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YouTuber Admits Aspects of Viral HomePod Glitter Bomb Video Were Faked (appleinsider.com)

New submitter ArchieBunker writes: A viral video featuring a booby-trapped HomePod box that pranked package thieves with a glitter bomb has been criticized for faking some of the reactions of the would-be "thieves," who were in fact acquaintances of friends of the video's creator. The video, "Package Thief vs. Glitter Bomb Trap" by former NASA engineer Mark Rober, featured the creation of a device constructed inside a HomePod box that spread out glitter once the HomePod box was opened, with four smartphones used to film the event and subsequent reactions from all angles. Clips were shown of people claimed to be package thieves, opening the box and being covered with glitter, before throwing the contraption away.

One thief's vehicle was found to have a number of similar features to one parked near to the house of a friend of Rober, used to film some of the illicit acquisitions, suggesting it was acquired by someone who lived nearby. Another person used Google Street View and Zillow to analyze the third thief's video from inside her home, and determined the side yard and outdoor area bore a striking resemblance to the home next door to the friend's house. Posted to Imgur, the thread of evidence led to others questioning Rober on some of his later edits to the published video, including deletion of small sections and blurring out details. According to Rober, he offered to provide the box to people who were willing to place it on their doorstep, with the offer of financial compensation for successful recoveries of the package, and one "friend of a friend" volunteered to help. Rober has since confirmed that two of the five reactions used in the video were suspicious, and were subsequently removed, but insists the reactions for times when the box was stolen from his doorstep were genuine.
"I'm especially gutted because so much thought, time, money, and effort went into building the device and I hope this doesn't just taint the entire effort as 'fake,'" writes Rober in text placed underneath the video. "It genuinely works (like all the other things I've built on my channel) and we've made all the code and build info public."

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  1. Its about the tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    not about the 'reality TV' aspect of it.

    Don't really care if the reactions were fake or real.

    1. Re:Its about the tech by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In this era of sensationalist news and politicians being pilloried for stuff that was actually said on SNL...I can't agree. And this WAS in the 'real' news. It's unacceptable. I mean, the video is kind of irresponsible to begin with. What if people copy the idea, and an actual thief who knows where their victim lives realizes they're holding something that can land them in jail? Package thieves aren't exactly career astronaut types.

      And it turns out it fabricated people and reactions. What if people look at the ethnicity of most of the "thieves" and they have some very unfortunate beliefs reinforced? I know that might sound like a hysterical example, but it's not particularly my point. This video was thoughtless AND a lie. What respect do his ideas deserve? I wish the guy absolutely no harm, but he deserves to be a pariah and ignored from now on.

    2. Re:Its about the tech by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      He deserves some kind of prize for the fart gas dispenser.

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  2. Well, maybe you shouldn't have faked some of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once a cheater, always a cheater. Sure, you feel gutted. You got caught.

    1. Re:Well, maybe you shouldn't have faked some of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't need to watch any videos to see if he cheated, because he already admitted that he cheated. The case is closed. He's a cheater.

    2. Re:Well, maybe you shouldn't have faked some of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is not a trivial thing. Supposedly it was a multi-month build. He had enough time to think this over. His videos regularly have millions of views. Power comes with responsibility. Cheaters like him create unrealistic expectations and prevent the success of some honest people, whose real achievements seem bland in comparison to the embellished exploits of cheaters. There's currently a scandal about a German reporter who admitted that he had faked some aspects of his stories that were published in the "Spiegel" magazine. He is a celebrated journalist who won several prizes for his stories. Some honest journalists did not get recognized for their actual journalism because that twat felt he could cheat "to live up the pressure". Fuck cheaters.

    3. Re:Well, maybe you shouldn't have faked some of it by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Once a cheater, always a cheater. Sure, you feel gutted. You got caught.

      Except he didn't cheat.

      He was cheated. Or scammed.

      Basically he lent the unit to a friend of a friend. And being someone who would be compensated for the video, he offered that person some of the compensation because it's the fair thing to do.

      Turned out that person was greedy and had their neighbour "steal" it, and probably didn't offer them compensation. Just to get that money.

      And to his credit, he edited out the part that was faked once he found out and re-posted it. Anyone who knows YouTube means when you do this, you LOSE all those views - you cannot edit a video and retain the comments/likes/views. You delete that video and re-post it, which means the comments/likes/views starts from scratch. It's one of the most requested features especially now you can't add annotations afterwards so if you make an error, it's there forever unless you want to scrap it all.

      Of course, there are reasons for and against YouTube allowing re-posting of videos and retaining the comments/likes/views.

  3. Say it ain't so! by rednip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing that struck me the most was the number of 'thieves'. While 'porch pirates' are a real thing, they aren't so common that one guy or even a couple of them could in short order have so many packages lost to them.

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    1. Re:Say it ain't so! by ngc5194 · · Score: 2

      True, but we don't know over what time interval the "stolen package" videos were made. After all, Rober stated that the build occurred over six months or so. Given that, leaving the package out for a month or two in some neighborhoods resulting in a handful of thefts seems plausible to me.

    2. Re:Say it ain't so! by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What struck me was the fact that he used about $2000 worth of phones to do each package. Ridiculous. No one one do that because you probably wouldn't get them back.

    3. Re:Say it ain't so! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What struck me is that someone basically doxed the guy, posting details of his home from Google Maps and some house data site on Imgur, and then lots of other sites amplified the doxing and no-one seems to have stopped to think about it.

      Also kinda sad that people even thought this was real in the first place. Does it not look like something professionally shot and edited on commercial grade equipment by professionals? Did the fact that his channel has 5.6 million subscribers and revenue to match not tip people off that he might be more than just an amateur at this point?

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    4. Re: Say it ain't so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Get Famous, people will track you down. What you called doxxing is just a Millennial buzzword for what paparazzi have done forever. The internet gives anyone a chance to be Famous, and also gives anyone a chance to be paparazzi.

      Status Quo, nothing to see here.

    5. Re:Say it ain't so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Those were LG G5 models, they are available very cheap, because they were built very cheaply. They are renown for being universally of poor build quality and unreliable. Used copies generally go for less than $100, and are easy to find for less than $50 even, depending on what level of wear you're okay with. Since they were only desired for their cameras, it would probably be okay if they had shattered displays, so they could have been very cheap indeed.

      Regardless, that was not a big investment. Unlikely to top $300 at most.

    6. Re:Say it ain't so! by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      You know what they say in the real estate business, location, location, location. In some locations yep, stuff will be stolen real fast and in other locations, it can stand out there for years and of course in 'Gated Communities' you get fined if it is out there too long.

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    7. Re:Say it ain't so! by dcw3 · · Score: 3

      If you had watched the video you'd know that the thief was sprayed with glitter and repeated squirts of fart gas, causing them to ditch the package. They had no idea there were any phones inside because they never kept the box long enough to open it. Why do people find this crap insightful?

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  4. Future in Politics? by hduff · · Score: 3, Funny

    Someone has a future in politics . . .

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  5. Dead giveaway by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I suspected as much when the thief stopped, swept back his cape with one arm, stuffed the package into his top hat, and looked straight into the camera with an evil smile while twirling the end of his mustache between his fingers.

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  6. He should have used only genuine un-staged video by ITRambo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a stupid thing to do. Pad a reaction video with some fake reactions. Damn, that cost him all his credibility. In today's fake news world there is no room for phonying up any video, news item, or posts. Stay pure and stay believed. Cheaters are losers.

  7. Of course it was fake by theCat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You knew it was fake when the first "thief" didn't stomp the glitter-bot into the ground in frustration and anger.

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  8. Faked data by Scutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I'm especially gutted because so much thought, time, money, and effort went into building the device and I hope this doesn't just taint the entire effort as 'fake,'"

    But...it was fake. You faked all of your test data and presented it as real results, therefore your entire research project is, at best, suspect. You deliberately mislead your viewers and now you're shocked at the result.

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  9. Re: Well, maybe you shouldn't have faked some of i by JediJorgie · · Score: 3

    No, he admitted **he** was duped. Not at all the same thing.

  10. Re:Thought this was more than a little 'off'.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He's the real deal. Real qualifications, his channel has a fair bit of science on it (and 5.4 million subscribers) and he does appear to be engineering quite a bit of stuff.

    And like most big YouTube channels he has set up a production company to do professional editing and scripting and yes like everything on TV some of it is faked. Hopefully you didn't think everything you saw on TV/YouTube was real...

    So basically people are upset that big YouTube channels are exactly like TV shows.

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  11. That aspect was thought out by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Ridiculous. No one one do that because you probably wouldn't get them back.

    A) They were GPS tracked the whole time.

    B) That was the point of the incredibly stinky "Fart Spray", to ensure once the glitter had dispersed the thief would want to toss the package super quickly. If you didn't have that, yeah you were out $1k in phones or so (I don't think they were very high end phones).

    It was probably enough value in phones to raise the theft to felony level...

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    1. Re:That aspect was thought out by Cito · · Score: 2

      A real criminal would not toss it, they'd destroy it out of spite.

      If thst was a package I had nabbed when it wasn't what I wanted I'd destroy it.

      Most thieves would do so, if it's not valuable to the thief you destroy that thing. Stomp, crush, burn, etc

      Noone tosses it out the window with fingerprints on it

    2. Re:That aspect was thought out by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

      A real criminal would not toss it, they'd destroy it out of spite.

      A package is stinking up your car or home. Why on earth would you spend a second long than you had to with it? Remember this is a REALLY powerful smell. You say "real criminal" as if it was some determined noble warrior, not some lazy looser who does the easiest possible thing - which includes tossing a stinky package instead of actively seeking to destroy it.

      Stomp, crush, burn, etc

      Yeah that's a genius move for sure, to stomp on something you already know smells horrific, and was trapped enough to spread glitter all over you...

      Noone tosses it out the window with fingerprints on it

      You have watched WAY TOO MUCH CSI Mr McGruff. What "no-one" does is care at all about package thieves or fingerprints unless some truly serious crime is in play. Have you ever TRIED reporting package theft? Even with video the police just laugh. A package by the side of the road will mix with all the other trash and just be ignored.

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    3. Re: That aspect was thought out by brunes69 · · Score: 2

      The fart sprayis what makes you want to chuck it. That stuff is strong. It's like a skunk. You'd just want it out of there and there's no way you'd try to inflict more damage and make it smell worse.

  12. Re:He should have used only genuine un-staged vide by sysrammer · · Score: 3, Informative

    fwiw, he posted yesterday that he found out a couple of examples were faked by collusion between some neighbors. He apologized profusely, and he realizes what kind of hit he has taken. I didn't bother with the vid once I saw there were some fakes.

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  13. Also if you have 2 or 3 packages go missing by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    UPS and FedEx will stop leaving them. I've had this happen to buddies in bad neighborhoods and it sucks. Everytime you get a packge you've got to drive on down to the main depot to pick it up, and that's usually out in the middle of nowhere.

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  14. Re:He should have used only genuine un-staged vide by Shikaku · · Score: 5, Informative

    The device wasn't faked because he posted blueprints and code for the whole setup. Unless he just didn't build the device, that would be quite of lot of work wasted to make those blueprints and code. All of it right here: https://github.com/IdleHandsPr...

  15. Go READ His Comment People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I love all the condemnation by people who apparently didn't bother to actually READ what he added to the video. He solicited 3rd parties who would be willing to place the package on their porch. He offered to compensate them for it. It was those third parties who had friends fake stealing the package. When he found out that these alleged thieves were fake, he edited them out of the video and disclosed the issue.

  16. He did put a full response by shellster_dude · · Score: 5, Informative

    He posted this under the video. I believe him, as I've been watching his channel for years and he produces a lot of great content.
    Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Note about 2 missing the reactions in the video- I was presented with information that caused me to doubt the veracity of 2 of the 5 reactions in the video. These were reactions that were captured during a two week period while the device was at house 2 hours away from where I live. I put a feeler out for people willing to put a package on their porch and this person (who is a friend of a friend) volunteered to help. To compensate them for their time and willingness to risk putting a package on their porch I offered financial compensation for any successful recoveries of the package. It appears (and I've since confirmed) in these two cases, the “thieves" were actually acquaintances of the person helping me. From the footage I received from the phones which intentionally only record at specific times, this wasn’t clear to me. I have since removed those reactions from the original video (originally 6:26-7:59). I’m really sorry about this. Ultimately, I am responsible for the content that goes on my channel and I should have done more here. I can vouch for that the reactions were genuine when the package was taken from my house. Having said that, I know my credibly is sort of shot but I encourage you to look at the types of videos I’ve been making for the past 7 years. This is my first ever video with some kind of “prank" and like I mentioned in the video it’s pretty removed from my comfort zone and I should have done more. I’m especially gutted because so much thought, time, money and effort went into building the device and I hope this doesn’t just taint the entire effort as “fake". It genuinely works (like all the other things I’ve built on my channel) and we’ve made all the code and build info public. Again, I’m sorry for putting something up on my channel that was misleading. That is totally on me and I will take all necessary steps to make sure it won’t happen again.

    1. Re:He did put a full response by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't have mod points today, but mod parent up.

      What we seem to have lost in this age is the ability of differentiated, graded responses. Everyone is either "omg, my hero!" or "that fraud, he's so evil!". There is no inbetween. Not in politics, not in economics and not in YouTubers.

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    2. Re:He did put a full response by Usefull+Idiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Outrage is all the rage right now. If it wasn't clear in this video, this is just a guy doing some youtube videos on the side, trying to coordinate things with friends and volunteers. If you watched several of his videos, this is entirely obvious, and he does not try to hide it. He is not an investigative journalist or detective, so you have to take that into account, as he may not be as rigorous in some of his methods. I was obviously skeptical when he lent the device to other people, as anyone should be. Based on the evidence, you could possibly blame him for being naive or gullible, but that is about it. If you have a problem with it going forward, just don't watch his videos, and simply question the credibility of any information where he is the source. Although, I suspect people will take it further though (harassment, etc), and I hope he doesn't suffer undue consequences.

  17. Re:News reported on the viral video, not its verit by Immerman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except professional journalism is supposed to involve research and verification. Without investigation and verification it's not news, it's just broadcast entertainment repeating social-media content. Any "news" outlet that does that kind of "reporting" deserves to be called out for their professional malfeasance.

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  18. No difference in lying vs being lied to? by argStyopa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are a lot of rage filled comments here about him being a liar, when it seems to me his main crime was gullibility?

    I've occasionally watched his videos for years, and he seems to be a fairly decent, very smart guy. He did formerly work for NASA as an actual engineer - his interactions with current NASA personnel are proof of that.

    His story is that obviously he couldn't get that many thief interactions on his own doorstep, so he loaned the build out to friends, and friends of friends with a cash reward for interactions with recoveries...I think that was his mistake. Once you bring money or fame into it, people are assholes; with both involved it's almost guaranteed. So some of them staged the reactions, ostensibly for the cash, but imo more for the internet fame...and now that's screwed him over.

    His "crime" if anything isn't lying, it's being gullible and trusting.

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