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Tim Cook to Investors: People Bought Fewer New iPhones Because They Repaired Their Old Ones (vice.com)

On Wednesday, Apple CEO Tim Cook issued a dire warning to his investors. Apple, the world's first trillion dollar company, lowered its revenue forecast for the first time since 2002, thanks primarily to China, he said. But there was at least one more issue at play.

Motherboard: The lengthy letter cites, specifically, that people are buying fewer iPhones because they are repairing their old ones. Apple has long fought efforts that would make iPhones easier to repair: It has lobbied against right to repair efforts in several states, doesn't sell iPhone replacement parts, sued an independent repair professional in Norway, worked with Amazon to get iPhone and MacBook refurbishers kicked off Amazon Marketplace, and has deals with electronics recyclers that require them to shred iPhones and MacBooks (as opposed to allowing them to be refurbished.) The Department of Homeland Security, meanwhile, has seized iPhone replacement parts from prominent right to repair activists in the United States.

[...] Apple has never clearly articulated why it doesn't want people to fix their own iPhones or to have independent experts repair them. It has previously said that iPhones are "too complex" for users to repair them, even though replacing a battery is pretty easy and is done by average users all the time. But the fact that repair hurts Apple's bottom line came out in Cook's official communication with shareholders, who he is legally obligated to tell the truth to.

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  1. If this hurts Apple's bottom line, it should. by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they lose revenue when people can't repair their hardware, then the replacement costs are hurting the global economy and this needs to stop. Period.

    1. Re:If this hurts Apple's bottom line, it should. by wwphx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tough shit, Apple. I'm content with my iPhone 6 and see no need to upgrade to something beyond a 6S as I don't want to lose my headphone jack. Plus, I may upgrade to a 5S as I like the smaller form factor. YOU. ARE. NOT. MAKING. A. NEW. PHONE. THAT. I. WANT. Fix that and include a headphone jack and I may consider buying a new phone.

      Further proof that Apple has been taken over and is being ruled by MBAs rather than innovators.

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    2. Re: If this hurts Apple's bottom line, it should. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do NOT need a headphone jack PERIOD. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

      I don't need an iPhone either. But if you want me to buy one, you should probably make one that I want to buy.

    3. Re: If this hurts Apple's bottom line, it should. by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hush. The spokesman for the entire Internet is speaking.

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    4. Re: If this hurts Apple's bottom line, it should. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm a huge Apple fan, and while you can "get by" without a headphone jack integrated into the phone, it is a silly compromise. I use Bose QC20 noise cancelling headphones when I fly; they are hands-down the best in-ear, noise cancelling headphone for that purpose. They have a 3.5mm (god I hate calling it that... it is 1/8"...) jack and a really stupid battery pack. I sometimes use these same headphones for listening to the in-flight entertainment. The headphones have an 18-hour battery, and can be charged while in use.

      So, for Apple's world, I can either give up the best headphones and go bluetooth, with an extra bluetooth dongle for the IFE, or keep my stupid lightning/headphone dongle and maybe invest in a dual-port headphone/charger dongle. Either way, it is dongle madness. Oh, and I need two sets of bluetooth headphones since they don't last as long.

      Oh, and since purchasing a new iPad pro, I need another dongle for USB-C... but that is a separate matter.

      (If I could comfortably wear on-ear headphones for a 17-hour flight then there are more options, but that is not possible.)

    5. Re: If this hurts Apple's bottom line, it should. by Hylandr · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can Fuck right the Hell Off Apple.

      Assuming I have the ear of a very angry Apple exec:

      The market has put it's foot in your ass and will continue to punish you.

      Apple products are banned in my household as your software is invasive, hardware grossly over-priced and under-performs and we can fix everything we own.

      People don't buy things because they are told they have to unless the Govt made them. They buy things they like. They don't like their Audio jack being taken away, we don't like property we can't fix, and we don't *have* to buy overpriced mediocre performing apple garbage.

      Want to sell products, find what the customer wants and fill that need, not by telling them they need to spend 200 times more for reduced utility.

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    6. Re: If this hurts Apple's bottom line, it should. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Headphone jacks are overrated, the little supplied adapter works fine

      Bullshit. Maybe FOR YOU it's fine. Guess what some of us DO have a problem with it.

      * How do I charge my phone and listen to my wired headphones (Senns HD 380 Pro) at the SAME TIME ?

      * Why the fuck am I forced to carry around Yet-Another-Dongle ???

      Oh, that's right Apple wants me to buy their shitty Beats wireless cans instead and/or more accessories that now I have to worry about remembering to bring and not lose.

      Apple no longer cares about respecting the consumer. (Although one could probably argue they never really have with their shenanigans over the years.)

      Fuck that shit.

    7. Re: If this hurts Apple's bottom line, it should. by Junta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suppose the question is why he should have to pay *more* money to allow Apple to pursue their agenda, versus just buying products/sticking with products that are still designed in a way he prefers? Of course all that said he really should move to a credit card device that isn't magstripe based, due to liability issues, but not because he should pay more to have less function.

      I would never dare say someone else's preference for having a port is any of my business.

      Personally, I bought an android phone with only usb-c and dongles for headphones. When that phone messed up out of warranty, I was so glad to have a headphone jack again and not deal with the hassle of a dongle, and paid much less for the phone with *more* ports which is a very weird dynamic in the industry.

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    8. Re:If this hurts Apple's bottom line, it should. by davros74 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am in the same boat. I would like a OLED screen, but.... I do not want a physically bigger phone. I do not want to give up the 3.5mm headphone jack (which I use everyday, while charging). I actually prefer Touch ID over the new Face ID garbage. I like having a home button I can physically feel and press without needing to look at the phone.

      But my battery had fizzeled out. Wouldn't keep a charge, kept shutting down when cold. But Apple offered a new battery for $25, so now my iPhone 6 is good as new, and in my opinion, better in almost every way over the current gen models except for the OLED screen.

      Make a phone a I WANT to buy, and at a reasonable price, and I might bite. Until then, I will probably replace the battery in my iPhone6 again 2-3 years from now. I don't care if I stop getting iOS updates.

    9. Re: If this hurts Apple's bottom line, it should. by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

      hey have a 3.5mm (god I hate calling it that... it is 1/8"...)

      It isn't. The diameter of the plug is 3.5 mm. 1/8" would be 3.175 mm, 10% smaller than 3.5 mm.

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  2. Try making money by repairing iPhones by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why doesn't Apple offer to repair old iPhones? They could make extra money.

  3. Convert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not possible that even one converted to Android? No way he'd admit that.

  4. Tim Cook Reality Distortion Field by Computershack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He'll do anything but admit that they fucked up when they priced it at over $/£/€1000. People aren't buying them because they're too fucking expensive.

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    1. Re:Tim Cook Reality Distortion Field by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it costs $150 to replace the screen, and a new iPhone is $400, then maybe you wonder about what you should do. Maybe it's upgrade time. But when the new phone is $1,000, just get the screen fixed.

      If Apple has failed to predict this kind of behavior, it needs to hire better economists.

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  5. Ummm. No.... by BadJasper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People bought fewer iPhones because they jacked the prices up and, didn't give anyone anything new that would justify such an increase. Thereby, negative return on investment. DUH! For people that are supposed to be smart, they sure say and, do some really stupid shit.

  6. People Bought Fewer New iPhones Because by fabioalcor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They Suck.

  7. It's the same with German cars by ErichTheRed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple is very similar to BMW and Mercedes when it comes to this "immersive brand experience" thing. None of these companies want people running around with old phones or cars. They want them on the 3-year leasing treadmill. They want you to basically subscribe to their hardware. To accomplish this, one of the things they do is fight efforts to make repairs economical. Apple basically builds their phones as glue sandwiches and solders all the components onto the motherboard for "design reasons." BMW/MB make the out-of-warranty repair experience painful with single-source expensive parts, so even if you find a good mechanic who charges reasonable labor rates, this sensor or that sub-assembly will cost thousands to replace. The only way to own one of these cars long term is to have the money and not care about spending it, or just throw in the towel and rent one forever in the form of a never-ending lease.

    I think people in the US and Europe will finally get sick of this and realize they're being ripped off now that there's a huge secondary market for iDevices. China and India have huge middle class populations but they're less likely to blow $1100 on a phone than Americans are.

  8. history repeating by kiviQr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Do I need to remind you that Apple failed looong time ago because they started pushing product that no one wanted (precustomized, never upgradable product)? Sounds familiar?

  9. Not exactly Tim by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    people bought fewer new iPhones because you let the cat out of the bag on how replacing the battery fixes performance issues. I mean, I guess that is _technically_ a repair...

    And I've replaced two iPhones now for what turned out to be a dying battery.

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  10. Mr. Cook needs a dose of reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why isn't Apple selling more iPhones?
    1) Too darn expensive. I'm not dropping a grand on a device that I can lose or break in an instant. I switched over to Android because I can buy a phone with 90% of the functionality of an iPhone for $200 to $300, which is the price point I want.
    2) We're at peak functionality. Yeah, apps are bloating and requiring more CPU power, but if I need a phone, email, calendar, a browser, and some basic games, I'm good. I don't need a zillion megapixels or a few more battery stealing CPU cycles, so why do I need a new phone?
    3) The "wow" factor is over. Every phone looks the same and does most of the same things. I'm not jazzed by anything on the latest and greatest iPhone. Innovate!

    Apple is just about where Motorola was after the RAZR crashed and burned. Motorola didn't take the RAZR profits and invest more in R&D and their customers moved on to the next big thing (smartphones). RIM / Blackberry had the same problem. As has just about everyone else in the space. The only saving grace for Apple is the ecosystem it has for its devices and software. That has built something of a moat around its products, but as long as older products continue to function, there is no incentive for Apple to get hungry again.

  11. free market / surprise or arrogance? by kiviQr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People complained about replacable batter, phone jack, ability to fix device and prices. They did not care - people stoped buing products - now they are surprised?How about listen to your customers next time?

  12. Apple has stopped innoovating by rlp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Under Steve Jobs, Apple innovated creating whole new lines of products with innovative features. Now innovation at Apple means adding a notch to the screen or removing the headphone jack. The iPhone is a great phone, but enough people already own them and they're not willing to pay $1,000 or more for small incremental improvements.

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  13. Apple wants you to buy new devices. by TomBauserman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Higher profit margin. The school that I work at has 200+ perfectly good ipads that just won't update past 10.3.3. They aren't that old and there's nothing wrong with them. Built in obsolescence. Now the apps we use won't work because they do a version check for 11+ So fuck apple, we're getting Android tablets, next round.

    1. Re:Apple wants you to buy new devices. by omnichad · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hate to tell you, but Android is mostly worse in this regard. Apple does a lot of things wrong, but long-term OS upgrades is generally better than Android.

      The 5-year old 2nd-gen iPad mini still supports iOS 12. iPhone support for iOS 12 goes back to 2014 devices. I had an Google Nexus 6 that went out of support 1.5 years after I bought it - no no updates. And that was an actual Google co-branded phone. The full size iPad is a weird exception to this.

      All mobile devices are still given way too short of a supported lifespan. With Android there's no predicting when support will end either.

  14. Re:Apple is NOT the world's first $1T company by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Kind of related, but there are currently no $1T companies after the stock market tumbles of the last year or so. According to the chart in this article on Apple's update, all the FAANG companies are now firmly below $0.8T, and Apple now has the US' fourth largest market cap, behind (in order) Microsoft, Amazon and Google, having fallen somewhat more sharply than the rest.

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  15. Simple Explanations by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Reasons:

    1) Apple went full stupid with the pricing on their newest lineup
    2) I like my headphone jack thank you very much
    3) There is nothing wrong with my iPhone SE nor my Galaxy S5 ( both of which have headphone jacks )
    4) Smartphone market is over-saturated, iPhones are no longer the only option

    The only reason I have an iPhone SE is the size. I prefer a smaller phone that easily fits into a pocket vs
    the super sized versions that are so common today. They get any bigger and we'll be able to mount them
    via a forearm strap and use them as shields :|

    Were it not for the larger size, I would really prefer to stick with my Galaxy S5. It has a headphone jack,
    a removable battery ( I have a few spares ) and is expandable via the micro-SD card. The drag and drop
    file functionality is really hard for Apple to beat imo.

    Plus, f*ck iTunes. That sh*t is why I grabbed a Galaxy S5 to begin with.

    My ideal phone would be:

    1) Android base ( not the carrier bloated bullsh*t that's impossible to remove without root )
    2) Removable Battery
    3) Micro-SD card expand-ability
    4) Hardware switch(es) to disable the Mic, Camera and GPS
    5) Decent size selection range ( small to large )
    6) Headphone jack
    7) Dual Sim