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HMV, One of UK's Largest Retailers of CDs, DVDs and Blu-rays, Calls in Administrators For Second Time in Six Years (bbc.com)

Retron shares a report: Music retailer HMV has confirmed it is calling in KPMG as administrators. The move, the second in six years, involves 2,200 staff at 125 stores. Owners Hilco, which took the company out of its first administration in 2013, blamed a "tsunami" of retail challenges, including business rate levels and the move to digital. It said the stores would continue to trade while negotiations were held with major suppliers and it looked for buyers. Paul McGowan, executive chairman of HMV and its owner Hilco Capital, said: "Even an exceptionally well-run and much-loved business such as HMV cannot withstand the tsunami of challenges facing UK retailers over the last 12 months on top of such a dramatic change in consumer behaviour in the entertainment market."

He pointed out HMV sold 31% of all physical music in the UK in 2018 and 23% of all DVDs and Blu-rays, with its market share growing month by month throughout the year. But he added that the industry consensus was that the market would fall by another 17% during 2019 and therefore it would not be possible to continue to trade the business. Holders of gift vouchers are being advised to consider spending them sooner rather than later.

76 comments

  1. Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a gift card that says blah blah blah. Is it for this retailer?

    1. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's a giftcard for a free cocksucking.

      i'll gargle your man-mustard.

    2. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much does one of those cost, creimer?

    3. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's a penis, in my anus..and it smells like your grandma's big flappy loose hairy cunt..!!

  2. Ironic... by Retron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The ironic thing with this story is that 13 years ago, before Spotify and the like, HMV offered digital downloads (as did many other shops, like Tesco and Virgin Records). The downloads were clunky, required Windows Media Player and if you stopped paying the monthly subscription you lost access to the downloads entirely - they'd just redirect you to a login screen if you tried playing them. I only lasted two months as a subscriber back in the day as I realised I'd be stuck paying £10/month forever just to keep access to the tracks I'd downloaded. I still have the (now useless) WMA files as a souvenir!

    The modern way of downloading music to keep (MP3s via Amazon, for example), is much better, as the music doesn't expire.

    1. Re: Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is ironic. The interface was very kloogy. It would list multiple copies of the same track even though I knew I only downloaded it once. It also wanted access to my file system so it could transfer music into their system. I knew that wasnâ(TM)t right. Sometimes it even spawned multiple instances of the software which made no sense at all.

    2. Re:Ironic... by Duds · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's so many of these retailers who could have owned the future if they got it right. Like you say, HMV was there first and just screwed up the mechanism and didn't support it fully.

      Same with Blockbuster, they had a DVD rental by post service in the UK when "LoveFilm" (now Amazon) and Netflix were just a fever dream, but they only did individual rentals and never promoted it for fear of cannibalising the stores (lol). They even made their own films, most notably the Charlize Theron/Christina Rici film "Monster". They had everything they needed to be 2018 netflix and they buggered it up horribly.

    3. Re:Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The modern way? That is the old school way passed on from times when aphysical!

    4. Re: Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really have no idea why they did not buy Netflix when they had the chance. The papers were ready for signature the money was in the bank. There must have been something going on that was never made public.

    5. Re:Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There was no way a smaller player like HMV was ever going to "get it right". People didn't want DRM files that were hard to play. The music industry wouldn't allow files without DRM. None of these small fry had a chance in hell of changing that. It took big players like Apple and the like to finally kick DRM out of the music market. These folks may have had part of the vision; they just had no chance at all of success due to scale and legal challenges.

    6. Re:Ironic... by Desler · · Score: 1

      There's nothing ironic about it. HMV simply didn't have any choice since DRM-free music was never gonna be accepted at that time by record labels. That was during the height of their foaming at the mouth over Napster.

      And the only reason the "modern way" is better is because Amazon Music opened after the record labels had acquiesced on the DRM issue. Had they tried to open it in the early 2000s they would have had all the same DRM demands that iTunes and HMV had to accept.

    7. Re: Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they literally did not have to do anything except sign the check. Insane and baffling. I heard the guy who did all the leg work on that never got paid and said he could not understand blockbusters stubborn execs.

    8. Re:Ironic... by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      The ironic thing with this story is that 13 years ago, before Spotify and the like, HMV offered digital downloads...The downloads were clunky, required Windows Media Player and if you stopped paying the monthly subscription you lost access to the downloads entirely...The modern way of downloading music to keep (MP3s via Amazon, for example), is much better, as the music doesn't expire.

      You're comparing apples to oranges here.

      First off, let's set the stage here: We're dealing with a pre-smartphone, pre-streaming internet and device landscape. Spotify doesn't allow you to download songs and play them if you don't pay your Spotify bill, because it's a subscription*. So, how do you enforce a subscription on portable music players that were loaded via a USB cable? *That* is where the DRM comes into play.

      Now, the reason this sort of subscription didn't take off is because, in that pre-smartphone, pre-LTE mobile internet, everyone had an iPod. iPods were not compatible with WMA files, DRM-laden or not. The players also needed to support the 'Janus' DRM that allowed subscription services like this one to exist at all, so even players that supported regular WMA didn't necessarily support *these* WMA files. Now, Creative and a few other companies made direct iPod competitors (look up the Zen Vision:M; it was one of my favorites) that would allow users to use this sort of a subscription, but now they need a brand new $200+ device to replace their perfectly-working iPod, and this new player wouldn't be compatible with their iTunes-purchased libraries - and even if it was all CD ripped / Limewire MP3s, playlists and ratings wouldn't transfer over, either.

      Moreover, while Apple's vertical market meant that any issue would be handled by the same 800-number, getting your player from Creative, your subscription from HMV, your management software from MusicMatch, and your DRM system from Microsoft was a guaranteed way to land yourself in a Mexican Standoff trying to get someone to help.

      To your point about the MP3 downloads, remember, the music industry was vehemently opposed to DRM-free downloads for the longest time; if it wasn't a DRM-laden m4p file or a DRM-laden WMA file, it was either ripped from one's own CDs or came from a P2P application. Amazon was an upstart who came late enough that the "DRM doesn't help" mantra was starting to sink in for the execs, but them saying 'f it' seemed to come when Apple made a deal where they would abandon DRM in exchange for being able to charge $1.29 for more popular tracks.

      So, the reason you have WMA files that time bombed is the result of a number of people getting together to try and deliver a Spotify experience prior to the underlying technologies that make Spotify possible. Its klunkiness is a direct result of it being ahead of its time.

      *yes, I know Spotify can be used exclusively in ad supported mode, but that would have been even more difficult to pull off in a pre-LTE world.

    9. Re:Ironic... by Solandri · · Score: 2

      The modern way of downloading music to keep (MP3s via Amazon, for example), is much better, as the music doesn't expire.

      Kindle Music uses the download-but-need-to-verify-subscription-to-play model. I played around with it (a big chunk of its library is included with Amazon Prime). Downloaded a few hundred songs to my Kindle to play offline while fishing on my boat. Supposedly it only needs to phone home once a month to keep the downloads playable. It worked when I tested it at home (turned off WiFi and the songs still played).

      But when I got out on the ocean and tried it, every song I'd downloaded via Prime was greyed out. Only the few albums I'd purchased and downloaded were playable. I think it mistakenly thought I had Internet access since I had the Kindle connected to my chartplotter's WiFi to give me a second plotter screen. And when it was unable to contact Amazon over that "Internet connection" to confirm my Prime subscription, it disabled everything I'd downloaded as part of that subscription.

      That sort of app behavior tells me they're using a "fail unless everything works perfectly" coding paradigm. Screw that. I'm not gonna waste my time helping them debug it, when the next tiny problem will just cause the same failure. They wanted to use that model for downloaded songs, so it's their problem to figure it out and fix it. I dealt with the problem from my perspective by building up an MP3 collection from old CDs and purchased online music. Those will always play as long as my phone has juice.

    10. Re:Ironic... by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      The music executives needed to ditch DRM (and did so with Amazon) because to their dismay, Apple had become pretty much the only supplier of digital music (there were others, but Apple had some ridiculous amount of the overall share) that it was Apple that started dictating terms to the labels. Amazon using yet another DRM scheme would've been a non-starter since the iPod wouldn't support Amazon's DRM and Apple wouldn't license their DRM scheme.

      If Apple hadn't gained such a dominant market position, we'd still have all kinds of small petty DRM kingdoms in music. Maybe that would have hastened the move to streaming since those aren't tied to any particular device or manufacturer unless they want to be.

    11. Re:Ironic... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Argos and Littlewoods too. They could have been Amazon if only their websites were not total crap. They had a chain of stores that people could have collected from, solving the delivery problem and reducing postage costs to near zero.

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    12. Re:Ironic... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      HMV could have killed DRM in the crib. All they had to do was start a massive advertising campaign about how CDs were DRM free and let you rip/mix/burn as much as you like, and how all the download sites were crap low quality overpriced rubbish in comparison.

      Once the idea that DRM was shit was in people's heads it could have been dead forever, at least for music and video.

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    13. Re:Ironic... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's surprising how much stuff decides it can't work any more when you move to another region too. Anyone who takes regular international trips will be familiar with random media, apps and services deciding that it can't be played in your current locale.

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    14. Re: Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrrr. Mateys, ye feckin know better.

    15. Re:Ironic... by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      The music executives needed to ditch DRM...If Apple hadn't gained such a dominant market position, we'd still have all kinds of small petty DRM kingdoms in music.

      Look, as much as I agree that DRM needed to die (and still does), two points to bring up here:

      1.) This was a subscription service. How does one enforce a subscription service without either internet connectivity or DRM? I agree that its demise for permanent downloads was long overdue, but in the context of a subscription service, what alternative is being suggested here?

      2.) How is Spotify not DRM? You pay a set fee to access all their music, when you don't pay you lose access. If you use their offline mode, that lives as a blob of DRM'd data somewhere in a system(ish) folder; they're not dumping a bunch of MP3s on your drive and asking you nicely to delete them if you cancel your service.

      So, as best as I can tell, the only way to rationalize the lack of software enforcing a time limit on audio playback in the context of a subscription service, is to principally disagree with the existence of subscription services for music at all.

    16. Re:Ironic... by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree with most of what you posted, just the bit that "Amazon was an upstart who came late enough that the "DRM doesn't help" mantra was starting to sink in for the execs" since I don't think the execs ever really understood that. They were faced with a single company that supplied almost the entirety of their digital product and could therefor dictate terms. The only thing they could do to try to break the hold that Apple had was to let Amazon sell DRM-free MP3s.

      If they hadn't have done that, maybe it would have hastened streaming services, but who knows for sure. I don't use streaming services for exactly the reason you point out. I'd rather own something outright than jump through the hoops that other accommodations might entail.

    17. Re:Ironic... by Desler · · Score: 1

      HMV could have killed DRM in the crib.

      Oh really? What special power did they have over any other music seller?

    18. Re: Ironic... by Duds · · Score: 1

      I'd forgotten that little detail too.

      Of course given the management, if they'd bought Netflix then Netflix wouldn't be Netflix.

    19. Re:Ironic... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      They couldn't do that because format shifting was illegal under UK copyright law until 1st October 2014.

      So any advertising campaign encouraging people to rip, mix and burn CDs would have been unlawful and instantly banned by the Advertising Standards Agency.

    20. Re:Ironic... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In theory yes, but in practice Apple was running the "Rip. Mix. Burn." ads in the early 2000s when the iPod was popular.

      Same with VCRs and especially tapes. They used to advertise how many times you could re-record on video tapes using footage of football matches.

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    21. Re: Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AHSHSHSHAHAHA APL doesn't give a rats ass about drm. They still have it on most of their media.

      Amazon started the drmfree mp3 trend, and they followed suit

    22. Re:Ironic... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Time shifting is something that has been allowed in UK copyright law since the 1980s, so advertising a VCR that included time shifting wasn't illegal.

      Apple didn't really start advertising the iPod in the UK until the iTunes Music Store took off. It was available, but they didn't tell you what you could do with it - it was "hip" silhouette dancing people listening to music, with white earphones and an iPod. Very abstract.

  3. Hilco by Going_Digital · · Score: 2

    They describe Hilco as a restructuring company, this is how that "restructuring" works...

    • 1. Buy the company for a knock down price
    • 2. Identify any saleable assets, sell them or mortgage them and pocket the money.
    • 3. Manipulate figures to load the company with as much debt as possible, use that money to pay yourself.
    • Then sit back ad see what happens, in the unlikely event the business succeeds it can be sold at a further profit to a gullible buyer. If as is more likely the business fails walk away with a big bonus and leave the banks and investors with the loss.

    1. Re:Hilco by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's a very biased and simplistic ways of looking at one of the possible outcomes. Or maybe it would happen along the lines of:

      1. Be voluntarily appointed as the administrator.
      2. Determine what if any of the business can be saved.
      3. Inject capital in the form of a high risk loan and a controlling stake of how that loan is spent.
      4. Turn the business around into a profit.
      5. Recover the loan with interest.

      Sometimes you even get number 6: Receive an award for the best turnaround of the decade. Though that isn't relevant in this case. Last time that happened was when this no name company called Hilco was appointed administrator of some music store called HMV 6 years ago and prevented the company from being liquidated. That is a completely different scenario.

  4. In American, what's "calling in administrators"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In American English, what's "calling in administrators"? This seems like a uniquely British term. Is it like declaring bankruptcy?

  5. Oh well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That will mean using Amazon or almost nothing in the UK from now on.
    I don't stream. I prefer owning physical media.

    Oh well, Rough Trade Records is only a short walk away down Portobello Road. That's a great place to spend a few hours on a wet afternoon and QPR aren't playing at home.

    1. Re:Oh well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you can go to discogs and buy pretty much any vinyl, cd / cassette in physical form if thats what you need.

    2. Re:Oh well... by ledow · · Score: 2

      UK high street is dead. Even the huge clothing stores are struggling or being sold off.

      Other countries aren't far behind.

      You can accept it, or you can adjust your life to suit.

      Another 20 years, you'll have a few huge supermarkets offering virtually everything (usually after inviting big brands into their stores to gain custom and habitualising people to using them, then stripping them for their own in-store brand... Specsavers in your local ASDA? Give it a year), high streets sold off for housing, and everything online.

      Feel grateful - you wouldn't have a public mail service (it'd be privatised as it is in some parts of London already by TNT), your high street is almost certainly filled with betting shops instead (the only people making money enough to pay the rent) and charity shops.

      High street is dead. Get over it. You're several decades and several major retailers too late to do anything much about it. Order your physical media on a specialist site online. Amazon will almost certainly out-price them eventually but if they don't, you'll still get your goods. Just posted to you. Via Royal Mail which is only alive nowadays because of Amazon.

    3. Re: Oh well... by fiddley · · Score: 2

      Agreed. High street, at best, has to become more like a showroom for stuff, fronting for a big online business.

      I was working for an electrical store in '96 when I had a secondment to the head office. I happened to bump in to the Chief Exec and had a chat, I told him he should look at this internet thingy and his reply was "We don't see the internet as a big part of our strategy".

      These idiots can be so short sighted it fucking hurts to see them taking home such large salaries.

      I also remember seeing a Microsoft presentation when they were lauding Encarta, the presenter said something along the lines of "We took our idea to Britannica, but they were afraid of cannibalising their book sales. We said 'if you dont cannibalise them, someone else will' and here we are with Encarta the biggest Encyclopaedia in the world". They obviously didn't see the big Wiki coming but the sentiment was right.

      FML, people are stupid.

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    4. Re:Oh well... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Well you can go to discogs and buy pretty much any vinyl, cd / cassette in physical form if thats what you need.

      How many shops have they got in the UK exactly?

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    5. Re: Oh well... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I happened to bump in to the Chief Exec and had a chat

      Sounds legit.

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    6. Re: Oh well... by fiddley · · Score: 1

      Maybe not in your world. I deal with C-level staff regularly.

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  6. Re:In American, what's "calling in administrators" by Going_Digital · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is essentially the same as Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. The Administrators are appointed to determine either a rescue plan or to liquidate the assets and shut down the company.

  7. Didn't bother reading the article. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Their Market share is increasing. But their profits are down. They are Selling CDs, DVDs and Blue rays.
    There is a general decline (for good or for bad) in demand of physical digital media, as we are shifting over to streaming services.
    So a lot of companies who sold this stuff has stopped doing such, so their market share is increasing in products that less people want to buy.

    Back over a 100 years ago. many companies can be making buggy whips, each one being a large growing industry. Each one would have a fraction of the market share.

    Today there may be a mom and pop shop that makes buggy whips that can meet the world demand. Just because there isn't that much demand.

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    1. Re:Didn't bother reading the article. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately UBI hasn't had a good test to show that it works. It sounds good on paper, but in practice it hasn't shown to be practical.

      What really is needed is increased Adult vocational education and training. There are still a lot of jobs, however they need skills that a lot of people do not have. That retail job that you lost may need to become a call center job, or a home health care nurse.

      In many ways it is kinda unfair to load kids with the responsibility to make career choices at the age of 18. Do I go into college, trade school, military, seminary... Or just get a job and hope it works out.
      At 18 these young adults are still mostly kids in their thoughts, If we had a system of continuing education a poor life choice from going into the wrong major. Wasting time digging ditches in the military, studying a trade that is obsolete, or just finding your heart into so much in your faith as you though. They can have options available for them for growth and changing the direction of their life without such a hassle.

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    2. Re: Didn't bother reading the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is baloney. A plethora of adult education is available from excellent providers. You just need to fuckin download it, set your credit card for autobill, and wait for it to show up in your library. Its really stupid autistics rants like this that make people want to literally bash their own heads in

    3. Re:Didn't bother reading the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are Selling CDs, DVDs and Blue rays.

      Perhaps they should start selling Blu-rays instead. There's not much of a market for electromagnetic radiation in the 450 nanometer wavelength band.

  8. Re: In American, what's "calling in administrators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the number of UK articles. Especially from msmash.

  9. Big in Japan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Physical discs somehow remain big in Japan, be it audio (j-pop idols, enka singers or voice dramas) or video (anime) on DVD and BD. Their labels managed to shape a consumer ethos whereby owning rather expensive "de luxe" box sets is the mark of a serious fan (otaku). The boxes are for shelf display as much as for storage, sitting behind glass alongside even more expensive figurines. Selling just ~6000 box sets is enough to finance e.g. a second quarter year of an anime franchise ( usually 12 eps x 25min).

    1. Re:Big in Japan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also manage to pack 12 episodes into 3 to 4 "volumes", separate releases which can easily cost 100-150 bucks each. They can also make like 20 separate audio CD releases out of it - sound track, opening and ending song, character songs, dramas. It is amusing that it works.

  10. Re:In American, what's "calling in administrators" by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If only there was like a website or something, where you could type words and phrases you don't know the meanings of and it would sort of tell you and all that.

    That'd be just dreamy.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=calling+i...

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  11. Exceptional management? by bagofbeans · · Score: 1

    So if this is "exceptionally well-run", what do you call it if the market changes were not just anticipated a bit better than this, but also an alternative busines strategy started?

  12. The headline is confusing. by TomBauserman · · Score: 0

    Who is KPMG? Administrators of what? Justice? I had to read the article to figure out what the headline was talking about.

    1. Re:The headline is confusing. by JamesKeane7745 · · Score: 1

      Seriously? KPMG are one of the big 4 accountancy and audit firms in the world. The only way that I can see that this post isn't just for the sake of calling out the headline is if you didn't know administration was a form of bankruptcy protection, but, its a fairly known international term at that.

    2. Re:The headline is confusing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is KPMG?

      One of the world's largest accounting and consulting firms.

      Administrators of what?

      HMV. It's in the summary.

  13. Re:In American, what's "calling in administrators" by TomBauserman · · Score: 0

    But isn't it the job of the person writing the headline. To write a headline that makes people want to read the article. Not go, hell I don't know what that means, is that english? Go to google, go oh so that's what means, now I don't want to go back to slashdot. Let's go outside.

  14. Big surprise by DrXym · · Score: 3, Interesting

    HMV barely changed its model from the last time it went bankrupt. It sells a few physical items like speakers, T-shirts, posters, figures etc. but its main business is still DVDs, CDs and console games and unsurprisingly these aren't selling as well as they once did.

    1. Re: Big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which they sold at high prices compared to competitors, and refused to discount even to a level that matched them.The damage is obvious and entirely self-inflicted.

    2. Re: Big surprise by DrXym · · Score: 1

      That too. See also GAME as another example of this phenomena - rape people on the cost of new / used games and trade-ins. Then they wonder why they have zero customer loyalty and keep entering receivership.

  15. only in canader eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was a regular at HMV - Square One in Mississauga when they first opened. Disco ruined that.

  16. Re:In American, what's "calling in administrators" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I downmodded you because you're an ignoramus that contributed nothing positive. And I enjoyed doing it. Have a nice day.

  17. Blame it on the publishers/industry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole DRM thing was kowtowing to their demands.

    What made Amazon/Apple/etc different was they were individually big enough to tell those groups 'Fuck no, our consumers want something different!' and to make it stick, which slowly started pulling demand away from drmed services right as the pushback from Sony's rootkit fiasco was in full view.

    1. Re:Blame it on the publishers/industry... by Desler · · Score: 1

      But Apple was only able to do so after many years of lobbying after having to accept DRM or they would be told to fuck off by the labels.

  18. Re:In American, what's "calling in administrators" by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Why is this modded Funny instead of insightful? It's a perfect explanation.

  19. Ahhh HMV Canada memories by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    a place where you could go and find lots of electronic music that you wanted but didn't buy because of the "Import Sticker" and $50+ price tag lol. Then Napster happened although FTP and upload/download shares were common between the IRC nerds.

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  20. I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'll stick with the napster road....

  21. They still sell stuff on disks? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    I threw out the optical drives from my computers (never any others) years ago and never missed them.

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    1. Re:They still sell stuff on disks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hurrah for you.
      Physical discs when ripped give you better quality than most streams or downloads and you can then do what you want with the result with no shitty DRM. And once ripped you can resell the disc or keep it for display/backup purposes.

  22. Re:In American, what's "calling in administrators" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this modded Funny instead of insightful? It's a perfect explanation.

    I'm guessing the trolls have sock puppet handles, and get mod points just to fsck things up. Or a wrong click. 20 years observer here. : /

  23. there's still a market for physical goods but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes there's still a market. cheap dvds make good presents for people you don't know what else to buy (which is more difficult as most people these days have all the cheap crap they want. biggest beneficiaries are standup comedian shows I think...)

    but dvds are cheap, take up a lot of space proportionaly and you have to have a massive variety on sale. high street floor space is more and more expensive because every space in the UK is getting more expensive. acres of racks of cds/dvds in a huge store just isnt going to work in this climate anymore. stores need to be a quarter of the size, popular stuff on racks and a stock of the slower selling items out the back in a warehouse, with computerised browsing instore, kind of like argos.

  24. yay another enemy of real music dies ded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Real music is live music. Live musicians make much less than they did before all the ripoffs of recording radio and tv took over.

    1. Re:yay another enemy of real music dies ded by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Real music is live music. Live musicians make much less than they did before all the ripoffs of recording radio and tv took over.

      Yes, I too prefer popping down to my local concert venue when I want a bit of background music as I'm doing the ironing on a Sunday afternoon.

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  25. The golden days of CD singles at HMV by rklrkl · · Score: 1

    I had fond memories of HMV in the 90's/early 2000's before downloads/streaming took over. It was the go-to place to get new CD single releases and the UK prices were amazing back then (99p for 4 tracks - often with 3 non-album new songs - or 99p for 8 remixes of a track).

    UK CD singles were such good value that the record industry decided to impose more and more draconian rules to ensure that they'd ultimately die off. Examples included raising the typical prices several times (yes, there were 1-track 3.99 pounds CD singles at the end!), and limiting the number of tracks (so you could end up with *3* discs for a single release e.g. Annie Lennox's "Cold", which could cost 3.99 pounds each - ridiculous).

    HMV were never the cheapest, so I used to mainly buy CD albums when they were on sale there. Once Amazon UK started selling CDs and DVDs, the writing really was on the wall for HMV. I've still bought the odd thing (on sale) at HMV Online in the past few years, but Amazon UK has almost entirely replaced HMV in most UK shopper's eyes I suspect.

    1. Re:The golden days of CD singles at HMV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One Christmas in Australa I bought the best of Suzi Quadro on CD in a Jewel box at at $30.Brought it home 1000 miles away and tried to play. It would not it had a dirty giant scratch across it.The store gave me the runaround. I rang the music distributor EMI? and asked to send me a copy. They would not. Yeah sue us they said. Do small claims court. Haha.

      I did research. see https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties6.htm
      From there on I swore an oath to never purchase new again, only buy from used stores and internet. An enemy for life. 25 years on I have never looked back. Unlike many, I am fully licenced at $2 a peice or less.with DVD TV sets averaging $4 used.

      Thank you EMI and HMV. As a baby boomer, I also boycott firms with app only deals.
      What comes around...

  26. Three letters: "HMV not DRM" by tepples · · Score: 1

    What special power did they have over any other music seller?

    A three-letter brand. Just as there had been the anarcho-punk slogan "DIY not EMI", there could have been "HMV not DRM".

  27. Re: In American, what's "calling in administrator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't recall the tagline being 'News for American nerds about America'

  28. Re:In American, what's "calling in administrators" by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    First sentence should end in a question mark. The second isn't actually a sentence, since it has no finite verb in the main clause. Third one has commas in random places, plus names of countries and words derived from them should be capitalized.

    You're hardly in a position to pontificate about good writing.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  29. 2018 .- streaming sales surpass cd by bb_matt · · Score: 1

    This year, streaming music surpassed the revenue of CD's, it's surprising HMV held on for so long. Aside from job losses, there is a bright side to this. HMV and its ilk were responsible, indirectly, for putting thousands of small record shops out of business. We ended up with a narrow selection of choice, dictated by record labels. Specialist record shops are on the rise again, serving niche markets and online music has never been stronger - I'm not just talking about the obvious players, there's also services like Bandcamp and numerous online radio stations. Whilst it's still exceptionally difficult to make a living making music, there are more opportunities for artists to make a decent living. Artists that don't expect to be mega-stars making millions, but rather, to make an honest buck doing what they love. HMV never supported artists such as this, but independent record stores and online services do, so arguably, this is a good thing. Good riddance HMV, but good luck to those out of a job - that part of it sucks.

    1. Re:2018 .- streaming sales surpass cd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you going on about this? Isn't there anything else you could be pissed about? The world's on fire and you're pissing and moaning about this? Hypocritical bitch. I want your punk ass marching up and down in from of the Whitehouse until your feet fall off or you're just another bitch. We clear on this?

  30. Re:In American, what's "calling in administrators" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't understand English, that's not the editor's fault and there is little they can do about it.