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Ranks of Crypto Users Swelled in 2018 Even as Bitcoin Tumbled (bloomberg.com)

It turns out that cryptocurrency enthusiasts were committed well beyond the HODL rallying call that urged them to hold on during this year's digital-asset market collapse. From a report: The number of verified users of cryptocurrencies almost doubled in the first three quarters of the year even as the market bellwether Bitcoin tumbled almost 80 percent, according to a study from the Cambridge Centre for Alternative Finance. Users climbed from 18 million to 35 million this year. The figures may provide a silver lining. If user numbers continue to increase even in a deep market downturn, that could signal that an eventual recovery could be coming -- a crucial finding at a time when some critics predict that the value of cryptocurrencies will go down to zero.

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  1. I had to start by olsmeister · · Score: 0

    It was the only way my sports betting site was going to let me cash out profits.

    1. Re:I had to start by gnick · · Score: 1

      Buying shit on the dark web, gambling, ransoms, and questionable investments seem to be Bitcoin's strong points.

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  2. Hopefully the rich 1% invested heavily... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in bitcoin... CRASH!

    1. Re: Hopefully the rich 1% invested heavily... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To the moon?

  3. Sure, because it's being used to pay for stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The vast majority of the world's money is held in electronic form, with a small percentage existing as banknotes and coins.

    There are more people than ever using Bitcoin as "banknotes and coins", despite its decline in value as a store of wealth or speculative vehicle.

    1. Re:Sure, because it's being used to pay for stuff by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      There are more people than ever using Bitcoin as "banknotes and coins",

      Is that a fact or a suspicion?

      I kind of suspect using as money has gone out of favour because fewer places want to take it now- 6 months ago there were a lot more places that accepted bitcoin than there is now.

      The number of wallets may have grown- but I would suspect that it is still almost exclusively an investment and [almost] no one is getting into bitcoin with the pure intention of using it as a currency.

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    2. Re: Sure, because it's being used to pay for stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check bitcoinmonitor for yourself. Though other cryptoâ(TM)s are a lot more efficient, and thus used more often, for fast transfers

  4. Bitcoin will always have a base by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Bitcoin especially, will always have a base of users - because there is no alternative that offers the same features (well other than other digital currencies), not even cash (and cash is in theory less universal, though the dollar comes closest to working everywhere).

    Sometimes I wonder if anti-Bitcoin propaganda and manipulation may not be some kind of U.S. intervention, to keep the value of the dollar propped up since it's used around most of the world as a supported currency.

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    1. Re:Bitcoin will always have a base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Bitcoin especially, will always have a base of users - because there is no alternative that offers the same features

      No. Some form of crypto-currency may always have a user-base, but Bitcoin itself is poorly implemented. In fact, I don't see any reason why Bitcoin won't go extinct once a better alternative is implemented. But as Richard Stallman recently pointed out, each alternative that is currently available suffers from "serious problems, perhaps in its security or its scalability". Once those problems are solved, I suspect that Bitcoin will disappear.

    2. Re:Bitcoin will always have a base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for educating the breathless fangirl Kendall. Don't stop now! Just about every topic has a lot to teach that deplorable incel, stopping at bitcoin's relative viability is just an unfair cut to her education.

    3. Re:Bitcoin will always have a base by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Bitcoin especially, will always have a base of users - because there is no alternative that offers the same features (well other than other digital currencies), not even cash (and cash is in theory less universal, though the dollar comes closest to working everywhere).

      Sometimes I wonder if anti-Bitcoin propaganda and manipulation may not be some kind of U.S. intervention, to keep the value of the dollar propped up since it's used around most of the world as a supported currency.

      Indeed, a lot of people were calling it a tulip investment and that always seemed wrong. Yeah, the bottom fell out of the market but it didn't totally collapse. Bitcoin is still stronger than it was a year ago. Too late for the get rich quick schemers, but it still holds some value.

      Never lived up to the tulip predictions that some on here espoused.

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    4. Re:Bitcoin will always have a base by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I don't see any reason why Bitcoin won't go extinct once a better alternative is implemented.

      I can give you two reasons why Bitcoin isn't on the chopping block anytime soon (despite better alternatives already existing).

      1) Inertia.
      2) "Brand" awareness.

      Nothing lasts forever of course, and Bitcoin will no longer exist one day, but I don't think we will see an imminent demise.

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    5. Re: Bitcoin will always have a base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitcoin is down from 1 year ago. 1 year ago, Bitcoin was $19,000. Now it is $3,300. You have to go back to July 2017 to see prices like this consistently, and it was going up back then whereas it is going down now.

    6. Re:Bitcoin will always have a base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tulip bulb market was not completely destroyed, tulips are still appreciated everywhere

    7. Re:Bitcoin will always have a base by sleepghost · · Score: 0

      You are right after a decade, we know for certain that the only real proportion of the buzzword 'blockchain' is hard money anti-censorship value transfer with trustless features. Only Bitcoin has all these proprieties. Bitcoin has just to survive; The Bitcoin's hard money features will keep it scarce; You don't have to like it; It will just impose itself.

    8. Re:Bitcoin will always have a base by timholman · · Score: 1

      But as Richard Stallman recently pointed out [slashdot.org], each alternative that is currently available suffers from "serious problems, perhaps in its security or its scalability".

      From what I've seen, they all suffer from exactly the same issues:

      (1) Anyone can create a cryptocurrency, harvest the lion's share of the coins, pump it, dump it, cash out, then do it all over again. There have been approximately 600 new cryptocurrencies released in the past 6 months. That's an average of about 3 new cryptocurrencies each day.

      (2) Every cryptocurrency promises untold wealth to those who get in early. Every major cryptocurrency advocate who isn't in it to scam the suckers instead is dreaming of becoming the new global elite, somehow thinking that the people in this world with the real wealth will be forced to use existing cryptocurrencies, instead of simply creating one of their own.

      It's a fascinating mass delusion, fueled by modern media. In the long run, the true believers are their own worst enemies, because they're all competing for the same goal - to become the richest person on earth by doing nothing more than holding some digital tokens created by some unknown parties. So inevitably they will turn on each other, and the whole mess will come crashing down.

    9. Re:Bitcoin will always have a base by ArthurVandelay9092 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I wonder if anti-Bitcoin propaganda and manipulation may not be some kind of U.S. intervention, to keep the value of the dollar propped up since it's used around most of the world as a supported currency.

      Money is power and sovereignty comes first to the people who make it.

    10. Re:Bitcoin will always have a base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There will always be a use for bitcoin so long as there is demand for it. It just turns out the demand is much, much, much, much lower than people though it would be about a year ago.

      The real anti-bitcoin propaganda is reality. The amount of cryptocurrency ventures that have not collapsed, been outright fraud (Or both) number in the fractions of a single percent. This is obvious to any sane observer.

      The facts don't care about your feelings. Crackpot conspiracy theories from low UID old men only get you Karma on Slashdot.

  5. GPU mining bloat by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Sure, millions of GPU miners, mining alt-coins and selling them for bitcoins, and the wiser ones then exchanging the bitcoins for their local fiat currency. Don't think of the handful of "enthusiasts" who built mining rigs. Think of many with a decent GPU in their PC who decided to let it mine when they were not otherwise using their PC. These people generated much bitcoin "usage". It was profitable until very recently and these people are bloating the cited stats.

    1. Re:GPU mining bloat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I'm pretty bullish on non-mining coins (nano, etc). I know a lot of folks shit on this, but I find it weird that people who bitch about bankers making money are ultimately bitching because *they* want to be the ones making money.. :: shrug ::

  6. Stick or twist? by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    This says the number of "users" increased. Does this mean that the number of people holding BTC has gone up?

    If so all that means is that rather than having speculators who buy on a rising market and then sell at a higher price to realise their gain (in proper money), those who were left holding the baby, as it were, have decided not to sell up and take a loss. Presumably they are hoping that at some point there will be an upturn and their loss might even turn into a profit.

    But that pattern of behaviour is one of hope rather than reality. Simply holding onto a worthless asset doesn't mean you might make some money from it in the future. It just means the holders are in denial.

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    1. Re:Stick or twist? by Diss+Champ · · Score: 1

      It also includes holders for whom the transaction costs of unloading it (including the value of their time) exceed the current value of their BTC.

    2. Re:Stick or twist? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      One user might not equal one human being. One human being might actually hold 1000 accounts. With all the hacking and stealing going on in the bitcoin community, it would be smart not to have all your holdings in one wallet. If I were inclined to hold bitcoin, I would spread out the risk as much as I could.

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    3. Re: Stick or twist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The number of people who lost bitcoins definitely went up, albeit through fraud, carelessness, incapability or plain old forgetfulness. Deflation based currencies have that inevitable scarcity endgame built in, automatically creating value out of nothing over time.

  7. Peak Good times. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of people feel that our economy has peaked, and that there is a downturn shortly down the road. (Which is backed up with the Interest rate inversion) During this time, people do rather erratic things, such as investing in a popping bubble thinking it had dropped as far as it went. Also with general fear and uncertainty they probably think Crypto Currency is a way to diversify their newly acquired wealth.

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  8. Users or holders? by cerberusss · · Score: 1

    I wonder what is defined as a "user". Does it mean the holder of the account? I don't actually think it means USING the bitcoins to pay for something.

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  9. Ignore biased moderators! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Biased moderators set that post to offtopic because they are memebrs of liberal clinton-soros deep state who want to control you. Ignore them.

    1. Re: Ignore biased moderators! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This 100%. Best way to own the libs is to buy bitcoin.

  10. Re:Smart by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

    If you're buying now, you already missed out.

  11. Fu** you! It is "cryptocurrency"! by gweihir · · Score: 0

    "Crypto" is short for cryptography, end of story. It is already abbreviated in "cryptocurrency". Also, cryptography is mostly an honorable business, while cryptocurrencies are mostly scam.

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    1. Re:Fu** you! It is "cryptocurrency"! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitcoin isn't encrypted. Nor does it use a cryptographic algorithm. It uses a "secure" hash function done in two rounds.

      Why are we calling these "crypto" currencies went in fact they are hash currencies?

    2. Re:Fu** you! It is "cryptocurrency"! by JMZero · · Score: 1

      The normal definition of "cryptographic algorithms" includes "cryptographic hash functions", which are used by cryptocurrencies.

      The crypto prefix also makes sense in the "hidden/occult/mystery" sense.

      I have no faith in any of them, but I think the term is well chosen.

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  12. bitcoin's value isn't itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The intent of bitcoin isn't to be a value container or investment object, but to easily and securely move value from one place to another without official oversight or control, and in this function it excels. Investing in cryptocurrency is kind of like investing in porn, the more popular it gets, the more ubiquitous it becomes, and the less value the individual pieces become. There's thousands of free porn sites, yet that isn't slowing down the porn industry from creating more as the money flows through advertising, not so much from selling the porn itself. Anyone and their brother can set up their own cryptocurrency, and if it can be used to trade goods and services without banks and governments getting their fingers on it, fantastic!
    If you look at the exchange rate, yes it looks like bitcoin has collapsed in the last year.
    If you look at bitcoin transactions per day, it's been climbing since the beginning of 2018, and has had 200k transactions or more per day since the start 2016, with very few days exception. This is in spite of a huge increase of alternate cryptocurrency choices, a perceived cryptocurrency bubble burst, and a couple forks.
    Watch the birdie, you'll miss the tiger.

    1. Re:bitcoin's value isn't itself by JMZero · · Score: 1

      Bitcoin absolutely does not excel at moving value from place to place. Transactions are slow and costly, and will get exponentially worse over time if usage were to increase. It also isn't particularly difficult to control, secure or private.

      You're right that these are all things people imagine about Bitcoin, but none of them are true. Other cryptocurrencies do better at all these measures and still aren't particularly useful.

      I find the whole thing bizarre/depressing.

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    2. Re:bitcoin's value isn't itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JMZero: You say that, but the truth is that there is usually 300 million dollars equivalent being traded every day, on a slow day. It hit 1.2 Billion dollars one day a few weeks ago.
      https://www.blockchain.com/charts/trade-volume?timespan=60days

      Transactions happen within minutes, every ten minutes on average by design, and the cost is usually less than a dollar per transaction regardless of transaction size (It's currently at 15 cents, although it did peek above $40 during the 2017 crazy period). Sure it's not instant, but you can move funds to anywhere, from anywhere, without any group's permission. Move it through your local bank, it will cost you way more than 15 cents, usually they want a percentage of the transaction, you would have to do it during bank hours, and it might take a couple days for the "funds to clear". Any transaction in the USA over $10k has to be declared with the IRS, and if you have more than a few hundred dollars cash on your person and get pulled over by the police, they can take and keep your money without trial. How in any way is that better?
      https://www.trustnodes.com/2018/09/05/one-billion-dollars-worth-bitcoin-move-100-million-sent-exchanges

      You say slow and costly, you can believe what you want, and yet there's 200k+ transactions per day, and growing.
      https://www.blockchain.com/en/charts/n-transactions

      I'm sorry you see this as bizarre/depressing. I think you're looking the wrong direction. Maybe you work at a bank?

  13. Working as intended? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is how a ponzi scheme is supposed to work, right? Get more people on the bottom of the rewards pile to prop up the price for the people on top?

  14. You don't understand what Bitcoin is meant to be by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    In fact, I don't see any reason why Bitcoin won't go extinct once a better alternative is implemented.

    There will indeed probably be some more viable (in terms of technical quality) solution in use eventually.

    Bitcoin Cash is supposed to be one of them... we shall see, I think it more likely to be Ethereum.

    What Bitcoin itself is supposed to be, is more of a digital currency base on which others can trade around. So even if data to day you might use Ethereum to pay for things, you'd hold a larger amount in Bitcoin you could use to transfer to other currencies.

    I think that is a likely scenario, Bitcoin has great widespread support, and as another responder noted "brand recognition" that counts for a lot, even in these early days of digital currency.

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  15. JUST ANOTHER DAMAGE CONTROL ATTEMPT!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMHO, this "news" trying really hard to change minds of bitcoin owners considering to sell!!!

    Bitcoin HODLers:

    Don't listen to shills trying to manipulate you into keep holding!!!
    Bitcoin is going towards TOTAL COLLAPSE!!!
    SELL NOW!!!
    (If you don't want become unable to sell, when it starts collapsing fast!!!)

  16. Re:Smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Found the mark. Smart people ignore youre advice and buy when the iron is hot which is NOW.

  17. THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES INCEL NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING. Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

  18. Easily explained: double-counting by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

    The number of users increased by a factor of 2, the number of cryptocurrencies increased by a factor of 20, and most of the "users" of cryptocurrencies use more than just 1, therefore they are all at least double-counted and they are fewer in number per cryptocurrency.

    Obviously paid-for crypto-currency "articles" like this one have been coming at us all week; someone is paying a lot of money to temporarily raise the bids so that they can offload at a smaller loss than if they sold now.

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  19. You say collapse, I think manipulation by mysidia · · Score: 1

    A little relaxation of the bullish trend; combined with introduction of futures and
    probably traditional financial companies shorting the hell out of BTC.

    What you need is statistics from major exchanges/BTC financial companies on...
    quantities of other peoples' BTC being used to make loans for entities shorting BTC.

    And how much "fake" / "paper" BTC is floating around that was created by short-sellers?

    (e.g. Bitcoins where someone has deposited, and the exchange loaned them out to Short Sell, then
    the buyer deposited to exchange and were loaned out again to Short Sell, resulting in fractional-reserve bitcoins,
    and the same BTC being sold on the market multiple times resulting in multiple buyers all "Owning" the same small numbers of Bitcoins)

  20. Volatility by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    It may be more useful as a currency when the price is bumping around dollars mark - so still a way to fall!

  21. Supply and demand by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    If cryptocurrency behaved like goods, we would have an increased demand while supply remain flat by design. That should raise prices.

  22. Crypto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think that it's like a lottery as for me. A couple years ago people wanted to get money just to invest money in Bitcoin or something now there are even more ways to do it as MotoCoin and so on. If you wil work on it you will get sometihng for sure!