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Fortnite Teen Hackers 'Earning Thousands of Dollars a Week' (bbc.com)

Children as young as 14 are making thousands of pounds a week as part of a global hacking network built around the popular video game Fortnite. From a report: About 20 hackers told the BBC they were stealing the private gaming accounts of players and reselling them online. Fortnite is free to play but is estimated to have made more than 1bn pound ($1.25) through the sale of "skins", which change the look of a character, and other add-ons. This fuels a growing black market. Hackers can sell player accounts for as little as 25p or hundreds of pounds, depending on what they contain. The items are collected as in-game purchases but are purely cosmetic and do not give gamers any extra abilities. Fortnite-maker Epic declined to comment on the investigation but said it was working to improve account security. The game has more than 200 million players.

42 comments

  1. Devaluation of the British pound by stevenvi · · Score: 5, Funny

    is estimated to have made more than 1bn pound ($1.25)

    Yikes! I didn't realize that Brexit had such an impact on the British economy. Or that Fortnight had only turned a buck twenty-five in profit. Must be Hollywood accounting.

    1. Re:Devaluation of the British pound by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Still $1.25 US = 1 British Pound is not great, back pre-prexit it was $1.70 US for Pound. Then it dropped right after the Brexit vote.

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    2. Re:Devaluation of the British pound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the summary clearly states that 1,000,000,000 British Pounds = $1.25 US.

    3. Re:Devaluation of the British pound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woosh!

    4. Re:Devaluation of the British pound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. What this really means is that America is great again..

  2. Wow .. Brexit really has hurt the UK economy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > more than 1bn pound ($1.25)

    1bn pounds is only $1.25? Yay Brexit.

    1. Re:Wow .. Brexit really has hurt the UK economy! by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      that's some Zimbabwe level inflation there.

    2. Re: Wow .. Brexit really has hurt the UK economy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zimbabwe has a socialist government. Like Venezuela. Coincidence?

    3. Re: Wow .. Brexit really has hurt the UK economy! by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      do the russians pay in US Dollars, Rubles, or bitcoin?

  3. penis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    penis

  4. Easy Marks by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm guessing that there's almost no hacking going on. The easiest way accounts get stolen for a game like this is for some unscrupulous individuals to create a fan site (or even something more shady like a cheat site) that requires an account to access the site. Since most people have abysmal security practices, they reuse the same password.

    You'd have to be pretty stupid to buy an account as well, especially if everyone in the game knows that there are loads of people getting their accounts stolen. Digital goods are trivial to repossess and restore to the original owner.

    1. Re:Easy Marks by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      I guess if they were unscrupulous enough to go to a Fortnite cheating page, they probably deserve to get ripped off.
      Online game cheating, really is just scum of the earth type of stuff. If I wanted to play a game, and I get bested because someone was better then me or just lucky, then I take it as is. I just need to practice more, if I want to get better. However if someone is cheating then that just runes the fun for everyone. Because we are not getting bested due to things we can improve, we are bested because someone cheated.
      I am not going to be crying over people trying to find a cheat to a game who got scammed.

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    2. Re:Easy Marks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Online cheating page scams have been around UO and Everquest. The fact that people on FN are getting hit by this isn't surprising. Most likely the accounts will get banned, which gets Epic Games more cash, as people have to get new accounts and re-buy their new Tomato-head skin.

      Valve likely makes money hand over fist with VAC bans, as people will happily re-buy all their games on the account.

    3. Re:Easy Marks by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      you are pretty right... youtube has been flooded with videos of "Get free vbux, just go to this site, put in your account information, and you'll have millions of in game cash".

    4. Re:Easy Marks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It probably asks them for their Fortnite username and password explicitly, then confirms any entry with a success. If 10% of the passwords work, then they still make money. And the users are probably kids, so more than 50% probably give their real password.

    5. Re:Easy Marks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quoting the article...

      "He said they showed him where to find the vast lists of usernames and passwords published online from other data breaches over the years.

      They showed him where to buy "off-the-shelf" hacker tools needed to input those credentials into the login page of Fortnite. Once inside an account, they showed him how to take it over and then sell it to the hungry online community."

    6. Re:Easy Marks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't play Fortnite, but I have an account with Epic (probably from when they were giving away Shadow Complex), and I get 1-2 emails a day from them about unsuccessful login attempts. I changed the password to a 40 or so character string even though I don't really care about it.

      So anyway, that's my 2 cents - this is being done by brute forcing Epic's login system.

    7. Re:Easy Marks by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Per the article summary the changes are purely cosmetic, so they're not going to be better than you because they bought a premade character... they're just going to have less common clothing on.

      Not defending hacking, stealing, or online cheating... but in this case their account theft is merely for cosmetics.

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  5. Christmas Time :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Merry Christmas, dear fortnite hackers! Buy something nice for your loved ones from the $$$ :)

    1. Re:Christmas Time :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And please report to your friendly law enforcement officer for that sweet 20-30 year pris..anti social behaviour adjustment term. He or she might be wearing a red Santa or Mother Christmas costume to make it all extra friendly and fuzzy and Christmassy.

  6. Haha the videogame industry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... are a bunch of theives. In the old days in the 90's kids could cheat on dedicated servers because they owned and controlled the game. The game industry takes these kids money and doesn't give them a copy of the game which is drm'd to hell and back. The biggest scam going are these f2p games that prey on stupid kids and people who have no idea how technology works.

    1. Re:Haha the videogame industry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The video game industry desperately needs another 1983.

    2. Re: Haha the videogame industry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you rattling on about? Consumers do not one care how technology works. They care if itâ(TM)s fun. It does not matter how the game is deployed - because they will stop playing when something better comes along, when their friends change, or when wait times for a match are excessive.

  7. No need to guess. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hacking" is just there to make you click. It hasn't ment diddly squat for at least a decade now.

    Except that it gets msmash all hot and bothered, of course.

  8. Why do we call them hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rather than, people who take advantage of morons?

    That would allow both of those parties to step back and take a look at themselves.

  9. No actual hacking was involved. by TomBauserman · · Score: 2

    My kid got his roblox account stolen. He wanted unlimited roblox so he found a website that promised him unlimited roblox. When he signed up he used the same user name and password he used for everything else he was 8 he didn't know any better. The people that stole it used to sell in game t-shirts or something like that. All I know is that after jumping through a ton of hoops he was in game rich when he got his account back.

    1. Re:No actual hacking was involved. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I know is that after jumping through a ton of hoops he was in game rich when he got his account back.

      So what you're saying is, the site performed as advertised? ;)

  10. Earning? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    Fortnite Teen Hackers 'Earning Thousands of Dollars a Week'

    ... hackers told the BBC they were stealing the private gaming accounts of players and reselling them online.

    Earning? No. Reaping? Yes.

    Come on Editors, let's see some understanding and nuance.

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  11. Progressive liar Jellomizer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    June 23, 2016 the date of the vote for Brexit. 1 Pound = $1.37.

    Of course what would you expect from the idiot that told me running unedited video of your election opponent giving a political speech is voter suppression and should end you up in jail.

    Fact check every thing a liberal/progressive tells you. If it can be objectively checked, it will be a lie.

  12. Clinton paid Russians to meddle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Story proving Clinton paid the Russians to challenge the election in case she lost. Perhaps you should ask her or her supporters instead of Trump supporters.

    1. Re:Clinton paid Russians to meddle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with your narrative is not only THEY DID FIND AND PROVE RUSSIAN INVOLVEMENT IN TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN, but that HRC did not actually "pay Russians" like your faggot ass just lied directly about.

      When Trump faces Mueller, all these questions will be answered in full, then off to prison with the traitor.

  13. sale of "skins", by zlives · · Score: 1

    I guess a sucker is born every fortnight

  14. In other teen news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the teen hackers bragged about how much ass they tapped last weekend (15), how many beers they drank this morning (54), and just how high they were right now (like, dude)

  15. Stealing, not earning by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Earning" implies a proper economic transaction. When both sides agree to an economic exchange, it's because it benefits both parties. If you're a dairy cow farmer and your refrigerator is full of bottles of milk, so you crave eggs. Meanwhile your neighbor the chicken farmer has a refrigerator full of eggs he craves milk. So the two of you agree to exchange some milk for eggs. The value (to you) of items you possess (milk + eggs) has increased because you gave away some "worthless" milk to receive "valuable" eggs. The value (to him) of items your neighbor possesses (eggs + milk) has increased because he gave away some "worthless" eggs to receive "valuable" milk. So the net value of both your possessions has increased even though the total amount of eggs + milk in the system remains exactly the same.

    That is what they mean when they say economics is not a zero-sum game. The value of the possessions of both sides in a valid economic transaction (a trade) increases, even if no new stuff is created. Both of you have "earned" something valuable from the trade. (This is also why capitalism beats out communism. In capitalism, each individual determines what things they value, and they make trades according to what they value. In communism, someone else determines the value of things for everyone, and distributes the things to the individuals. Communism works to a point, but beyond that point capitalism is better able to fine-tune trades to better match each individual's peculiar wants and needs.)

    Stealing is nearly always zero or negative sum. One side loses exactly what the other side gains. Or one side loses more than the other side gains (usually if there was some property destruction in the process). What the people in TFA are doing is stealing, not earning. They're not creating anything of value, and in fact are destroying net value by forcing the victims to waste time going through an account retrieval process, and forcing Epic to expend additional resources to help with account retrieval.

    (Why "nearly always"? You'll also notice that in cases like a spiteful rich guy purposefully refusing to sell life-saving medication, stealing the medicine actually becomes positive sum. The rich guy loses medicine which doesn't benefit him so its value is only what it cost him to acquire or create. But the medicine's value is a life to you, so is considerably more than what it cost the rich guy to acquire or create. So stealing the medicine actually results in a net positive economic transaction even though one side loses in the transaction. This sort of situation usually crops up when a person or company has a monopoly, and is the reason anti-trust regulation exists. It actually benefits society more to force the monopoly holder to sell at a price lower than they would like, or break up their monopoly so competition forces them to sell at a lower price. Government-created monopolies like copyright holders, Epi-pen manufacturers, and cable companies should take note here - the fact that their monopoly was granted by the government does not imply permission to abuse their monopoly in any manner their wish. The moment their antics cost society more than the value of what they're selling, the rationale for granting them a monopoly vanishes.)

  16. Liberalism is mental disorder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why you lie? Clinton paid Christopher Steel to write the dossier, he said he used the money to pay Russians to give him info. The guy paid by Clinton said she paid him to pay for Russian information.

    I've heard liberalism is a mental disorder, but didn't agree with that statement. This last few weeks I can't argue against it. We literally have the guy who paid the Russians with Clinton's money saying he did, and you are saying it didn't happen. Were you the Russian being paid and lied to Steele?

  17. The more things change... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    We'll know security has crossed the Rubicon when a popular online game implements support for a hardware token for login at launch, instead of waiting years to do it like Blizzard did for World of Warcraft.

    Producing a sufficiently ubiquitous hardware token is the hard part. Smartphones seem the obvious candidate, but so far only Samsung and Apple seem very serious about integrating secure enclave chips, and precious little uses them outside of the OS itself.

    1. Re:The more things change... by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      Fortnite has had 2 factor authentication for a long time now. They encourage you to use it all over the place (loading screens, menus, their website, etc.) and give you a cosmetic item if you do.

  18. Free to play... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Who the HELL pays money for skins? My daughter got her Microsoft Live account cancelled for buying loot boxes without permission...

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    1. Re: Free to play... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I would guess people who like having their characters with a different look. As I understand it your character is pretty bland without skins. Also the game is free to play and selling skins is one of the few ways that the players can financially support the game developer. Since the skins don't give any advantage and are completely optional some players don't mind buying some items from the developer.

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  19. Ills of society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People. And video games. Everything that's wrong with your civilization. But no worries, we're on our way to rid your planet of the human virus.

  20. Short lifespan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Life's too short to be wasting time playing video gaymez. FAGS.