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Vinyl and Cassette Sales Continued To Grow Last Year (fortune.com)

Albums sold on vinyl and cassette both saw a growth in sales according to BuzzAngle Music's End-Year Report profiling U.S. music industry consumption for 2018. From a report: Vinyl sales grew by just shy of 12% from 8.6 to 9.7 million sales, while cassette sales grew by almost 19% from 99,400 to 118,200 copies sold in the US, The Verge reported. Sixty-six percent of those vinyl sales were of albums that are more than three years old and feature classic bands like The Beatles, Fleetwood Mac, and Pink Floyd, reported BuzzAngle. Cassettes saw popularity in newer releases. CDs on the other hand have declined by 18.5% in popularity leading to a total decline in physical album sales of over 15%, reported The Verge. Meanwhile, audio streaming saw an increase of 41.8%, the largest of all music consumption.

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  1. Hiss and crackle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some people get their hiss and crackle that way. I choose fire and snakes to accompany my digital music.

    1. Re:Hiss and crackle by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      its worse than bit rot. bit rot implies you had once a perfect copy; and in that case, you could have copied it to HD and others for backup.

      vinyl and analog cassette NEVER let you get a perfect copy. each and every time you play it, it gets worse and different (both). can't avoid it unless you optically scan the LP; and no way to avoid degrading tapes (they stretch, have drop-outs, no redundancy, bleed-thru, HF loss, etc).

      I have no idea what you are talking about. I grew up with that stuff, glad its gone, I do audio for a hobby and digital is the only way to go.

      analog is for hipsters OR for those who have exceptional analog systems, and that's really rare, today.

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    2. Re:Hiss and crackle by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

      no bit rot

      Yeah, the shit just wears out, which is much better...

      Vinyl and film I can understand, but magnetic medium just doesn't hold up. I don't understand why anybody would want a cassette tape. When are we going to bring back floppy disks? Or zip disks, there ya go... or better yet, punch cards and ladies in long skirts and high heels changing the reels of tape

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    3. Re:Hiss and crackle by mschuyler · · Score: 2

      There is extensive "bit rot" every time a needle scrapes through a groove and leaves a cloud of bits streaming behind it.

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    4. Re:Hiss and crackle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have no idea what you are talking about. I grew up with that stuff, glad its gone, I do audio for a hobby and digital is the only way to go.

      analog is for hipsters OR for those who have exceptional analog systems, and that's really rare, today.

      I listen to vinyl songs on youtube. They sound much better than the HQ CD version on youtube. The bass is clear on vinyl, and other instruments are also clear and separated better. Vinyl is an audiophile medium, whereas CDs are for people don't appreciate the finer details.

    5. Re:Hiss and crackle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's nothing to do with the medium, it's entirely to do with the mastering.

    6. Re: Hiss and crackle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Taking their cue, I made a cassette of a Youtube recording of an album and it was even betterer.

    7. Re:Hiss and crackle by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      This is and other things.

      I can some what understand the love for vinyl. It has some redeeming value. The covers are big enough to put art on and the sound does appeal to some members of society.

      Cassette tapes? They are the worse medium for music devised by man. All the worse of vinyl without any of the art work. Tape stretches and breaks for almost no reason. Sounds like crap after a few plays too.

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    8. Re:Hiss and crackle by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Cassette tapes? They are the worse medium for music devised by man.

      Well no that's unfair. They were better than what went before. They were compact, the tape was pretty well protected, recordable and you could fit 120 minutes into a single tape. This allowed you to actually carry quite a lot of music with you. 1 or two tapes would see you through two bus journeys and whichever lessons you could listen to music in without getting caught...

      At the time they were about the best choice.

      Though I only bought a few albums on tape, mostly I copied them from CDs or friends to my own tapes.

      Tape stretches and breaks for almost no reason.

      Yeah but it wasn't that bad. Even the rather failure prone D120s would last a fair while. The somewhat thicker tape that music was sold on generally lasted better than that. I basically listened to everything on D120.

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    9. Re:Hiss and crackle by Zobeid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes. This. CDs can sound incredibly good if they're mastered right, but that's something record producers no longer have any interest in. Basically any rock or pop CD from about 2000 onward is going to sound crummy. Also, any recording from earlier than that if it has been remastered. When I see REMASTERED on a CD label, I mentally translate that as SPECIAL EBOLA EDITION.

    10. Re:Hiss and crackle by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Given that youtube is a digital medium, you're saying that an analog medium converted to digital is better than a directly digital medium? This can only occur if the original digital version was extremely poorly done in the first place. You could take a digital rip from youtube and burn it to cd and it would sound identical to how it did on youtube, so the cd itself isnt the problem - it's how the audio was processed prior to being put onto cd.

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    11. Re:Hiss and crackle by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      And for all the poor sound quality of cassette tapes, is it really worse than spotify?

      Well this statement pretty much invalidates the rest of your argument, but I'll bite anyway.

      No, it's not a large part of people wanting physical things. Most people understand the difference between buying something digital and buying vinyl/CD's. Just as most of them understand the issue with buying something with DRM or no DRM. An no, they are not giving up on streaming or even buying mp3 online. Sales of independant artist mp3 from thier own websites are going up and, like it or not, streaming is the future of music.

      There are two kinds of people that buy new vinyl. Millinals with more money than sense, or sometimes no sense and less money, and hippies.

      Hippies I have some sympathy for. Most are trying to relieve some old memories that only the hiss, pop, and poor quality sound that only worn vinyl and a well lit bong can bring to the table. Millinals on the other hand are just stupid about it. They think that vinyl is all cool because its "retro," not realizing that a big vinyl collection is only "cool" to some old ass hippies.

      After a few months most millinals wake up and realize that paying $40 for some rehashed vinyl from Hot Topic isn't worth the cost. The vinyl collection starts to collect dust in the corner then eventually gets donated or tossed in the bin. Hippies on the other hand tend to be smarter about their vinyl collecting. They realize that Hottopic isn't the place to buy old records and instead seek out used record stores and garage sales. Where they can pickup a used vinyl for $5 a record from a used record store, or $5 for some millinals whole vinyl collection at a yard sale.

      Millinals! Keeping hottopic in business and old hippies in music since 1990 something.

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  2. Did you know by BLToday · · Score: 3, Funny

    “Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976? If these trends continues... AAY!"

  3. Why? by AndyKron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can also buy "raw water" for $20 a gallon, but that doesn't mean it's better. Old records suck and cassettes are even worse. Tube amps suck too. I've lived with all of them. It's cool for a retro experience, but that's about it.

    1. Re:Why? by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      A good tube amplifier should probably sound the same as a good amplifier using field-effect transistors.

      You know that the electrodes in tubes get contaminated and evaporate, right? And no two tubes respond exactly the same. It is possible that the nonlinearities sound good to your ears, or you have a whole lot of unintended low pass filtering built into your tube amp, plus some unintended resonances, and you kind of like the modified product. I on the other hand, prefer to hear sound reproduced exactly as it was recorded.

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  4. There is in truth much beauty by Excelcia · · Score: 2

    Cassette tape, I would have to agree with you there. There is no real redeeming feature to cassette besides nostalgia. But vinyl, well, there is another story.

    Take good care of your albums and they will reward you with rich, warm, pop-free sound for a lifetime. Eventually some dust gets on them, either a fine layer of white glue or some good light cleaners, or both will take care of that. I have a 1963 Philips Capella Reverbio B7X43A, one of the last tube radios and one of the only tube radios to have FM stereo reception in addition to stereo on the line in. I have enough spare tubes to last a lifetime, and when my turntable plays through it it's like a spiritual experience. The warmth and beauty of that has to be experienced. And sure, I've rigged it for bluetooth. Respectfully, though, because there is no way I will make any permanent mods to this work of art. But still I can play my phone through it. And, like everyone else, I'll pump MP3s (or preferably OGGs) through it, because perceptual compression really is good technology and while you are listening to a bunch of MP3's then at the time it seems good enough. When you are munching on popcorn, you hardly worry that it's not prime rib.

    But I would be devastated if I had to munch popcorn for the rest of my life. A direct-to-vinyl recording on my turntable put through my tube sound system is a perfectly cooked prime rib dinner with delicate au jus and a fine wine. It's an experience. Bach's Little Fugue in G Minor done this way still makes my heart beat faster.

    1. Re: There is in truth much beauty by Excelcia · · Score: 2

      With a sufficiently high sampling rate and a sufficient number of bits per sample, you'd might be right. Though there are still ways to tell the difference, especially on tracks that have any waveform that are close to a fundamental harmonic of the sampling rate. You can actually hear the sampling beat frequencies injected into the music and distortion. At those harmonics, sine waves of certain frequencies can be sampled into square waves. Square waves are a mix of a large number of harmonics, so overall it sounds like someone is running a ring modulator on the sound as those frequencies go in and out of phase with the sampling rate. But at extremely high sampling rates, you're right, it may be impossible to tell the difference.

      At the current standard of 48KHz, where at the upper frequencies you are getting 2-4 samples per wavelength, I guarantee you that you're 100% wrong. I can tell the difference between a direct-to-vinyl analog recording and a digital one with an accuracy approaching unity and I'm not the only one. For those with a good ear, it's like the audible difference between artificial vanilla and natural vanilla (incidentally, did you know that "vanilla" only became a synonym for "plain" after the invention of artificial vanilla?).

    2. Re: There is in truth much beauty by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      there are still ways to tell the difference, especially on tracks that have any waveform that are close to a fundamental harmonic of the sampling rate. You can actually hear the sampling beat frequencies injected into the music and distortion

      So you have not heard of Nyquist frequency or sinc filtering. If you can actually hear beat frequencies than your hardware (software?) is misdesigned. It can be mathematically proven that you can't hear such beat frequencies in a properly engineered system. Of course I realize I am telling this to someone who *believes* in vinyl, so it probably fell on deaf ears.

      Anyway, I can guarantee that you are wrong about the other guy being wrong. This is science.

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  5. Cassettes? Really? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    The *only* advantage that cassettes *ever* had over vinyl is that they were more portable... but you took a very discernible loss in quality as a price for that convenience.

    Today, you can store countless songs on a portable music player no larger than a single cassette, and at *VASTLY* higher quality than cassettes themselves are capable of. Vinyl, at least, has a redeeming characteristic over digital storage in that it is at least pure analog, and perhaps for some people, it might carry that appeal. Certainly there is no significant lack of quality in vinyl, at least not until the needle has worn the record down through very extensive repeated playing. But cassettes, while also analog, are so far inferior in quality to even today's lossy mp3 sound storage, that there is no reason I can imagine that people today would actually still prefer them.

  6. Re:Mindfulness ,doing something with purpose by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps kids are learning that listening to an album is pretty damned awesome.

    No, you remember that in 1973 it was pretty damned awesome to be young and in the arms of your old girlfriend as you listened to that album, baked on whatever pills you had bought in the street that morning.

    There is no way your grandkids will ever be able to reproduce that experience. They are visiting you at Retirecrest listening to the album through your carefully coddled and patched McIntosh amp, but all they see is a drooling old guy with a recording that hisses and pops. That 1973 experience was yours and yours alone.

  7. People don't understand what digital music is by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

    The problem is that people think digital results in a different waveform than the original analog waveform. They can't understand how you can go from a stairstep digital signal to a smooth analog signal, and incorrectly conclude that something must be lost when you store music digitally. Yes something is lost, but it's only frequencies higher than Nyquist - half the sampling frequency, which is carefully chosen so the only frequencies lost are those beyond your hearing range (and weren't captured in the original analog recording anyway).

    Monty Montgomery demonstrated this in a video using an analog wave generator, an analog spectrum analyzer, an analog oscilliscope, and A/D and D/A converters. At 20 kHz, the stairstep digital waveform is an awful mess, but after conversion back to analog it's still a perfectly smooth sine wave.

    The mistake people make is thinking that the digital signal is a series of stairsteps. It's not stairsteps, it's just the corners of each stairstep. The sound's value is only defined at each corner. In between the corners, it's undefined. And it turns out that there is only one analog waveform which can be drawn through every one of those corners, yet contain no frequencies higher than Nyquist. So the digital sample of the waveform can perfectly recreate the original analog waveform (within the chose frequency limit).

    Vinyl is the music equivalent of homeopathy.

    1. Re:People don't understand what digital music is by imnotanumber · · Score: 5, Funny

      Vinyl is the music equivalent of homeopathy.

      Well. Not quite... homeopathy would be a track with only the cracks and other noises and then you would imagine that the music is playing.

    2. Re:People don't understand what digital music is by 4wdloop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, you're up to something but you're barking the wrong tree. It is not magic, but for some a highly sophisticated technology is indistinguishable from magic.

      The 'digital' part of the audio systems has nothing to do with quality, and the Solandri's description is rather accurate, if not too technical for slash dot. In fact analog audio systems have rather limited frequency range and dynamic range, much more so than digital ones. Yes overdriven digital system will create nasty artifacts while analog ones would distort like heavy metal amps...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      However, usually in customer digital systems the compression of audio is removing a lot of information from the original and sometimes also introduces audible artifacts.

      So it's not 'digital' that evil but 'mp3'.

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  8. Re:Cassettes? Really? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cassettes more portable? I guess you never experienced the glory of a turntable in your dash...

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  9. Fake CDs by tepples · · Score: 2

    And the ripped WAV files from CDs don't have DRM unless you choose to add your own

    Unless you have a nonconforming disc passed off as a CD instead of a CD.

    1. Re:Fake CDs by dryeo · · Score: 2

      I accidentally bought a couple of those at the thrift store. Ripped fine, though they did take a bit longer due to jitter. That might have just been scratches. But then I don't run Windows and if I did, I'd have autoplay turned off. They're just multi-session.

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  10. Renaissance fair by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

    Renaissance fairs are big in Europe. Everybody dresses like The Gap is 400 years in the future and there is no such thing as medical science. I understand they have a lot of fun.

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    1. Re:Renaissance fair by DrXym · · Score: 2

      Renaissance fairs are big in Europe? I think you'll find that they're mostly a US phenomenon.

  11. MySpace has millions of artists by raymorris · · Score: 2

    MySpace alone has millions of artists.
    Apparently 99% of people don't want to look for good music, they want the record companies to find a few decent songs for for them. I guess that's why they only pay attention to the 0.01% of music that is handled by major labels. That and maybe the production quality.

  12. Kurt Godel, and Archilies by aberglas · · Score: 5, Informative

    But, as the Tortoise points out to Archilies, if the play back device is of sufficiently high fidelity then a cassette could be constructed that will produce resonances that will cause it to self destruct. And no matter how hard Archilies tries to fix his machine, the Tortoise can always produce a new machine destroying tape.

    Has something to do with Godel. And possibly Bach and Escher.

  13. Re:I remember the old days by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

    You forgot how crappy sound systems were in the old days. Today even cheap digital systems can often outperform the best equipment in an old time studio. Now when you get to analog components you might have a point, although there have been huge advances there too.

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  14. Re:I remember the old days by dwywit · · Score: 2

    "Today even cheap digital systems can often outperform the best equipment in an old time studio"

    Err, no. You're quite wrong, there.

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  15. Re:For all it's faults..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A cassette tape will never install a rootkit on your tapedeck.
    Neither will a standard Red Book audio CD.

    They will never be able to take your cassette tapes away from you due to some rights-holder asshattery.
    Neither will they with a standard Red Book audio CD.

    A cassette tape doesn't care what region your playing it in.
    Neither does a standard Red Book audio CD.

    Cool old cars have tape decks.
    My cool old car has a CD changer.

    Creedence is supposed to have those hiss and pop sounds.
    If so, they put it on the master so it should show up on your standard Red Book audio CD.

    Tapes come with cool album art, lryics, and hidden messages.
    So does a standard Red Book audio CD.

    Tapes work offline.
    So does a standard Red Book audio CD.

    Tapes don't report your listening habits, location, duration, sexual preference and political affiliation so some corporation.
    Neither will a standard Red Book audio CD.

    Fuck it, this is too much work... romanticize all you want, just keep it to yourself!

  16. Masochists by DrXym · · Score: 2

    I wonder if people buy these shitty inferior sound formats just so they can waste a lot of money on the equipment and cables needed to make it sound acceptable.

    1. Re:Masochists by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      No. People buy shitty inferior sound formats because record industries have decided to fuck up the releases on technically superior formats rendering the shitty inferior ones as the better product.

      I was actually quite happy when the industry ignored vinyl, however recently there's more interest in that, expect the industry to fuck up this format now too. And then there's the recently industry trend of vinyl only special editions with never before released tracks.

  17. This is just noise by RoloDMonkey · · Score: 2

    Twelve percent growth sounds impressive, but this is like a penny stock having a 50% change in price. It is just noise. In the heydays of vinyl there were individual albums that could sell 9 million copies in one year. Heck, even Billy Ocean sold 2 million copies of "Suddenly": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  18. Confirmation bias by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Take good care of your albums and they will reward you with rich, warm, pop-free sound for a lifetime.

    Not if you actually play them they won't. You are putting a sharp metal needle on a soft plastic record. Even with the best possible care you will inevitably damage the vinyl record merely by playing it even if nothing else goes wrong which is seldom the case. If you think you can avoid this you haven't actually lived with vinyl records or played them with any regularity.

    Eventually some dust gets on them, either a fine layer of white glue or some good light cleaners, or both will take care of that.

    Eventually? Try almost immediately. Dust is everywhere. And dust will be the least of your problems in the long run. Any time you have a media which relies on physical contact it is going to wear and be damaged over time. Vinyl records are no exception to physics.

    I have enough spare tubes to last a lifetime, and when my turntable plays through it it's like a spiritual experience. The warmth and beauty of that has to be experienced.

    I am very dubious your claim would survive a double blind study. And if a turntable playing is a spiritual experience for you then you need to get out more. Sorry, that's a little harsh but you sound like every lunatic audiophile I've ever run into who goes nattering on about "warmth" and "fidelity" and other nonsense that they want to believe they can hear out of confirmation bias. If you love listening to vinyl records on some good old equipment then you be you. But forgive me if I don't share the same appreciation for the "experience".

  19. Cassette?!! by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 2

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Even if you're used to listening to low-fi Youtube bootleg recordings on a cheap phone via $5 drugstore earbuds, cassette's gotta sound really bad. Why? Why would anyone wanna pay money for that?

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