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Japan is Giving Away Free Houses (fastcompany.com)

There are some 8 million abandoned homes -- or akiya -- in Japanese suburbia, according to The Japan Times . And if you've got a visa allowing you to live in Japan, some of them can be yours for free or very low prices, and the government may give you a subsidy to renovate one. From a report: There are even databases devoted to helping people find these homes, known as "akiya banks." What's driving the government to give away homes? In part, it has to do with Japan's aging population: According to the World Bank, the country's population decreased by -0.2% in 2017 alone, while China and the U.S. slowly grew 0.6% and 0.7% respectively. There are simply fewer people in Japan than there once were -- roughly 1.3 million fewer people than in 2010 by one count [paywall].

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  1. The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So how do the Japanese feel about a bunch of foreigners as next door neighbors.

    1. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So long as you stay in main metropolises like Tokyo or Kyoto? Maybe. A big maybe.

      Leave that and go into more rural areas, like this offer, and you're going to be introduced to actual Japanese culture, which functions on blood ties like most East Asian cultures do. You being a foreigner will always be a foreigner, because of your bloodline. Those are places where being even genetically half Japanese gets you severely discriminated against at every turn.

      Outside the primary Western countries, "racist assholes" are what is known as "normal people".

    2. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      They aren't foreigners, they were there before the Japaneese.

      Although the catbus one is a hazard in the traffic.

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    3. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      Blame the Christian missionaries working hand in glove with the merchants and the military for it. The cultures that survived the three pronged attack, the missionaries providing kind services like schools and hostpitals, while destroying the foundations of culture, pride and loyalty to their kings one one prong. Merchants dumping goods at loss to bankrupt the local uneducated merchant class was the second prong. Military attacking their governments was the third. Most countries succumbed to this in the early colonial era, India being the biggest crown jewel of that strategy.

      Cultures that survived the onslaught has developed a very healthy immunity that is to be suspicious of all Western people. To gain respect in rural Japan, you need to work for three or four generations there showing respect. Then you will be treated well. Go in there with some superiority attitude, you will be smacked down hard.

      It is interesting in Christianity you inherit the sins of your original parents, Adam and Eve. Western law says, you dont inherit the debt of your parents. Only any excess assets after settling the debts. In rural Japan you arrive with all the inherited sins of your forefathers.

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    4. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Nice narrative, that has nothing to do with observable reality. White people have it the best in terms of being foreigners in East Asia. They're pretty much the top crop of foreigners after those who have some limited neighbourly ties, i.e. Japan-Korea-China triangle.

      Those who are by far the most discriminated against are black Africans of all black African ethnicities. Followed almost perfectly in order of skin colour tone from darkest to whitest. Overwhelming majority of people who are the most discriminated against come from regions and cultures that had effectively no contact with East Asian cultures in the time you're describing.

      So your claim isn't just wrong. It's wrong in the worst way possible - being the diametric opposite of right.

    5. Re: The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Which is really good compared to how they treat black skinned Polynesians or even worse, Africans.

    6. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by SinGunner · · Score: 1

      I'd say over half of Japanese "racism" toward whites is just wanting to avoid an awkward situation at all costs. Speaking Japanese well eliminates almost all racism (not counting the institutionalized variety, of course).

    7. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      That sounds a lot like you have never lived outside Tokyo/Kyoto, and you have problems picking up social cues. The racism even toward people who are half Japanese and are born and raised in the country is well documented.

    8. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by Typing_Ptarmigan · · Score: 1

      The Japanese are overall pretty welcoming. I'm sure there are a few racist assholes like we have here, people too stubborn and uneducated and inexperienced with the world to know any better. Mostly not though.

      Apparently you have never heard of the word "gaijin" before now.

    9. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by SinGunner · · Score: 1

      I said "whites". Your suggestion that half-Japanese would be higher up the totem pole of acceptability is a bit of a rookie mistake for someone who believes I'm poor at picking up on social cues, ne?

    10. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I see that you're utterly incapable of comprehending the point I made, which is quite simple to someone who's isn't having problems in the fields I suggested.

      Hint: If half white half japanese person who is completely culturally Japanese has problems I describe, foreigner with language skills is going to have it worse. Much worse. Because inclusion into groups is a spectrum - some people are simply closer to the inner circles of trust than others.

    11. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by samdu · · Score: 1

      Here's a good piece from the Japan Times:

      https://www.japantimes.co.jp/o...

    12. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by SinGunner · · Score: 1

      Being half is a much bigger impediment than being white in terms of social integration. They are viewed as some sort of ideal and thus an artificial barrier is created. It's a tough barrier because of its rarity, meaning there are no established social conventions regarding Japanese/half interactions. And it doesn't help that the native person tends to consider themselves inferior to the half. If white people are alien in Japan, half is doubly so. For a Japanese/white interaction, it's alien/alien on both sides, so there's lots of forgiveness. For a Japanese/half interaction, it's native/unknown from the Japanese perspective and native/alien from the half perspective (I haven't met a half person who doesn't understandably consider themselves "alien" in Japan). If you look Asian but not fully Japanese, the predisposition is to treat you like one of the races that more legitimately suffer from racism in Japan. Why on earth do you think being "native" half would be some sort of gold standard for the most easily socially integrated race?

    13. Re: The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      You're confusing "Japanese politeness" with "lack of different of treatment based on race". If anything, if Japanese never drop the extreme politeness, it means you remain stranger to them and they're not letting you into any kind of trust-based relationship.

    14. Re:The Jeffersons: Japanese style. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I already addressed this point before. I'm not going to bother debunking it again.

  2. Giving away free houses? by fredrated · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean they are not charging for the free houses? How unusual.

    1. Re:Giving away free houses? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are free as in speech.

  3. Detroit's done the same thing before. by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    the question is are there jobs?

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    1. Re:Detroit's done the same thing before. by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Or, another question: can I retire there? That will help with the aging population, right?

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    2. Re:Detroit's done the same thing before. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Asian countries are difficult to retire to, but yes you can.
      However as it is Japan, you won't come around learning to speak it. (not necessarily write it)

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    3. Re:Detroit's done the same thing before. by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      the question is are there jobs?

      There are for programmers, even if you don't speak Japanese, but you need to pass an interview, and it's difficult to do so if you don't understand the culture. (Maybe you will get lucky and just mesh naturally with the culture, but I sure didn't).

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    4. Re:Detroit's done the same thing before. by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      Depends on the country. There are entire foreign enclaves in places like Thailand. They typically specialize to serve a certain nationality, basically sucking up Western pensioner's pensions to guarantee a fairly high quality of life due to country itself being much poorer than country that pensioner comes from.

      Rich East Asian countries like Japan don't really fit that bill though. These countries have enough problems with their own elderly as it is.

    5. Re:Detroit's done the same thing before. by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      basically sucking up Western pensioner's pensions to guarantee a fairly high quality of life due to country itself being much poorer than country that pensioner comes from.

      So in other words, commerce. Both sides benefit from the exchange.

    6. Re:Detroit's done the same thing before. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you view as "other side". Pension payer does not benefit for example, which is why if the pension system accounts for the fact that money will be spend within the economy that is being taxed to pay the said pension, this is a harmful exchange to said economy.

  4. Re:The huricane swept all by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    the radiation away... the houses are safe :)

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  5. Re: There's one downside about the houses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not like Iâ(TM)m gonna read the fucking article lol

  6. Don't get too excited. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As fun as it may be to visit, Japanese culture is still "uncomfortable" with foreigners moving to Japan. Japanese youth love American culture but it's more like how people in the US like Anime: it's a sliver of their culture and not really representative of anything. Depending on how they process applications, they may be trying to get expatriated Japanese to return to Japan. Essentially, the Japan majority is like those in the US who want to build a giant border wall but it's all just below the surface like the rampant racism in parts of the US.

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    1. Re:Don't get too excited. by Gavagai80 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Essentially, the Japan majority is like those in the US who want to build a giant border wall

      Japan has a giant border moat. Their border wall will be for coping with sea level rise.

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    2. Re:Don't get too excited. by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Japanese culture is still "uncomfortable" with foreigners moving to Japan

      No they aren't. As bad as it sounds they are uncomfortable with *specific* foreigners moving to Japan. Americans and Europeans generally don't need to worry too much. Actually unless you're Korean, Chinese, you have a year around tan or if you feel a compulsion to lay down a rug and smash your head against the ground 5 times a day while facing northwest then you'll be welcomed in general.

      But your culture thing is true in general of all countries. We typically like absorbing the good and not the bad. In many cases we spend so much time focusing on the good that we don't even understand the bad until we're forced to (e.g. move there).

    3. Re:Don't get too excited. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As someone who did move to Japan for a while I can tell you that it's not quite that simple. It depends where you are for a start, but more generally it tends to be hard at first because the language is hard and the culture is very different and many people are a bit frightened of you. Not frightened of violence of crime or anything like that, but worried that they won't be able to understand you or help you and end up being embarrassed.

      After a while you reach a point where that doesn't happen any more. I don't know how it works exactly, but at some point you start giving off subconscious signals that you fit in. I remember quite distinctly when I first noticed it. An old woman at the bus stop asked me to open a bottle for her, and then to keep an eye out her for bus because she couldn't see well in the twilight. It might have been my accent, or rather lack of it... More than once people have asked if I am Japanese, but the plight of white Japanese people is another story.

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    4. Re:Don't get too excited. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Japan has a giant border moat. Their border wall will be for coping with sea level rise.

      Japan's plan is to turn their entire island into a gigantic mecha that can transform from a boat into a robot that explores the stars. Sea level rise is no problem.

      That, or they're just totally fucked.

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    5. Re:Don't get too excited. by Koreantoast · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As someone who did move to Japan for a while I can tell you that it's not quite that simple. It depends where you are for a start, but more generally it tends to be hard at first because the language is hard and the culture is very different and many people are a bit frightened of you. Not frightened of violence of crime or anything like that, but worried that they won't be able to understand you or help you and end up being embarrassed.

      Completely agree. This is true for a lot of countries, but the Japanese especially have a rigid, very particular way of doing things, and if you don't understand how that flow works, you quickly stand out as that loose bolt that bounces around inside an otherwise fine tuned, well oiled machine. They give you grace because you're a foreigner, but that still doesn't mean they don't get annoyed by you messing up their neatly defined system.

    6. Re:Don't get too excited. by willy_me · · Score: 1

      They give you grace because you're a foreigner, but that still doesn't mean they don't get annoyed by you messing up their neatly defined system.

      Like most places, Japan is very welcoming of foreign visitors. They understand that your culture is different and that you are not intentionally being an ass. But if you plan on staying then you had better learn to adjust your behavior. Their tolerance only lasts so long and they do not want you forcing your culture into their daily life. They same can be said for any culture.

  7. Free houses!? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a good place to retire!

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    1. Re:Free houses!? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a good place to retire!

      Pff! Good luck with that, gaijin.

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    2. Re:Free houses!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Requirement is that you are a couple with kids under 20 (with at least 1 partner under 50 if I recall correctly), or that you are under 40 if you are single.

      You also need to move there full time.

  8. Earthquake proofing is questionable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Japan is hit by earthquakes all the time. This has resulted on some very strict building codes and they are getting more and more strict. At the same time companies invent new ways of protecting the buildings from damage.

    In 1995, Kobe was hit by a magnitude 7.2 quake. That went very bad, but it was a learning experience. It revealed a lot of flaws, which could be corrected. It turned out that the typhoon protection in the roofs of a lot of buildings made them deathtraps in case of major earthquakes and the design is now banned in new buildings.

    In 2011 a magnitude 9.0 hit and lasted for an amazing 5 minutes. We have all seen the videos of cities being flooded by a tsunami. However most people missed the big news regarding the buildings. They were still standing. It was the most powerful quake ever measured in Japan and one of the most powerful ever recorded, yet the buildings survived. The reason is they replaced the buildings with modern ones, which fulfills the modern building codes. The Kobe quake era buildings would not have had a chance to survive.

    Because of this, buildings in Japan lose value fast. People want new buildings with new safety. You can encounter houses with negative value meaning the plot would be worth more without houses. The thinking is that the old houses have to be torn down, meaning it's just an extra expense.

    Now there are abandoned houses being offered for free. I think we can assume those houses aren't state of the art. In fact odds are they are pre 1995. Not only is that a safety issue, they might be uninsulated because traditionally Japan added temporal insulation during the winter because insulation would make houses too hot in the summer. On top of that the houses are in locations with de-population issues. If they were in good locations, the houses would be sold as building plots. This means poor job options in the areas of the free houses.

    It's not a good offer. I don't think anybody will accept such houses, even for free. However if it's possible to get fast internet access, like optic fiber, then just maybe somebody will use this to start internet based businesses. It could create some upstarts, which can't afford to get enough storage space in the cities.

    If the Japanese government would really do something to keep people in rural areas, they should look to the railroads. Right now they let people pay for railroads locally and if there aren't enough people, they will reduce the number of trains, close the line and use buses and then close the bus lines. So far every time a railroad dies, the community dies and it's a big topic in Japan because it makes it harder to keep people in farming communities, which in turn means less production of food for the cities. They know this and debate funding, but nothing happens. There are other issues like no daycare, meaning it's a problematic area if you want to have children. It looks like the government makes a move with free houses because it's free for them too (more or less), but as long as they aren't touching the reason why the houses have been abandoned and become unsellable, it will have a hard time being a success.

    1. Re:Earthquake proofing is questionable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not only is that a safety issue, they might be uninsulated because traditionally Japan added temporal insulation

      What does insulation have to do with time?

      A 10 year old house have the insulation, which was normal for new houses 10 years ago.
      A 15 year old house have the insulation, which was normal for new houses 15 years ago.
      A 20 year old house have the insulation, which was normal for new houses 20 years ago.

      Noticed a pattern? It's not time itself, which is the issue. A 20 year old house is insulated as well today as it was 10 years ago. Time/age tells when the house was built and it's all about how new houses were normally insulated during construction at the time.

      Sure houses can be upgraded, but since we are talking about abandoned houses, which have been for sale for years, odds are that you shouldn't count on awesome upgrades and the year of construction would be a reasonable assumption for the type of construction.

    2. Re:Earthquake proofing is questionable by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Because of this, buildings in Japan lose value fast.

      It's... just a wee bit more complicated than that. It's a cultural thing that goes back quite a ways. Japan values land more than buildings on that land.

  9. One problem by deimios666 · · Score: 1

    But tearing down homes is costly, and a decades-old tax break that promotes construction by setting property tax on vacant lots at six times the level of those with buildings discourages demolition.

    Well maybe, just maybe they could adjust the tax to encourage people to at least tear them down.

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    1. Re:One problem by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      It seems like the tax is designed to prevent "tear down and sit on land/sell vacant lot." As opposed to "tear down and rebuild.

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  10. Re: There's one downside about the houses... by HarrySquatter · · Score: 1

    What kind of dumbassery are you spewing?

    From Merriam-Webster:

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    : his or her : HIS, HER, ITS —used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent
    anyone in their senses
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  11. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Far less than rural America is. I lived there for 6 years, several areas. I never had a problem. They mostly have problems with stupid tourists who get drunk and pick fights and reputations evolve from there. Americans, Britons.
    The usual. They tend to have an "american-esque" attitude towards people who don't bother to learn the language, because as a near monoculture it stands out. You wouldn't fear a racist attack like in the US, as Japanese do.
    Crime is pretty uncommon there. Whether or not people mumble things under their breath or in private about gaijinn tourists I really can't say, but as far as outspoken racist nutters, you won't find many if any.

    Try that in a red state and report back your findings, right?

  12. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So basically, you're confusing East Asian culture of politeness with "not being racist".

    Funny part is, most East Asian languages now have a slur specifically for people like you, essentially describing that dumb foreigner that doesn't get the fact that politeness is culturally forced. Not genuine.

  13. Re:The huricane swept all by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    Not yet. The soil's contaminated. Need a tsunami.

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  14. Re:Xenophobia and huge barriers to immigration by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    The word is 'doublethink'.

    When The Party pushes two contradictory beliefs, and you happily accept both and manage so without ever feeling bothered by the contradiction.

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  15. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by LostInTaiwan · · Score: 1

    Sure, rural Japan can be very racist. They will politely refuse you service, or simply ignore you. Unlike rural US, where American racist will simply kill or main you. That's is the difference between the rural Japanese racists and rural American racists.

  16. Send the Refugees to Japan by DalM · · Score: 1

    I'm kinda serious...

    Japan needs young people and families. Millions of young people and families need safe places to live and raise their children. There may be some synergy there.

    1. Re:Send the Refugees to Japan by DalM · · Score: 1

      one question: what's the problem with an aging population?

      Ok, there are lot's of problems. For example, if there are too many people withdrawing and not enough paying in, it bankrupts a national social security system. (Or any retirement system.) It also stresses other tax sources because older people tend to spend less and bring in less taxable revenue. It's important for a society to have a good mix of ages. Too much of any one demographic causes problems.

      ok. and what's the problem with the migrants we're talking about?

      Migrants have lots of problems. That's why they are migrants. They wouldn't be migrants if they didn't have problems they were trying to escape.

      not to mention it will literally be the end of japan
      you genocidal piece of shit

    2. Re:Send the Refugees to Japan by DalM · · Score: 1

      I think Japan will be ok.

  17. Re:Population growth by Bengie · · Score: 2

    This is why natural languages are horrible for communicating technical information.

  18. Yoko's Housemate? by gazelam · · Score: 1

    The only downside that I see is that in order to get a free house you have to be Yoko's housemate. That girl is CRAAAZY.

  19. Re:Really more of: by EvilAlphonso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For sure. America definitely made them invade and rape China.

    The invasion part is shared between 7 members of the 8 nations alliance who thought it would be a good idea to invite 'freshly Westernized Japan' to a nice little punitive expedition in China following the Boxer rebellion... where Japan provided a third of the ships and 40% of the ground troops. America was indeed part of those seven countries, however Germany probably played a more active role in teaching them the rape part.

    Oh, and attack the US. Definitely, all things, no matter what, are America's fault.

    Japan was an isolationist country until America decided to use canons to force-open Japanese ports to US trade, ending 254 years of relative peace in Japan and triggering a civil war. Japan had neither the desire nor the means to interfere abroad until America went there. After America went there, the new Japanese government had to modernize the country or face having the same thing happen again.

  20. Pay for plumbing by spinitch · · Score: 1

    There are small towns desperate to spread cost of upkeep where infrastructure deteriorated. Water pipes old need replacement. These towns are very rural and have limited income capacity. There are some factory jobs or farming jobs. Need at least an intermediate Japanese skill.

  21. Re:There's one downside about the houses... by Megol · · Score: 1

    They are not - one must have special permission to even enter the inner zone. You may have a different definition of "near"?

  22. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Luckyo · · Score: 2

    You sound like a person so utterly naive and sheltered, that the very basics of human interaction are utterly shocking to you. To the point where you feel the need to attack the messenger for just stating the said basics of human interaction.

  23. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    It usually refers to "white leftie", which is what Chinese variant of it literally translates to.

  24. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    You think there are "full-blown out-in-the-open-lynchings" going on in "rural America"?

    Ok. Good luck with the rest of your life.

  25. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    Where the hell is that happening? It isn't here in the US.

  26. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    "Unlike rural US, where American racist will simply kill or main you."

    Who spreads this nonsense? There aren't people being killed or maimed in the US for racist nonsense.

    There are certain political factions that will take anything they can spin into being related to racist or that involved a racist as a hate crime to drum up stats, They also count things like a school child carving a racist symbol into a locker/desk/the snow as hate crimes.

    If you check the statistics almost every instance of actual racially motivated death comes back to gang activity, usually ex-cons. Prisons in the US are highly racially segregated, there are racially derived gangs and surviving in prison basically means joining one. You'll come out a monster because that's what prisons do with people of every other collar trying to shank and rape you on the daily. So if you are a white guy that means you inevitably walk out racist with a swastika tattoo. That ex-con robs a liquor store and shoots someone, tada they call it a hate crime because of the tattoo.

  27. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    You are three times more likely to be killed by lightning strike in the US than in a race motivated crime.

  28. Re: I don't think they need you Luckyo by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    Almost all of it is ex-cons and gang activity.

    Even so you are three times more likely to die by lightning strike in the US than by racist.

  29. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    It's even worse in South Korea with the recent feminist scandal they are having.

  30. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    So you admit that you lied in your initial statement?

  31. Re:Really more of: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Defending the claim the US is responsible for Pearl Harbor by citing a breached trade embargo in a different century gets +4.

    Slashdot, you have jumped the shark.

    Is this place nothing but trolls and "Lol US BAD" memes?

  32. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by wyHunter · · Score: 1

    Have you ever been to rural America? If you have, you haven't been to the same one I have been to.

  33. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who spreads this nonsense? There aren't people being killed or maimed in the US for racist nonsense.

    Really?

    Really?!

  34. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    High profile anecdotes mean nothing. There are over 325 million people in the US and no shortage of murders any given day, hour or even minute rare stops being rare with those kind of numbers.

    But there are not known hate crime related deaths, even though they automatically count it as one if someone racist was involved, every minute or hour because they are rare. Again, since 2015, you are three times more like likely to be killed by lightning strike.

    This is just a political drum that gets beaten hard, loud, and often to drive fear, uncertainly, and doubt.

  35. Re:Houseboats by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    always wanted a houseboat :)

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  36. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    37 years ago, and resulted in convictions for everyone, including a death penalty. That's the time when Soviet Union was still the main threat to US.

    Totally fits the narrative of "full-blown out-in-the-open lynchings" happening today.

  37. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A low rate does not mean zero, especially when it comes to human lives. A quick Google says an average of 400 people are injured by lightning a year in the US. So by your numbers 133 people are injured by a hate crime a year.

    Your original statement of there not being people killed or maimed in the US by racists is false.

    I'm not saying the GP wasn't being hyperbolic, but lets not fight it with more of the same.

  38. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    "A low rate does not mean zero, especially when it comes to human lives."

    A low rate can be effectively zero. If it were zero we'd have no concept of death. People day, every day, thousands and thousands of people die from all sorts of things.

    "So by your numbers 133 people are injured by a hate crime a year."

    Yes, while I don't have the statistics to back it up based on my conversations with ER nurses I'd put that number to be dramatically lower than the number of people who are injured due to shoving a light bulb up their rectum each year. 2.8 million people were hospitalized due to injuries in 2015. 14,800 died from opioid overdose. 325,000 children were injured from sports and recreational related activities. In other words, so low relative to almost any other cause as to be effectively zero. There are so few that there isn't enough work across the entire country of 325m+ people to dedicate 1 doctor and have him work full time. The cost of the comments from the news correspondents trying to create the impression this is a serious issue in a single day would pay that doctor for the medical treatment of everyone it happens to for the next 5-10 years.

    "Your original statement of there not being people killed or maimed in the US by racists is false."

    That is not a COMPLETE statement I've made. You've cherry picked a headliner statement and ignored the text below it where I myself indicate deaths. I also did not say "by a racist" I said FOR racist nonsense. Most of the people who are killed by racists are prison gang members killing other prison gang members... most frequently, they are killing people of the same race!

  39. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by samdu · · Score: 1

    "Who spreads this nonsense?"

    Check YouTube for "reactions to Trump winning" videos. Those people. I was as surprised as most that the dude won (didn't vote for him, nor would I), but there is a segment of the US population that lost their shit because dumb hillbillies, sub-human, racist yokels that don't live in NY or LA showed up to vote because those people consider them dumb hillbillies that are sub-human racists.

  40. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by samdu · · Score: 1

    Ask the Koreans if the Japanese are racist. I have always been enthralled by Japanese culture, but it's really no secret that it's a pretty racist society.

  41. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    It's literally been already cited by another AC in reply to this very post.

  42. Re:I don't think they need you Luckyo by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Not very literate, are you? Here's a link to said reply.

    https://slashdot.org/comments....