -- just look at the success he has at his rallies. I'm not saying you have to like the guy or his methods, but you have to at least acknowledge that he is successful at inspiring people to follow him. And he does it by being chaotic.

    And his approach to China is no different. Just as he tells reporters about meeting Russia at the G20 summit ("Maybe I will, maybe I won't."), or about Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman's involvement in Khashoggi's death ("Maybe he knew, maybe he didn't."), Trump is consistently ambiguous and aloof regarding his position with practically anything. What he says to China today can still change tomorrow. There are no guarantees, only promises. And China is as good at keeping their promises as Trump is.

    So, while that chaos does give us leverage against China (what little we have), I predict it's still going to get us nowhere in the end. While Trump may momentarily have the upper hand, he has a grievous fault that will work against it: he's narcissistic. It's impossible for him to negotiate for what's good for the United States. He negotiates for himself, aiming for outcomes that give him clout (i.e. USMCA, but don't you dare call it "New NAFTA") and economic gain (i.e. tax cuts). He doesn't give a damn about the soybean farmers and every other working class American suffering while this deal is getting negotiated and worked out. Nor will he care about who benefits or doesn't in the end, so long as he gets his.

    1. Re:Wouldn't call this an outcome by larryjoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You cannot question that he is an effective leader -- just look at the success he has at his rallies. I'm not saying you have to like the guy or his methods, but you have to at least acknowledge that he is successful at inspiring people to follow him. And he does it by being chaotic.

      I do question many aspects of his effectiveness as a leader. There are some things and policies that I think he's doing right and others that I think are wrong. His rallies only show that the Republican base enthusiastically supports him. However, that base represents less than a majority of Americans. Trump has energized Democrats in a way that not even Obama could do. Trump has failed miserably in getting citizens and political leaders outside of his base (i.e., the majority) to follow him. This is the true measure of leadership, and in this regard, he has failed miserably.

  7. Re:IP theft doesn't matter to me by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All he did was get them to agree to talk.

    Not true. China agreed to immediately start buying more American goods, especially farm products. Higher soybean prices in America, and cheaper tofu in China. Win-win.

  8. Re: Had to be done by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why?? The rest of the West has made it quite clear they despise America in general and Trump specifically. Why should we do anything for you ungrateful jerks? You've been very ugly about it, like an ex-wife trashing her former husband. Really hateful and nobody doubts that you were dead serious.

    Make your own deals; stand on your own two feet. Daddy Trump is kicking you out of the basement and into the real world. It's for your own good. Learn to do things on your own.

    --
    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
  9. Re:They didn't get anything by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2, Insightful

    China backed down from what? All they committed to was pausing their retaliatory tariffs.

    --
    Your ad here. Ask me how!
  10. Re:IP theft doesn't matter to me by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    China's been willing to talk all along. The Trump Administration couldn't find anything like a coherent policy position from themselves. And anything they have floated amounted to telling China to stop advancing to a super-power, which went over very well with the Chinese, as you can expect.

  11. Re:IP theft doesn't matter to me by gtall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just remember Trump destroys everything he touches. And the U.S. is has gained nothing except the animosity of its allies and the contempt of its enemies. Most countries know what Trump is. Any "nice" things they come out with are mere to pump his ego, they will agree to nothing substantially good for the U.S.

  12. Trump blinked in the fight he started by Martin+S. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How much more evidence is required to conclude Trump is not the brilliant 'deal' strategist he thinks he is. He's failed with North Korea, his attempt to sabotage NAFTA also failed, he failed to intimidate the EU and now he's failed to get a better deal from China, which despite his bluster is pretty much the status quo with tweeks that regular diplomats could achieve in a heartbeat without any drama.

  13. Re:They didn't get anything by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Insightful
    --
    Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!