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'My Airbnb Guests Threw a New Year's Party For 300 People' (theguardian.com)

"What's the worst that can happen?" thought Nicko Feinberg last December when he listed his house on Airbnb. The listing explicitly said no parties. Then a request came through to book the house for one night on New Year's Day. It was from a young man, probably in his early 20s. He had one review but it was terrific.... I picked up my boys and we stayed down the road at my mother's apartment... When I got back [the next day] I saw three or four cars in the driveway. I threw my food down and knew I was screwed. Inside there were about 12 young adults, all trying to clean.

The floors looked like someone had poured Jagermeister and champagne everywhere and then danced on them. Everything seemed wrong: my artwork was not on the walls; there was furniture missing; the glass panel on my staircase was shattered; even the floor didn't seem level any more. Then I noticed they were using my best sheets and towels as mops....I told them no one was leaving and I called the police and Airbnb. When a police officer turned up, he said it was a civil matter, before adding: "We were here last night...."

Ultimately, it was just stuff and I knew it would be OK. But I felt a massive disappointment in humanity. That night, it wasn't hard for me and my boys to find Instagram pictures and videos of the party. It was horrifying to see so many people in the house, jumping up and down on the furniture and windowsills. They broke my hot tub and tiles in the bathroom; when I looked in the rubbish bags, I saw all my drinks bottles empty, as well as broken glasses and towels. I found an image online of the invite that said, "Mansion Party" with my address. There had been 300 people there. Boys were charged to enter; girls got in free.

While he won't disclose what Airbnb paid him for the damage, "a year later repairs are continuing. The floor is still uneven." But he told one local news channel that the damage was over $100,000, adding "There's footprints on my bathroom walls."

At one point more than 100 cars had been parked outside, according to a police report, and the 23-year-old was ultimately charged with "disorderly conduct". He also was banned permanently from Airbnb -- which said in a statement that "negative incidents are incredibly rare."

374 comments

  1. Yeah by MichaelSmith · · Score: 0, Troll

    In Melbourne this would be a normal Saturday night with 300 Sudanese teenagers.

    1. Re:Yeah by gijoel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You spelt bogan wrong.

    2. Re:Yeah by gOOIe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Disappointing comment Michael, but far worse is being given a "score 3" on this site.
      I moved to Melbourne more than 50 years and there's been a great tradition of vilifying each new wave of immigrants
      However, it usually reflects more on the family of those doing the denigrating - in my experience at least.
      (I was born from English dad & "Aussie" mum whose family was hugely racist against Australian aboriginals - I never worked out why.)

    3. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      People become prejudiced against groups of immigrants because they see the clash between how said immigrants behave in reality vs. the idealised image that has been drilled into them by misguided educators who feel morally superior to everyone else.

    4. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, people become prejudiced against immigrants because of social in-grouping and out-grouping. When someone of your own race commits a crime, you put them in a different category; "oh, that was one of the bad ones." When an immigrant commits a crime; "oh, they're all like that." People fail to realize there are assholes in both groups.

    5. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found Peter Duttons media advisor who lives 3000kms from Melbourne.

    6. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a good example for my point: on the one hand you have certain groups that commit relatively more crimes and on the other hand you have "moral authorities" who try their best to hide and downplay this (e.g. journalists deciding to no longer mention the identity of the perpetrator if they belong to said group). So people fill in the gaps with experience from their daily lives.

      This doesn't affect all immigrants. Many groups of immigrants have no such negative stereotypes. It's the ones where reality and fiction clash.

    7. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's why racism didn't exist before people started saying it's a bad thing.

    8. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a niave child.
      If you donâ(TM)t see this, you need to do two things:

      Open your eyes
      Grow up and smell the scumbags

      They are all around. Everywhere. They will knife weaklings like you in their own country.

    9. Re: Yeah by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If it makes you feel better, the rest of us still think ya'll are a bunch of prisoners. No big deal, it's why you're there.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    10. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It may sound racist but it is actually true. Melbourne has a serious problem with Sudanese youths at the moment.

    11. Re: Yeah by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Australians need to go back to England??

    12. Re: Yeah by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      For a country founded as a penal colony, they sure managed to import a lot of English classism with them.

      I think people are becoming less racist in general, but the holdouts seem to be so bitter and vile about it.

    13. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't be racist, Australians come from all over the world.

    14. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      im smelling a huge scumbag right here

    15. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "immigrants" aren't a homogenous group and aren't perceived as such.

      For example traditional Asian immigrants in Europe are generally well liked and there's no "oh they're all like that" generalization. That's exactly why British journalists try to rebrand criminals from the middle east as "Asian".

    16. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In this particular case, by the numbers alone, the Sudanese commit substantially more violent crime per capita than any other cultural group in Australia. To the point where other minority cultural groups, like Vietnamese, are now forming up to fight back. The racism will continue to grow until this problem is resolved.

    17. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Like Georgia you mean ?

      To be fair to Australia the British did need somewhere to send the rest of their convicts once they realized they couldn't send them to America anymore, after the revolutionary war.

      You did know the British sent just as many convicts to America as Australia, right ?

      Look at them now. Australia was founded as convict settlements and now is the envy of the world, constantly in the top two or three best places in the world to live. America was founded by religious fanatics expelled from Europe and is now a morass of drugs, crime and poverty.

      Australia for the win !

    18. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When blanket saying "best places to live" publications usually use this amalgamation of stats: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report. Calling it Happiness here is a misnomer but the stats they use to rank the list are pretty good (freedom of choice; access to health care; income; etc).

      Australia is #10 in the world. So not quite 2 or 3 but close enough. USA is #18 just ahead of the UK.

    19. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably used to live in a regional town with a large aboriginal population.

      Big problems with substance abuse (petrol and glue sniffing), binge drinking and physical and sexual abuse.

      Sounds like low social economic problems? But that really doesn't explain the scale of the issue. Small regional towns often go into lockdown on pension days, when a fortnight's worth of money is spent on a one night binge that results in dangerous mobs.

      Even in the major cities you see groups of aboriginal children on public transport huffing glue. Never seen the same from non-aboriginal children.

    20. Re:Yeah by quenda · · Score: 1

      Sadly 100% true and not a troll. Mods please undo the bad moderation.

      Because of this, anyone of African appearance would terrify an AirBnB host.
      But if they heard your American or British accent, they would relax. Nigerian too, if they know the difference between Nigerian and Sudanese.
      Its not about "race", but about all the recent violent crime from a particular refugee group.

    21. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I live in Vietnam as an expat. The day a foreigner starts causing problems and attacking Vietnamese people, is the day there is one fewer foreigner in Vietnam. The only question would be whether the (generally very laid back) cops beat him up on the way to the airport for deportation.

      That's one reason old ladies can walk alone at night in a city of 13 million.

    22. Re:Yeah by quenda · · Score: 1

      I moved to Melbourne more than 50 years and there's been a great tradition of vilifying each new wave of immigrants

      Really? That simple? Most of the current immigrants are from China, India and UK.
      Sure there are a few grumbles about minor matters, but who is vilifying them?
      I do remember a backlash against some groups, and maybe all if you go back far enough.
      Vietnamese drug importation, high crime rate among Islanders who came via NZ, fraud from Greeks, the Griffith Mafia, ...
        But not every group, and not recently. The Chinese are working hard, not on welfare, and not committing crime. Not "vilified" .

      There was never a huge problem with any of those groups. Not so many violent attacks on random strangers.
      But the tiny percentage of immigrants from Sudan are causing a wave of of crimes that were previously rare in Melbourne.
      All by mobs of male youths, around 15 to 25. Carjackings and home invasions, as well as swarms of youth snatching phones and handbags at public events and beaches. Not all immigrant groups are the same. To suggest so would be a bit racist, no?

      https://www.google.com/search?...

    23. Re:Yeah by quenda · · Score: 1

      Found Peter Duttons media advisor who lives 3000kms from Melbourne.

      Politicians like Peter Dutton shamelessly exaggerate and exploit problems.
      But this does not mean there is no basis in fact.

    24. Re:Yeah by mdhoover · · Score: 1

      If you stick "airbnb trashed melbourne" into google you might notice a theme starts to develop...

    25. Re:Yeah by _merlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've got an apartment in Flemington (Melbourne) as well as one in Elizabeth Bay (Sydney), so when I'm in Melbourne, I'm in African immigrant central. There's almost no trouble here. In fact, most of the trouble involving Africans is vandalism targeting businesses owned by Africans in the main street. A few years back, they had to sack most of the local cops because they were targeting African kids for no reason. The trouble is, when you have to cops unfairly targeting a group, they'll think, "Well, I get treated like a criminal even when I'm clean - I may as well just be a criminal."

      If you haven't noticed that every group of immigrants in Australia is racist to the next group, you've had your eyes shut. The western Europeans/Brits hated the Greek and Italian "wogs", then the "wogs" hated the Chinese/Vietnamese, and the Chinese/Vietnamese feel entitled to hate the Indians and Africans.

      Now there have been issues with groups, but you get that with kids that grew up in a war zone - they're going to have trouble adjusting to a "normal" society. Do you remember the 4T gang in western Sydney? They'd shoot people for looking at their girlfriends wrong. They imploded when their charismatic leader was killed. But what would've happened if instead of targeting the problematic behaviour, we'd alienated the entire Vietnamese community? We'd have a permanent underclass at odds with the rest of society. What about the MERCS (middle-eastern raping cunts)? Do you remember the outrage over that? When the other Lebanese people found out who was responsible for this, they started sending death threats to their parents, like, "Your fucking kids are giving the entire Lebanese community a bad name! We're gonna kill you!" But it was the same thing - kids from a war zone not knowing any different.

      Wait a decade or so, and Sudanese will be the same - the Sudanese community will be an integral part of Australia's multicultural society, everyone will look back on the initial issues through the lens of hindsight, and they'll join in with everyone else in hating on whoever the latest round of refugees or economic migrants are.

    26. Re: Yeah by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      wtf does this have to do with Australians. Was this a bogan throwing a party or something?

      --
      My ism, it's full of beliefs.
    27. Re:Yeah by quenda · · Score: 2

      Wait a decade or so, and Sudanese will be the same - the Sudanese community will be an integral part of Australia's multicultural society,

      Wishful thinking at best. How are the Aboriginals doing? Living in Melbourne, you probably don't meet any, but come to WA or Queensland.
      These social divides can last centuries with no solution in sight. Yes there are big differences in the two groups, but also similarities. And overseas experience with sub-Saharans has not been good. Look at London or the US. Or visit sub-Saharan Africa - it is nothing like Eurasia.
      I fear there is no factual basis for your optimism, but I do hope it proves correct.

       

    28. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, Australia is best that is why Australia has a huge illegal immigration problem and America does not!

    29. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many whites are prejudiced against Australian aboriginals because of the broken behaviours that the community displays. Of all those aboriginal families with unruly children, the common denominator is a missing or deadbeat father who cannot discipline his children.

    30. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Afghani and Pakistani ethnic criminals are truly Asian by descent. Their ancestral homelands exist on the Asian continent.

    31. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that penal colony was just a small slice of New South Wales, not the entire country.

    32. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The social construct "Asian" doesn't mean brown Arab rapists, but you like to pretend that it does.

    33. Re:Yeah by _merlin · · Score: 2

      They're already integrating. When the Sudanese arrived, they started opening gender-segregated coffee shops etc. - you'd have these places where just Sudanese men hung out, no women or other nationalities. Now most of them have closed, and when you walk past the ones that haven't, you see women and white Aussies sitting down there as well. There are three Somali restaurants on up the street, and there are Vietnamese people working alongside the Somalis in the kitchens. I bet there are gonna be a hell of a lot of half Asian, half African babies in Melbourne's next generation, because the local schools (St Brendan's, Mount Alexander College, St Aloysius, etc.) are full of African and Asian kids mingling.

      The media loves horror stories. They've blown up a few incidents in Melbourne out of all proportion, because it gets them eyeballs. A few years back it was drug gangs and home invasions they were making a big song and dance about, and most of the perpetrators were white or Vietnamese. There's still some of that going on, particularly around St Albans (western suburbs of Melbourne, poor working class), but the media's moved on to the next thing to get people worked up about.

      You mention the Aborigines, but I think that makes my point about disenfranchising an entire community. The Aboriginal community as a whole has been disenfranchised, and that's led to this rift that we can't bridge. If we target the entire Sudanese community rather than just the problematic people/behaviours, we'll create another disenfranchised group. But I think in a way it's already too late for that to happen. Walk up the main street of Flemington some time - the Sudanese Australians are already Australians.

    34. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're making the incorrect assumption that Africans can ever be part of polite society. They are dumb as a bag of bricks. We don't have a multicultural society in Australia we have segregated communities.

    35. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama is 100x smarter than you

    36. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reality is simply that whites are being replaced. We keep taking from non white countries with high birth rates and pretend we're making the world better. For what purpose?

    37. Re:Yeah by RuiFRibeiro · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when I was an expat in Africa, I was turned criminal because I felt "excluded" and "targeted". Utter PC rubbish.

    38. Re:Yeah by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Well, Australians aren't replacing themselves. Australian birth rate is well below replacement. Even Australian muslim birth rate is now below replacement. Capitalism is predicated on perpetual growth, so if the population doesn't grow organically, you need to add more people another way. But white Australians aren't being replaced, unless you want to redefine "white" - the biggest immigrant groups each year are still from white countries.

    39. Re:Yeah by _merlin · · Score: 1

      You're full of shit. My neighbours in Melbourne are a mix of different nationalities, and no-one gives a fuck. Well there's this one Rasta guy on this floor who has these loser "friends" who hang around him just because they know he always shares the herb, and they can be a pain, but it's just that he's too damn nice and won't tell them to piss off even though they're clearly leeching off him - nothing to do with race. Step into any finance industry shop and you'll find best and and brightest of all nationalities. No-one makes a big deal about it, because it just isn't a bit deal.

      You get enclaves when a new group of immigrants arrive, but once they spread out into the community, the enclaves dissolve. Where are the Greek, Italian and Maltese enclaves now? They don't exist any more. Once they spread out into the community, they help new arrivals find their feet. The Vietnamese enclaves are diluting as well. Relatively speaking, there aren't that many Vietnamese businesses in Footscray any more (and remember that was a Greek enclave before it became a Vietnamese enclave).

      I've been in this country long enough to hear the same arguments about every wave of immigrants. Greeks and Italians were going to be the end of Australia. Vietnamese were going to be the end of Australia. Lebanese were going to be the end of Australia. Africans are going to be the end of Australia. I'm still waiting for it to happen.

    40. Re: Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but he is a scheming Jew

  2. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If you want to act like a hotel, be prepared for people to treat you like one.

    I felt a massive disappointment in humanity.

    You played a stupid game with your personal property, and it looks like you won some pretty stupid prizes. Hopefully this was a learning experience.

    1. Re:Good by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you want to act like a hotel, be prepared for people to treat you like one.

      Which hotel allows you to throw parties with hundreds of people?

    2. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about "allowed"? People will regardless, that's the point. Hotels are budgeted to deal with it. Is some rando on AirBNB?

    3. Re:Good by DCFusor · · Score: 2

      Hotels keep staff on hand to notice and call police. Cuts down the budget requirement quite a bit. They also generally get plastic collateral...before you even get in.

      --
      Why guess when you can know? Measure!
    4. Re:Good by DaMattster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hotels also have a legal army behind them to keep people generally in line. Hotels have established case law precedent which will also side with them in case of having guests that behave like this. I am certain the large chains have successfully garnished guest's wages for repayment of property damage. I am honestly shocked that the police didn't charge the AirBnB guest with, at the very least, criminal mischief

    5. Re:Good by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used to work at a hotel. It was common for people to check in with "only 2 people" but then secretly bring in a dozen friends to stay with them and lounge at the pool. In terms of raw numbers of guests who did it it was fairly rare, but it would happen about once a month. The worst ones would trash the rooms and our facility equipment. You wanna know why it costs so much to stay at a hotel, you can thank these people. The thousands of dollars it cost us to repair their damage was paid for via the fees charged to all hotel guests. We're supposed to be able to charge damages to the credit card you used to pay for the room, but they knew what they were doing and usually paid in cash and gave fake names and address/phone numbers.

    6. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Who said anything about "allowed"? People will regardless, that's the point. Hotels are budgeted to deal with it. Is some rando on AirBNB?

      If you rent your home to random people, you get what you deserve.

      I have zero sympathy for this moron.

    7. Re:Good by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have an Airbnb, and have hosted hundreds of guests. I never had anything happen like what is described in TFA.

      I once rented to a group of people that turned out to be a Harley motorcycle gang. When they checked out, the place was immaculate. All the laundry was done, the towels were folded, the dishes were washed and put away, and they left me a five star review.

    8. Re:Good by Local+ID10T · · Score: 1

      Which hotel allows you to throw parties with hundreds of people?

      Most large hotels have ballrooms and banquet facilities available. They also have security, bartenders, cleaning staff, and maintenance workers. Oh, and they charge you appropriately for use of all of the above.

      --
      "You want to know how to help your kids? Leave them the fuck alone." -George Carlin
    9. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never had anything happen like what is described in TFA.

      I've never had a serious medical emergency, it doesn't stop me from preparing for the possibility. If your idea of disaster planning is "hasn't happened to me, so I don't have to do anything", good luck. Keep trusting strangers with your personal belongings.

    10. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is that? because you're a socialist who has it out for airbnb like socialists have it out for uber?

    11. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I’ve played Russian roulette hundreds of times. I never had anything bad happen.

    12. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get punks suffering from a case of "affluensa", who love to trash expensive hotel rooms after getting stone drunk.

        So it warmed my heart when one of these punks got owned by the hotel owner who pressed charges on them instead of accepting their payment for damages.

        But no, I still don't have sympathy for AirBnB and this homeowner is lucky it wasn't much worse because it often is much worse.

    13. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * a baseball bat to the head will cure "Affluenza"

    14. Re:Good by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Keep trusting strangers with your personal belongings.

      Yeah, right. Because I am super worried they are going to steal the dishes I bought at Walmart five years ago.

      Do you really think that Airbnbers leave their Ming vase collection sitting on the kitchen counter?

    15. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next time try hosting a n1gger gang party, to be fair.

    16. Re:Good by Cito · · Score: 0

      Uhm you got that backwards. The masses allowing homes to be used for Airbnb is a socialist move.

      Folks against letting the masses use their home are individualist.

      Individualism will always and forever be infinitely better than any form of socialism or communism which socialism always becomes.

    17. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really need to start reading the summaries, Bill. Ming vases or no, this man is still repairing the damage to his property months later. You think you're completely immune from assholes who don't respect your stuff?

    18. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      > Uhm you got that backwards. The masses allowing homes to be used for Airbnb is a socialist move.

      Socialism is government ownership of the means of production.

      Nothing is being produced here, and the government is not involved. Ergo, you're an idiot.

    19. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Negan: Lucille's a vampire bat, and she's thirsty!

    20. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      but they knew what they were doing and usually paid in cash and gave fake names and address/phone numbers.

      Since you used to work in a hotel, perhaps you can explain why any hotel would accept a reservation without ID and credit card and a pre-auth on the credit card of say 1,000 to 10,000 to cover damages, should they occur. Can you imagine the Waldorf Astoria in New York allowing any guest to book without having at least 10,000 available on credit for damages? Maybe Motel 6 or Super 8 allows cash bookings with fake or no ID, but Marriot or Hyatt? Hard to believe.

    21. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am honestly shocked that the police didn't charge the AirBnB guest with, at the very least, criminal mischief

      I think your confusion is thinking that police do much of anything that isn't a revenue stream for the government that employs them.

    22. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exercise to the reader: Use ShanghaiBill's AirBNB and trash the place. See what he does.

    23. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >socialism is

      It's amazing how many posts do this.
      Not necessarily with "socialism"
      Not necessarily with slashdot
      Not necessarily with an explicit "X is" opening

      But the internet is full of people arguing past each other because of what they think X is, whether it's global politics or weekday vegans.

    24. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not a mere difference of opinion, though. That is literally the definition of socialism.

    25. Re:Good by toadlife · · Score: 1

      It was common for people to check in with "only 2 people" but then secretly bring in...

      My wife and I do this with our five kids. We don't trash hotel rooms though.

      --
      I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
    26. Re:Good by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      this man is still repairing the damage to his property months later.

      What happened to him is very rare, and he was reimbursed by Airbnb.

      Saying that you shouldn't rent rooms because of this is as silly as saying that you shouldn't go outside because you might get hit by lightning.

      You think you're completely immune from assholes who don't respect your stuff?

      I have 3 rooms that I rent for $100 per night each, with about 70% occupancy. That comes to ~$6000 per month. That is double what I could make with long term rentals. Over the last five years, I have had no more than a handful of broken plates and glasses, and a few towels with wine stains. Maybe $100 total.

      Could I get a guest from hell? Sure, but I could also get hit by a meteor. I don't spend my life obsessively worrying about either.

    27. Re: Good by locketine · · Score: 1

      Are you prepared for your medical emergency? Carry around several quarts of your own blood in the trunk of your car?

      Both you, AirBnB and the homeowner are equally prepared; you have insurance.

      --
      Think globally but act within local variable scope.
    28. Re:Good by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 5, Funny

      We had a similar experience once with AirBnB. They'd cut holes in the ceiling to get the giraffe in, the walls were covered in copies of Shakespeare apparently typed by large numbers of monkeys, and we had to use a crane to get the Baleen whale out of the bathtub. Luckily this was just before the subprime mortgage crisis,and we unloaded the place on speculators before they discovered what was inside the pentagram in the basement.

    29. Re:Good by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Which hotel allows you to throw parties with hundreds of people?

      The Four Points Sheraton in Warren, Michigan....

      Well, they used to anyway - if you were high school buddies with the desk clerk. I just looked them up and that location is CLOSED. I used to work for a company that put all their out of town visitors there. I arrived one Friday night to find quite the party going on and they were all high school kids. I had to get up about 4 AM Detroit time which sucked even more because I was on west coast time. I called the front desk 3-4 times to complain about the loud party and the last time I called I said my next phone call would be to the cops.

      Well, my next phone call was rejected because the front desk clerk had shut off my local phone service. What the actual fuck? So I called the cops on my mobile phone. It took them 10 minutes to get there even though they were in spitting distance of the hotel, but about 2 minutes later all the high school kids had scattered.

      I found out later that my employer actually owned part of that hotel which probably explains why they didn't seem to care when I told them how horrible it was. So I'm getting a teeny bit of schadenfreude out of finding out that it's now closed.

      Also, not only did I quit a few months later, half of the rest of the IT department did too. It's what happens when you treat your employees like shit and make them stay at sleazy hotels.

    30. Re:Good by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you want to act like a hotel, be prepared for people to treat you like one.

      Which hotel allows you to throw parties with hundreds of people?

      Call any larger hotel and tell them you want to book a party. Their conference services people will set you up in a room that handles 300 people easily, complete with DJ and bar.
      The thing is to not book a single king bed room and expect the same.

    31. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what you get for renting to Led Zeppelin...

    32. Re:Good by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1, Troll

      It seems like allowing everyone to run their own little hotel out of their house without regulation is more of a libertarian move. A socialist move might be something like the government requiring you to rent your spare bedroom and demanding a cut - or maybe quartering troops in your home or taxing your empty bedrooms like they do in some countries.

    33. Re:Good by jason777 · · Score: 2

      Did you check it with a blacklight?

    34. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hotels with zero security guards let you throw massive parties.

    35. Re:Good by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Yeah, right. Because I am super worried they are going to steal the dishes I bought at Walmart five years ago.

      Of course you aren't worried about that, but this is where AirBnB gets weird. I suspect your AirBnB rental is something that isn't your primary residence, but part of the promise (or so I thought) was that people could open up their spare bedroom or even their master bedroom when they were away and not using it themselves. It would be a way to make a little money and also provide an affordable room to someone else who might find paying for a hotel room a bit expensive.

      If I felt I could trust someone not to trash my place, I would gladly allow them to stay here for a small fee but I don't know these people and very quickly you'll have to start treating it as a business. So it's not a big deal if they break your dishes, but what if they break all the windows? What if they start ripping copper out of the walls? At some point you're going to want insurance.

      And for the average person separating their Ming vase collection from their spare room just isn't feasible. If I were to open up my home as an AirBnB I'd have to shift a bunch of stuff into a bedroom which I wouldn't give people access to which really cuts down on the rentable space not to mention being kind of inconvenient.

      But if I were well off enough to have a 2nd home which I had furnished with garbage from Walmart that I didn't really care about it, I could rent it all the time and not really worry too much about broken plates. I can always buy more plates from Walmart, but I have things which are not so easily replaced and which have more sentimental than monetary value.

    36. Re:Good by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      what if they break all the windows? What if they start ripping copper out of the walls?

      They don't need to rent the place to do that. They can just smash in the front door with a sledgehammer.

      Either way, this almost never happens. Spending your life cowering in the corner because of one-in-a-million risks is idiotic.

    37. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You strike me as the kind of fellow who gets angry when people use the phrase "asking for it".

    38. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Socialism is government ownership of the means of production.

      If the government then issued certificates of equal "shares" to everyone regardless of their contribution, would that still be socialism?

    39. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure you've had your share of major FUCK-UPS, oh holier-than-thou one.

    40. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Chateau, Roosevelt, and Sunset, all three in Los Angeles. The parties were in rooms or suites with lots of people wandering the hallways.

    41. Re:Good by Undead+Waffle · · Score: 1

      Note that the party was advertised as a "mansion party". I'm guessing the house you're renting isn't a mansion.

    42. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Think of it as insurance.

      You pay the government regular home property tax, you get regular home coverage: police for a burglar, emergency medical care (in civilized countries) for 1 family, fire protection for typical home fires.

      You pay the government the commercial rate tax, you get extended coverage: police for rowdy hotel guests, on-site medical care for large gatherings, fire protection for industrial sites.

      Why is this so hard to understand and why are you framing it as something sinister?

    43. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly all of them! They have large ballrooms you can rent. They will let you book acts and most can help you with crowd control and security. The house will be happy to provide bar tenders and liquor as well. Oh it all costs money and they will ask for insurance fees but you definitely can host a party for 100s or even several thousand at a big hotel

    44. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >People running small businesses are socialists

      Congrats on dumbest comment of the day.

    45. Re:Good by GNious · · Score: 2

      Keep trusting strangers with your personal belongings.

      Yeah, right. Because I am super worried they are going to steal the dishes I bought at Walmart five years ago.

      Do you really think that Airbnbers leave their Ming vase collection sitting on the kitchen counter?

      Is AirBnB still arguing that they are just helping people rent out their private homes for those weekends etc where the hosts are out themselves?

    46. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but I hope that one day, those party peoples personal details are leaked publicly, and their home is burned to the ground making
      them homeless....

    47. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't sound necessary.
      You don't shit where you eat.

      Say that you are going to a town to kill some dude that didn't pay his debts.
      You want to do that in peace and don't want the town or law enforcement to interfere with your business.
      So you behave exceptionally tidy. You are friendly to the people who house you and you help the old lady over the street.
      You don't want anyone to call the cops at you for some other reason like not liking your face, because if they do the cops might find out too much.

    48. Re:Good by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      We're supposed to be able to charge damages to the credit card you used to pay for the room, but they knew what they were doing and usually paid in cash and gave fake names and address/phone numbers.

      These days, only the most garbage hotels will even let you stay without CC verification...

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    49. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here's the sad obsessive racist....

    50. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duuh! There are people supervising the hotels.
      Also, modern hotels are designed to be low-maintenance and low environment footprint.

      Silver spoon, this one feeds from.

    51. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SO now the gov should save your ass??!

      Unbelievable..

    52. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comparing choosing not not to rent out rooms on AirBnB to "spending your life cowering in the corner" is idiotic.

    53. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much was he reimbursed compared to the cost of the damage? From some of the cases I've heard, AirBnB typically only pays a very tiny amount compared to the cost of the damage.

    54. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brilliant.

    55. Re:Good by walllaby · · Score: 1

      Wrong. You've just defined communism, not socialism. The economy can take many forms under socialism.

    56. Re:Good by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      "One-in-a-million risks"? I don't think so. I've had my home broken into twice. The first time might have been with a sledgehammer, but probably didn't require such a large device. A friend of mine had his apartment broken into by a guy who broke into his neighbor's apartment and then proceeded to take a sledgehammer to go through the wall to break into his apartment.

      And over the years, I've had guests who pilfered things from me. Just things that they thought I wouldn't notice were missing right away, but things that I did notice were missing and I'm pretty sure I knew who stole them too, but what could I do?

      So it's far from a one in a million chance even if you want to blame me for being a poor judge of character for inviting those guests into my home.

      But I live in a nicer neighborhood now and crime is not nearly as prevalent where those break-ins I mentioned happened. I'm not cowering in the corner at all. I'm not even sure if my backdoor is locked right now. But I am more careful about who I allow into my home because I have figuratve "Ming vases" all over the place.

    57. Re:Good by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      Because taxation is theft, and those that call themselves government do the same thing factually as criminals do.

      The police have no general obligation to protect anyone.

    58. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit, what bozo mod this a troll. My sides are dead, you guys are a fucking joke

    59. Re:Good by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      How much was he reimbursed compared to the cost of the damage? From some of the cases I've heard, AirBnB typically only pays a very tiny amount compared to the cost of the damage.

      Second article: "Airbnb's hosts are protected by a host guarantee, which covers listings for up to a million dollars in damage." If you have articles I can read to support your claim I'd love to read them. (Seriously, not meaning to sound like an ass)

    60. Re:Good by drsquare · · Score: 1

      An unlicensed, quasi-legal, unregulated gig-economy 'hotel', that one.

    61. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grew up in Warren, MI and this made me smile.

    62. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because taxation is theft

      Lol, this bullshit wrongism again

    63. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Because taxation is theft
      > Lol, this bullshit wrongism again

      They want your money.

      What happens if you refuse to give it to them?

  3. Let's have a similar party... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's all slasdotters have a similar party on New Year's Day at that IT janitor place on Fruitdale street in San Jose!

    1. Re:Let's have a similar party... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We would have to kick him out first, he barely fits inside the place by himself!

    2. Re:Let's have a similar party... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problems, I'll invite him to a Shake Shack in Palo Alto and offer to pay for his 4 cheeseburgers and 3 milkshakes. He will come for sure but I won't be there, I'll be partying with the rest of us in his place!

  4. Well duh by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You rent your home full of your stuff to a total stranger. What do you expect?

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    1. Re:Well duh by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You rent your home full of your stuff to a total stranger. What do you expect?

      The same as any B&B who rents out a room expects - someone who stays, behaves, pays, and leaves.

      People like this should be sentenced to military conscription, with every paycheck going to the victim until all damages are paid off with interest. That should teach them some respect.

    2. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So anyone that seeks to make some extra money via the sharing economy is a retard?

      The only regard is you â" hate filled fascists are invariably fucking morons

    3. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes any retard that seeks to make some extra money via the sharing economy is a retard!

    4. Re:Well duh by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      You rent your home full of your stuff to a total stranger. What do you expect?

      You expect people to be civil and reasonable, not a bunch of animals -- even teenagers.

      Of course I'm an old fogie, I worked hard and paid for it, so I'm more likely to take an interest in prolonging its lifetime As Opposed To seeing if the fridge with float in the hottub.

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    5. Re: Well duh by kurkosdr · · Score: 0

      You can do that, but be in close proximity for cases like the above. Most AirBnB guests live really close to the property they are renting just so this won't happen. BTW this is no different than a long-term renter deciding to throw a wild party during his last week of tenancy.

    6. Re:Well duh by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      You expect people to be civil and reasonable, not a bunch of animals

      A quick review of the record shows that you are hopelessly optimistic.

    7. Re:Well duh by sentiblue · · Score: 0

      Why don't you try going on to airbnb and rent my home, then try the same shit. I'll make dumb phucks like you wish you never had enough money to rent my place to begin with.

    8. Re:Well duh by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And someone with a very nice house, why would you even need the extra cash by renting out to air-bnb?

    9. Re: Well duh by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Well, they want to share. But they're using money as a convenient proxy. Completely and totally not the same as using money as a proxy for bartering.

    10. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I am whore sharing, and the cops can't bust me because money is just an incidental part of the program

    11. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll rent you to my homies. I have the hat with the lepoard print head band and feather all ready for me to put on too.

    12. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because nice houses are expensive, especially when this valuable asset is sitting idle?

    13. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it’s sitting idle, sell it and invest the proceeds in an index fund. Much better use.

    14. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oooh I'm quaking in my boots at the internet tough guy.

    15. Re:Well duh by Desler · · Score: 1

      If it's valuable why in the hell would you rent it to a rando teenager?

    16. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The same as any B&B who rents out a room expects - easy money for almost zero risk work or exchange

      So did TFS's Nicko.

    17. Re: Well duh by hey! · · Score: 1

      People like this should be sentenced to military conscription,

      Because what could possibly go wrong?

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    18. Re:Well duh by Megane · · Score: 2

      I could be wrong, but I thought a proper B&B still had the owners in the house, with the guests in common areas and a bedroom. Renting out your entire house, going a few blocks away, and not even giving it a drive-by, doesn't sound like the same thing.

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    19. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a complete idiot who deserves to have his stuff broken if you think renting out your personal house on AirBnB is a good idea.

      If you want to do that, buy a small apartment put in cheap furnishing and have a go. At least if it's trashed it's not your personal living space with all of your personal stuff that has been destroyed.

    20. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this case it wasn't sitting idle. The owner lived there with his teenage sons.

    21. Re:Well duh by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      It would also teach them that slavery is alive and well.

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    22. Re:Well duh by Gimric · · Score: 1

      Not just to a total stranger. To a 20 year old on New Year's Eve. What did you think he wanted the property for?

    23. Re:Well duh by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Bed-and-breakfast typically has the owner (or at least staff) on site. This sounded more like a house rental and he had a poor renter. That's why you don't keep your stuff around when you rent out or you make sure the security covers the place.

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    24. Re: Well duh by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Well, I expect them to treat it with respect and also to the rules I laid down. Now, what did YOU expect? Do you trash every place you rent with the excuse I paid for it, I can do whatever I want?!?

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    25. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to be in office.

    26. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A hotel has a staff presence. That staff can revoke the rental for violations and then the cops can remove them.

      Fucking AirBnB doesn't keep a staff presence, so of course assholes will flock to it. AirBnBers are general criminals illegally operating an unsafe hotel business and pretending otherwise because "with a computer".

    27. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BRB, I'm off to register pussyshare.com and disrupt some paradigms...

    28. Re:Well duh by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Decency, respect, you know the general things nearly everyone in the world does because people generally aren't arsehats. What kind of people do you surround yourself with that gives you a differing opinion?

    29. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just skip the middleman and give them a code red on the spot.

    30. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A quiet evening with his girlfriend. Attending a party nearby. A myriad of other potential uses.

    31. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great I have vermin in the garage and I'd love to borrow a cat for a couple of days!

    32. Re:Well duh by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Because you can make good money? A large number of people rent out their houses in Augusta, GA, during the Masters golf tournament. They take a vacation somewhere else, fully financed by the renters, and they don’t have to deal with traffic and crowding. Of course, those are mostly middle-aged golf fans, not 20-somethings, so you wouldn’t expect much worse than some spilled whisky.

    33. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they need the cash because they bought a very nice house they couldn't afford. Happened all the time not too long ago, though most of them have lost their homes by now.

    34. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They develop a sudden case of bone spurs and are discharged after learning nothing.

    35. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Decency, respect, you know the general things nearly everyone in the world does because people generally aren't arsehats. What kind of people do you surround yourself with that gives you a differing opinion?

      You dont get out much do you? Most people are generally self-obsessed, self-important assholes with no respect for anyone or anything. The Internet has taught them that their little snowflake opinion is always valid because there's an echo chamber for everyone.

      Gone are the days where everyone knew everyone else in the community and people behaved civilly as a result.

      These days people do whatever they want with no regard for anyone else. Driving is the best place to see that; look at how many people drive dangerously aggressively, speeding, lane straddling, cutting off, tailgating, etc.

    36. Re:Well duh by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      Not just to a total stranger. To a 20 year old on New Year's Eve. What did you think he wanted the property for?

      A quiet evening with his girlfriend. Attending a party nearby. A myriad of other potential uses.

      Have you met a 20 year old? 20 year-olds that want a quiet place to diddle their girlfriend or crash after a party don't rent a mansion.

    37. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, all people who list on AirBnB should be conscripted.

  5. negative reviews by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In a world where everyone reviews everyone, airbnb type places are a lot less likely to have negative reviews. It's not worth giving a negative review and getting negative effects in the future. So you start getting reviews like this:

    "It was a great experience. I enjoyed looking at the interesting patterns the mold made on the bathroom tiles. Five stars."

    Another thing: for a while, Agoda would ask you to rate a place, and if you didn't put five stars, would ask, "What was wrong with this place?" As a result, it was easier to just not review, unless you wanted to give them five stars.

    Lately I've stopped looking at hotel reviews at all, and just sorting by cleanliness rating. If it doesn't get a top clean rating, it's probably not worth visiting.

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  6. Young Americans are the last people I'd ever trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they are self-entitled and have no respect for anything or anyone. A product of a culture and society in decline.

  7. stupid by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stupid person did a stupid thing and what everyone who is not an idiot expected after the first line happened.

    Seriously. A 20-something rents a house for one night on New Years Eve. If that didn't raise every red flag within 20 miles, I have no idea what it takes to telegraph you "something just might be a bit wrong here".

    I have a hard time believing this story is real. If it were told to me as the plot of a movie I would say it stretches the suspension of disbelief quite a lot.

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    1. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it. Aside from the fact that he said New Year's Day, not Eve, this kind of disaster is something not everybody sees coming from miles away.

      Read this and weep. This one is worse, and it isn't some Internet rumor either; it was all over the news in the Netherlands for weeks.

    2. Re:stupid by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not all 20 years olds are criminal fuckwits.

      And, if your guests disregard parties being explicitly disallowed by rules they signed, and the party gets rowdy, what you expect is a few empty bottles in the garden, cigarette butts in a flowerpot and an used condom in the bedroom. Not a commercial enterprise that organizes the party and charges admission for entry.

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    3. Re:stupid by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not all 20 year olds are fuckwits. But anybody renting a large place on New Years for one night should raise a red flag. At least enough of one to do a drive by or two, particularly if you're just down the street at your mom's.

    4. Re:stupid by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      If it were told to me as the plot of a movie I would say it stretches the suspension of disbelief quite a lot.

      A 20-something rents a house for one night on New Years Eve. ... I have no idea what it takes to telegraph you "something just might be a bit wrong here".

      No kidding -- just that short description sounds like a risky business.

    5. Re:stupid by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Combine the renter's age, the size of the place, and the day of the year, and holy fuck that's all red flags. It wasn't a guy who just needed a bed to crash in after going out, or a room for a shag if he got lucky. A kid in his early 20s rented a whole fucking house on NYE. FFS, I wouldn't rent a 50 yr old a whole damn house on NYE if I wasn't ok with a giant party there!

      And as you noted, he got paid in spades for his criminal negligence for being all of 10 minutes away and not doing at least a couple of drive-bys, and cancelling that rental and calling the cops as soon as there were 3 cars in the driveway. Not looking on social media for a party at that address was also stupid.

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    6. Re:stupid by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Not all 20 years olds are criminal fuckwits.

      Yeah, but the ones who aren't are a lot less likely to want to rent a house for one night on New Year's Eve.

    7. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not looking on social media for a party at that address was also stupid.

      No, that was ignorant, not stupid. After reading this thread it becomes obvious, but only after seeing what someone has gone through and the discussion that it sparked. That said, Airbnb might be responsible for allowing that ignorance to exist if they're not explaining the risks properly to the owners. They should know what kinds of damages are occurring after all.

    8. Re:stupid by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

      The story is fake. I've done a few searches for this online now, and found nothing. With so many people participating, there would be something still available on the internets, even taken the time since it happened into consideration. There was no address or anything in the article either, not even the city.

    9. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The story is fake. I've done a few searches for this online now, and found nothing.

      Maybe you just suck at Google.

      http://www.news12.com/story/37207808/airbnb-rental-damaged-by-new-years-revelers-owner-says

    10. Re:stupid by tempo36 · · Score: 1
    11. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all 20 years olds are criminal fuckwits.

      Yes, but a substantial minority of them are or at least they sometimes act like that. The control and judgement mechanisms of the human brain are not thought to be fully developed until around age 25 or so. Anybody below that age must therefore be regarded as suspect before trusting them with big ticket items like your home, especially when they're strangers and random people on AirBnB are strangers. You don't really know these people.

    12. Re: stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that News12 is an impostor news site. Used to be called a fake news site, but people started applying that term to individual stories, not the entire site.

    13. Re: stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, FFS, try here:

      https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/rockland/2018/01/05/airbnb-nightmare-new-years-eve-party/1007220001/

      "South Nyack-Grand View Police Chief Brent Newbury said Friday that he doubts the village law prohibiting bed and breakfasts extended to Airbnb because the rentals are not a business, strictly speaking."

      "Newbury said his officers closed down the party based on noise complaints. He confirmed his officers reviewed the video provided by Feinberg and it reflected what went on in the house."

      "A police report states more than 300 people were inside the house and more than 100 vehicles were parked on the east and west sides of River Road. Orangetown police responded with South Nyack-Grand View officers."

      You wanna keep playing armchair fact-checker, that should be enough to get you started.

    14. Re:stupid by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

      Well, that's just another case of Google being selective about the results. I get different search results at home, at work, and other people's houses. It's so inconsistent and this really makes me think it is becoming too biased to be useful anymore.

    15. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still couldn't find it Googling from 3 different places? I think I know what the problem is.

    16. Re: stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which raises the question: why is this story posted now, almost a year after the event? Slow news day?
      And is this really"news for nerds, stuff that matters"? I miss the old Slashdot.

    17. Re:stupid by guruevi · · Score: 1

      There's a big difference between a teenager inviting some kids over for a party and it goes wrong than one adult renting out his entire mansion on New Year's Day.

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    18. Re: stupid by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      And, if your guests disregard parties being explicitly disallowed by rules they signed

      It makes zero sense to rent out a house for New Years Eve and disallow parties. If you donâ(TM)t want parties thatâ(TM)s fine but then you shouldnâ(TM)t be renting your house out on New Years Eve because NO ONE rents a house for New Years Eve and then doesnâ(TM)t have a party.

    19. Re:stupid by Tom · · Score: 1

      Not all 20 years olds are criminal fuckwits.

      No, but if you add "big house", "one night" and "New Years Eve" then that together is a big red flag right there.

      I mean, come on, tell me a story involving all four clues that does not involve a party.

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    20. Re: stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because NO ONE rents a house for New Years Eve and then doesn't have a party.

      I bet there were hundreds last NYE but you didn't hear about them because they weren't in the news.

    21. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, there weren't any red flags. Your brain just created them out of hindsight bias.

    22. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. A 20-something rents a house for one night on New Years Eve. If that didn't raise every red flag within 20 miles, I have no idea what it takes to telegraph you "something just might be a bit wrong here".

      There are like a gazillion 20-somethings that travels to attend some friends New Years Eve party and need some place to stay.
      Just because someone gets a place to stay over New Years Eve it doesn't mean that they intend to celebrate in that particular room.
      In fact, most people don't.

      You can model you life after the worst case scenario rather than the average case but I suspect that you don't because then you wouldn't be accessing the internet.

    23. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So use StartPage, DuckDuckGo, Yandex, anything but Google. There's more than one search engine out there, you know. The more privacy-focused ones give more consistent results because they're pulling results right from their search database and displaying them, rather than running them through your personal metadata as a final filter when collating the results.

    24. Re:stupid by tempo36 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm sure Google is the problem here.

      Try "air bnb new york new years party damaged" or "air bnb Nicko Feinberg" and tell me again how Google is too biased and inconsistent.

    25. Re:stupid by tempo36 · · Score: 1

      p.s. "Not even a city" you say? Might I point you to the first paragraph... "views of New York’s Hudson River". Now I know that's not a slam dunk because that's a long river, but when I put on my detective hat I tried "New York" in my search terms...TADA!

    26. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the second link (to abc7ny.com) starts out with a big "GRAND VIEW-ON-HUDSON, Rockland County (WABC)"

    27. Re:stupid by Tom · · Score: 1

      There are like a gazillion 20-somethings that travels to attend some friends New Years Eve party and need some place to stay.

      An entire house?

      I'm not 20 anymore, and I could afford to rent a house, but I wouldn't do it for one night. Especially when I spend most of the time at my friends party and only need a place to crash. Definitely some cozy appartment.

      Just because someone gets a place to stay over New Years Eve it doesn't mean that they intend to celebrate in that particular room.

      No, but if you put everything together, there are just too many red flags to not at least check once early in the night, especially when you are literally down the road.

      You can model you life after the worst case scenario rather than the average case but I suspect that you don't because then you wouldn't be accessing the internet.

      I model my life according to likely risks. That's a bit of professional bias (risk analysis is one of my topics), but it's also served me pretty well so far. Worst case is silly, I can always imagine something worse - but worst realistic case, that's not a bad thing to at least keep in mind.

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    28. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what happens when people don't watch enough classic '80s movies...

    29. Re:stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all 20 years olds are criminal fuckwits.

      This one certainly was. 1 review? What was he thinking?
      If I was going to do this I would have had at least 5 (under a different name) from the cheapest places I could find, paid for with prepaid Visa cards. Each time I'd go just long enough to see if anything needed cleaning then leave.
      Then when it comes time to hold a rager/professional party that "different name" should have some credibility.

      Luckily I'm an adult now and only hit airbnb to shoot really nasty porno. Worst review I have gotten was "There was some nutella or chocolate on my pillow case which washed right out, but the house was immaculate."

      Not all 20 years olds are criminal fuckwits.

      Revisiting this. Not ALL are. Some go to bed early on new years. Some go to prayer readings, some spend New Years feeding the homeless.
      Now you have a 20 year old who wants to rent your home for New Years.. Which kind of 20 year old do you bet this is? Do you bet they want to throw party of the year or host a book club meeting? How do you see the odds? 99% The want to permanently soak your place in booze and bodily fluids:1% The want to celebrate new years with their dying grand mother so for once in her life she can spend a night in a mansion? 99% They are planning things that would make a 90 year old Brazilian prostitute puke: 1% they just want to spend New Years away from the city lights so they can enjoy their new telescope?
      Having been a 20 year old I know where I put my money (Remember it was not a good party unless at least 3 police cars showed up. Personal record 8)

      Quite frankly I'm shocked that no one has set up an Airbnb prank channel on Youtube where they do things like rent places and fill them with livestock.
      Rent place and coat the entire interior with lube.
      Rent place and simply have it all professionally repainted in a different color to see if the owner notices.
      Rent place for a week and remove a whole floor or add one.
      Replace all toilets with drinking fountains. Use drinking fountains as toilets. Leave review mention problem with toilets.
      Cover every every square inch of the kitchen with epoxied suction cup dildos.
      Put a sad clown painting on every wall.
      All shrubs sculpted into genital shapes.
      Stereo and speakers hidden inside walls the whole house just has "never going to give you up" on loop.
      Toilets filled with concrete.
      Wall sized printer used to goatse all the inside walls.
      Steal every doorknob.
      All toilet paper unrolled and last 7 yards are coated with itching powder before rolling back up.
      Fill swimming pool with orbeez/jello/freshwater and trout/etc.
      Put 2 lbs of raw hamburger in their water heater.
      bloody chalk outlines on floor.
      Make a life sized Waldo and hide it in their house and wait for them to find it.
      Coat dead fish with paraffin and hide them all around the house.
      Epoxy all their furniture to the floor (or ceiling).
      Surprise visit from the DEA, where did these drugs come from?
      Add an extra matching chair to their living room.
      Make all their furniture 2 inches shorter.

      Why doesn't the mob or serial killers use airbnb to hide bodies? Rent a place for a week and the concrete on the basement floor will have been set by then.

    30. Re:stupid by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      Not going to lie, a few of those ideas made me laugh. I'm not much for the full on asshole ones, Toilets filled with concrete, Coat dead fish with paraffin and hide them all around the house, Surprise visit from the DEA, where did these drugs come from, etc. But the passive aggressive ones are amazing... Make all their furniture 2 inches shorter, have it all professionally repainted in a different color to see if the owner notice, Make a life sized Waldo and hide it in their house and wait for them to find it.

  8. Trust, but verify by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    A couple of wifi-enabled cameras in front of the house could be used to mitigate renter abuse.

    Reading this earlier, it appears he received an undisclosed sum from Airbnb for damages.

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    1. Re:Trust, but verify by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is victim blaming.

    2. Re:Trust, but verify by o_ferguson · · Score: 1

      truth

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    3. Re:Trust, but verify by toejam13 · · Score: 1

      One of the responsibilities of having a rental property is ensuring proper usage. The people in the article completely failed in that regard. They could have driven by the house, they could have asked a trusted neighbor to watch for trouble, or they could have installed remote cameras. It appears that none of that happened.

      Another responsibility is having the correct liability insurance to cover situations which are more difficult to notice. While ABnB does offer some level of protection, I've read enough stories to know that it is usually insufficient. I'd want a policy that would cover anything ABnB did not.

    4. Re:Trust, but verify by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the gig economy is making poor and even middle class people do things they would not normally do. the fact that uber/etc make you use your own car, your own insurance and you are NOT using commercial type, but personal type, which limits what you are supposed to be able to do or claim.

      the gig econ puts the cost of business on YOU. the risk on YOU.

      this is fucked up. but, well, the top percent that own everything are laughing so hard at us all, just trying to make ends meet.

      when do the pitchforks and fires come out, again? we're getting to that point. the gig econ is just a stepping stone to that, no doubt about it.

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    5. Re:Trust, but verify by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I just moved, and the insurance company made sure to ask me whether I'd ever be renting out my new place with AirBnB or the like. Unless he specifically told his insurance company he'd be renting it out, chances are his household insurance is void. He should count himself lucky they didn't burn it down. Or burn down the neighbours'.

    6. Re: Trust, but verify by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laughing, wanking, making racist jokes..
      If things get real bad, and there will be plenty of indicators and time as people now are very slow to revolt, the escape jet is at the ready

    7. Re:Trust, but verify by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      God forbid anyone take the slightest amount of personal responsibility for their own well being.

  9. You've got to vet your guests properly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A 23 year-old male with 1 review? On New Year's Eve?

    How about using some common sense. You would have to expect some problems with a 1 night rental on New Year's Eve, although I'm not suggesting that the homeowner deserved what happened.

  10. No respect anymore, people think it's funny by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

    I grew up in a different time. I'm sure things like this occurred infrequently. Nowadays people film bad behavior for laughs and share with their friends, each trying to be more outrageous. There seems to be little morality anymore, it's all selfishness and laughing at someone whom you've screwed over.

    It really makes me depressed thinking about the future. It's like Clockwork Orange is being mimicked by the mainstream. How incredibly sad.

    1. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by toejam13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree. These sorts of people have always been around. The difference is that back in the day, the level of reporting was much lower so you probably never heard about it. I suspect that the old "boys will be boys" mentality probably resulted in more people looking the other way, too.

      Our history is defined by people being assholes. There are just more cameras around to catch it now.

    2. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Harvey+Manfrenjenson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Indeed. The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

    3. Re: No respect anymore, people think it's funny by foobar666 · · Score: 2

      I know I got up to a lot in my youth. I've also heard the stories from my father and his friends. The main difference now is that it's all recorded and then either published online on social media or (rarely!) just shared privately. If anything kids are far more restrained now: they know they're being watched.

    4. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True as far as it goes. However besides the "more cameras around to catch it now" bit it is also a lot easier to do now. I mean how would that 23 year old sociopath going to get his hands on that "mansion" before things like AirBnB? Way back it was your parent's house. And some "friend" convinced you to have "a few people" over when your parents were away. Meanwhile that "friend" was selling tickets. Now you can do it to someone you've never heard of in a town where you don't even live. It seems to be easier to get out of any repercussions too based on some other stories of this happening to folks in various cities.

    5. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In case someone doesn't recognize that: https://www.bartleby.com/73/195.html

    6. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's all selfishness

      Aye - like renting out your house for 1 night for very large sums of money rather than using it as a home which is what it is zoned for. "It's all selfishness" said the neighbors who had to put up with a fucking all-night party while the owners made thousands. "It's all selfishness" said the cops who had to turn up to deal with said party because the owners fucked off and let the authorities deal with it.

      Selfishness is a two way street - and the selfish owners got exactly what they deserved. Airbnb, uber, it is all selfish fucks racing to the bottom. Fuck the lot of them. Fuck them - they want the money but not the responsibilities that come with it.

    7. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got that reference.

    8. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by xlsior · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

      And for those who didn't know the reference: The above is ancient quote attributed to Socrates (469-399 B.C.)

      The more things change, the more they stay the same...

    9. Re: No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, 200 years ago, I had to hire an artist to draw every frame of the Worldstar video I wanted to put online (on-line being the Pony Express), so people could view them on their zoetropes. People are dicks and quick to violence now just as they were back then.

    10. Re: No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn those comic books, rock 'n roll records, and pinball machines for turning our youth into hoodlums!

    11. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      And for those who didn't know the reference: The above is ancient quote attributed to Socrates (469-399 B.C.)

      Debunked as ancient:

      https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

    12. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more things change, the more they stay the same...

      nihil sub sole novum

    13. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      That's funny because even before I finished reading your post I was thinking you sounded like that old bum from A Clockwork Orange.

      It's a stinking world because there's no law and order anymore! It's a stinking world because it lets the young get on to the old, like you done. Oh, it's no world for an old man any longer. What sort of a world is it at all? Men on the moon, and men spinning around the earth, and there's not no attention paid to earthly law and order no more.

    14. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, no. People have always been shitheads.

    15. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You think that's bad you should see adults. They generalise, vilify and these days are not worthy of respect.

    16. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Agree. We find out of these things now because of the internet and everyone feeling that their story needs to be told.

      A neighbor of mine let a friend's son stay over the summer. One weekend when the neighbor and his family were out of town, the kid invited ~30 people over and thrashed the place. (Another neighbor was watching the place and let the owners know that night.)

      Didn't make the papers. The kid was kicked out and his parents were informed (and presumably paid to have the place professionally cleaned).

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    17. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This quote is thrown around as if it proves that the kids are alright. In fact, the kids were frequently NOT alright and whole civilizations have suffered or even failed for it.

    18. Re: No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who missed the reference, this is a quote from Socrates.

    19. Re: No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > For those who missed the reference, this is a quote from Socrates.

      It's a bogus quote, and you really ought to read the whole thread before replying to a post.

    20. Re:No respect anymore, people think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, no. People have always been shitheads.

      Yeah but no but - Now shitheads all over the world encourage other shitheads all over the world to be bigger shitheads.

  11. Or neighbor... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I was a little surprised the guy did not have a neighbor that called him up, if I were renting a place out I'd let the houses on either side know and give them my number to let me know if anything seems strange...

    As you say, some kind of precautions would have been warranted, especially around NYE.

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    1. Re:Or neighbor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      plot twist: the neighbors were at the party.

    2. Re:Or neighbor... by sentiblue · · Score: 1

      Actually that won't work...

      The social media post says "Mansion Party" meaning this house is frigging huge and it's closest neighbor is probably far enough to not hear/see any unusual things. Plus in rich neighborhoods, people don't really socialize. They keep to themselves pretty much and they probably call the cops when you try knocking on their doors.

    3. Re:Or neighbor... by Shados · · Score: 1

      if I were renting a place out I'd let the houses on either side know and give them my number to let me know if anything seems strange

      The houses on either side are likely FURIOUS that this is happening and just waiting for proofs to report them 16 ways over. AirBNB neighbors don't exactly make the best friends.

    4. Re:Or neighbor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Mansion" in quotes. It's a 2000 sq. ft. house.

    5. Re:Or neighbor... by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      For varying definitions of "frigging huge". Rich neighborhoods WILL notice if suddenly one of their neighbors turns their house into Grand Central Station and the street starts filling up with cars.

      But if the houses are so friggin' huge that the driveways are a mile apart then maybe they won't be too quick to notice. Can you fire a gun off your back porch and not have to worry about hitting your neighbor? If not, maybe your estate isn't big enough to host an impromptu party with hundreds of people.

    6. Re:Or neighbor... by baegucb · · Score: 1

      I think this is the house: https://www.google.com/maps/pl...

      The news story had the name of the owner, and zabasearch came up with that address.

      Oh and for some of the previous posters, this was New Years day, not New Years eve.

    7. Re:Or neighbor... by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. That's an interesting looking neighborhood. Those are some narrow roads.

  12. change him like an rent a car place say the by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    change him like an rent a car place say the full cost of the house (best list price of an smaller one in your area - the sell it now income) + lost of use say $300-$400 a day (to cover meals + a high end hotel)

    1. Re:change him like an rent a car place say the by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He declares bankruptcy, because few people could ever be able to afford anything even approaching that over their lifetime, and then you lose it all anyway. And you can't seek any further remedy as you already have your "win" in court.

      Agree that you should charge the perpetrator and seek further action against them, but he took Airbnb's offer so that's a no-go.

      Public liability insurance exists because no one person could ever operate under such a system of fines. But neither the guy who rented, or the one renting out, had that, it seems. Airbnb's insurance no doubt paid out, but only on private terms outside of court.

    2. Re:change him like an rent a car place say the by jason777 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and I bet home owners doesnt cover renting like this.

  13. Iron law of race in media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the the article doesn't mention race they are black.

  14. It's on Airbnb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you know how to tell if someone doesn't give a shit about their place or their neighbours? It's on Airbnb.

  15. Airbnb requires mandatory binding arbitration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While he won't disclose what Airbnb paid him for the damage

    He's probably not allowed to, per the typical clause in arbitration agreements that all decisions and remedies are kept secret, away from the disinfecting power of sunshine and transparency.

  16. POC (proof of concept) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When folks do this, it wouldn't be a hard jump to think the kid's thought process could have been... This guy has money, is not living here and clearly has insurance. It is possible he didn't think that this was that big of a deal. In the end, it wasn't a big deal. Some bureaucrats had paperwork to do, and eventually some business was transacted locally to get things fixed.

    I'd argue that it would be good if American's let their puritanity down occasionally, and let this stuff be done in public without all sorts of crazy rules and regulations.

    Examples of crazy rules. Once you leave times square on new years eve, even 9 hours later, you can't get back in, so you piss on the ground. All parks closed after dark 24/7/365, yet we're going to change the time in the middle of the darkest months to make them closed even earlier in the day. Roads are for cars only, to drive at or near the speed limit,so that when there is an occasional car, the people that live there better be the ones to yield to a wild driver or risk persecution. Parks shouldn't have bathrooms, because people that don't have homes might look for shelter.

    1. Re:POC (proof of concept) by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Though I agree in principle, there are a reason for (most) such rules.

      Your park one - the alternative is that even when you provide tons of homeless shelters at great expense, people still seek places away from authority. Fuck using a bathroom in a park late at night on my own when it's being used by homeless and those thrown out of the shelters.

      Most countries have "the pedestrian has right-of-way" because pedestrians can't avoid a 60mph car, but a 60mph car can avoid a pedestrian. Daylight savings - agree, it's a nonsense. New Year's - no idea if that's the rule but if so it seems likely there's a reason for that. Catering bathrooms for 1,000,000 people on a one-off event is a big deal. Try it. Honestly. It's hard even for 1000 people, especially if there's an "event" where they all want the bathroom at the same time - seriously, marshal even a small-town event and see what happens. Just handling 1,000,000 people ANYWHERE doing ANYTHING is a nightmare. That's why there are rules about how and when that number of people can meet and organise such events.

      It's nothing to do with people wanting to make up stupid rules. It's to do with people all wanting to do something "quite simple" for themselves, that actually has a huge number of serious knock-on consequences that they never have to consider, and they care only about the self.

    2. Re:POC (proof of concept) by PPH · · Score: 1

      Roads are for cars only, to drive at or near the speed limit,

      We get it. You don't like to live by rules. Neither do I. Particularly the one against running over drunks wandering in the middle of the street. But hey, we all have to compromise to sustain social order.

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    3. Re:POC (proof of concept) by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Drunk skulls make dents as well as sober skulls. The rules are there to protect everybody.

    4. Re:POC (proof of concept) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. All I wanted was to someone agree in principal. A night off would be nice, wouldn't it? If only google would route people onto the highway, maybe I wouldn't have such a car bias.

      I'll just consider myself one of the minorities when it comes to my views and how the statistics view me.

      You know what always amazes me? If you put all of my viewpoints together, I'm in the majority. When you look at my individual views, I'm an outlier. I'm not sure I'm alone in that.

    5. Re:POC (proof of concept) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drunk skulls make dents as well as sober skulls.

      Not so much. Particularly if you've installed protection against Idaho Stops.

    6. Re:POC (proof of concept) by PPH · · Score: 2

      because pedestrians can't avoid a 60mph car, but a 60mph car can avoid a pedestrian

      You've got that backwards. A pedestrian can stop in one step, about 2 feet. A 60 MPH car stops in about 120 feet. If that doesn't make sense, compare the stopping distance of a car and a train. Probably a similar disparity. Who gets the right of way?

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    7. Re:POC (proof of concept) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most countries have "the pedestrian has right-of-way" because pedestrians can't avoid a 60mph car, but a 60mph car can avoid a pedestrian.

      Yeah, try that in Boston. A 0mph car can't do squat to avoid pedestrians practically throwing themselves at the car. Seriously, they'll literally run into your bumper before you can even move an inch. Even deer have learned not to run out in front of cars (and they're more likely to use sidewalks and crosswalks).

  17. This happened to a friend... by jtara · · Score: 1

    ... though not as bad as in the linked article.

    Never rent out for a "model shoot", etc.

    It was supposed to be some sort of a photo shoot for some MMA personality.

    It turned out to be a big party and porno shoot. There was a rape reported by the neighbors.

    They ruined the pool table felt.

    At least the Roomba captured about a pound of weed.

    1. Re:This happened to a friend... by PPH · · Score: 2

      It turned out to be a big party and porno shoot.

      Always wondered about that. Back in the 'old days', porn shoots looked like they were done in Motel 6. After the 2008 recession, lots of porn looked like it was being made in high end, well furnished properties*. I guess it was one way for the formerly rich people to make the mortgage.

      *Sometimes, I'd be watching a scene and hoping that the actors would get their fat asses out of the way so I could get a better look at the architecture.

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    2. Re:This happened to a friend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the house was spec built and never sold. Or it'S a rental only property. Lots of nice mansions and sub-mansions in Malibu are in that market. $10k/week is a lot for mom, dad, and the kids taking vacation, but not so high for a corporate event in nice surroundings, or a movie shoot.

    3. Re: This happened to a friend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if rich people need to be going broke to shoot a porn at they crib.

    4. Re:This happened to a friend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least the Roomba captured about a pound of weed.

      There is some weed you just don't want.

      I know. I found a bag of weed in the parking lot of an adult video store in Dallas once. I was pretty desperate for weed at the time, but it was terrible.

    5. Re:This happened to a friend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      p>*Sometimes, I'd be watching a scene and hoping that the actors would get their fat asses out of the way so I could get a better look at the architecture.

      Well shit. At least I'm not the only one to ever think that.

    6. Re:This happened to a friend... by jtara · · Score: 2

      Always wondered about that. Back in the 'old days', porn shoots looked like they were done in Motel 6. After the 2008 recession, lots of porn looked like it was being made in high end, well furnished properties

      Dead give-away that it's shot in an AirBnB (the kind that is not somebody's actual home) would be the "artwork" from HomeGoods. Stupid, inspirational phrases in the cheapest possible frames.

      My friend shops at AmVets for artwork. Cheaper than HomeGoods, and actual art, or at least nicely-framed reproduction prints.

      The bad thing about that incident is it WAS in my friend's actual home. He vacates from time to time if he gets a bite from a "whale". It's set up for that - everything personal gets locked in his bedroom (separate entrance) behind a cool pivoting mirror wall.

      He also decided to turn a 3-bedroom into a 2-bedroom, locking one bedroom off. At least for weekend-only guests. 3 bedrooms are trouble. The say they need a bedroom for the kids, and the third bedroom for Uncle Phil. But it's the whole extended family, or else all of the college buddies, packed 4 to a room plus the living room.

  18. Re: Young Americans are the last people I'd ever t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a twat

  19. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I let random strangers that I didn't know stay in my house unaccompanied and unsupervised and it got trashed".

    News at 11.

    Honestly, no matter WHAT the rules for Airbnb may or may not be, why on earth would you be stupid enough to do that? If someone "random" asked to borrow your car for one night, would you let them? Would you let them if it was a sportscar? But you'll let them do it with a house worth what? 10 times as much?

    20-something pays a minimal fee to use your house for one night over New Year's... bad enough. With a single review? Just what the hell were you thinking?

    This is nothing to do with Airbnb per se, it's just bog-standard stupidity. And I bet it's not covered under any of your home insurance policies - for good reason. Airbnb probably aren't even obliged to do anything either... they just choose to do so to as a goodwill gesture to limit the bad press.

    Honestly, some people are so stupid it defies belief.

    The whole idea of Airbnb is a stupid concept in the first place, though I'm sure profitable when it does work. When it goes wrong, seriously, what did you expect?

    If nothing else, a ten second Google will show you things like people Airbnb'ing and turning places into brothels and drug-dens, by comparison a party is the low-end of the scale. Not to mention that they have access to your address for the period of time they are Airbnb'ing... they could be doing all sorts with that kind of access - I could destroy your credit rating in a week in my country by getting access to things addressed to me at your mail address.

    I wouldn't even trust a 20-something who might be my own son to have a place "just for New Year's" without making sure they couldn't have a party without my knowledge. Let alone a random stranger.

    You learned a lesson that most people never have to learn because they're just not that thick.

    Either rent out your place, with a full rental agreement, deposit, month's-rent-in-advance, insurance and all the legal trimmings that come with that, or don't. Short-term rental based on an app EULA is the most ridiculous thing ever and you only need one bad incident to wipe out an entire lifetime's profit doing it.

    1. Re:Sigh. by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

      Airbnb probably aren't even obliged to do anything either... they just choose to do so to as a goodwill gesture to limit the bad press.

      "Airbnb Host Guarantee program". Most of these apps have secondary insurance.

    2. Re: Sigh. by kurkosdr · · Score: 1

      If you live in the same building as the property rented on AirBnB you can keep an eye on your AirBnB guests so it's not as crazy as it sounds. About renting your car out to total strangers, that's the Turo app, and it IS as crazy as it sounds.

    3. Re:Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 2

      "What is the Airbnb Host Guarantee?" (text theirs, highlights mine)

      The Airbnb Host Guarantee provides protection for ***up to*** $1,000,000 to a host for damages to covered property in the rare event of guest damages ***above the security deposit or if no security deposit is in place***.

      The Host Guarantee Programme **doesn't cover cash and securities, collectibles, rare artwork, jewellery, pets or personal liability***. We recommend that hosts secure or remove valuables when renting their place. The programme also doesn't cover loss or damage to property due to wear and tear.

      The Host Guarantee Programme ***isn't insurance and doesn't replace your homeowners or renters insurance***. Make sure you review and understand the terms of your insurance policy and what it covers and doesn't cover. ***Not all insurance will cover damage or loss to property caused by a guest renting your space.*** Filing a host guarantee request doesn't preclude a guest from financial responsibility for the damages claimed if Airbnb determines a guest was at fault.

      Learn more about the Host Guarantee at: airbnb.com/guarantee.

      It's a third-party contract, not insurance, and Airbnb can selectively enforce an awful lot of things in that "legal document" to basically pay out zero any time it feels it wants to.

    4. Re: Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a nightmare situation that most likely happened, at least in part:

        AirBnB homeowner comes home, and is hit with the stench of strong chemical smells-looks like the house has been turned into a meth lab. The owner opens the door and gets hit with the vapors head on. ooof! As he is wheezing and choking, he can tell at a glance that everything of value has been stripped out, there is gang graffiti covering nearly every interior surface, even the floors and ceilings, and...wait, IS THAT A DEAD BODY ON THE FLOOR?! The homeowner drops a brick in his shorts when he comes to the realization that the house is too contaminated to ever be cleaned up and livable and the city will come and tear it down. With his heart in his stomach, the homeowner, about to vomit from both the fumes and the knowledge he is about to be homeless, tries to get back to his car, when a gangbanger with a big scary assault rifle pops out the front door and screams [gangster words of choice, ending with "motherfucker"]. ::::GULP!::::

    5. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole idea of Airbnb is a stupid concept in the first place

      It's stupid if you take Airbnb's stated business concept, which is homes rented out to "guests" by their private owners as if everyone is their "friend", at face value. Of course, that's a lie and everyone who's intelligent recognizes that it's bullshit. The reason Airbnb doesn't reveal their true business plan is the same reason that almost no American business tells the truth anymore. In a world of lawyers and lawsuits, plausibly deniable lies are self preservation. What is the real business plan of Airbnb? Simple. They want to make it as convenient and easy as possible for landlords to rent out party houses on a weekly basis without any of the duties, costs or responsibilities of being a hotel owner. These types of landlords don't care if neighbors get pissed off or the house gets run down as long as it remains rentable for short term guests who want to make noise, party and then leave quickly. Airbnb is for scammers looking for a quick buck. Anybody who really wanted to enter the professional hospitality business wouldn't be wasting their time with Airbnb.

    6. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, Walter White should have thought of this.

    7. Re:Sigh. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Honestly, no matter WHAT the rules for Airbnb may or may not be, why on earth would you be stupid enough to do that?

      You do realise that there are literally hundreds of thousands of these kinds of transactions every day that work out just fine for all involved right?

    8. Re:Sigh. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      If someone "random" asked to borrow your car for one night, would you let them? Would you let them if it was a sportscar?

      There is a startup based on AirBnB'ing your car. And it has a specific rental area for sports cars (I think Tesla S or better).

      So, the answer is yes.

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  20. And that one, terrific review was ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    It was from a young man, probably in his early 20s. He had one review but it was terrific....

    ... probably from his mom.

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    1. Re:And that one, terrific review was ... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      One "terrific" review - I don't do AirBNB, but I do know to avoid Amazon products with one five-star review.

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    2. Re: And that one, terrific review was ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Splotcho brushes are the best brushes on the market! They straighten and groom my hair like magic, and the build quality is second to none! I give it 5 Amazon stars!

        Now if you excuse me, a nice heavy briefcase was just handed to me, and I got big plans for tonight......

  21. "stayed down the road" by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The summary says the owner "stayed down the road at my mother's apartment". If I were renting out my house on New Year's Eve, and I was just down the road, I would probably drive by once or twice myself.

  22. What's the "nerd" angle here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares about some idiots who have a disagreement?

    Fuck, is Slashdot going to cover every small quarrel in every Dumbfuck, USA?

  23. "That happened" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like it how Slashdot is now publishing New Years "news" three days in advance.

  24. 300? by renegade600 · · Score: 1

    Don't know that many houses that can hold 300 people or was this a mansion?

    1. Re:300? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even your mom's basement can.

      But they are the pretty, skinny people you only see in pictures.

      Whales like yourself never get invited to those parties.

    2. Re:300? by evil_aaronm · · Score: 1
      Near the bottom in the summary:

      I found an image online of the invite that said, "Mansion Party" with my address.

    3. Re:300? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You read the whole summary??

      Hand your geek card in at reception when you leave, sir.

    4. Re:300? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2000 sq ft home with 4 bedrooms. Not a mansion, but false advertising.

  25. Shocking! by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    OK, that's not quite the word I was searching for..., ph, right, PREDICTABLE.

          Of course this is what they did, they got it because they could trash it an walk away. Don't want you stuff to get broken? Then don't rent it to strangers.

    1. Re: Shocking! by edris90 · · Score: 1

      If you monetize your personal belongings that should be no surprise when it cost you everything. There's a reason why you keep personal assets and business assets separately. Because business assets are always at risk due to the unpredictable nature of people and events influenced by them. if you're not planning on your business at some point going belly-up and insulating your personal assets from that then you are creating your own downfall.

  26. New holiday rental policy by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    For nights like New Year's Eve, the deposit will be like in the "rent a helicopter" scene in the film "Clear and Present Danger":

    Jack Ryan: I’m here to rent the Huey.
    Helicopter owner: We don’t rent it anymore, but it is for sale.
    Jack Ryan: How much?
    Helicopter owner: Two million dollars.
    Jack Ryan: Uh, my pilot and I will have to take it for a test drive.
    Helicopter owner: Of course, you just have to leave a deposit.
    Jack Ryan: How much is that?
    Helicopter owner: Two million dollars.

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    1. Re: New holiday rental policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much to walk around it and admire it?

  27. Just down the road? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A 20-year old rents your house for New Years, and you are just down the road and didn't think to do a drive-by???

    1. Re:Just down the road? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He ain no tru blaq thuggg yah! (KING!)
      He laws abiddin Y boi.

      2 scad 2 do a drive by!!111

      *In the past the soul-less white bois were slaves to the true Human/god hybrids.

  28. Well by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At least AirBnB stood behind the homeowner is making good on what its idiot customer did. I would have expected AirBnB to hide behind some nebulous legal language and walk away from this scot-free. I guess I am jaded towards corporations and impressed that AirBnB took actions to try and make the entire situation right. Still, I never would use AirBnB offering accomodations.

    1. Re:Well by Lehk228 · · Score: 2

      air bnb has insurance to cover this kind of thing precisely because their entire existence depends on the supply of nice places to rent, if they let the owners roll in the shit, they won't be far behind and the shit won't as fresh when it's their turn

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    2. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AirBnB was just covering their own asses and wanted to avoid the bad press from allowing the dullard to hold the bag.

        There is no charity here.

    3. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how much they paid in this case, but in other cases the amount AirBnB paid was nowhere even close the the cost of repairing the damage.

  29. Taxes.... by foobar666 · · Score: 1

    I wonder... Did this person report their AirBnB income on their tax return...

  30. Please Read and Comply by mentil · · Score: 1

    The listing explicitly said no parties.

    Here's my wallet. No running off with it, now. *dust cloud heads off toward sunset*
    He'll be back aaaaany minute now...

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  31. That's what you get.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what you get for being stupid enough to rent YOUR OWN HOME via Air B'n'B. (or pretty much any other similar service.)

  32. Had it coming by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Sounds like this guy asked for it by opening an Air BnB. He's lucky if his neighbors didn't sue him.

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    1. Re:Had it coming by Shados · · Score: 2

      That's my biggest gripe with this. They did the AirBNB thing. Shit happened, but they knew the risks. Their neighbors however didn't ask for this, and if the area was zoned purely residential, a house used commercially shouldn't have happened. They had to deal with 300 random people parking outside and enough shit that the cops were called. All because someone got greedy and can't follow the rules.

      (If that kind of shit is allowed in their municipality, then the administration of the city needs to go to hell)

  33. Risky business by spinitch · · Score: 1

    Nearby and do not even swing by. Hook up a remote camera to watch who comes in and out. Watch the movie Prospect Heights ( Michael Keaton - renter). Get new toothbrushes.

  34. so... by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a good argument not to rent to anyone who doesn't have a reasonable minimum number of positive reviews.

  35. This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if you leave a justified lukewarm (neither positive or negative) review the other party will retaliate with a negative review. This is why I tend to not bother leaving non positive review. They could anonymize the reviews and disguise who left the review to encourage negative ones without retaliation but with anonymity the bigots will be embolden to mark down groups they dislike.

    1. Re: This by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Worse, if you leave a negative review, future homeowners could see them and decide not to rent with you because you are the type that leaves negative reviews. And that is an entirely rational thing for them to do.

      --
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    2. Re: This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending on the review that isn't the rational thing to do at all. A well kept place WANTS honest people that expect cleanliness as these are the people that will most likely treat your property well.

    3. Re: This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your mistake is thinking humans are rational actors.

    4. Re: This by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Is your goal to get people to treat your property well, or to get good reviews? It depends on how the system is set up.

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    5. Re: This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've obviously never done this. If you had, you'd know the reviews are not shared until after both parties have written their review. For that reason it is not possible to retaliate against a bad review.

    6. Re: This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, providing a good service that deserves a good review is such a hassle...

    7. Re:This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AirBnB hides reviews until both part wrote them. It allows reviewed parties to respond, but it's not possible to send a bad review as retaliation.

  36. My job is your punishment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sentenced to military conscription

  37. Re: Young Americans are the last people I'd ever t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mad bcz true

  38. Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait until this guy finds out people travel in excess of posted speed limits and buy illegal drugs.

  39. What an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't get an invite :(

  40. Really? Where's the pictures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Calling bullshit on this one.

  41. My kid just got done with a trip by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can see where she went and what she did based on the credit card receipts. She's a total milktoast. More than once she's remarked that it's only old folks where she goes, and I know she ain't lying because, again, I can see the admission fees and souvenirs on my credit card. I didn't even raise her this way. Doesn't help that she hasn't got much to rebel against (I'm kind of a loser, so the only "rebelling" she can do is not being a failure in life, also I'm pretty into death metal so there's not a whole hell of a lot of music she can "shock" me with. )

    Anyway, Not every 20 year old is a party animal. This one was pretty clearly running a professional party for money. Anyone could do that, not just a 20 year old. The real problem is that you put 300 folks in a building meant for 20 tops it warps the floors.

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    1. Re:My kid just got done with a trip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Warps the floors?
      What kind of shoddy construction are you using? In my country code requires that concrete floors in residential buildings have a minimum carrying capacity of 250kg/sq.m. It was lowered from 400kg/sq.m. several years ago. Yes, if you pack the place like a bus in rush hour you may exceed 250kg/sq.m. but it is pretty rare to do so.
      The code for commercial buildings require at minimum 1200kg/sq.m. carrying capacity.

    2. Re:My kid just got done with a trip by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Dead load: yes, live loads typically aren't that great to deal with, with people dancing, you could easily exceed even the 250kg/sqm You're talking about concrete (sub)floors, typically floors on other floors are constructed out of wood with metal beams or engineered wood as main supports (or lots of regular wood beams for older houses) that do warp and break if there is a lot of live load.

      We're also talking about a person renting out his McMansion - mansions are designed to look gaudy but are otherwise very poorly constructed to save on costs. The guy also had a hot tub, that's a lot of dead load already, about 500kg/sqm well exceeding design loads for a typical house.

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    3. Re: My kid just got done with a trip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is USA. All their houses were built by the first two little pigs and blow away if a wolf huffs at them.

    4. Re:My kid just got done with a trip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      she just knows how to fake it, gramps
      she's slinging cocaine

    5. Re:My kid just got done with a trip by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I can see where she went and what she did based on the credit card receipts.

      If your daughter is old enough to go places with a credit card but not smart enough to know to make transactions in cash when she doesn't want you to know about them, I'm sorry.

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  42. Bus experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use to drive a tour bus and the company had to get a $450 deposit along with full payment before any college group would get a bus. Almost every time, someone would get drunk and bust out a bus window. Young high school and college punks with alcohol are almost always going to become violent and destroy things.

  43. Movie plot that stretches disbelief by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    Weren't there two movies with this plot?

    One was called "Risky Business", and can anyone answer the name of the other one?

    Bueller? Bueller?

    1. Re:Movie plot that stretches disbelief by mfnickster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Weren't there two movies with this plot? One was called "Risky Business", and can anyone answer the name of the other one? Bueller? Bueller?

      The Cat in the Hat?

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    2. Re:Movie plot that stretches disbelief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not Bueller, that one was about getting OUT of the house.

    3. Re:Movie plot that stretches disbelief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Project X - you gota watch it.

      You can - free - on YT, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ-vrJ5zFGE

    4. Re:Movie plot that stretches disbelief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird Science, but they used magic to clean up everything before the parents got home.

    5. Re:Movie plot that stretches disbelief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some wag summed up the plot of Risky Business as "basically The Cat in the Hat, with whores." ^_^

  44. Re:Young Americans are the last people I'd ever tr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Young europeans aren't any better btw.. nor are other cultures, like the ones promoting tyranny and abuse of liberty. Also, don't forget the ones stuck in the 14th century.. At least in america, there are enough reasonable people left to keep princess types like hillary out of office.

  45. Could be worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...imagine your house being used as a meth lab, and then being condemned by the city because of all of the contamination.

    And no, I have no sympathy for AirBnB landlords. Suck it up, buttercup.

  46. Police involvement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the cops were really there they would have called for backup. Two cops versus 300 (assumably drunk) idiots is a no-win situation. Similarly, if there were really 100 cars parked outside, how in the hell big was his property? Claiming damages of $100,000 is a complete joke. Just like this story.

  47. "What's the worst that can happen?" by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

    Q: "What's the worst that can happen?"

    A: Not thinking through the question of what's the worst that can happen.

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  48. But why? by helpfulcorn · · Score: 1

    I get the logic of "of course this could happen", but why would someone with a mansion go stay at their mother's apartment to rent it out? If they need the extra money, why don't they sell the damn house and buy something smaller? I figured most people who rented out mansions on there had multiple homes or an apartment in another part of the city for whatever reason, but it seems rather inconvenient to oneself to do this, and clearly quite costly if it goes wrong.

    1. Re:But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a 2000 sq. ft. house, not a mansion, despite what the party organizers might have advertized.

    2. Re:But why? by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      It's probably because it isn't really a home he can afford. If I had a mansion and needed a little extra money and my mother had an apartment down the street, why wouldn't I just give my mother one of my spare bedrooms and rent her apartment out to someone else?

      Say what you will about living under the same roof as your parents when you're an adult, but at least if you're going to do that shouldn't you invite them to stay with you in your nicer house rather than renting out your house to some stranger and being a burden on your parents?

  49. Re:Young Americans are the last people I'd ever tr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha! Like Trump isn't a "princess type"?

  50. Russian roulette by bagofbeans · · Score: 1

    Instead on one cartridge in a 6-shot revolver, let's offer a single cartridge in a Glock 17 with a 17 round magazine!

    1. Re:Russian roulette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Round. Revolvers use rounds, not cartridges.

    2. Re:Russian roulette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Round. Revolvers use rounds, not cartridges.

      Same thing.

      cartridge: the assembly consisting of a bullet, gunpowder, shell casing, and primer. When counting, it is referred to as a 'round'.

      round: a single cartridge.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_firearms_terms

    3. Re:Russian roulette by Shaiku · · Score: 1

      Round and cartridge are synonyms. A revolver and a Glock in the same caliber are both going to use cartridge style ammunition, often called rounds. You're thinking of bullet and cartridge/round which people always mix up.

  51. Wondering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm wondering if this is one of those situations where someone throws a party intending to have 10 or 15 people over and it turns into the "Party of the Year" that everyone at the high school talks about for years afterwards. The renter may have not intended for it to get so out of hand. Whoops!

  52. You got what you deserved dumb ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no sympathy for this douchenozzle. When you turn your home over to a perfect stranger there's always risk. If you don't want the risk don't play the game. I think homeowners insurance companies and Airbnb should just be honest about the risk here. If you don't want the risk don't let strangers have access to your home. Simple as that.

    Personally the whole idea of Airbnb is stupid to me both a s a property owner and a potential renter. As a property owner you are trusting people not to turn your house into a meth lab and trusting them not to do stupid shit. That's unacceptable risk to me. As a renter you are staying in someone's home and they could on a whim come back and invade your privacy or worse toss you out. Not to mention dealing with nosy neighbors who want to call the cops because you happen to be black or don't fit in to the community you are renting in.

    Airbnb of course wants to protect their business model where they just pair idiots together for their own horror shows. I still can't comprehend why this is still legal on a home owners policy other than the fact that the insurance and financial industries both are still in the stone ages with half of their business pushing paperwork around.

  53. Re: Sentenced to Military Conscription by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With $100,000 in damage, and given how poorly the military pays (given expenses), he'd be in it for the rest of his life (like everyone else in the military).

    I think the military teaches respect for the military, and no one else. How much respect can you have for the people you're invading, shooting at, torturing and killing, and the suckers that pay for it all?

  54. Thats what you get by jason777 · · Score: 1

    Thats what you get, dumbass. You want to make a few extra bucks renting out your mansion in pure greed. Anyone who rents their actual house is an utter moron. I can maybe see if you owned a rental. But even then, no. Also, I would run some bleach through that hot tub for a while.

  55. CC makes sense but not that pre-auth by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    explain why any hotel would accept a reservation without ID and credit card

    Pretty much any hotel I've stayed at does that, but then I don't stay at the places that are hourly and bill more for discretion than anything else...

    and a pre-auth on the credit card of say 1,000 to 10,000 to cover damages

    Sadly such a large pre-auth would lose probably about half of all hotel customers. Yes, even at $1k. Not to mention it's really pad PR as it panics most people to see such a large charge on the CC, they don't necessarily understand it will not actually go through.

    I would have thought it was more like, the guest used a fake ID and also one of those temporary CC numbers you can't charge above a certain amount to (though how you'd go about using that in conjunction with a fake ID I'm not quite sure).

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    1. Re:CC makes sense but not that pre-auth by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't need to do a pre-auth, just a credit check. Hotels will sue you for damage and will win in court. AirBnB is typically an illegal house rental, not a hotel stay, to begin with and kind of falls under "you should've gotten a bigger security payment".

      I used to live near the ocean which is a big tourist place in summer, people would rent out rooms or houses for thousands of dollars per month and security payments for twice or three times as much, they would have shitty couches and furniture and keep it pretty barebones all summer long. Shit got damaged, you'd end up making a profit.

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    2. Re:CC makes sense but not that pre-auth by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      explain why any hotel would accept a reservation without ID and credit card

      Pretty much any hotel I've stayed at does that, but then I don't stay at the places that are hourly and bill more for discretion than anything else...

      I have never stayed at a hotel that will allow you to stay without providing ID and security in the form of a credit card. Or is that the point you were trying to make? I mean, if you wanted to be 100% accurate, I've RESERVED plenty of rooms without a card, but I've never checked into a hotel that will let you check in without them.

  56. Re:Whipslash: You're REDUCED to hiding this? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Q: My superiors have decided to punish me!
    Picard: And punish us as well, it would seem...

    You're threatening to crapflood Slashdot for a day because you have a vendetta against the owner of the site. And in the process, the rest of us will have to wade through your spam comments. Why should the rest of us be punished because of your dispute with whipslash? Even if you loathe whipslash that much to carry a massive grudge after two years, surely you ought to have the decency to take out your frustrations in a way that penalizes everyone else here.

    Slashdot is, indeed, deleting posts in large numbers. The reason is because a tiny minority of users such as yourself and the spammer posting ASCII art swastikas have so egregiously abused the comment system. Deleting posts was once unthinkable, but now it's becoming commonplace here due to the rampant and highly persistent abuse. The ability to remain anonymous while participating in the discussion has been an important principle since Slashdot's inception. If Slashdot is willing to delete crapflood posts, it may be a matter of time before anonymous posting is completely disabled.

    This is why we can't have nice things. A minority of people abuse features so egregiously that the rest of us lose privileges. Now I get back to the topic of the story. You're no better than the Airbnb guests in this story. Airbnb is a nice service for travelers, offering them an alternative to expensive hotels and an environment that may be quieter and more pleasant during their travels. It also allows property owners to be flexible in renting out their premises to earn extra money. In principle, it should be a good deal for everyone.

    While most people wouldn't think to severely damage a person's residence by hosting a party like the individual in this story, a few horror stories like this would make a lot of people unwilling to use a service like Airbnb. While Airbnb can do some vetting of hosts, it's probably impossible for them to fully ascertain the intentions of guests. Because of abuses by a small fraction of people, the rest of us are also penalized.

    I assure you, the vast majority of us would prefer that you simply refrain from abusing anonymous posting altogether, and take your crusade against whipslash elsewhere. Unfortunately, you seem unwilling to consider that, and the rest of us will be punished because you want to punish whipslash. You're just like the individual in this story, who didn't care about the harm he caused, just as long as he got the pleasure he wanted.

    Seek professional help.

  57. "incidentals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Curious why airbnb doesn't ask for an incidentals charge. I stay 50 plus nights with a chain and they still ask me for the $100deposit. For a HOUSE I'd expect $2K.

  58. then use bing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    at least ms is trying

    Google is #1 so just wants to control you

  59. I'm not naive by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    I'm sure she goes a few places with cash she doesn't want me to know about. But the fact is she still spent an awful lot of that trip time going to museums and tourist traps.

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  60. You're my inferior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Says it all/it shuts you down right off the bat. It's not MY crusade. It was whimpslash's. I just nullify it & defy whimpslash. Easily.

    APK

    P.S.=> End of story... apk

    1. Re:You're my inferior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this is whipslash's crusade, why are you posting lots of comments about it while whipslash isn't posting anything? This is your crusade. You're just looking for excuses to justify your poor behavior.

      I read once that you have a stepdaughter who is around 12-13 years old. When all the other kids talk about their parents' jobs, does she have to tell them her dad sits around at home all day spamming Slashdot? Do you tell her about your planned crapflood and expect her to be proud of you? When you die, is crapflooding Slashdot a big achievement that you'd want immortalized on your tombstone?

      That you're still obsessed with this after two years tells me you must live a very empty life. You sound like a terrible parent. You demonstrate your extreme immaturity because you're willing to ruin a good thing for everyone because of your dispute with one individual.

      You want to punish whipslash, and it would seem that you're going to punish the rest of us as well. People like you are why we can't have nice things. Unlike you, Marcus Allen has character and integrity. Marcus Allen would be ashamed of you.

    2. Re:You're my inferior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whimpslash You stupidly said you'd stop me posting & call ME a spammer? You & GOOGLE are the biggest spammers of all & nobody wants it & you certainly haven't stopped me at all.

      * You read I have a step-daughter? WTF?? No I don't.

      APK

      P.S.=> You're also the one STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE posts constantly on /. too & YOU said what you just did? LOL - you're the one who's pitiful & EFFETE also... apk

    3. Re:You're my inferior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK, GO the fuck AWAY!

      Really, there are better things to do in life than waste your time and our time here. Just walk away from Slashdot, for the love of GOD

    4. Re: You're my inferior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think I'm whipslash, then you accuse me of stalking you on this site. You're not making one bit of sense.

      I'm not whipslash, but let's address your logic. Slashdot is owned by whipslash. It isn't stalking for him to read and reply to comments on Slashdot, and it's especially not stalking when whipslash owns the site. Your allegations of stalking don't make one bit of sense.

      You are not being stalked. But when someone criticizes you for behaving poorly, your only defense is to accuse them of stalking you. You've done far worse to a lot of people including whipslash, Coren22, amicusNYCL, arth1, Zontar The Mindless, c6gunner, ZIP, and Ash-Fox.

      Let me ask you one question: what have ordinary Slashdot users done to you that is so awful that you feel they should have to wade through your spam?

      No one wants you to spam Slashdot on January 1 or any other day. Grow up.

      You're in your mid 50s, right? Act your damn age.

  61. It's Universal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suspect that every wave of immigrants, no matter where they come from and no matter where they settle, experiences this.

    North American citizen here (country does not matter). I have seen identifiable groups (and not just visible minorities) of every description, complain about discrimination and difficulty fitting in. It's not just about 'people of color', it's about difference of any kind, and even about friends and neighbors versus people who are new.

    Again, the origin and characteristics of the immigrants seems to matter little. Jamaicans, Norwegians, Irish, Portuguese, Africans of every variety, Puerto Ricans, Columbians, Jews, Muslims, Czechs, Polish, Russians, Hungarians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, on and on it goes. I'll grant that greater and more identifiable differences make it easier to discriminate, but I don't think that discriminations origins are so much about skin color, religion or hats. It's about difference, about 'them' versus 'us'.

  62. Dear whimpslash alias "Rubber Willy" (lol) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, there are better things to do than waste your time STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anon posts & defaming cdreimer you do. Take your own advice RUBBER WILLY (lmao).

    APK

    P.S.=> Effete little "Rubber Willy" (RoTfLmAo) - I defy you & make you look like the POWERLESS LITTLE FOOL & WANNABE you truly are - & you KNOW it (everyone sees it too, hahahaha)... apk

    1. Re:Dear whimpslash alias "Rubber Willy" (lol) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a. I'm not whipslash, I'm just another regular Slashdot reader
      b. I don't have to stalk anything, I just read stories and comments - on ANY topic - and you JUST FUCKING SHOW UP everywhere.

      LEAVE already, you USELESS piece of SHIT

    2. Re: Dear whimpslash alias "Rubber Willy" (lol) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're libeling whipslash by falsely alleging he's stalking you and harassing creimer. You've threatened him by promising to crapflood his website on January 1. I hope he gets his lawyers and sues you into oblivion. That $1 house you own? I hope you have to sell the house to pay whipslash for the damages you've caused him.

  63. Probably insurance fraud by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

    You rent your home full of your stuff to a total stranger. What do you expect?

    Most of the shit rich people have in their mansion ends up going for pennies on the dollar, if they have to liquidate it. Get someone to trash your house/steal your stuff and insurance picks up the tab. This whole thing smells exactly like when people stage a car accident (for the insurance money).

    I can't imagine their finances were that stable to begin with, if they were having to rent the place out.

    --

    ---
    DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
    1. Re:Probably insurance fraud by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Get someone to trash your house/steal your stuff and insurance picks up the tab.

      Not if you rent out your place for money.
      Read your insurance contract: it will explicitly disallow damage made
      by renters unless you add a clause for that. Which will cost extra.

  64. RoTfLmAo - threats to me now? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yea yea yea, lol - the "jailhouse lawyer" strikes again, lmao!

    * Unbelievable... ever heard of coercion & threats? Don't TRY them on me stupid.

    APK

    P.S.=> I made no threat, I only speak truth on what he does to me & does he do it to creimer? I wouldn't doubt it BUT that I don't know for sure... apk

  65. It's tradition for "Rubber Willy" whimpslash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject 2nd year after you said you'd stop me posting & failed. Act your age, quit STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts WHIMPslash.

    * ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS KNEEL & ask me POLITELY to leave under your REGISTERED USERNAME whimpslash - I'll leave (but YOU must KNEEL to me BOY, lol - that's what GALLS you & you refuse to simply ask (after I blew away your PUNY tricks)).

    APK

    P.S.=> I just laugh @ "your kind" you know, lol - why? Hell - I know YOU whimpslash BETTER than YOU KNOW YOURSELF (& how do I prove it? Just ask me to leave politely - KNEEL - you can't & that's why I do it, because I know it crushes it to do that vs. me BOY)... apk

  66. STFU whimpslash alias "Rubber Willy" (lol) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject BOY: You're whimpslash & a USELESS piece of shit, not I - I prove it to everyone after you failed to stop me posting!

    * ALL YOU HAVE TO DO, is KNEEL before me BOY - ask politely for me to leave under your REGISTERED 'luser' account vs. STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts pussy.

    APK

    P.S.=> I take GREAT PLEASURE in seeing you GROVEL bitch, lol... apk

    1. Re:STFU whimpslash alias "Rubber Willy" (lol) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK
      GO the fuck AWAY!

      (pleading with the gods for an electroatmospheric intervention...)

      APK
      GO the fuck AWAY!

      APK
      GO the fuck AWAY!

      APK
      GO the fuck AWAY!

      APK
      GO the fuck AWAY!

      APK
      GO THE FUCK AWAY!

  67. Whipslash just ask me to... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: ALL you have to do is just ask me under your registered username "whipslash" Mr. Logan Abbott - is that too hard to do for you?

    * Apparently so... "Gosh, I wonder why?" (NOT, after all your attempts @ being 'sneaky' & "wannabe technical" failed, lol).

    APK

    P.S.=> Tomorrow we continue "the tradition" of quoting you & what you said + me posting showing IT'S NOT TRUE - lmao... apk

    1. Re:Whipslash just ask me to... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't do that because I am NOT WHIPSLASH, you stupid conspiracy nut fuckhead!

      Just GO THE FUCK AWAY. Nobody here likes you or wants to read your vomit. NOBODY. Get it?

  68. All whipslash needs to do is ASK me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All whipslash needs to do is ASK me - I'll leave, & it's THAT simple (for me but his "hubris of the defeated"'s in HIS way & he won't KNEEL to me (lol) & ask).

    * Plenty of folks DISAGREE w/ you in 100's of upmods I've gotten on my posts (even as an AC poster here, much HARDER to do vs. the "downmoderation system" for CENSORSHIP SUPPRESSION goofs like YOU game via multiple sockpuppet accounts & don't even TRY tell me different - I've caught assholes with TONS of accounts here MANY times since 2005). On my posts on hosts too (yet you call me "spammer"? LOL - that's a laugh - GOOGLE is the big SPAMMER out there & they are whipslash's PRIMARY FINANCIER)).

    Lastly - you don't LIKE what I post? Don't READ IT. I don't break any rules (& disregarding 'site policy' isn't 'breaking laws' - I don't break those, I abide BY THEM in full, in laws). Heck, set yourself to browse ABOVE 0 (where ALL us ac posters are) & don't see my posts @ all (your loss)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Take YOUR OWN ADVICE & quit STALKING ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anon posts WHIMPSLASH - do you REALLY think you're fooling anyone? Delete my posts, I can easily repost in SECONDS to override that bs too (funny you don't DELETE the posts giving cdreimer shit & he's no longer even HERE ANYMORE - imo, it's because cdreimer CRAPPED on /. publicly (me too I think in a way on his 'jock' portion but I don't care since the guy has issues & doesn't need ME making it worse for him) - you DELETED POSTS OF MINE that only WARNED SPECTRUM USERS (which even their network techs @ all levels AGREE w/ me on - they're leaving users NOSES WIDE OPEN if not the nation (why a logon w/ "nothing to logon to"? No, why insert code for it (that I can't get into, hell I had to RIG MY HOSTS FILE TO GET A LOGON SCREEN even + the ISP itself can't access that screen either (but you can BET CHINA CAN remotely via the default gateway OR other means, who knows, but SOMEONE DEFINITELY CAN (else why a logon screen @ all?))... apk

    1. Re:All whipslash needs to do is ASK me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are at least two ACs replying to you in this thread, myself and another person. I'm not whipslash. I take the other AC at his word that he's not whipslash.

      Your comments about Charter were offtopic. You posted them in article after article, then reposted them when they were deleted. Whether you call it spamming or crapflooding, it is definitely abuse. Slashdot makes it very clear in the FAQ that they frown upon this type of behavior. While Slashdot hasn't deleted comments in the past, they are well within their rights to start doing so. You don't own Slashdot and you're not paying for this service. They don't owe you anything. Get that through your head: Slashdot doesn't owe you a damned thing.

      You accuse whipslash of stalking you and sometimes allege he's breaking the law. You have no evidence for any of this, so there is an extremely high probability that you're posting libel about whipslash. But let's hypothetically say that whipslash is responsible for all of these replies criticizing you. That still wouldn't be stalking. Whipslash owns Slashdot and he's well within his right to read or reply to any comment he chooses, whether anonymously or with an account.

      Why do you think you get to order whipslash how to read and post comments on his own damn site?

      Go away. Nobody wants you here. Your comments are not welcome. You're an arrogant, self-absorbed, entitled louse. Should you follow through with your threats to spam Slashdot tomorrow, you will just be proving my point.

    2. Re:All whipslash needs to do is ASK me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious: Why do you RANDOMLY capitalize words?

    3. Re:All whipslash needs to do is ASK me... apk by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      You can't win this argument. I know it makes you feel better to try logic, but it's like trying to convince a rutabaga that it should buy life insurance.
      It just ain't happening...

  69. My other replies shut your bs down already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: All you spout is BS & this is all you get from me now since I proved you wrong @ every turn in my replies already.

    APK

    P.S.=> You're NO LONGER WORTH MY TIME... apk

  70. In your words: Run, Forrest, Run! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me translate your comment:

    You know I'm correct about how absurd your comments and behavior are. You know I'm correct about your arrogance and massive sense of entitlement. You know I'm correct that you shouldn't spam Slashdot tomorrow like you've threatened. You know I'm correct that spamming Slashdot tomorrow will make you look even worse than you already do.

    However, you're too much of a narcissist to admit that you have no rebuttal. Therefore, you're pretending that you've refuted everything I said, so you can pretend that you're justified in whatever abuses you have planned for tomorrow. You won't let logic, reason, common sense, or any sense of decency stand in the way of the spam campaign you apparently have planned.

    Have fun showing the world what an obsessed narcissistic piece of trash you truly are. You will undoubtedly sit around tonight and obsess about whipslash in your shithole $1 house because that's all you have in your life. Meanwhile, I'll be going out to party and ring in the new year.

    Perhaps if you weren't so obsessed with spamming Slashdot, you might have released the Mac version of your hosts file software you keep posting about. That is the crowning achievement of your life, that you wrote a program to download text files, concatenate them, sort them, and remove duplicate entries. It's a project for a first semester freshman-level college class, but you pretend like it's the eighth wonder of the world. You think your God's gift to Slashdot and have even proclaimed yourself God's instrument to carry out vengeance against whipslash. You think whipslash should bow to you, but you haven't earned it or even done a single thing of value in your wasted life.

    You'll probably view your planned spam campaign tomorrow as the new crowning achievement of your life, replacing your toy software for downloading and manipulating text files. Have fun making an ass of yourself yet again.

    Unlike you, I don't live in a $1 house and I actually have friends. I'm going out to party with those friends to ring in the new year. Perhaps I'll even show your comments to a few of them to provide some laughter for the evening at the expense of your worthless life and your delusions.

  71. CRY of "injured ne'er-do-well" YOU in "NPD" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're BLOWN AWAY in my replies on all your bs 'points' already. CRY of the "injured ne'er-do-well" in "NPD" too? Hahahaha & You're OFF TOPIC bitching I AM? How droll (not). The "last refuge" of the DO-NOTHING vs. those that DO good things which my hosts program does & many like & use it worldwide? IS MORE THAN A LOSER LIKE YOU HAS TO YOUR NAME (you don't even have THAT, lol - you don't even STAND BEHIND YOUR WORDS, weezil).

    * Quit cryin & STALKING ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts already loser - you'll ALWAYS LOSE to me (all "your kind" KNOWS how to do vs. MY KIND (who do things of VALUE others like/use/praise - you don't)).

    Only a couple hours & I requote whipslash too (saying he could "stop me" well, how come I am posting then? LMAO!)

    At least I own my own home fully paid off - do you? DOUBT IT (prove otherwise, that will be FUN to see you TRY as I've never EVER seen a title to a home say "UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS COWARD" (you) is the owner on it, lol).

    No - TROLLS LIKE YOU? Live under bridges (lol, like drug addicts & BUMS).

    Go "party" your life away little boy - it's probably WHY you'll never have anything of value.

    Druggies & DRUNKS = demons, not friends. There's NO LOVE among DEMONS of that class. LOW...

    APK

    P.S.=> STUPID - I can't release a MacOS version UNTIL I get my Mac-Mini up & I just got it (other things here take precedence in a business I run - but I should have it online in a day or two hopefully & 1st thing I do is WRITE the port - you know - creating an EVEN MORE MULTPLATFORM EXCELLENT PROGRAM, again, here - you never do or will (LOL))... apk

  72. WHIMPslash RubberWilly reduced 2 hiding this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whipslash/Logan Abbott: Stop being SUCH a "Rubber Willy" (lol, i.e. DILDO), ok? You're pissed @ cdreimer for shitting on /. & perhaps RIGHTFULLY so (on BOTH your parts) - but look @ the guy: He has issues imo - he doesn't need YOU compounding them! I feel cdreimer even "took shots" @ ME in that video but I don't bug him about it - again, he has problems enough.

    & of course "but, But, BUT '/. doesn't delete posts'"?

    BS - I've got you recorded in doing 100's vs. me literally in screenshots (never mind those of others you did as well) - I was only warning folks of issues in Spectrum "bricks", deceiving things too (logons to NOTHING exist in them but then they do NOT ROUTE PACKETS like dual connect (or more) routers do).

    Which yes I did MORE research w/ SPECTRUM personnel (after a modem I was told I would get had its ORDER CANCELLED & not by ME but by their POLICIES that leave users exposed).

    I am MORE CONVINCED THAN EVER along w/ their personnel that they are sacrificing short-term profits vs. users' safety - but then, that's the "arbitrary cost" involved + "moral relativism" isn't it?

    Just like YOU as a webmaster? BOTH sides = CONVINCED they're 'right' - profit is "our fidiciary duty" to our shareholders (& OURSELVES as profiteers too, of course & "BONUSES")!

    As I am vs. YOUR TRUE "puppet-master" in GOOGLE your primary financier who TRACKS/SLOWS/INFECTS US ALL! ... & ALL those LIKE them, in advertisers (BIGGEST "spammers" of all yet YOU CALL ME THAT? Hypocrisy abounds!)

    Please: Unlike YOU? No 'crass motivations' here as I absolutely KNOW I'm doing the RIGHT thing, the ABSOLUTE GOOD protecting even advertisers (who yes, use hosts to prototype their machinations as do many a webmaster)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Grow up BOY - You can DELETE ALL DAY? I can REPOST ALL DAMN DAY overriding you (you already KNOW this) - but our "2 yr. anniversary" of ME quoting YOU saying you can "STOP ME" (an impossibility as everyone knows, only thing that stops ME, is ME, not you)?? It's going to happen - only thing is, I haven't decided YET how I'll do it (Marcus Allen/Jonathan "rollerball" https://www.youtube.com/watch?... since that's how you TRIED & FAILED to "do me") OR via "Rubber Willy" & the old 'glam-band' SWEET & "Little Willy" https://www.youtube.com/watch?... (lol, in YOUR CASE? RUBBER WILLY, lol)... apk

    1. Re:WHIMPslash RubberWilly reduced 2 hiding this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK, you are mentally ill and you should seek professional help. You may still have a chance to live a 'normal' life.

  73. You're delusional Dr. "Quack"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & your delusions of grandeur libeling me (heard of the goldwater law/rule?) that way - you're no professional shrink, nor do you possess a license to practice psychiatric sciences, nor do you have professional work experience in it (but I BET you have been a psych patient, lol) NOR a degree in it either that qualifies your "snap prognosis" of my ALLEGED "mental condition" from a LOSER like you blowhard bullshitter.. lol!

    BEYOND all THE ABOVE: Have YOU performed a mental examination of MYSELF in a professional psychiatric environs? No.

    * Is THAT "the best ya got" RUBBER WILLY? It's not even FUNNY or ORIGINAL for Pete's sake (but then your DULL BRAIN is VERY limited & I also suspect DAMAGED as you PROJECT it in your bs).

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, I offer you the CHANCE to prove me wrong & PROVE you have all the qualifications needed for your "insta-prognosis" of yours Dr. Quack - no, lol - you're the WANNBE & "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /." & NOTHING MORE, lmao... apk

  74. Most glaring failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not knowing all the circumstances, can't say what all she did wrong. But renting to an unknown person, leaving the house with them, and not even cruising by or calling a neighbor to check things out doesn't sound particularly smart.