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China Calls For Release of Arrested Huawei CFO Detained In Canada (nbcnews.com)
China is demanding the release of a senior executive at Huawei after she was detained in Canada on extradition charges to the U.S. Wanzhou Meng, who is also the deputy chair of Huawei's board and the daughter of company founder Ren Zhengfei, is suspected of violating U.S. trade sanctions against Iran. NBC News reports: The arrest of Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer and daughter of the company's founder Ren Zhengfei, spooked investors with U.S. stocks tumbling on fears of a flare-up in Chinese-U.S. tensions. She was arrested in Vancouver, British Columbia, on Dec. 1. China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said officials have been contacted both in the U.S. and Canada to demand Meng's release. Geng Shuang, a spokesman for the ministry, said her detention needed to be explained, and both countries had to "effectively protect the legitimate rights and interests of the person concerned." A spokesperson for Huawei said in a statement that it "complies with all applicable laws and regulations where it operates, including applicable export control and sanction laws and regulations."
Well they going to need to give trump something to make that happen.
What if the shoe was on the other foot? What if an American citizen was arrested in a 3rd country and extradited to China? What would Donald Trump do? The Andrew Brunson affair indicates he would not accept it passively.
1. Can't compete with Huawei 5G.
2. Can't get real advantage as claimed by Donald's tweets
3. Made up and exaggerated accusation as before the Iraq War.
4. Held the daughter of a VIP as hostage for negotiation.
Sounds like a plot from terrorist country like Iran.
I wish they would prosecute board members of US companies for financial crimes and monopolistic practices.
and most of Europe. While we reneged on the deal (and by "we" I mean "Trump") the rest of the world, including Iran, are upholding it hoping that the US of A comes to it's senses.
If we keep this going we're going to have war with Iran. And that is, of course, the point. The question is will the American Voters let it happen again.
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Trump isn't actually in control of this. It would be illegal and improper for him to intervene, in fact he wasn't even notified by DOJ that the action was pending. It's unclear he even has actual pardoning power for this,
but certainly not before the charges have even been brought, that's just a misapprehension about how DOJ works even as it is an Exec branch Dept.
It sounds like there's a counter-espionage aspect of this case as well, further reducing any chance of even a fucking moron like the aforementioned involving himself inappropriately... but then, you never know do you.
Ivan, when you back frauds, you need to include the fake news that proves it's all a Hillary Clinton plot to discredit Huawei. No shekels this time, try harder.
Might have something to do with this;
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46352336
Chinese officials have defended their decision to bar three US citizens from leaving the country, saying they are suspected of "economic crimes". Victor and Cynthia Liu, children of a fugitive businessman, and their mother, Sandra Han, have been detained since June, the New York Times reported. The US Department of State confirmed to the BBC that they are in "close contact" with the adult Liu children. Their father, Liu Changming, is wanted in a $1.4bn (£1bn) fraud case in China.
FYI - Victor, 19, was born in the U.S. The Chinese are holding a US citizen hostage and then have the nerve to complain?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
"Fappingbear" you really need to find a job that doesn't involve Putin's dick in your mouth. Rhetorically of course. And yet literally rhetorically.
Huawei is ChiCom-owned crapware with a backdoor built in. You are a dancing nesting doll, ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS are anti-US propaganda.
Too obvious, no shekels, no 'mimbi, no rubles, no dice. Fuck off back to City 40.
And the stock market is down immediately. Thanks for devaluing our pension funds, Mr. Trump!
Wait a minute, I want to reply to this but I have to stop shaking with laughter first.
You are welcome on my lawn.
She has more freedoms and protections in a US/Canadian prison than she would being "free" in China.
China does not respect human rights.
Chinese doesn't consider chinese "human".
therefore, there is no reason to give chinese citizens "human rights", instead, they are given "chinese privileges".
I'm sure once she apologizes to the party, the people, and donates all of her money to the party , and the people, and performs to service in a reeducation centre, all will be forgiven.
It's time we started saying that again, and loudly. The West is the Best.
Sounds like a good way to infiltrate the U.S. Just fund droves of pregnant women flying to the States for an extended holiday.
Being American is more than being born on American soil.
ZTE had previously violated US's sanctions against Iran multiple times, leading the US to threaten a ban on ZTE doing business in the United States. But then US President Trump reversed course stating he did not want so many Chinese people to lose their jobs.
So now why is Huawei facing charges when ZTE's punishment was reversed by Trump? And even when ZTE was facing punishment, I don't think any ZTE executives had ever been criminally charged and detained.
BTW, I am no fan of either ZTE or Huawei, and I would advise people to steer clear of Chinese phone companies in general.
Thanks for the tip, Adolf.
China arrests Americans all the time for much dumber reasons. Turnabout is fair play.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
The last asian country that really pissed us off got nuked. Twice.
I assure you we are not above turning a place in to a radioactive cesspool.
Chinese citizen Foo Cue arrested by US. Crickets.
Daughter of very important person to the Communist Party: it's not fair, let her go!
Am I in the ball park?
Vietnam is in Asia FYI.
And? Did they truly piss us off? No. They didn't bomb US soil the way Japan did. That was just some political stupidity we shouldn't have been involved with.
They didn't really piss us off and none of us really understood what the fuck we were doing there in the first place.
Geng Shuang, a spokesman for the ministry, said her detention needed to be explained, and both countries had to "effectively protect the legitimate rights and interests of the person concerned."
And if you disagee, China will subtract 50 from your Communist Black Mirror score, and too low means Bryce doesn't get to borrow anymore.
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US Constitution Article II, Section 2 states plainly that the President has pardon power for any offense with the sole exception being cases of impeachment.
Since at least Andrew Jackson in 1865, Presidents have use pardon prior to indictment to spare the country the turmoil of a controversial indictment and trial (in the case of a Confederate officer, for Jackson). The Supreme Court has upheld this repeatedly.
Imagine you seen a sign saying "no parking on Sundays 9AM-11AM". By law that implies that parking is allowed any other time. (exceptio probat regulam, in casibus non exceptis).
The Constitution is even more clear. It specifically says "all cases except impeachment". If it meant "all cases except impeachment and when AC doesn't like it", it would say that. It explicitly states the sole case in which the President does not have pardon power.
The defendant isn't being impeached, so clearly the President absolutely has an unquestionable Constitutional right to pardon her. Whether or not he SHOULD is an entirely different question. His legal power to do so is very clearly stated in the supreme law of the land, the Constitution.
Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States of America, and as such is the head of Executive branch of the federal government, and as such has control over the DOJ. Further, he can pardon anyone he damn well pleases with one exception. Yes, he can even pardon himself if it came down to it and that one exception wasn't in play.
Grow up.
It wasn't Canada that arrested her. They rose from the theft of NORTEL, a Canadian company. They should be the ones most pissed.
The US never went to war with Vietnam. That's a big reason we didn't nuke it. We were there as pretty much the only fucking ones doing the fucking dirty work of our shitty fucking alliances.
The conflict dragged on and people in the US hated it. If congress had declared war it would've ended differently, and much more quickly. But Congress didn't want the optics of the US going to war again, and preferred to just send a generation of men into a pointless meat grinder. See Korea for the sequel, and the middle east spin off series if you want to know more.
The US has not been at war since WWII.
And its not clear we "won" Afghanistan or Iraq either. Just wasted a bunch of money and soldiers lives. Did we kill all the terrorists? Did they tap out? No, and we are also trending towards making "land of the free" a lie.
Bolton knew. That bitch :)
Can someone explain he crime to me? She is not an US national, her company is in China, but she was arrested in Canada because the US says its a crime for her company to trade in Iran? The trade did no occur in US soil. None of the parties in the trade are under US jurisdiction, not even the arrest was made on US soil.
make her talk!
Why is America grabbing her? So what if they trade with Iran? We have no legal say in that. This is no different than Assange. We have no legal rights on this.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
lick the boot, yes keep licking you worm
Umm, Korean War came before Vietnam.
Japan isn't China. Try looking at a map sometime, you uneducated fuck.
Why did Canada grab her? What Canadian laws has she broken?
Who gives a fuck what those stupid 'murkins want.
"Vietnam...See Korea for the sequel"
Your time machine is borken.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
The Aussies were there with us too. France was there about a decade before us but mucked it up (not that we did much better). And Korea had a crapload of different countries fighting as well.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Vancouver Airport is in Canada, Bill. They are American sanctions and Huawei does business with America and she's an officer of that company. CHINA claims that reach when they can get someone wanted by them.
Breaking an agreement that also happens to be a law of a country you're dealing with, then stepping into their jurisdiction while knowing you're wanted, that's called stupid. You are defending stupid because you are stupid.
This is not a reach. She faces trial, her arrest was announced, she's in perfect shape and it's verifiable. Not so with China's 1 million disappeared Uighurs, you APOLOGIST COWARD BILL.
Hur dee durr you're a tard for sure. Clearly AC has knowledge about the topic but doesnt know Japan isnt China.
God you're fucking dumb. So dumb you make Dothead Stinkdus seem intelligent.
It's past your bedtime, junior.
How many times, over how many centuries, does the Supreme Court have to keep ruling on this before you recognize the stare decisis?
You say "arguably" - that was argued in 1865, and SCOTUS ruled that the Constitution means what it says. Most famously in the last fifty years, Ford pardoned Nixon, so the country could move forward from that mess - without an indictment or arrest.
> when an actual arrest has been made, it becomes increasingly difficult for a President ...
> acting before would likely create a Constitutional crisis of some sort.
So your argument is that "power to pardon any ..." means not before it goes to court, and not after?
The question *could* have caused a Constitutional crisis - in the 1800s, but it didn't. SCOTUS decided the question, as is their role, and that was that. A hundred years later most people thought the President SHOULDN'T pardon Nixon, but nobody made a serious claim that he COULDN'T.
Here's a question SCOTUS has NOT yet ruled on.
Can a President pardon *himself*?
Most legal scholars say "yes, but Burdick v. United States would almost guarantee impeachment".
Under Burdick, accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. If a President were to pardon himself, he would be admitting guilt. Based on this admission (and the ugliness of pardoning oneself), impeachment would follow.
Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
Your comment seems to be predicated on Huawei being some kind of behemoth which it is not.
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If we could just get Mark Zuckerberg and Donald Trump to travel to Bejing we could instantly solve two major problems in the US
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Because America rules the world. Mwaahahahah
But China doing it doesn't justify USA doing anything similar
You gotta understand this one thing --- OP is a solid Trump supporter.
Anything that Trump dislikes, for example, China , OP will do everything to see to it that China must be punished.
Slashdot is no longer a place where commenters can carry out an open-discussion.
Slashdot has become a place where no one can criticize America without being voted down to oblivion.
> Can a restaurant comp an appetizer if you never ordered an appetizer?
Yes. Hopefully they bring me free mozzarella sticks.
> if they haven't actually been given a sentence to pardon?
A *sentence* is commuted. A *person* is pardoned. Two tially different things.
So basically you said "how kiss a person if they haven't been given a toilet to flush?"
In 1866, the question came up of whether a President can pardon someone who hasn't been charged. The answer was yes. SCOTUS ruled then, and a couple times since then. If you were paying attention in history class, you might recall most Americans were unhappy when President Ford pardoned Nixon, who hadn't been charged with anything.
Bring Wanzhou Meng to trail in the US for violating the sanctions against Iran. The defense can just claim that the Iranian sanctions are illegal. The US has no grounds or evidence to impose them other than as an attempt to interfere with Iran's economy. Iran turns around and files a WTO complain and the US has to retreat with it's tail between its legs.
We should be Canadian about this - "So sorry for arresting you. We're putting you an a plane for Beijing in an hour. No hard feelings eh. Here, have some maple syrup and smoked salmon. Oh wait, here's some BC bud too."
None of them can see the clouds; The polished wings don't care.
"American" doesn't mean "diverse". "American" means "placing the individual above the collective"; the individual is the minority that requires the greatest protection from tyranny.
Whether this respect for the individual results in what you might call "diversity" is utterly irrelevant.
IIRC, corporations of other countries have ignored US laws regarding Iran and nothing bad happened to them. This is about politics, not about criminals.
China doesn't have extradition agreements with the rest of the world, like the USA does. Plus the USA doesn't allow other countries to enforce their laws on US citizens, as much as possible. This allows the USA to enforce US law on most people. I remember, a few months ago, the USA demanding direct jurisdiction in New Zealand: NZ refused.
Japan got nuked because the USA were the first to get nukes. Now that many countries have them, try to do it. Try to nuke China and you will see the USA turned into a radioactive wasteland.
We're still in Korea. So, uh... The Vietnam War ended a long time ago. Korean War, not ended so much. Just smoldering endlessly.
Cross your fingers, maybe next year!
You still bombed the hell out of it and not declaring a war makes no difference. In essence, you carpet bombed villiges, to deny viet cong save haven, creating mass concentration camps of homeless peasants.
Talk about winning hearts and minds. At the end, you even prevented india sending buffalos to help starving country. Why do you think soldiers hated it?
First we break the Iran treaty because of trumped up allegations, then we expect the world to follow, even though all other parties involved stand by the Iran treaty and repeatedly stated that there is no proof of Iran breaking the treaty.
And then, just to top things off, we take the daughter of a CEO hostage to extort him to shut down his business with Iran.
That will show the rest of the world that we will always stand by our word and can be trusted as a reliable partner at all times.
Guess we left the moral high ground.
US Congress decides to make it illegal to sell goods to Iran.
Does that give US Authorities the right to arrest any non-US Citizen anywhere in the world?
For an alleged crime that is committed outside of US territory!
Well they going to need...
Retard tense?
US President disrespects international agreement signed by former US president and makes trade with Iran illegal.
As a consequence non-US Citizens are arrested on non-US territory for allegedly breaking US law in non-US territory.
Is that really what is happening here?
If so, I find it deeply disturbing.
with big nukes.
Deep State hates the Orange man.
Because America doesn't like free trade. They want to control with laws and regulations what countries are allowed to buy what products.
For example America is trying to make China buy more American agricultural products. Fuck all those other countries that China is buying them from now. America wants to force China to buy American.
Ugh! Ugh! Orange Man Bad!!!!
Yah, well, your type is always shaking, if not "literally" and with anger.
Maybe you should get checked for Parkinson's?
Yet the two knuckleheads above didn't get that.
You still bombed the hell out of it and not declaring a war makes no difference.
No, we didn't bomb the hell out of it.
We should have done nothing or gone to war. Instead we engaged in stupid proxy bullshit and sent thousands of marines to defend locations of no importance out in the jungle.
If we had declared war, we would have had an objective and support. Instead we sent men to sit in hell and wait to die for no reason. But Congress didn't want to declare war, because of the red scare.
Korea's still going on. Trump may be the one to finally end it.
Everything correct except for Iran being terrorist country. I remind you that al-Quaeda is actually american creation. USofA actions against ISIS are also murky at best. Several times US airforce was bombing Iraqi/Syrian army in middle of battle with ISIS that resulted in terrorists victory. USofA is the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world.
Slurp! Slurp! You love the taste of old orange balls. SAD.
Right. At the high end China has 80 ICBMs (packing a clone of the w88 warhead design they stole). If we hit them preemptively those ICBMs are gone, and as for the remainder of their nukes on bombers for a retaliatory strike: good luck getting through the USAF. No, bottom line is you're a US hating pussy and lather up at the prospect of the yanks losing.
That's interesting, thanks
It's how ghetto black Americans talk. You'll have to forgive him, I'm sure he has a ton of excuses and scapegoats to blame for his lack of education and lack of success in life.