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Lenovo And Dell Seeing PC Growth in US, But CPU Shortage Takes A Toll On Overall Market (crn.com)
Lenovo's resurgence in the U.S. PC market continued during the final quarter of 2018 with gains in both shipments and market share, while Dell also saw growth in the fourth quarter in spite of supply chain and market challenges, according to research firm Gartner. From a report: It marked the third quarter in a row that Lenovo enjoyed strong growth in the U.S. PC market, solidifying the company's position as the No. 3 player in the market ahead of Apple and Microsoft--but still trailing well behind HP and Dell. However, overall PC shipments in the U.S. slid 4.5 percent during the fourth quarter compared to the same period a year earlier, Gartner reported. In a news release, Gartner analyst Mikako Kitagawa blamed the decline in part on market uncertainties -- given that the quarter is "typically a buying season" for businesses looking to use up budget money by the end of the year.
I haven't seen a lot of discussion about when an I7-8700 is faster than the new I7. Whereas threadrippers are going in the opposite direction.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Intel is up shit creek good thing they locked apple into no AMD.
this CPU shortage is only for Intel CPUs. AMD's Ryzen platform is not experiencing supply chain problems at all, but the likelyhood anyone at Lenovo or Dell has the muscle to steer the ship away from Intel is pretty slim.
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The first time I heard about this, I tought it was a completely idiotic way to manage money that can only insure ALL the fucking money will be spent.
Seriously, who came up with that "solution" to managing funds in a company? This sounds like something first-graders would come up with.
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However the thing is most employees already have their own devices. It isn't like the 1980's where it was a big deal for someone to have their own Computer, especially something compatible with the business, nearly everyone has their own computer that is powerful enough to do the work they need to do.
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Not with stupid keyboard and layouts where you accidentally keep pressing page up/down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... – and not artificially throttling AMD Ryzen to make the Intel models look better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
is they're selling CPUs without the iGPU. Meaning they're talking CPUs with bad GPUs and putting them on the market. That tells me AMD is really putting pressure on them since they haven't done this in the past in order to keep chip prices high.
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As long as memory costs about four times as much as it should the PC sales will not "take off" again.
guess devs for games better stop pandering to the streamers and think more about the people that buy there shit
However the thing is most employees already have their own devices
That's no help for people outside the "most", particularly someone seeking a job to earn the money with which to buy a desktop or laptop computer in the first place.
You can buy a serviceable used laptop on Craigslist for a under $100, and I often see computers listed in âoefree stuffâ core2 or even I series processors.
You can buy a serviceable used laptop on Craigslist for a under $100
For example, I bought a ThinkPad X61 tablet laptop with a Core 2 Duo CPU on eBay for $101 shipped. But for some, finding that $100 before a job may itself cause a problem.
There's this company called "AMD". They make a chip called "Ryzen", and even another one called "Epyc". Now, I know those words are all scary and such, but don't be afraid! You too can make computers with them, and keep both volume and profits up!
Crazy, I know, but true!
Still sort of flatlined with only a couple positive quarters. You start running benchmarks and realize nothing is improving that much. I sort of felt Intel and AMD are just slapping on more cores as a way to say they have improved. If you doing low impact tasks you don't need more and more cores. You will never notice the difference from a good duel core CPU.
just a shortage of Intel CPUs...
Its not peak PC for a few more generations. New CPU designs from new upgraded factory production lines will we ok for a while longer.
Its just someone has to pay for and design the new production lines.
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there will be no deficit. The current bunch run 40-60 per cent throttled all the time. It's just like when Intel got caught paying vendors, benchmarkers, ... to discriminate against AMD and had to pay a billion in fines all over again.
Peak PC was 2012. The PC market declined at a 4% compound annual rate after that. Unknown if this will continue.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
The new CPU and GPU designs will be fine for a few more years.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The PC market is still big, one of the world's biggest markets. New products are still coming out. But it is shrinking, so far it has shrunk 25% from its peak. This is the meaning of "peak", just to be clear.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Peak PC will happen when a CPU and GPU cant out perform the last generation at a price.
Until then the market will move up and down with changes in CPU and GPU demand.
That "peak" will move up and down with the demands of math, the skill of designers, what people expect from advanced new content and games.
4K, 5K, 8K video encoding and decoding is on the way at consumer prices.
4K, 5K and 8K computer game support at the expected refresh rates will need new hardware support.
The ability to store, work with and encode large video files. Not having to wait days/hours for 4k/8K projects to be ready and miss a news cycle/product review.
Photography, movies, video clips, games and other new products and services will push CPU and GPU demand.
Low cost new 4K and 8K displays will need new content.
Thats all good until existing CPU design hits real physics with new limits soon and someone has to really invest in a very different production line.
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No, sorry, peak PC already happened six years ago. This is reality, not sure what you're going on about.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Another gerneration is going to need to work on their 4K and 5K and 8K content.
That will need powerful computers... again. Just like past generations found with HD content and new codecs.
Every decade feels it has its own special "peak PC" due to low sales numbers until everyone creative, interesting and smart needs a new powerful computer.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The new CPU and GPU designs will be fine for a few more years.
No. Looking at PC sales it's clear we've peaked. Moore's law is finished. We've only seen incremental improvements in processor designs. If you look closely at their specs you'll see that die area has ballooned in the last few generations of chips in order to compensate.
You can't make a processor with a die area larger than your smartphone and still expect it to fit in a phone. In a PC the cost for larger dies becomes huge as yield plummets. We'll see new chips that are more powerful, but they will be for scientific computational problems only.
Some will be making content while most just consume it. This decade doesn't just feel like peak PC, the numbers back it up. There is nothing comparable in earlier PC history.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.