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Americans Want To Regulate AI But Don't Trust Anyone To Do It (technologyreview.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: In 2018, several high-profile controversies involving AI served as a wake-up call for technologists, policymakers, and the public. The technology may have brought us welcome advances in many fields, but it can also fail catastrophically when built shoddily or applied carelessly. It's hardly a surprise, then, that Americans have mixed support for the continued development of AI and overwhelmingly agree that it should be regulated, according to a new study from the Center for the Governance of AI and Oxford University's Future of Humanity Institute. These are important lessons for policymakers and technologists to consider in the discussion on how best to advance and regulate AI, says Allan Dafoe, director of the center and coauthor of the report. "There isn't currently a consensus in favor of developing advanced AI, or that it's going to be good for humanity," he says. "That kind of perception could lead to the development of AI being perceived as illegitimate or cause political backlashes against the development of AI."

70 comments

  1. Simple Solution by AdamStarks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Create an AI to regulator!

    1. Re:Simple Solution by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      We need an AI as an arbitrator. By using this AI, you waive any right to sue individually or through a class action lawsuit. You agree that any dispute will be resolved through the AI arbitrator and such resolution will be binding legally in any applicable jurisdiction. You forfeit any right to sue the AI for any reason and agree to be irrevocably bound to whatever the arbitrator AI decides.

    2. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This one is easy. See you all in the Carribean. Don't forget to bring your crypto!

      Meet you there for all the AI work that will be happening!

    3. Re: Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AI as a concept or advance in industry will have an incredible on the world and how we value computing. In an individual product, well, you might want to get a list of what exactly the capabilities are before getting to scared or too excited. Those robots that build cars were once feared

    4. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're joking right, but what makes you think that an AI would be any better than people at this specific task? AI are great at processing truthy things but would generally be crap at taking a complex set of inputs and deciding what is reasonable.

    5. Re:Simple Solution by Holi · · Score: 1

      Crypto? Well I guess in a couple of months I'll be able to afford, well all of it.

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    6. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, who gets to program this thing and set its priorities?

    7. Re:Simple Solution by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      AI doesn't need a specific regulator, they just need to be held legally responsible when they test their products on the public without first reasonably assessing how safe they are & determining what precautions & insurance are necessary if something does go wrong. Being run over by a car driven by a computer or a squirrel should be no different in the eyes of the law. If it was reckless, then the person who ultimately makes the decision to put the AI or the squirrel in charge gets prosecuted & sued. Also, remember that even the most advanced AI is a lot less intelligent than a squirrel.

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  2. I know the perfect person! by zippo01 · · Score: 2

    My vote goes to John Connor!

    1. Re:I know the perfect person! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we need to invent the time machine first, otherwise Kyle Reese will never make it back in time to be the father of John Conner!

      So, anyone working on a time machine with enough power to displace a human being through time and space? Assuming we can get the temporal portal to jump a minimum of 5 years, that's a jump of more than 5yr*365days*24hrs*43,000mph of the solar system, roughly 1,883,400,000 miles give or take a few galactic gravitational anomalies. The necessary spatial and temporal resolution to pinpoint the location of the jump point across time between these two times and locations across the galaxy as the solar system travels through space, with galactic influences is far beyond our abilities at the moment... Anyone hazard a guess on when we're going to be able to be able to target a foot or two feet location across roughly 2 billion miles of space-time? I mean even with a minute of time travel, that's still ~7829.277miles (~12600km) displacement of the solar system, I'll ignore the earth's rotation and earth's orbital displacements for simplicity.

      Who's working on space-time displacement worm-tunnels with the required precision??? I'm going to assume the required energy to jump even the distance is beyond the entire human power grid at the moment? Or do we have any estimates on the energy to displace matter through 2 billion miles of space????

    2. Re:I know the perfect person! by sconeu · · Score: 1

      We could have Isaac Asimov (or Dr. Susan Calvin) do it!

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  3. Warren G and Nate Dogg by nwaack · · Score: 1

    REGULATORS!!!!

  4. Make Apple Pay for it. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    I propose that AI be thrown in a walled garden, and let's make Apple pay for it.

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    1. Re:Make Apple Pay for it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot.

    2. Re: Make Apple Pay for it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s funny I will repeat it on multiple other boards one day thank you very much

  5. Most Americans don't know what AI is by OffTheLip · · Score: 1

    Count me as one of them and I was a CS major. Seems like everything is lumped in with AI now.

    1. Re:Most Americans don't know what AI is by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

      Haven't you heard? Elon Musk says we're "summoning the demon"!

    2. Re:Most Americans don't know what AI is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but we americans do know (well, all of us except the ~ 20% that are red hat wearing idiots or think trump is god's gift), by current example in the white house, how absolutely and totally fucking incompetent and corrupted the 'government' can be

    3. Re:Most Americans don't know what AI is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's because most humans aren't even intelligent enough to know what intelligence is... How are we supposed to create intelligence if we don't know what it is and we keep calling ourselves "intelligent"?

    4. Re:Most Americans don't know what AI is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > well, all of us except the ~ 20% that are red hat wearing idiots or think trump is god's gift

      They think everyone else in government is corrupted, and every president except Trump was corrupt, so they know too technically.

    5. Re:Most Americans don't know what AI is by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      There isn't a good definition. What was once AI is now being called strong AI or general AI. What we have is more like a process similar to panning for gold, we've created a logical process whereby we toss chaos into a slurry and agitate it looking for the gold to sift to the bottom. Once that is working we take the concept and scale it up to a sluice. It's no more intelligent than that, but we can keep dumping dirt in and it will take care of separating out the gold for us with some margin of error.

  6. Wait ...what? by theCat · · Score: 1

    Does this mean Americans are getting wise to the con of continuous and benevolent progress?

    Pics or it never happened.

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    1. Re:Wait ...what? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Does this mean Americans are getting wise to the con of continuous and benevolent progress?

      That or have watched the Terminator movies too many times.

  7. AI nutters by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    What is with all the AI nutters here? Do people really think AI exists? I am sure that "Center for the Governance of AI and Oxford University's Future of Humanity Institute." wants to regulate it, it means money for them and it beats having to get a real job. Here is a big shocker: AI doesn't exist. Siri, et al are just voice recognition systems hooked up to a database with a voice synthesizer. All of this stuff has been around.

    1. Re:AI nutters by nw_rad · · Score: 1

      AI has been 20 years in the future since the 1960s.

    2. Re:AI nutters by suutar · · Score: 2

      I don't know if people think "real AI" (insert your definition here) really exists, but there's certainly some "the computer makes the decision, humans just get to see the results" in play, and in some cases the humans don't know enough about the current state of the innards of the black box to be able to predict the decision. I'm not worried about robot revolution, but I am somewhat concerned that folks will get turned down for loans, insurance, what have you for reasons that no human can explain, validate, and/or correct.

  8. I just wrote a hello world neural network by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

    I just wrote a hello world neural network and didn't register it with the government! Did I just commit a felony?

    1. Re:I just wrote a hello world neural network by BlackOverflow · · Score: 1

      Sir, I believe that is a crime against humanity. Please report to the local commisar.

    2. Re:I just wrote a hello world neural network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But did it mine Bitcoins while printing stdio? Mining cryptocoins will be in the text buffer describing the elements of the said crime any time now for the asymptotically infinite power use and depriving innocent players from their GPUs.

  9. When AI is outlawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only outlaws will have AI.

  10. Not possible by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    AI is software so is not that hard for someone with a bit of money to get hold of and use. Yes: you need some expertise, software can be copied & modified to taste, the hardware is cheap & readily available. Who do they want to stop getting hold of it ? Easily obtainable & affordable by governments, terrorists & Bond villains.

    1. Re:Not possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If by "affordable" you mean free, then sure. There are numerous libraries for many open source languages out there. In fact, they've been around since the 90s and prior.

      Technically even the manual calculation of minimax and linear regression by bankers in the 20s was AI/ML type math.

  11. Let Microsoft Do It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are already the de facto government of computing.

  12. Easiest Solution Ever by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    Ban all AI research until we understand how to do it without being shitbags (e.g. after we've reached post-scarcity and won't be "trusting" megacorps not to try to enslave it,) if other countries research it nuke them, without mercy, just wipe out every single citizen they have. There's no way to morally develop AI in the modern world, it simply shouldn't be done. When we're able (psychologically, culturally, economically, AND practically) to do it and treat it no differently from a person we'll be ready, until then slaughter anyone who attempts it.

    1. Re:Easiest Solution Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ban all AI research until we understand how to do it without being shitbags (e.g. after we've reached post-scarcity and won't be "trusting" megacorps not to try to enslave it,) if other countries research it nuke them, without mercy, just wipe out every single citizen they have. There's no way to morally develop AI in the modern world, it simply shouldn't be done. When we're able (psychologically, culturally, economically, AND practically) to do it and treat it no differently from a person we'll be ready, until then slaughter anyone who attempts it.

      You speak of morally developing AI while championing a zero-tolerance kill 'em all nuke policy? You make Trump look like 10th grade soy boy pussy with that fucking attitude.

      "...treat it no differently from a person we'll be ready..."

      Ready? Obviously you haven't noticed that we humans act like shitbags towards each other on a daily basis. I'm sure we'll treat AI the same. Or worse.

    2. Re:Easiest Solution Ever by Paxtez · · Score: 1

      This has to be a troll. You know any sort of "real" AI is VERY far off. We are not even a little close. Not in
      All our 'AI' falls into one of two categories: 1) If / Then / Else type statements, 2) Rapid trial and error to solve this very specific narrow problem.

      Google's Deepmind Go program is no closer to taking over the world than an average 3 year old.

      Throwing more CPU cycles or RAM will not make it suddenly "smart".

      I would be very surprised if we get anything remotely in the same ballpark as "smart" in our lifetimes.

      But machine learning can have awesome positive effects on society.

    3. Re:Easiest Solution Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're kidding me, AI is being heavily developed by all countries for "defense" e.g. war.

    4. Re:Easiest Solution Ever by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      We don't know how close we are to developing intelligence. Neurons are more complicated than transistors, but transistors are a lot faster. And relatively simple animals (in terms of number of neurons) exhibit some pretty complex behavior. A frog's got roughly three orders of magnitude less neurons than we have, but it still manages to have fairly complex behavior, like territoriality. We could conceivably also glue logic onto an artificial intelligence that would effectively make it more intelligent by providing functionality which normally requires a bigger brain.

      I'm not proposing any timelines, but do we really have enough data to pooh-pooh the idea that it could happen soon enough that it's worth talking about the ramifications now? Nerds have been doing it for ages already.

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    5. Re:Easiest Solution Ever by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      You speak of morally developing AI while championing a zero-tolerance kill 'em all nuke policy? You make Trump look like 10th grade soy boy pussy with that fucking attitude.

      Thanks, I think. But in all seriousness, the threat of making a race of AI that want us dead or even a single AI controlled to enslave Humanity is so extreme that killing 99% of the Human population to stop all AI development before we are ready for it would be the less-evil alternative if it were necessary. You're talking about a comparison of "everyone" or "everyone but the 1 dictator who controls it" vs "some number less than everyone minus 1." The numbers don't lie, morality here is entirely quantifiable.

      Ready? Obviously you haven't noticed that we humans act like shitbags towards each other on a daily basis. I'm sure we'll treat AI the same. Or worse.

      And thus why the sensible solution is to not make it until we're ready to treat it as a person and not have it working to slaughter everyone as a result.

    6. Re:Easiest Solution Ever by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      This has to be a troll. You know any sort of "real" AI is VERY far off.

      That's not a justification to allow the most corrupt organizations on the planet inch toward it.

    7. Re:Easiest Solution Ever by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      You're kidding me, AI is being heavily developed by all countries for "defense" e.g. war.

      And then? We can nuke them all, it would be less destructive than even a single super-Human AI bent on wiping out Humanity.

  13. How do you even "regulate" AI? by the_skywise · · Score: 2

    There's not even standardized definitions of AI internals yet so I'm not sure how you write regulations that could easily be understood by those implementing the AI to begin with.
    Sure there's the old "don't be evil" (we see how that turned out) and non-military AI shouldn't kill but beyond that? So long as they're still subject to the laws and regulations of what a normal human would be doing that the AI replaces I'm not sure there's much else that can be done currently
    AIs should not cold call people after 8pm in their timezone.
    AIs should always say please and thank you
    I'm flashing back to that scene in Robocop 2 after the civics board got done adding 100 "prime" directives to his software.

    1. Re:How do you even "regulate" AI? by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      You really don't regulate it. You just get a bunch of useless chuckle fucks together that don't provide any real value and invariably end up being corrupted by monied interests. So you ultimately end up with the least morally scrupulous companies doing what they want anyway, but now the tax payer has to foot the bill for some additional useless paper pushers.

    2. Re:How do you even "regulate" AI? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      You missed the part where the companies then use those regulators to create barriers to entry into their industry.

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    3. Re:How do you even "regulate" AI? by the_skywise · · Score: 1

      Step 4. Profit!

    4. Re:How do you even "regulate" AI? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The entirely standard definition of AI is "Artificial Intelligence". This definition doesn't necessarily mean as much as it should to many people only because the definition of what constitutes "intelligence" may be fuzzy.

      But simply put, if something has intelligence, and that intelligence is not naturally caused, then it is AI, by definition.

    5. Re:How do you even "regulate" AI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually this should be about regulating algorithmic decision making, the resulting actions, the monitoring of such actions and so on. The financial sector has apparently already done some work on this. The issue is the increasing control of human lives and their qualitative outcomes with automated systems that do not understand the concept of constitutional rights but do draw opaque conclusions of data that is being collected by infringing the natural right of privacy of the citizens.

    6. Re:How do you even "regulate" AI? by Holi · · Score: 1

      Fuck me, that joke finally worked.

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    7. Re:How do you even "regulate" AI? by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      There's not even standardized definitions of AI internals yet so I'm not sure how you write regulations that could easily be understood by those implementing the AI to begin with.

      The concern is with ML which I think we can come up with a decent working definition. Here's my first attempt after 30 seconds "a decision procedure determined by a weighting system where the weights have been derived through a training data set and where a human is unable to predict/justify/explain the particular values that were assigned to the majority of those weights".

      The concern is that for whatever reason - inexpressiveness of the neural network, or inadequate selection of the training set - the decision procedure ends up with decisions that are reasonable to it, but which a human when faced with this particular decision would evaluate that it violated some basic human right or similar.

      I'd start by regulating it in specific areas, e.g. "if a person has been denied a loan, they are entitled to a written explanation for the grounds/criteria that went into that decision". The answer "our neural net said so" isn't an explanation and doesn't provide grounds/criteria. The answer "your credit score is below 500" would be fine. The answer "our neural net said so, and a human reviewed it, and based on the following reasons supports the neural net's answer" would also be fine.

    8. Re:How do you even "regulate" AI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because when we say "AI" we're referring to programs built for a specific purpose. When Joe Q. Public hears us say "AI" he thinks of Lt. Commander Data or some other science fiction Human like AI. As a result, we have people scared out of their minds because that's what we do in the US and and as such here's the demands for regulation.

      Of course given that mindset, you really have to ask what exactly does Joe Q. Public want here? Because by his definition the "AI" being regulated is basically Human, self-aware and all of that. So by "regulating" an "AI", does he mean teach it basic human social skills and what the society it lives in considers acceptable behavior? Or does Joe Q. Public mean effectively mind control over what it can and cannot think? Because if it's the latter, and we know the whole three laws thing is crap, how does he intend to implement his regulations? A massive filter of pre-approved terms and definitions? A confirmation screen for every virtual thought? How about a constant monitoring system reporting every virtual thought to Cyber Command for review? This makes no damn sense. The best option is the same one we use for real Humans, learning. But given the fear of Joe Q. Public, I would expect an uprising over his regulations well before I'd expect it with the normal way.

      Of course, this is all pointless anyway, as the "AI" that Joe Q. Public is thinking about does not exist yet. So his demands for regulations are pure BS created by some fear-mongering campaign and marketing buzzwords changing definitions. Can we can the "AI" buzzword use now? All these regulations are going to do is make it more difficult for real AI to be developed within the US. Which to those marketers out there means: When AI does get invented you won't be the ones driving it, because it got made at another company.

    9. Re:How do you even "regulate" AI? by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

      A good chunk of all computer programs ever written do "algorithmic decision making".
      That's a lot to regulate.
      We better narrow it down.

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  14. AI by any other name... by eford49 · · Score: 1

    It doesn't help that the media (and politicians) in their ignorance and quest for hyperbole have begun referring to anything done via software as AI.

  15. The Blockchain should regulate AI.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What could possibly go wrong there...

  16. Re:I just wrote a hello world pubic network by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    I just wrote a hello world pubic network and didn't register it with the government! Did I just commit a felony?

    Now that might get you into trouble . . . especially when you display it at your local mall.

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  17. It's ok by meglon · · Score: 1

    General Brewster is all over this.

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    1. Re:It's ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, Mortimer!

      drink your Elderberry wine.

  18. Ever notice that those who want to by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

    regulate something. Always have studies saying "Everyone wants and agrees that X should be regulated" IE Controlled by government!
    So the "Center for the Governance of AI" says Americans want AI regulated.
    What a crock, most Americans are trying to figure out how to play some game on their phone or get their Alexa, etc to do something that will be fun for about 5 minutes. And they are often not able to figure it out.

    Just my 2 cents ;).

    1. Re:Ever notice that those who want to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the politicians are the ones most worried. Did anyone catch the news about someone at a Seattle TV station that manipulated the recent presidential crisis speech? They made his face orange and had him sticking his tongue out and licking his lips on a live feed. This is the type of shit that I would think scares the hell out of them.

  19. In soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the AI regulates you!

  20. Americans by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

    Just get over your irrational fear of regulations. If you don't trust the government you voted for to come up with reasonable regulation, maybe it's time you started looking at yourselves and who you vote for and why you vote (or, don't, in both cases). It's your own fucking fault if you vote based on a candidate's likeability rather than realability.

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    1. Re:Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost no part of the regulatory apparatus is impacted by votes. It endures to remain captured regardless of who gets elected. The regulatory state is largely immune from the will of either elected executives or legislatures; it frequently ignores and undermines the latter, often to great applause. And the present "shutdown" fiction isn't a counterpoint; the bulk of the state is exempt and no actual income is ever really denied to the staff when these end. It's an extended holiday.

  21. American's want regulation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone should tell Trump he's been wrong then. I thought American's hated regulations more then anything else.

  22. Confusing by Visarga · · Score: 2

    The term AI is confusing. They should have asked individually about: face recognition, self driving cars, automated shops, machine translation, voice assistants, ML based genetic research, content recommendation/filtering systems and so on. Then people would have given more precise answers. But if you frame it with the term AI, people think Terminator and Skynet.

    1. Re:Confusing by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      That's okay, none of those things you mentioned actually use any form of intelligence, artificial or otherwise. AI is a just buzzword thrown onto algorythms and techniques invented decades that largely haven't delivered on the promise of AI.

  23. Tech Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is at least partially the result of tech company scandals as of late. Can anyone really vouch for Facebook to write laws regulating this research when considering how the company kept a whitelist of clients exempt from their privacy standards? Microsoft and google for profitting off of building surveillance tools for agencies for profit? The doom-and-gloom predictions made by rich technocrats posing themselves as quasi-religious prophets telling us to either fear or worship AIs as deities; ironic considering the atheism of many of these demagogues.
    Tech really needs to start disassociating themselves from the weirdoes and focus on regaining the trust of the public if it wants to let the public trust them to regulate AI. There isnt much positive pr coming from the tech industry these days, so perhaps its time they disrupt themselves, otherwise someone else will.

  24. What about Emilio Esteves? by dkman · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:What about Emilio Esteves? by nwaack · · Score: 1

      +5 informative. I never knew where that sample came from, now I do. Thank you, sir.

  25. Time machines that rest on the ground by tepples · · Score: 1

    But we need to invent the time machine first, otherwise Kyle Reese will never make it back in time to be the father of John Conner!

    Is this heading toward a Roseanne/Terminator crossover?

    Some SF works have solved the space part of spacetime travel by requiring the vehicle to rest on the ground, thereby remaining coupled to the destination through gravity and friction. These include at least H. G. Wells's The Time Machine and Shane Carruth's Primer.

    1. Re: Time machines that rest on the ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s playing with the speed of time, one can probably go forward but to go back in time would require one to reverse the chemical entropy gradient and directionality of every atom/subatomic elementsâ(TM) time direction... hmm assuming you have to build the damn gravity and location coherent anchor before you can go back to it in time, I donâ(TM)t think itâ(TM)ll work for the father of the rebellion against the machines, John Conner will always be sci-fi.

      Next nomination for leader of the rebellion, or did Trump and his ability to screw up any form of functional progress make him the pseudo-leader of the future because he alone will stop any good technological progress and government funding of any progress that might help bring about future technologies?