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Yellow Vests Knock Out 60 Percent of All Speed Cameras In France (bbc.com)

Thelasko shares a report from the BBC: Members of the "yellow vests" protest movement have vandalized almost 60% of France's entire speed camera network, the interior minister has said. Christophe Castaner said the willful damage was a threat to road safety and put lives in danger. The protest movement began over fuel tax increases, and saw motorists block roads and motorway toll booths. Some protesters feel speed cameras are solely a revenue-generating measure which takes money from the poor. The BBC's Hugh Schofield, in Paris, said evidence of the vandalism is visible to anyone driving around France, with radar cameras covered in paint or black tape to stop them working.

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  1. Glorious by Quakeulf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now knock out those who run the banks.

    1. Re:Glorious by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They were counterproductive because they weren't violent enough. Clearly, the American Revolution was violent enough to be productive. :)

  2. Hit them in the pocket by Laxator2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Such a large-scale action is not done without some central organization.
    Obviously the union leaders know how much money the bosses pocked from the revenue generated by this cameras.
    By cutting this revenue the bosses are much more likely to listen to their demands.

    Also, it is a case of "You keep our pay low, we can lower your pay"

    1. Re:Hit them in the pocket by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Such a large-scale action is not done without some central organization.

      You'd be surprised how like minded people will copy good ideas from each other. Central organisation would be proven if it all happened at once. The yellow vests however have been best described as copycats at every stage of their protest.

      Oooh look 10 people in Paris occupied a toll booth! A day later you hear about gilets jaunes occupying toll booths over the country. It's very much a monkey see monkey do kind of a movement.

  3. Re:Speed cameras = dishonest taxation by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Informative

    You live in a fucked up place if a contractor can levy random fines without legal recourse.

  4. Re:Speed cameras = dishonest taxation by kilfarsnar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is illegal to drive over the speed limit. If yu break these laws you can be fined. Speed cameras are an automated method of fining people for breaking the law. If you don't want to pay the fine then don't break the law.

    Simple solutions for simple minds. The speed limit on most highways is too low. Modern cars a requite capable; they handle and stop very well. The fact is, traffic flow in my area is regularly at about 80 MPH on the highway, even though the limit is 65. When ~75% of people see no problem with breaking the law, it's not the people who are wrong, it's the law.

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  5. Re:Speed cameras = dishonest taxation by Pascoea · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know how fast I can drive safely. If I'm in error, charge me when I do so.

    Did you really just make the "I should be allowed to drive as fast as I deem safe until I cause an incident." argument?

    That's all speed limits are. People who think they know better.

    Are you under the impression that speed limits are just made up at random? Or are you actually aware that there are scientific methods, formulas, and guidelines used by engineers to determine what the proper speed for a particular stretch of road should be?

  6. Re:speed cameras are a revenue source by dfghjk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Depends on what the speed limits are. You like to pretend that's not part of the equation but it's essential to this form of taxation.

    Also, it simply doesn't work this way except for sociopaths like you. People drive at speeds reasonable for prevailing conditions and drivers are consistent in their perception of safe speeds. When speed limits are reasonable, compliance is high. When limits become sufficiently low, drivers tend to ignore them. Governments exploit this when they set limits. They want an adequate supply of speeders so they deliberately set limits too low. If they aren't getting enough, they lower limits. Happens everywhere in the US.

    Understanding this, it's clear to see that the cost of this is actually high. People waste time, safety is actually worse and expensive infrastructure is underutilized.

  7. Re:And as a result drivers are speeding up by dfghjk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "30% more french drivers are breaking the law and putting others life in danger"

    If you set the limit to 0 then 100% of drivers will break the law, yet that doesn't put "others life in danger". This is nothing but rhetoric.

    The percentage of drivers speeding is an indicator of the reasonableness of the limits, not of the behavior of the drivers. This has been known since at least the 70's, likely much longer.

  8. Re:Speed cameras by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean like this study which says they reduce accidents and fatalities? http://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Late...

    Or maybe the one that specifically looked at Arizona and found no difference in number of collisions (though didn't look at injuries) and certainly didn't find a negative impact? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

    Maybe you want a wide spread study of some 550 speed cameras which showed a reduction in accidents and fatalities and at the same time directly looked at the very speed cameras that the Daily Mail and some other worthless rags claimed (incorrectly) increased accidents? https://www.theguardian.com/uk...

    Or this one from America that said also accidents are reduced and overall driver behaviour in the area improves: https://www.dailysignal.com/20...

    I would give you result number 5 from my Google search but it's the same study as result number 2 and I don't want to waste your time.

  9. Re:Bout time by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Vive la France" is the correct writing.

    Overall this shows that there's a threshold on how high pressure the politicians can put on the population. They often tend to forget that they actually are placed there to serve the citizens, not being the masters.

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