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Cement is the Source of About 8% of the World's Carbon Dioxide Emissions (bbc.com)

Concrete is the most widely used man-made material in existence. It is second only to water as the most-consumed resource on the planet. But, while cement -- the key ingredient in concrete -- has shaped much of our built environment, it also has a massive carbon footprint. From a report: Cement is the source of about 8% of the world's carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, according to think tank Chatham House. If the cement industry were a country, it would be the third largest emitter in the world -- behind China and the US. It contributes more CO2 than aviation fuel (2.5%) and is not far behind the global agriculture business (12%). Cement industry leaders were in Poland for the UN's climate change conference -- COP24 -- to discuss ways of meeting the requirements of the Paris Agreement on climate change. To do this, annual emissions from cement will need to fall by at least 16% by 2030.

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  1. That's a trade I'm willing to make. by olsmeister · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're looking to cut CO2 emissions, please look elsewhere. Concrete is pretty much essential to life as we currently know it in the civilized world. Let's go back to building with wood and replicate the 1906 fire in San Francisco...

    1. Re:That's a trade I'm willing to make. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let's go back to building with wood and replicate the 1906 fire in San Francisco...

      Well, instead of wood, we could try sticks and straw.

      But then we might get a knock on the door:

      "Little pig, little pig, let me come in."
      "No, no, by the hair on my chiny chin chin."
      "Then I'll huff, and I'll puff, and I'll blow your house in."

      Personally, I'll make my house of bricks.

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    2. Re:That's a trade I'm willing to make. by Headw1nd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is far from a given that cement production has to release as much CO2 as it does now. I am in the building world, I will assure you nobody is giving up concrete, but there is a lot of research going into reducing the carbon footprint of cement, along with increasing its strength and decreasing its weight. Most concrete in this world is used to support other concrete, affordably reducing weight would go a long way to reducing demand.

    3. Re:That's a trade I'm willing to make. by Chas · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are several ways to fix it.
      There are ways to replace the portland cement.
      There's also ways to SEQUESTER CO2 in concrete as well.
      There are also forms of concrete that actually ABSORB CO2.

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    4. Re:That's a trade I'm willing to make. by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Modern concrete includes the seeds of its own demise - its steel rebar. The steel is protected from corrosion by the highly basic environment of the concrete, but the slowly cement begins being converted back to limestone by absorbing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. This lowers the pH. When the pH drops too much near the steel, it begins quickly rusting, expands nearly tenfold, and the concrete spalls out. Indeed, minimum wall thicknesses in many places have nothing to do with required compressive strength, and are rather just to protect the steel.

      FRP (fibre-reinforced plastic) rebar, by contrast, not only tolerates a more neutral pH, but actually prefers it. It's not a direct drop-in replacement (it bears tensile loads, but is poor (esp. when not using CFRP) at shear and compressive loads). But you can use small amounts of stainless rebar wherever you can't use FRP. Also, while you can bend FRP rebar along gentle curves, it can't handle sharp curves; you order pre-shaped curves for that. On the other hand, it's much easier to work with than steel - it's lightweight and you can cut it with a simple reciprocating saw.

      FRP rebar doesn't rust, but its strength does decrease with time. However, most of its strength loss is early on, and the rate of loss slowly declines with time. Among FRP rebar, fibres are generally (from worst to best): GFRP (glass), BFRP (basalt), AFRP (aramid), and CFRP (carbon). CFRP is awesome stuff... suffers almost no degradation in any conditions (even less than its plastic binder)... but it's currently very expensive. IMHO, BFRP is the best balance of price versus mechanical properties. As for binders, epoxy binders are best. Sometimes you see uncoated products (I've even seen a structure entirely reinforced with just bare roving), but that's not ideal for longevity.

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    5. Re:That's a trade I'm willing to make. by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

      wall thickness is not to protect rebar. commercial building codes specify 1.5" from rebar edge to concrete surface for bar size #2-#6 typically (with almost no exceptions) and 3" for earth exposed rebar (up to #6 or 5/8" dia rebar

      You just contradicted yourself there. That minimum 1,5" / 3" is to protect the passivation layer on the steel (whether you realize that or not). The thicker the layer, the longer that carbonation takes. In ideal conditions, carbonation depth (in mm) progresses at a rate roughly: (-3,59 + 9 * W/B) * sqrt(t) where W/B is the water/binder ratio and t is time. However, a number of factors can significantly accelerate carbonation, so large margins need to be allowed for.

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  2. Solved problem by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    Concrete contributing to CO2 has been known for a while - that is why at this point there are a lot of solutions to that problem, including concrete variants that sequester or even absorb CO2.

    Notice how old some of the results in that search are...

    If CO2 is really a problem, local governments will seek to adopt some of those ideas.

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  3. Well known... by apoc.famine · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not sure how this is suddenly news. It's been called out since the very first IPCC report, and known long before that.

    This is part of why nuclear power and hydroelectric power aren't exactly green. Far better than fossil fuels, sure, but much worse than an equivalent solar or wind farms in terms of CO2 release. The amount of concrete used in both nuclear plants and hydroelectric dams is massive. It dwarfs the pads for solar panels and wind turbines.

    But like everything, it's complicated. Turns out that over decades, concrete actually absorbs a large amount of CO2. It seems to be close to half that released when making it. If carbon capture could be used during production, over its lifetime, concrete could become carbon negative. And alkali-activated cements seem to be on the horizon, taking industrial CO2 byproducts and making them into concrete-like structures.

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    1. Re:Well known... by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      The amount of concrete used in both nuclear plants and hydroelectric dams is massive. It dwarfs the pads for solar panels and wind turbines.

      Actually I did the calculations on this a few years back. Per GWh of energy generated, wind turbines use roughly an order of magnitude more concrete (and steel) than nuclear plants. You have to understand that wind turbines very rarely operate at full capacity like a nuclear reactor does. The actual electricity production of nuclear plants averages about 90% of their nameplate capacity. For onshore wind it's about 25%. So to generate the same amount of power over the course of a year as a single 1 GW nuclear reactor requires about 2500 1.5 MW wind turbines (3.6 GW capacity). And the steel and concrete for that many turbines far exceeds the requirements for the single nuclear plant. It also drives up the maintenance cost for wind far above that for nuclear, even with all the regulations covering nuclear. (In fact most of the wind-related deaths are due to maintenance personnel falling from turbines.)

    2. Re:Well known... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 4, Informative

      How exactly does concrete produce CO2? Is it an essential part of production - or merely a result of heating in furnaces traditionally powered with coal?

      It is an essential part of production of Portland cement, the most common cement in use worldwide. The CO2 is cooked out of limestone, resulting in calcium silicate, the constituent molecules of clinker.

      Ancient Roman cement does not seem to be primarily calcium silicate, though studies are ongoing. The manufacturing process has been lost to history, and there was quite a bit of variance in the formula over the centuries it was made.

  4. Remember... by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Informative

    Concrete is made with cement and aggregate. Cement is not the same as concrete. The two are not interchangeable.

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  5. Re:Ferrock: Stronger, More Flexible, Greener than by pgmrdlm · · Score: 2

    Compared to Portland cement (made from chalk and clay and resembling Portland stone in color), which is one of the leading types in use throughout the world today, Ferrock is actually five times stronger. It can withstand more compression before breaking and is far more flexible, meaning it could potentially resist the earth movements caused by seismic activity or industrial processes. One of the unique properties of Ferrock is that it becomes even stronger in salt water environments, making it ideal for marine-based construction projects. And rather than emitting large amounts of C02 as it dries, Ferrock actually absorbs and binds it! This results in a carbon-negative process that actually helps to trap greenhouse gases.
    sorry, missed some things in the previous post

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  6. So what happened to Ferrock? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    If you look at the URL for that story, it's from 2016...

    if you try to follow the link to ironkast.com, you just get a big "SITE UNAVAILABLE PAGE" message.

    So what happened? I remember reading about that before, it seemed like a great idea with a lot of benefits.

    It makes me wonder if there was some downside they didn't report in that article... material science is hard stuff (not even joking there. Well maybe just a little).

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  7. Solution by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously the solution is to tax cement.

  8. Re:carbon capture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's another problem. Global concrete production is around 4 Billion tons per year. Every year, we're adding 4 Billion tons to the weight of the earth.

    Now, the earth is very heavy -- about 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons. But still, adding 4 Billion tons every year will eventually cause problems.

  9. Re:carbon capture by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2
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  10. Re:Ferrock: Stronger, More Flexible, Greener than by technosaurus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Portland cement absorbs CO2 while setting... Just not as much as it takes to make the clinker using fossil fuels. With solar kilns it could be close to neutral

  11. Use Geo-polymer concrete instead by F34nor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    It is what the pyramids were made from, pour-able limestone.

  12. Re:carbon capture by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, there is no end to "cost is no object" solutions to greenhouse gas emissions. The problem is that in the real world, cost *is* an object, and a very important one.

    This is why cap and trade is a viable, market oriented solution to greenhouse gas emissions. Normally the 182 kg of CO2 that's emitted when I produce a ton of concrete to sell to you isn't part of our transaction. Under cap-and-trade, CO2 reduction becomes a profit center, because if I can reduce my emissions below some reasonable target (e.g. down to 150 kg), I can sell the surplus to someone who can't meet the target.

    The problem is that cap-and-trade is not politically viable, because people invested in technology that can't be upgraded are currently dumping their pollution for free.

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  13. They should self-regulate by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    The main problem is that two of those "local governments" are India and China - until we figure out a way to get them in check

    Since you can't control what they do, the only way you can "get them in check" is to use improved concrete alternatives locally and show ways in which it is superior, so it would naturally be adopted over traditional means.

    China and India have also both signed onto global warming accords so it's obvious they are highly motivated to address the issue, otherwise why would they be signatories.

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  14. Re:Leftists by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I assume that they were talking about wood, which isn't mud. But you can most certainly can reduce the carbon footprint of concrete construction itself. My home uses a pozzolanic mix, with about half of the cement replaced by basalt dust, and most of the steel replaced by basalt fibre rebar.

    Pozzolanic concrete is slower to set, but has more long-term durability. Chemically, it harkens partially back to Roman concrete. There are lots of different pozzolans besides basalt dust, including volcanic ash, coal fly ash, activated clays, etc.

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  15. How much of that 8% is from energy production? by jcochran · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because the cement itself is carbon neutral.

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    CaCO3 ==> CaO + CO2
    CaO + H2O ==> Ca(OH)2
    Ca(OH)2 + CO2 ==> CaCO3 + H2O

    So for each molecule of cement you make, you do produce 1 molecule of carbon dioxide. Then to use the cement, you add a molecule of water. And then over time, the result reacts with carbon dioxide (removing the carbon dioxide that was released when the lime was made) and releases a molecule of water.

    The only non-neutral production of CO2 from making cement is that from whatever source of energy you use to heat up the calcium carbonate to produce the lime.

    Doing a bit of research, it looks like 60% of the carbon dioxide released is from the chemical reaction and 40% from the heat used to drive the reaction. Since the 60% from the reaction will be reabsorbed by the cement, we can ignore it. So the actual amount of CO2 due to cement production isn't the 8% the article mentions, but something closer to 3.2%.

  16. Lime mortar takes the CO2 back by aberglas · · Score: 2

    When it sets. Ca(OH)2 + CO2 -> CaCO(OH)2, back to Calcium Carbonate.

  17. We can sequester carbon in biomass, right? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Shouldn't we just have more babies?

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  18. Carbon is reabsorbed by drwho · · Score: 2

    Carbon dioxide is released as lime is burned, to make calcium oxide, the primary component of regular cement. As the cement sets, it reabsorbs a great portion, if not all, of the CO2 originally produced. https://www.cement.org/for-concrete-books-learning/concrete-technology/concrete-design-production/concrete-as-a-carbon-sink

    Because the CO2 is produced as a point-source pollution, and absorbed in a distributed manner, cement could become carbon-negative by doing the easy point of sequestering the carbon at its source. This is best done by use of a microbial reactor, that is, the gas bubbled into water containing algae and exposed to sunlight. The algae, or its oil, can then be used as fuel. See Boyrtrococcus braunii on wikipedia.

  19. Re: carbon capture by hey! · · Score: 2

    We need to reduce carbon emissions from the sources with the highest marginal reduction per cost. If only there were some way resources could be allocated to that by some kind of magical, invisible hand....

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  20. Re:carbon capture by Agripa · · Score: 2

    This is why cap and trade is a viable, market oriented solution to greenhouse gas emissions.

    Cap and trade is only a viable solution to facilitate rent seeking. If you want a solution to greenhouse gas emissions, then assign an objective negative cost and tax it without exceptions.

  21. Re: carbon capture by Agripa · · Score: 2

    We need to reduce carbon emissions from the sources with the highest marginal reduction per cost. If only there were some way resources could be allocated to that by some kind of magical, invisible hand....

    Inconceivable!