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Elon Musk Says Autopilot Will Soon Recognize Emergency Response Vehicles (inverse.com)

Over the weekend, Elon Musk alluded to impending software updates that would make Teslas even safer than they already are. In response to a story about a DUI where a Tesla autopilot may have been involved, Musk said Autopilot may soon be able to recognize emergency response vehicles and react accordingly. Inverse reports: "Default Autopilot behavior, if there's no driver input, is to slow gradually to a stop & turn on hazard lights," Musk explained in the replies. "Tesla service then contacts the owner." That naturally got people wondering whether or not Tesla's autopilot was capable of differentiating between emergency response vehicles and everyone else. Presumably, someday soon autonomous vehicles are going to be able to recognize sirens (or their futuristic software equivalent.) If an ambulance pulls up behind an autonomous car on a single-lane road, it will need some mechanism to know it's supposed to get out of the way. In the meanwhile, Musk said that Tesla is already working on the first half of that problem, by teaching neural net to be able to recognize police cars, ambulances, and fire trucks. On Twitter, he said that this capability would be added to the neural net "in the coming months."

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  1. Awesome by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I needed my hourly update on Musk's twitter account. Thanks Rei!

    1. Re: Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    2. Re:Awesome by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 0
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    3. Re:Awesome by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

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    8. Re: Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  2. All you Musk haters are just Jealous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    1. Re:All you Musk haters are just Jealous by stealth_finger · · Score: 0

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    2. Re: All you Musk haters are just Jealous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  3. Install aftermarket sirens and lights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  4. What about School Buses? by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    Just curious - what does autopilot do when it approaches a school bus with the lights flashing? In most (all?) jurisdictions in North America, a car must stop (a certain distance away from the bus).

    Is autopilot smart enough to handle this situation?

    1. Re:What about School Buses? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      It runs into the back of the bus. But Musk said on Twitter it will probably be solved in the next over the air update.

    2. Re:What about School Buses? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Informative
      Nope. It will not handle it.

      As it is shipped today, the Enhanced Auto Pilot supports only freeway driving. It has no ability to recognize stop signs, traffic lights, 90 degree turns, etc. All it can do is to follow the lane markings, follow the car ahead at a fixed distance, make lane changes when commanded. That is all. Even that only with the proviso that the human driver remains active and engaged in driving.

      In short you engage EAP and drive normally as though you don't have EAP. It will help you avoid dumb mistakes like drifting to another lane or making a lane change without fully checking blind spots.

      To me, it is not worth the price. I did not buy EAP.

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    3. Re:What about School Buses? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      "All it can do is to follow the lane markings, follow the car ahead at a fixed distance, make lane changes when commanded. That is all".

      Hmmm, then why call it "autopilot"? Many cars have follow the lane markings (lane centering) and follow the car features (adaptable cruise control). Why call it "autopilot"?

    4. Re:What about School Buses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because for about a hundred years now, that's what the word "autopilot" means.

      The first aircraft autopilot was developed by Sperry Corporation in 1912. The autopilot connected a gyroscopic heading indicator and attitude indicator to hydraulically operated elevators and rudder. (Ailerons were not connected as wing dihedral was counted upon to produce the necessary roll stability.) It permitted the aircraft to fly straight and level on a compass course without a pilot's attention, greatly reducing the pilot's workload.

    5. Re: What about School Buses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And precisely how is that relevant? Auto means self and pilot means drive. The fact that professional pilots use the term differently doesn't change the fact that the general public doesn't share the definition.

      Plus at this point, the autopilot can more or less do everything.

    6. Re:What about School Buses? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Because for about a hundred years now, that's what the word "autopilot" means.

      A hundred years ago gay meant happy. What's your point?

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    7. Re:What about School Buses? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It seems odd that they don't go for this much lower hanging fruit, stuff the Hyundai/Kia system already does and which old Teslas used to do, before worrying about emergency vehicles where the driver should be able to take over anyway.

      Being able to read signs would be of great benefit to many Tesla drivers every day, and it's relatively easy to do.

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    8. Re:What about School Buses? by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Morally bankrupt marketing

    9. Re:What about School Buses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And do they leave autopilot engaged when they finally encounter "bumper to bumper" driving (arrive for landing/takeoff)?

    10. Re:What about School Buses? by necro81 · · Score: 1

      Just curious - what does autopilot do when it approaches a school bus with the lights flashing? In most (all?) jurisdictions in North America, a car must stop (a certain distance away from the bus).

      There are exceptions: I believe that in most (all?) jurisdictions, the car does not have to stop if the road is divided or has a median. (Not all divided roads are highways.) I can imagine that caveat being a bitch to get an AI system to understand.

    11. Re:What about School Buses? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      worrying about emergency vehicles where the driver should be able to take over anyway.

      Unless he's drunk and/or asleep.

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    12. Re:What about School Buses? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Seems like rather than trying to make the car pull over to let emergency vehicles pass a sleeping driver, they should install electrodes in the driver's seat to wake them up again.

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    13. Re:What about School Buses? by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      because it was designed by engineers who know what autopilot was used for in planes, but with bad enough marketing to not understand that people think it was always some magic box that eliminated pilots. To me it's kind of baffling, we've had autopilot in planes for decades yet we all expect to hear "This is your captain speaking" intercom announcements, are aware that we not only have a pilot, but a co-pilot for him. Nobody expects autopilot in an airplane to mean the pilots should be able to spend the flight in first class sipping champagne and watching the movie, yet somehow that's what we expect it to mean in cars.

    14. Re: What about School Buses? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      The fact that the general public is retarded means that we can't keep using words to mean what they actually mean?

      K.

    15. Re:What about School Buses? by swillden · · Score: 1

      Being able to read signs would be of great benefit to many Tesla drivers every day, and it's relatively easy to do.

      It does read speed limit signs, but that's all. It doesn't really act on them, either, other than to set the default cruise speed if cruise isn't currently active, and to issue a chime if you're currently exceeding the speed limit plus a user-provided offset.

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    16. Re: What about School Buses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes. its known as commonly used meaning. gay no longer means happy for that reason.

    17. Re: What about School Buses? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Cool. You go tell Boing and Airbus that they're no longer allowed to use the word "autopilot".

    18. Re:What about School Buses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the word Autopilot has historically meant "keeps the plane or boat on a fixed compass heading and speed".

      "Keeps the car in its lane and maintains speed or following distance" is actually a step or two up from that on how much it does for the operator.

    19. Re:What about School Buses? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, then why call it "autopilot"? Many cars have follow the lane markings (lane centering) and follow the car features (adaptable cruise control). Why call it "autopilot"?

      Because GP is actually wrong and the feature is significantly more capable. You'll also find that pretty much every other car's lane centering feature and adaptable cruise control doesn't have nearly the amount of overall control over the vehicle. The other systems are truly driver assist which require full and complete control to remain in the hands of the driver, where as autopilot is basically identical to the offloading of work and aircraft does for the pilot. It is possible to not hold the wheel for significant periods. It is possible for the system to intelligently avoid crashes (a few adaptive cruise control systems can do this though). It is possible to have the car automatically change lanes at your request. Additionally the EAP feature is both experimental and continuously updated where demonstrations have also shown that yes Tesla does already have the capabilities to handle traffic lights and stop signs. Remember this was sold as a "future" feature since day one with no actual promised dates and functionality increasing over time.

      By comparison the lane centering features of most other cars can barely handle a bend in the highway if the driver isn't attentively and purposefully steering around said bend.

    20. Re: What about School Buses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To use the alleged ignorance of the general public to sell shit is fraud.

    21. Re: What about School Buses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's "cruise control" when you're talking about cars.

      Why didn't the fraudster use the correct term?

    22. Re:What about School Buses? by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      I think people assume the pilot can take a break from 'driving the plane' when it's on autopilot.

    23. Re:What about School Buses? by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      Right, which is more or less the misconception, (at least with regards to rules etc..., technically now autopilot has advanced enough that the pilot probably could get away with it without causing harm, but pretty sure rules and regulations still mandate at minimum one pilot paying attention at all times).

    24. Re:What about School Buses? by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "It is possible to not hold the wheel for significant periods."

      Then why is Musk saying "Default Autopilot behavior, if there's no driver input, is to slow gradually to a stop & turn on hazard lights" when it's clearly not true.

    25. Re:What about School Buses? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      There's a big difference between letting go of the wheel on another car (lane centering stops working and you die a horrible death) and autopilot (for 30 seconds nothing at all happens, then some warning sounds happen for a while longer while the car happily drives itself, and then if you continue to ignore the system it will come to an orderly stop.

      When driving at 130km/h 30seconds is a pretty frigging significant period of time, so was the over 2 minutes it worked for previously, and so were the infinite length of time before that when some dude playing his Nintendo while driving decided that we can't have nice things.

    26. Re:What about School Buses? by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "for 30 seconds nothing at all happens, then some warning sounds happen for a while longer while the car happily drives itself, and then if you continue to ignore the system it will come to an orderly stop ... was the over 2 minutes it worked for previously, and so were the infinite length of time before that when some dude playing his Nintendo while driving decided that we can't have nice things"

      30 seconds no input before starting to stop, from 2 minutes before, and never before that ? I don't think that's right and also more variables are involved.

      Like that sleeping guy that the police chased down the highway at 70 mph a few days ago ?

    27. Re:What about School Buses? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Like that sleeping guy that the police chased down the highway at 70 mph a few days ago ?

      We know very little about that sleeping guy. We do know a lot about Teslas, for example that 30 second warning, and 2 minute to abort auto drive is currently based on torque on the steering wheel. It is something easily defeated at present (not just on Tesla's, look up youtube videos of people stickytaping coke cans to their steering wheel), and would be inactive for something as simple as falling asleep while resting your hand at the bottom of the steering wheel.

      30 seconds no input before starting to stop, from 2 minutes before, and never before that ? I don't think that's right and also more variables are involved.

      According to the manual the only variables involved that affect the driver is the steering wheel torque and the process is also described. The numbers I found from google search and aren't listed in the operations manual.

      They are working on more variables. It's one of the reasons the new Model 3 has a (presently unused) driver facing IR camera, steering wheel torque is a poor and easily defeated mechanism to detect driver attentiveness.

    28. Re:What about School Buses? by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "According to the manual the only variables involved ..."

      So what happens when we ignore the Tesla Autopilot warnings? The answer appears to depend largely on the route you’re taking. https://www.teslarati.com/what...

      "We know very little about that sleeping guy. "

      But it still looks like a long time without 'conscious input', here's some more :

      About 20 minutes of no hands : https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Guy eats hamburger : https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      So it's not only time the car considers before it forces you to touch the steering wheel.

    29. Re:What about School Buses? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You just linked to two videos and a website which predate changes to the autopilot mechanism change which were introduced in late 2017 and early 2018 and downloaded to all cars via software update.

      Did you miss the multiple articles on Slashdot we had about this "feature reduction"? If this were 2015 I'd agree with you, the early Teslas didn't do anything if you didn't have your hands on the wheel. It's one of the reasons that early adopters of autopilot are a bit peeved with the company.

    30. Re:What about School Buses? by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Do you mean it's only the time that matters now, 30 seconds, and it doesn't ever get longer depending on anything, like the 'quality' of road markings, speed, or curve severity? Any links?

    31. Re:What about School Buses? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      As far as I can tell no. The owners manual mentions nothing of conditions https://www.tesla.com/sites/de... (page 91 of the PDF) It doesn't mention the timing and I'm getting conflicting information as to the exact details precisely because it's changed so frequently, but it looks like a lot of the anecdotes coming towards something resembling a consensus that from about 3 minutes of no hands on the wheel the autopilot will start disengaging.

      Now one thing I don't know is if all cars are currently equal. Tesla has played with this feature a few times already so it could very well be that not all the cars are running the same autopilot, but then they also set the bar for remote updating on cars so your guess is as good as any,

      But if you have anything concrete on this I'm all ears, certainly if it is any article published before May this year take it with a grain of salt. Even the owners manual has gone through 44!!!! revisions in 2018.

  5. Not awesome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the point? A driverless car will require a sober licensed adult in charge. How will they stay awake? And where is the fun in not driving? Who wants a driverless car other than the manufacturers? Is this the equivalent of 3D TV?

  6. Nice. by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    Just like every 3 year old. Soon maybe they'll add trash trucks, front loaders and tractors.

    1. Re: Nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least he does things. You launched any rockets recently?

    2. Re: Nice. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      No, but I know a guy who did in the 13th century. How amazing!

    3. Re: Nice. by reanjr · · Score: 1

      The difference is once you train one Tesla, every new Tesla pops off the line with the new training. Three year olds require years of training for each one that comes off the line

    4. Re: Nice. by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Launching a rocket is easy as fuck. Getting to go where you want it to is the hard part.

    5. Re: Nice. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, until Musk figured it out. Good thing we have him.

    6. Re: Nice. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Three year olds require years of training for each one that comes off the line

      Somebody's mommy and daddy finally told them about where the stork gets the babies! Good job, Big Boy!

    7. Re: Nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He hasn't either, so we're alike I that. Of course, I haven't manipulated the stock of my company on Twitter,so the similarities with this fraudster are superficial.

  7. Were just waiting for it ... by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Dont think Elon cares for the backdoor much. Im Psychic bet I can guess the news in the near future. :)

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  8. Neural Implants would help, by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    See if the driver is alert or not. :) Better hurry up with that. :) An addon package for later. :)

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  9. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "Default Autopilot behavior, if there's no driver input, is to slow gradually to a stop & turn on hazard lights," Musk explained in the replies.

    If that's even close to true, then why in the world did the Tesla in question (the one that supposedly prompted his response) continue to drive for over 7 minutes before essentially being corralled into a stop by police cars? Something doesn't add up.

    1. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The driver alertness detector is so easy to defeat. Apparently people just hang a weight on the steering wheel and that stops the nag.

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    2. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Driver input means "hands on the steering wheel". Just more malarky.

    3. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was about to stop.
      It is programmed to stop in 7 minutes and 0.0001 seconds after there is no driver input.
      The police had no need to stop it.

    4. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      As long as you fall asleep with your hand on the wheel, you're good. Until you approach an off ramp that the car confuses for a lane, and kills you when it hits the divider.

    5. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Eh, no big deal. It will be fixed in the next patch. Or maybe the one after that.

    6. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      Is it worse than falling asleep at the wheel in a car without EAP?

      BTW, we have hundreds of thousands of traffic lights and so many signs and warnings on the highways and the roads. Still road accidents happen, and tens of thousands of people die in the accidents. Please go ahead and post snarky comments about these things too.

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    7. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      But it is "auto pilot". That means it drives itself. Right? Auto. Pilot.

    8. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Definitely it is a better auto. pilot. than this: Chrysler Auto Pilot. Circa 1958

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    9. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Not really. Auto-pilot in its original context was used to keep a plane flying straight and on course. That's it. No one ever sent out a plane without a human pilot or thought that it was a good idea to put pilots in the cockpit who were drunk or tired. Auto-pilot is the perfect designation for the Tesla feature.

      Also, as an etymological sidenote, automobiles were not "auto" "mobile" until the advent of cruise control, but no one had an issue with calling it auto just because a human still pushed the pedal.

    10. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      A.K.A "Cruise control". That is what "auto pilot" means (plus lane assist and following). More Tesla hype. Why don't they just call it "driver assist" rather than the misleading "auto pilot"? Pure stupidity.

    11. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Give me a break. When a rich moron climbs into his overpriced car he is thinking "hey its autopilot. It will take me where I want to go and I don't need to do anything". Tesla fanboys are ridiculous.

    12. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      Tesla called it auto pilot following the well established norms and standards of automobile advertisements. Like Chrysler called dumb cruise control auto pilot 60 years ago.

      You think "auto pilot" should do "whatever the shit I think it should do". The pure stupidity on display here is yours.

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    13. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Apparently the important thing that was missed is that a plane is fine if it flies straight and on course. An automobile, not so much! Even so, an airplane requires much third party human assistance from the ground plus the pilot and copilot to guide it safely.

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    14. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Right. It is normal to call "cruise control" and "lane assist" as autopilot in the industry. You Tesla fanboys are unbelievable. Total reality distortion field.

    15. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I am not dumb enough to short a fanboy stock like Tesla. It is you guys who are obsessed with Musk who keep posting stories whenever he spews his drivel on Twitter.

    16. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK rename it to Automobile cruise co-pilot.

      Maybe shorten to Autoco Pilot. Hmmm looks a little silly. Maybe another combo?
      mobi-pilo?
      auto cot?
      tom cruise pilot?

    17. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not what an autopilot does. You are making things up.

      As already explained, an autopilot in an aircraft does in no way mean that the aircraft doesn't need an attentive human pilot, nor does it relieve the human pilot of the need to monitor the situation.

      "Autopilot" is exactly the right word for Tesla's system, which has the same limitations.

    18. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      How about calling it "lane assist" and "cruise control". It isn't "piloting" anything. Of course that would upset the Tesla fanboys though. They think their $60k metal box is special.

    19. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter how many times you explain it to us, its those buying the Teslas that need the explanation.

      It might be best to leave the thing alone. Some AI to recognize emergency vehicles is likely just going to introduce more variables into the system.

    20. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      He is moron. You said so yourself. So why is it Tesla's fault? Its the moron's fault.

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    21. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      ... It is you guys who are obsessed with Musk ...

      So says someone who has posted more one liners on tsla threads than even Rei.

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    22. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Ridiculous. A car is nothing like a plane and stupid Tesla drivers are not pilots. They should just call it "lane assist" and "cruise control" like everyone else.

    23. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's simple: Musk's engineering degree is made entirely of emeralds and he's more suited to being a sales guy who writes bad scifi as a hobby.

    24. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Because Tesla is enabling morons by hyping features by giving them inappropriate marketing names. Tesla drivers are typically morons anyway and Musk knows it.

    25. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      I post a lot here, typically to combat the ever increasing level of stupidity displayed by people like you. That includes AI nutters, space nutters and Tesla fanboys. They are typically the same people.

    26. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should "Auto pilot" (or any other term) mean what this dimwit thinks it should mean, and not what the Tesla (or the seller) defines as its meaning?

      Remember "unlimited" data plans?

    27. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Musk doesn't have an engineering degree, but he has a BS in everything else.

    28. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      When a rich moron climbs into his overpriced car he is thinking "hey its autopilot. It will take me where I want to go and I don't need to do anything".

      Can you cite a single instance of this happening?

      You certainly seem to have a bug up your butt about the word "Autopilot". Why do you care so much? It seems like a strange thing to obsess over.

    29. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Auto-pilot in its original context was used to keep a plane flying straight and on course. That's it. No one ever ...

      It is much safer to lean on popular fiction than specialist jobs when considering what the popular understanding of a word is.

      In every sci-fi show, when you turn on auto-pilot, it flies for you and warns you loudly if there is any danger that requires intervention.

      Also airplane auto-pilot is often presented that way in fiction.

      So if you are defining the word, you have to list that too. And it is probably #1.

    30. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The Model 3 has an IR camera facing the driver, but it's not used at the moment. Would be nice if they put some effort into getting that to work.

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    31. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the drunk idiot in a Tesla which required a whole police squadron to get him off the road.

    32. Re:Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bull of Shite?

    33. Re: Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Yeah. You've proved your point. Cause no one ever drove drunk before Teslas were around, so this guy must have only done so because he obviously thought it was cool to get in and take a nap.

  10. So, a standard road feature, not programmed for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No wonder it's running into pedestrians! (LOL!!! Captcha "dozens")

  11. It's the McDLT of car options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find a problem that doesn't exist*. Then solve it. Then market the hell out of it ballyhooing what a great solution you've come up with that nobody needed.

    I admit that there are plenty of people who shouldn't be driving. For them there's Uber, Lyft, Ola, etc., and taxis. For those of us who like driving,...

    McDonald's "problem" didn't exist for Burger King, Wendy's, or In-n-Out anyway.

  12. First thought, bad idea. by Monster_user · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My first thought on this, is its a bad idea to utilize imperfect machine learning algorithms for critical interactions. This is bound to go bad at a really bad time.

    1. Re:First thought, bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but we still let humans drive.

      Just need to make the imperfect mechanical machine safer overall than the warm squishy machines already behind the while.

    2. Re:First thought, bad idea. by swillden · · Score: 1

      My first thought on this, is its a bad idea to utilize imperfect machine learning algorithms for critical interactions. This is bound to go bad at a really bad time.

      As opposed to utilizing imperfect bio-machine learning algorithms for critical interactions? We know those go bad at really bad times, too.

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    3. Re:First thought, bad idea. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Who said imperfect and using? Nothing in the announcement did. Tesla is working on identifying vehicles and that's the extent of it. Expect the result of this to be a notification to the driver first and foremost.

  13. 2 words, adversarial input by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will make it much easier to kidnap rich folks. Just buy a red flasher, stick in the rear window of a car, cut in front, flash, halt the vehicle and attack. Bonus points, at the request/regulation of LE/gov't, add a feature so the doors autounlock on stop, making dragging people out of their vehicle so much easier than having to bash the window and pull them out....

    1. Re:2 words, adversarial input by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      but, that already works on human drivers... set up a blue LED. Pick up a halloween police officer outfit, keep a flashlight shone in the guys face to keep him from investigating too closely. Honestly i'd say it's easier to fool humans than self driving cars (not implying it's hard to fool a bot, just even easier to fool a human)

    2. Re:2 words, adversarial input by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      You missed the part where the rich folk sees that it's not a real emergency vehicle, disengages self driving and calls the police.

  14. Jury Duty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess what I think about autopilot on the ground (I worked on Jets with Autopilot.) I'll save the suspence. Autopilot on the ground is a wmd to go after targets, it MUST be outlawed. It's not helping you drive.

  15. False Positive rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets put this together. Tesla owners have lots of money, so buy a magnetic flashing light from eBay, put it in the roof of the crims car, Tesla pulls over.

    Make Tesla owner less wealthy.

    Repeat.

    Going to be real hard to do as well as a human there guys.

  16. Hopefully they've thought about abuse of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one thing that comes to mind is a bad actor using this to cause a car to pull over and stop so that he can [insert bad thing here] to the occupants.

    Obviously this is possible (and happens) today. Fake cops pulling unsuspecting drivers over is enough of a problem that it hits the news on a moderately regular basis and that drivers who suspect it are encouraged to call 911 to verify that the police are real.

    For this to work safely, it would have to provide a means for the car to connect to a service that does some kind of similar verification. Cop cars need to be able to submit a "notice of pulling over command" to a central web site via cellular network, and the car being commanded to pull over needs to be able to query that central location to verify that the command is legitimate.

    And it all has to happen securely, and fast enough that it doesn't delay an emergency pull over.

  17. FFS it's NOT autopilot It's "Idiot suicide assist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    much better name for it.

  18. Autopilot = adaptive cruise control by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

    For those who don't slobber over every meaningless Musk tweet, Tesla calls their adaptive cruise control system 'auto-pilot' for a variety of misguided reasons. This has nothing to do with aircraft. No idea why the editors didn't feel compelled to include that information. Aircraft typically don't encounter emergency vehicles.

    1. Re:Autopilot = adaptive cruise control by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Tesla calls their adaptive cruise control system 'auto-pilot' for a variety of misguided reasons. This has nothing to do with aircraft.

      Yeah, it behaves just like a plane or ship autopilot, which is to say it does what you tell it. How misguided!

      Aircraft typically don't encounter emergency vehicles.

      And the Tesla autopilot currently does just as much about them as an airplane. Sounds like a good name.

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    2. Re:Autopilot = adaptive cruise control by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      That argument only flies when the Tesla drivers will have to pass a license test comparable in the complexity to the test for a pilot certification and in addition a type rating for the Tesla model they want to drive, need a constantly renewed health check and have to recertify their driving license every two years.

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    3. Re: Autopilot = adaptive cruise control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep drinking the poo-aid.

    4. Re:Autopilot = adaptive cruise control by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      And let's not forget that, although maybe the 'autopilot' only does what the GP says (I can't say authoritatively as I most definitely do not have a pilots license), most large aircraft are ILS3b capable and can achieve fully automated landings. If current aircraft technology really were at the early autopilot levels, this may be a reasonable argument. But the idea that the general public somehow knows the limits of aircraft 'autopilot' when it's part of a larger completely autonomous system is laughable.

  19. ACC - Adaptive Cruise Control by DrYak · · Score: 1

    No need for any autopilot. The adaptive cruise control / city safety already deployed in lots of vehicles nowaday will, when engaged and in the absence of input from the driver, slow down and halt the car.

    Whether the default stoping distance is acceptable for the "certain distance away" required by the north american law is a different matter.
    Though it is set-able, most of the time it is not per-vahicle dependent. Your car will stop at the same distance of whatever it detects, be it a truck, a bus, a car, a bicycle or a pedestrian. (But if law requires you to stop at a different further away back distance specifically for school buses, then ACC doesn't cut it, you'll need some object recognition (similar to TFS' Teslka neural net) to detect school busses and change the stop distance.)

    This autonomous strop can be overridden by user input. In case of false positive, put your feet gently on the gas pedal and this will prevent the car from slowing down.
    The car might still ring an alarm if it still thinks you're on a collision course with some large object, but the autonomous emergency braking will be inhibited as long as your foot is still maintaining the gas pedal.
    Conversely even if only gently press the brake pedal while the collision alarm is ringing, this will encourage the car to autonomously start its emergency braking to avoid rear-ending the vehicle in front.

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  20. That's nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At some point it will occur to all of these people that they have, in fact, missed the point. Musk is a bag of rocks, so are the people participating in his mass hallucinations by dumping money on his head.

  21. Hopefully it can know what lights to look for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully it knows what types of lights to look for based on the area. If you're driving in Ontario, blue lights mean snow plow, no need to pull over (though passing them might give your car a salt sanding). In the USA, blue lights mean pull over. As long as the car knows what the lights mean for each city (since some cities use green lights for various purposes) it should be fine. I don't think there's a database of that yet, though, but good on Elon for volunteering!

    In other words, I'll be laughing my ass off when the snow plows come out and all the Teslas ditch themselves.

  22. Traffic signals already see emergency vehicles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All emergency lights have a strobe on them that flashes periodically to let signals know to stop cross traffic. Tesla could easily leverage this I would think.

    And if you are bored, you can get one for your cars to turn lights green. But if you get caught it is illegal.