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People Are Harassing Waymo's Self-Driving Vehicles (usatoday.com)

Waymo's testing dozens of self-driving mini-vans near Phoenix. Now the Arizona Republic asks why the vehicles are getting so much hate, citing "a slashed tire, a pointed gun, bullies on the road..."

"Police have responded to dozens of calls regarding people threatening and harassing Waymo vans." That was clear August 19, when police were called because a 37-year-old man who police described as "heavily intoxicated" was standing in front of a Waymo and not allowing the van to proceed. "He stated he was sick and tired of the Waymo vehicles driving in his neighborhood, and apparently thought the best idea to resolve this was to stand in front of one of these vehicles," Officer Richard Rimbach wrote in a report.

Phil Simon, an information systems lecturer at Arizona State University and author of several books on technology, said angst from residents is probably less about how the Waymo vans drive and more about people frustrated with what Waymo represents. "This stuff is happening fast and a lot of people are concerned that technology is going to run them out of a job," Simon said. Simon said it is hard for middle-class people to celebrate technological breakthroughs like self-driving cars if they have seen their own wages stagnate or even decline in recent years. "There are always winners and losers, and these are probably people who are afraid and this is a way for them to fight back in some small, futile way," Simon said. "Something tells me these are not college professors or vice presidents who are doing well."

Police used video footage from Waymo to identify the license plate of a Jeep that kept driving head-on toward Waymo's test car -- six different times, one in which the driver then slammed on the brakes, jumped out of their car, and demanded that Waymo get out of their neighborhood. Another local resident told the newspaper that "Everybody hates Waymo drivers. They are dangerous." On four separate occasions, people have thrown rocks.

A 69-year-old man was even arrested for pointing a revolver at the test driver in a passing Waymo car. He later told police he was trying to scare Waymo's driver, and "stated that he despises and hates those cars." He was charged with aggravated assault and disorderly conduct. The man's wife told reporters he'd been diagnosed with dementia, but the Arizona Republic calls it "one of at least 21 interactions documented by local police during the past two years where people have harassed the autonomous vehicles and their human test drivers," adding "There may be many undocumented instances where people threatened Waymo drivers..."

"The self-driving vans use radar, lidar and cameras to navigate, so they capture footage of all interactions that usually is clear enough to identify people and read license plates," the paper adds. (Waymo later cites its "ongoing work" with communities "including Arizona law enforcement and first responders.") When one local news crew followed Waymo vehicles for 170 miles to critique their driving, a Waymo driver eventually pulled into a police station "because the driver was concerned we might've been harassing them. After they learned we were with the media, they let us go on our way."

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  1. Massage that title a bit, please by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People Are Harassing Waymo's Self-Driving Vehicles

    Self-Driving Vehicles Are Harassing Waymo's People . . . would be more interesting.

    Self-Driving Vehicles Are Harassing Waymo's Self-Driving Vehicles . . . would be the pinnacle.

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  2. So... by BytePusher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why don’t communities vote on whether Waymo is allowed to drive in their town/neighborhood/street? Waymo could take the lead here and conduct the vote. Instead, they’re relying on lawyers, cops and greasy politicians, none of whom represent the people they’re charged with serving.

    1. Re:So... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why don’t communities vote on whether Waymo is allowed to drive in their town/neighborhood/street?

      Because we live in a free country, and the public roads should be accessible to anyone obeying the laws. A vote should not change that, anymore than a vote should be able to censor a newspaper or shut down a church.

      If you want to put restrictions on what others can do, the burden is on you to show they are harming you or infringing on your rights in a significant way.

      How is a Waymo car harming you in a way that a human driven car is not?

    2. Re:So... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Guaranteed that if those lawyers' and politicians' own jobs were threatened by technology, there would be a whole lot more barriers to this automation craze.

      Automation of legal research and legal document processing has been common for decades. Number of laws restricting progress in this area: 0.

    3. Re:So... by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because communities, subdivisions, etc. don't get to vote on who / what gets to drive on public roads that are maintained by public dollars.

      A few years back I recall a subdivision put up a roadblock / gate across a back entrance to a subdivision because of all the through traffic that was utilizing it as a means to bypass heavy traffic on the main street. They tried every trick in the book including the infamous " Think of the children " bullshit. They got educated in the whole public vs private roads issue as well and that roadblock was removed with haste with a warning that if it happened again there were a whole list of laws that would turn into an expensive court fight waiting for them.

      You want the final say so in who gets to drive on your roads ? You use private funds to install and maintain them on private property and you can have all the say so in the world. If you use public funding in any way to maintain your roads, you don't get to complain about who drives upon them as long as the vehicles are street legal.

    4. Re:So... by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you saying that a vote shouldn't be able to change the law?

      Laws can be changed, But the regulations about travel on the public road are the purview of state authorities not your neighbors. Because laws restrict freedom there are constitutional safeguards against "tyranny of the majority" in our republic on what laws can limit or prohibit, and laws that excessively limit freedom are subject to scrutiny based on evaluation of the rational basis or bonafide interest -- there are many laws about vehicle operation that are allowable as protecting safety; However, prohibiting all autonomous vehicles seems strictly discriminatory and not supportable under that rational basis, so the prohibition could very well be unconstitutional.

      Access to the publicly owned roads that happen to run through a particular neighborhood cannot simply be arbitrarily restricted by residents of that neighborhood as if they were private property.

      Blocking arbitrary members of the public or types of vehicles just because locals don't like them or feel uncomfortable about them isn't an acceptable proposition in a free society. Again, while voters can cause laws to be changed (If there are enough of them to persuade their state legislature to do so) there are limits on what laws are acceptable.

    5. Re:So... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you want to put restrictions on what others can do, the burden is on you to show they are harming you or infringing on your rights in a significant way.

      How is a peaceful citizen owning a fully-automatic weapon and thousands of rounds harming you or infringing on your rights in a significant way?

      Like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  3. Re:Protest smarter by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are much better ways of protesting than throwing rocks or pointing guns at the vehicle itself.

    They are not protesting. They are just venting their anger. It is only directed an Waymo because they aren't sure who else to blame.

    Protesting only makes sense when you can articulate an alternative. That isn't happening here.

    Automation is not going to go away no matter how they attack it.

    Then what is the point in protesting? It is going to happen no matter what. That is why they are angry.

    These are dumb and crazy people, frustrated with their lives, believing (correctly) that nobody gives a crap about them. Even voting for Trump didn't fix their problems. So now they are lashing out at a symbol of the world passing them by.

  4. Re:Yay! Cancer! by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To wit, has anyone considered the fallout to occur from thousands of radar units blasting people with small amounts of radiation, every day?

    Yes, they have, and it's negligible.

    You want to know what blasts people with large amounts of harmful radiation every day? The sun. It causes skin cancer in everyone who doesn't die of something else first. If you want to worry about radiation damage, start there.

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  5. Re:It's cute when kids tease robots though... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hopefully those kids will grow tired of it before they grow into adults.

    They will grow tired of it in about an hour. People rapidly adjust to new things. Some people rag on self-driving cars, but nobody is complaining about self-driving elevators and phones that no longer need human switchboard operators. Certainly no one complains about the automatic looms that riled up the original Luddites.

    They only complain about the "new" thing, and stop when it is no longer new.

  6. Re:If you can't take the heat, stay off the street by HiThere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, but you need to read about the protests against cars when horses started being replaced. This is one (of a number of) normal human reaction(s) to unforeseen changes. And that they didn't foresee it tells you about the kind of person they are.

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  7. Re:It got a waiver to the state driving test. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't like Google Recaptcha either. But what in hell does that have to do with their cars?

    What people don't like about automated cars is their scrupulously careful driving habits, which puts them in the way of garden-variety asshole motorists. The need for this will gradually go away as fewer and fewer human drivers share the road with them.

  8. Safe as a human by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think Waymo should take this as a learning experience; if their cars act human, than there is no problem. But they don't currently, so people don't like them. Do we not all want these cars to act human and therefore come close to being as safe as one?

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