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Aaron Swartz's Federal Judge Gives Anonymous Hacker 10 Years In Prison For DDoS Attacks On Children's Hospitals (zdnet.com)
Danngggg writes: Many will remember Martin Gottesfeld since he was arrested on a speedboat coming from Cuba. He volunteered at trial that he and his wife had just been denied political asylum by Castro. Gottesfeld has said he did it to defend the life of an innocent child named Justina Pelletier. On Thursday, the same judge that over saw the Aaron Swartz case sentenced the Anonymous hacktivist to 10 years in federal prison for a DDoS of Boston Children's Hospital, Harvard-affiliated hospitals, and Wayside Youth and Family. The sentence included $440,000 in restitution, 3 years supervised release, and other conditions. The week before, Gottesfeld docketed a 690-page affidavit (including exhibits) documenting the judge's conflicts of interest and why he doesn't belong anywhere near the case. That's available on the FreeMartyG website. Local news spoke to his wife after the sentencing hearing as well.
This guy was trying to DDoS hospitals. I can't think of any excuse that would actually excuse that, and "doing it to save some child's life" is flat out unbelievable. If it takes him 680 pages to document "conflicts of interest", I have to think there is a lot of smoke being blown to inflate that page count, and probably not much fire.
The 680 pages is because lawyer scum get paid per hour.
Fat document = nice fees = profit.
What I was thinking as well, except unless it is a question of who writes all these freakin documents, I imagine there are at least a few people that can write them in far fewer pages.
So you come here and spread lies? You don't know, so say that. You didn't read the 600 page document. Also, to me a 600 page document feels like they went thru their due diligence. If it was 10 pages something would be wrong.
But no, here you are, with no facts in hand, stating your opinion like it's facts. Fuck off already, we need less people like you.
I suggest you look up the reason WHY he ddosed the hospital. He had his reasons. Not saying they were right or wrong. But everything isn't black and white like you make it out to be. Also, he wasn't doing this to multiple children hospitals, only one, and he had his reasons.
Haha sounds like a law they write really long and complicated for some reason and pass it and then they dont k ow how to change it because nobody ever became an expert at changing laws just writing them. Funny that a longer document probably isnt any more useful, about as useless as no document at all
Liar liar pants on fire! Oh nooooooo! Assmunch donâ(TM)t you think we can see past your lies?!
no he going to the place where you just have to kick someones ass day 1
The 680 pages is because lawyer scum get paid per hour.
Fat document = nice fees = profit.
That too. But it's also addressing the issue from every angle because this case will be used in the future. I had a law professor (IA-NOT-AL!) tell us to write our papers as if someone was there saying, "Yeah, but how about ...." on every side of the argument. There's an acronym for the method that I cannot remember. You basically have to look at the argument on as many sides as you can possibly think. It was fucking tedious and it made me realize that I did NOT want to be a lawyer.
Who knows who is going to use the "saving a child's life" excuse in the future for their criminal behavior.
he practicing kicking now - top of his class in kicking wit the wrong foot
So you think that because there are 690 pages, that's evidence that there's no evidence supporting his claims, even without you bothering to look? Gee. Granted DDOS'ing hospitals is shitty, but your methodology isn't exactly judicial.
Vindictive people have no place in any branch of the government. I will however note that executing a DDoS attack on a hospital is beyond despicable and does justify a strict intervention which effectively prevents a repeat and removes any and all gains, past, present and future, resulting from the crime.
If it takes him 680 pages to document "conflicts of interest", I have to think there is a lot of smoke being blown to inflate that page count, and probably not much fire.
Basically, The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Reminds me of the (literally) hundreds of Tweets I've seen from some idiot saying something about "no collusion" ...
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
No reasons are acceptable. He had other avenue of protest but chose to attack a hospital.
That's like shooting up an ER because someone you knew had a bad outcome. He, and you, need the rope.
Did you read the document AT ALL, or are you summarizing it from a position of ignorance and quoting Hamlet via wikipedia like a moron? Honestly you're better than this.
The "document" is garbage. I read it. I've seen less shit in an overflowing outhouse.
U mad bro?
No, he's going into the Feds on a 10 year sentence for a computer crime not related to sex offense or pedophilia.
Since it looks like he's east coast in all respects, he'll likely go to either Butner or Allenwood, maybe Lexington if he has health problems. 10 years with no criminal history and no violence means he'll probably be eligible for Low Security. The key to success at these places is to keep to yourself for a week while you figure out who is who. Then just treat everyone with respect, show that your word is good, and stay away from drama (e.g. guards, rats, pedophiles). Doing these three things is known as 'keeping your face clean'.
Deciding ahead of time that you are going to kick someone's ass your first day in Federal Prison is a good way to get your ass kicked by someone who's been doing it for years. Alternatively, if you do kick someone's ass, you might be the recipient of a lock-on-a-sock from one of his friends.
The FBOP is very different from the various state systems. Maybe in some states that would be a good strategy.
Murderers can be paroled after 7 years, so 10 years in prison for a computer crime seems harsh.
They could put an ankle monitor on him, and he can spend 10 years cleaning bedpans in the hospitals he DDoSed. He would be contributing to society instead of a drain on the system.
Prisons should only be for people that are physically dangerous. For everyone else, there are more constructive punishments.
First, the government taking kids away from their parents, in violation of their constitutional rights, is a never-ending source of violence between the public and government. I don't need to mention the police and sheriffs don't want to get involved in a lot of that. The correct check on that power is a jury trial, not just because it's guarunateed by the constitution as custody is a right that cannot be taken away without due process, but also because ultimately, its the public that has to bore the fallout of the violence and drama that these kinds of situations produce. If the situation is dire, charge the parents, put them through a speedy trial, this is reasonable. I've seen news stories just like this since the 90's and the body count from this shit has to literally thousands of cops, parents and kids a year. Enough is enough. We need to fix this.
Understand, the reason he attacked the hospital is because he genuinely thought the hospital was unduley enriching itself by kidnapping children. And if they were, what mechanisms exist in society to stop that? Lawsuits? They're generally immune. Administrative oversight? When was the last time a doctor was tried and convicted for malpractice? About the only check and balance, sadly, is lead. That is a serious problem and needs to change.
Second, this is an impressive 86-page handwritten letter and hundreds of pages of news articles and other research. He's got enough here to show the judges are being paid and we need to start getting polices and sherrifs involved to investigate and ensure we don't have a pedophilia ring operating here, or something worse.
The difference here is that he's going into the Feds. There is no parole in the Feds, except for convictions prior to 1987 or military convictions.
If he does not lose any of his good time for disciplinary infractions he will do about 87% of his sentence, so about 8 years, 9 months.
Sentences tend to be longer in the Feds, but the treatment tends to be better (not 100% of the time) and there is generally less violence.
Having said all of that, I agree with you that we should seriously rethink how we use prisons.
There's two separate issues, his crimes, and a judge's appropriateness to hear the case without recusal due to conflict of interest. They are not related. If the judge has conflicts that later surface, it can vacate the judgment.
The "rope" is reserved for traitors like Drumpftards. FTFY.
> Prisons should only be for people that are physically dangerous. For everyone else, there are more constructive punishments.
I would say attacking the systems used to care for critically ill children is physically dangerous. I'm sure the doctors and nurses did their best to care for the kids despite the attacks; I'm also sure that they use computerized systems to improve the quality of care.
You mentioned parole. He can get time off for good behavior.
I don't necessarily have an opinion on what his sentence should be, and I don't know if that is controlled by what some other person got for some other crime. I don't know enough about the facts of the case, ornhis history. Sentencing decisions are also just plain very difficult. I do see this as physically dangerous, taking out the hospital's electronic systems reduces their ability to care for very sick children.
I also note that someone who has already attacked a children's hospital has demonstrated that they are able and willing to harm sick kids. I don't really want to give him a chance to see what he does next. I particularly don't want to trust him hanging out in the very hospitals he attacked, which he now has even more rage against since it's their fault he's sentenced to his prison (in his mind). I wouldn't want him anywhere near my kid if she were hospitalized.
Clearly you don't know the case. He did, in fact, save said children's life.
The problem is that the summary assumed everybody knew the case. Giving a little information on that, on how long the ddos lasted, of the actual damages, etc would be much better than what happened in the summary.
one the right wing press ran with heavily. It's not an uncommon thing and I can't tell if there's anything to the stories. Too often when you've got a kid not getting treatment it's because of religious parents who want to take them home and pray until they die. There's a sizeable portion of folks on the right wing that support allowing this. Some of them are insane but well meaning but there's quite a few who are just using it as one more distraction and one more thing to get the rubes worked up about.
It's frustrating because that kind of propaganda can take already unstable people who aren't getting the treatment they need and push them over the edge. You get it a lot with abortion and there's lots of abortion doctors who routinely fear for their lives, especially down south.
That said, like I said I can't tell if the Pelletier case is another example of that or if it's a real case of a hospital overreaching it's mandate. I'm inclined to think the former though as the few cases I've read about where the parents said "We just want to take our child to another doctor" it later came out they were lying.
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Did you read the document AT ALL, or are you summarizing it from a position of ignorance and quoting Hamlet via wikipedia like a moron?
Stop trolling /. Martin, you're in enough trouble as it is :-)
[ And I was simply summarizing and commenting on the parent's comment, not the actual issues. Sorry if that was unclear. ]
Honestly you're better than this.
You must be new here. :-)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
The "document" is garbage. I read it. I've seen less shit in an overflowing outhouse.
If you managed to get through that whole thing you got more stamina than me. But you know when you got gems like 98 and 99 where he's bitching about his last two lawyers who withdrew and in 101 about a motion denied when representing himself. I mean if you're switching lawyers more often than underwear the problem might be you. Especially if you decide to go commando.
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You think? Why they dont toss this guy in prison now and throw away the key is beyond me
The whole point was to get publicity, not fuck with anyone's medical care.
And any hospital using their public facing web infrastructure directly attached to their critical systems backend is a fucking retard to begin with. HIPAA requires medical information to be secured (although not secure enough in my opinion) and common network systems engineering never has you putting critical systems on a publicly disclosed and accessable system. Anything critical should at minimum be behind a vpn with DoS protection and failover links. If somehow he did affect medical systems, that sounds like it is on the hospital, not him.
Stop letting it ruin your life. Trump being President or being in jail does not directly affect your life. Go find happiness and stop worrying about what Trump does.
No, YOU are better than this. You've made insightful comments from time to time. I'm actually not trolling by asking if you read the document at all, which you didn't, before you judged it based on its length.
If you've never seen a comparable length document replete with exhibits up the wazoo that laid out a chain of facts beyond reasonable doubts, you've been lucky enough to avoid litigation. Don't be stupid.
I believe you can redeem yourself here, just stop being stupid.
Ummm, what do the Hospitals that are connected to Internet?
Hospitals without Internet service are not put to be in danger for the patients, nurses, doctors, etc.
The prisoner should exit from the jail and dedicate to community's services, by example, to do the care of the patients or the children.
That is a seriously bad case of "post hoc, ergo propter hoc". This guy's DDoS did not help save the girl's life. The girl's parents going to the press and drawing attention to the hospital's attempts to medically kidnap her saved the girl's life.
Switching lawyers two times isn't excessive, especially if you don't know the exigent circumstances behind that. Sometimes lawyers decide they don't want the case anymore, or it evolves beyond their expertise.
That's not evidence either way unless you put meat on that bone.
Now if both lawyers quit him, and the judge allowed it based on his misconduct or something, that'd be entirely different and perhaps enlightening. There are circumstances beyond your instant surface perusal.
Why judge a claim based on something so unrelated to merits of argument? That's not analysis, that's not even reader's digest. You're smarter than falling into that kind of shit Kjella.
I should clarify I don't know if the claims are valid or not, haven't read the doc, just pointing out that judging its entirety by such loose dander isn't proving much.
Stop letting it ruin your life. Trump being President or being in jail does not directly affect your life. Go find happiness and stop worrying about what Trump does.
Every time a impotent millennial loses his shit just thinking about Trump, I shed a tear of joy. They live in a delusional mind fantasy that Trump will be removed from office and go to prison. They pin their hopes of salvation upon the Messiah Mueller without success. Here we are two years later and their foot stampings have brought them nothing more than sore feet. Every day that their little fantasy is denied, they grow a little crazier and lash out a little harder. It's delicious.
My sentence was 130 months and I went to a low.
I wish.
130 months for bank robbery, carjacking, and gun charges.
I would say attacking the systems used to care for critically ill children is physically dangerous.
That is not what "physically dangerous" means. Would he physically assault anyone while cleaning bedpans? There is no evidence to suspect that. Can he run a DDoS attack while cleaning bedpans? Unlikely.
If access to the Internet is a really big concern, then he could be sentenced to repairing hiking trails in remote forests. For non-violent people, there is always a better alternative than prisons. Every other country in the world imprisons fewer people than America, and most have lower recidivism rates.
America's prison system is expensive, dysfunctional, and counterproductive. We need to end the knee jerk response of dealing with every problem by locking up more people. When a politician brags that he is endorsed by the police and prison unions, you should vote for the other guy.
His vigilantism to pay back others for Justina's sixteen months cost him ten years of his life and who knows what else. Is wifey gonna sit around for the next decade waiting for you Marty? Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
He may have no regrets today. We'll see if he still feels that way in a few years, Don't drop the soap Marty.
APK, you really need to stop stalking Ray Morris with unidentifiable anonymous posts. Do something useful with your life like making a wheel, instead of spamming Slashdot relentlessly from your daddy's $1 house.
600 pages is “due diligence”? What’s the due diligence standard when you’re planning to illegally disrupt the operation of a hospital?
You know what else 600 pages could be? Deranged lunatic ranting and miscellaneous bitching. It’s easy to write 600 pages of angry nonsense; more difficult to edit it down to 10 pages of tight argument.
I am going to bet there is nothing diligent about it and you need to examine your motivation to imagine that it could be.
Again, that may all go "away" if the judge actually does have provable conflicts. Does he, I don't know. I agree the "guilt" of the DDOS crime is established. The question is one of jurisprudence if at all now.
But even if he gets the full 10 he's out in 4, that's how this works. Probably min-sec. With the Drumpftard family on the other hand, it's gallows and pre-dug holes. Traitors have to go.
He brings in his kid because there's a specialist at the hospital that can help.
Others at the hospital look at his kid - refuse to send the kid the specialist. When he tries to get his kid back, they accuse him of child abuse and take his kid.
You think shutting down a hospital computer system is not dangerous?
You are a fucking idiot. There is no excuse for what he did. And just because he used a keyboard instead of a knife a bunch of kids could have been just as dead from his criminal actions.
Maybe it's like a Youtube video and has to be a certain length before you can make money off of it.
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
One of the point if you look around for more balanced article, is that the dr korson at the time had not done a muscle biopsy (one diagnosis which is deemed necessary - and reading what he told over the year about his method of "clumping" versus "scattering" diagnosis this brings up certain doubt about him). And certainly there was no mitochondrial genetic analyzes.
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You are working under the mistaken assumption that people are rational... If they were, we would be living in an entirely different world.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
You were happy to discuss it to this point with the internet already, including myself. The very first question about where you served time and show and tell is over? I dunno bruh.
Me logging in or not, what does it change? You think I'm a cop or parole officer lol? Would you know by a chosen username picked arbitrarily for your consumption? Like say "Bank Robber MBA."
You gonna drink that pruno or just pass it around and pretend nobody notices?
You are working under the mistaken assumption that people are rational...
95% of people are rational about incarceration. The other 5% are Americans.
If they were, we would be living in an entirely different world.
Nope. Just a different country.
If you're going to represent yourself in a criminal case, you might as well go commando; if having big balls isn't enough to save you, you're screwed.
95% of people are rational about incarceration.
Globally? No way! Maybe in Sweden and Norway...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
You think shutting down a hospital computer system is not dangerous?
I agree that it was dangerous. I didn't say otherwise.
There is no excuse for what he did.
I agree.
And just because he used a keyboard instead of a knife a bunch of kids could have been just as dead from his criminal actions.
There is no evidence that anyone was harmed by his keyboard or his actions.
He was irresponsible and committed a crime. He did not commit a violent crime.
A DDoS is bad. Murder is bad. That doesn't mean a DDoS is murder. Keep some perspective. He disabled a website.
One of the point if you look around for more balanced article, is that the dr korson at the time had not done a muscle biopsy (one diagnosis which is deemed necessary - and reading what he told over the year about his method of "clumping" versus "scattering" diagnosis this brings up certain doubt about him). And certainly there was no mitochondrial genetic analyzes.
Couple of things: 1) I can tell you are not a parent, 2) most juries are composed mostly of parents
Maybe perhaps the hospital should have done one of those first before resorting to CPS? As for what you say, it seems to be true. Its also true they didn't know any of it when they called in CPS. They would have had to contact the geneticist first for them to know that. They only found this information out after CPS had taken the child. So its more papering over what they did rather than admitting what they did. The fact that they can do this now, and that they are willing to throw a fellow medical researcher under the bus to do it, should tell you what they are willing to do to get out of this one.
The dumbest thing the hospital has done so far (other than the original mistakes) was to not settle immediately. The hospital can quibble and go back and forth about mitochondrial issues and all its going to do is make the jury want to hang them more. Because the simple fact is, they didn't know any of it when they called CPS in the first place. And the fact that there is clearly medical uncertainty here, will count against them. People will quite reasonably have the attitude that "YOU(the hospital) SHOULD HAVE BEEN SURE BEFORE CALLING CPS". Anything that counts against that no matter how complex or smart or medically sound, will get them into even more trouble. Before you take people's kids, you have to be sure. Anything that seems to go against that simple premise will get harshly rebuffed by almost any jury. You want to see an outrageous legal settlement? Argue that you should be able to take people's kids without due processes or even reviewing all the information at hand.
"Those that start by burning books, will end by burning men."
Actually, I'm looking for commitment more than bravery.
It's about wasting time on trolls.
If the conversation doesn't mean enough to you to log in to a website, why does it mean enough to me to tell my story? Or, tell it AGAIN, really, because I've told it a couple of times on Slashdot.
Every time I post under my username, I give people an opportunity to mod me down and troll me. Not too much of a risk, right? But somehow it's still too much of a risk for you.
For me? I think the quality of the conversation goes up when people have an identity attached to their contributions, even a pseudonym. And I come to Slashdot for the comments, the meaningful exchange of ideas. So I encourage people to log in.
Storytime is not hard. Not after one question, not after a hundred questions. I'll tell ya almost anything you want to know about going to prison. Like I said, log in, and we'll talk about it.
Or just torture him with constant subpoenas and search warrants.
I bet we could keep a hell of a lot of attorneys employed very gainfully for a long period of time with this shit show
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By now Schwartz would have long since completed his sentence and be free to continue fighting for the causes he supposedly supported. Instead he is just another corpse whose name can be invoked in an effort to excuse any and all manner of sh!tbaggery.
From Gottesfeld's indictment document:
Gottesfeld, using the Twitter handle, "Stoploganriver" in dm with one of the unindicted co-conspirators:
Mar 22, 2014 3:35 PM EST @Stoploganriver: “so far I haven't been
sued/arrested. I've been pretty careful. If they do, it's not the end of the
world though. I'm prepared.”
C'mon, cheer up, Marty. You were prepared for this. Serving prison time and paying $440,000 in restitution is not the end of the world. You're lucky the Feds couldn't plausibly link you to any patient that purportedly suffered any detrimental effects due to your DDOSing of the hospitals, otherwise you'd be in much longer than the 10years you've already been sentenced. I'd say you caught a big break there, buddy. Good luck!
Deserves far more than 10 years.
It's funny that this document, which is mostly hand written, would be considered a "conflicts of interest" document. None of it actually contains any conflicts of interest. All of it includes a rambling story of a manifesto which includes reasons why some person was harmed by a hospital group, as if this were the justification to do damage to the hospital group to avenge the harm that was done to some person...
If the guy is looking for a defense, he's only using a shovel to dig his hole deeper by producing and submitting such a document to a court of law. The judge is rightfully correct in giving the unremorseful defendant such a long prison sentence. This person obviously cannot be rehabilitated, and the only protection from society from such a person with no conscience is a long prison sentence. He suffers from mental illness if he thinks his manifesto describing his reasons for revenge are going to have any positive impact on the judges decision. Anyone reading that document probably thinks the guy is a lunatic who deserves ten years in prison for what he did. He obviously does not regret what he did. To the contrary, he authored a 690 page manifesto describing why it deserves to be done. What a psychopath.
DoS attacks are very dated. That being said, who the fuck attacks hospitals?
I agree, but it bothers me that you use the phrase "taking people's kids". It makes it sound like Justina herself was not a person, or that the violations of her rights and the suffering she endured were less important than the rights of her parents.
You acknowledge his guilt but are pushing for a new judge to re-do his trial? He asserted an affirmative defense where he admitted guilt but he thinks his act was justified. This asshole's DDos attack compromised the hospitals network and then the dumbass runs to Cuba looking for asylum? He would be better off firing his lawyer for using a defense that no court would ever accept. The sentence handed to him falls within the federally mandated guidelines and he did not get the maximum allowed by law. As it stands he will be out of prison in 3 to 4 years.
Between Aaron Swartz and this clown, it sounds like he knows exactly who needs to spend time behind bars. We need more like him.
Progressivism: Parasites helping parasites to help themselves - to other people's stuff.
Pretty sure the hospital successfully getting her away from her nutbag parents for a while is what saved her life.
It's fun how you lie about the parents having genetic evidence, get called out for lying about it, and then respond to the guy who called you out with "hurr, durr, well you're not a parent".
I can tell you really care about what's true. They should like totally have you on that jury.
Or just execute the slimy fucker. He's trying to portray himself as an activist and a victim when he endangered many lives with his irresponsible and negligent script-kiddie stunt and then tried to run from the law, the latter being a tacit admission of his criminal status.
You should do a lot more background reading. The child in question was the victim of a "medical kidnapping" being held in a psych ward and denied necessary medication. It seems the doctors at that hospital disagreed with doctors at another hospital and they were willing to keep her locked up to prevent the parents from transferring her.
This is an uncommon but growing problem.
Eventually, with mounting publicity and legal pressure, the child was released and is now slowly improving. Some of that publicity came from the DDOS making the news.
Don't vilify this judge for prosecuting Aaron Swartz. Swartz broke the law plain and simple and got the penalty he deserved under the law. He should have accepting this fact, served his punishment, and moved on with his life.
Unfortunately, he did not choose to serve his punishment and move on with his life for reasons only he knows.
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I have no sympathy for him.
You DO know that a hospital's web pages and business admin don't run in the same space as the patient monitors, right?
The case seems to be about a medical kidnapping that happened 4 years ago, healthcare have become so political that has been used by government as a police force, sometimes they are used as spies on the people the are supposed to care.
Knocking an external web server down doesn't affect patient care at all.
What makes you so sure? It's not like they wanted to whisk her off to mexico for some special fruit diet therapy. They wanted her treated by different well respected doctors.
FTFY.
This is the US we're talking about, the guy should be happy some yahoo didn't shoot him. Their police routinely shoot the suspects they are in the process of "arresting," and have zero accountability. Mass shooters galore. Along with criminals that have no reason to even bother with deescalation and surrender to police because their society is toxic to "ex-cons." Their Prosecutors love plea bargains often with worse penalties. Their politicians love being "tough on crime" which is really just polispeak for "I support private prisons." As you already pointed out, yes they have very disproportionate punishments for the crimes committed. (Apparently they consider copyright infringement to be a worse crime than rape. If you go by the severity of the punishment.) And that's before you get into their "justice" system being stuffed to the brim with corrupt judges by their Senate. Along with their courts routinely disregarding their own citizen's rights, and the bad cops they refuse to deal with creating a huge rift between them and those they are supposed to "serve and protect."
Why on earth would you think he'd get actual justice in the US???? Only a complete moron would assume that. Honestly it's to the point now where any country with an extradition treaty with the US should really start considering ripping it up. Or at least they should if they actually give a crap about human rights and due process.
I would say attacking the systems used to care for critically ill children is physically dangerous.
So by your own definition, he isn't physically dangerous, since no such thing happened.
I don't know enough about the facts of the case
Yet that didn't stop you from making some up.
I also note that someone who has already attacked a children's hospital has demonstrated that they are able and willing to harm sick kids
Not a single one of those kids health or lives depended on the hospitals public webpage being up at any given moment.
Christ almighty, I'd hate to hear what you'd want done with the system admins at the web hosting company that reboot the not-critical web server for regular maintenance!
It's not even as if a doctors receptionist wasn't able to fuckoff on facebook during the attack, let alone email phones or medical devices being effected.
It's a public website dude, get over yourself
Sorry, but if you DDOS a hospital, fuck you. I sincerely hope you spend a significant amount of time in prison. And I don't mean a year or two.
I have absolutely zero sympathy for assholes like this.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
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Why the heck are you pretending his crime has anything to do with a web page? He attacked the class B network, 65,536 IP addresses, serving the hospital district, knocking not only that hospital, but other hospitals offline. His attack lasted two weeks. Doctors do use the internet, you know - they don't keep all the world's medical knowledge in their head.
You know the medical district he attacked uses networking for more than just their web page, don't you?
He attacked the class B network, 65,536 IP addresses, serving the hospital district, knocking not only that hospital, but other hospitals offline. His attack lasted two weeks. Doctors do use the internet, you know - they don't keep all the world's medical knowledge in their head.
Actually ... you are the idiot, you don't even understand the nature of the crime. He took down a website. He did not disable medical equipment.
If you're "pretty sure" of that, you don't know anything about the case and you're just "pretty sure" of whatever you imagine, for no reason whatsoever.
He attacked the class B network, 65,536 IP addresses, serving the hospital district, knocking not only that hospital, but other hospitals offline. His attack lasted two weeks.
You know when the doctor does the examination and then you have to wait in the little room? He's out there googling your symptoms.
the medical stuff is on a different network and has almost nothing to do with this. a bunch of kids could not have died from the actions and it would also be criminal to run the network so that it could have.
however. do you think that was more serious than someone coming to your house, hitting your kid with a hammer and causing life lasting brain injury after 1 year in this hospital?
because that's what the judge is saying, that the website is more serious.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
I like to chat with foreign visitors passing through the city. Based on this small sample I think Bill is right.
There is this basically satanic attitude that says: "woo hoo he he lock them up in a torture camp _forever_!!! ah ha ha ha!!!" Only Americans have that attitude.
Euros, Asians, Africans, South Americans - all of them have far more Christan, forgiving attitudes. All of them are horrified by the Stalinesque kangaroo courts and gulag we've built here.
Fellow Americans, let's ask ourselves some hard questions: How did we become the bad guys? How did a culturally Christian nation come to embrace cruelty, vengeance, torture, and extraction of false confessions - as the cornerstone of our "justice" system? How can we end this evil?
There's no way to make America truly great again until we shut down the gulag and de-Stalinize the courts.
My doctor doesn't do that. If a doctor actually did need google (that could happen sometimes), he has a smart phone with a browser.
Of course the hospital's web presence may not even be hosted in the same state, mush less on the same subnet as their gateway.
Martin Gottesfeld is an attempted child murderer and child molester. Why do you support child murderers and molesters?
You DO know that a hospital's web pages and business admin don't run in the same space as the patient monitors, right?
No, did he?
Martin Gottesfeld tried to murder many children in a hospital. He also kidnapped, with intent to molest, another child and took her to an enemy country.
Martin Gottesfeld is an attempted mass child murderer. He deserves life imprisonment or execution.
He won't last 10 minutes. The inmates are going to have their merry fun with him. Do you know what happens to nerds in prison? Everything! He will be subjected to all possible forms of debasement! He will become a human toilet! The unspeakable abuse he will have to suffer can't even be fathomed! Even if he survives the brutality he will take his own life out of shame and self-loathing! His decomposing carcass will be left in a corner for weeks before being tossed into the garbage heap.
Yes, he did.
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I f*cked up.
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He attacked a children's hospital and then has the temerity to think he's some kind of hero activist. He's a self-important jerk and his ass is going to be in jail for 10 years. I hope he gets to enjoy every last minute of it.
They went doctor shopping. I don't know how well respected the doctors they found were, but I do know that if you go to enough of them and complain enough you can eventually get just about any treatment you want.
What makes me so sure is that multiple doctors agreed that most of the "treatments" were unnecessary and some were outright harmful, that multiple specialists agreed that her "illness" was psychological, and that doctors at two separate hospitals independently decided to contact CPS out of concern for her welfare.
Calling CPS is always first on their checklist in cases of suspected abuse because it indemnifies them if any abuse is occurring. They are doctors, not investigators, and once the warning signs are present, the phone call must be made to bring in the experts on abuse. It is up to CPS to decide if there is abuse present or not.
85% in feds before parole.
So what do you want to do? Free all the non-violent offenders and find more appropriate sentences? Can you imagine the headlines?
"Trump Frees Tens of Thousands of White Men"
You cannot do anything in America if it disproportionately effects one race. Incarcerating non-violent offenders helps slightly to fix the prison gap. Treating non-violent criminals differently than violent ones is putting Black Americans at the back of the bus.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
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Dude, in simpler words its called "running in the family". And indeed, an older sibling did have a mitochondrial condition. And for that sibling, a biopsy had indeed been done that confirmed the disease.
It looks like he took their Web site offline. If he actually did anything that endangers life and limb...well, that's the one thing I plan to leave in the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act as criminal; everything else--knocking out your Web site, for example--is a civil matter. We already have financial fraud laws.
The law is pretty much written like this: "BEING THAT HACKERS ARE SCARY WIZARDS AND MERE MORTALS CANNOT COMPREHEND THEIR AWESOME POWER, THOSE WHO USE THEIR WIZARDRY FOR EVIL ARE WITCHES AND SHALL BE BURNED TO DEATH WITH FIRE."
Seriously. Wrote a computer virus? 20 years in prison. Hacked a Web site? 10 years in prison. If we can stack up that you hacked into the site and took 500 unauthorized actions, or logged back in a dozen times, you're going to jail for LIFE!
This isn't helping. You know it's not helping. I know it's not helping.
If you do something dangerous, you should face criminal charges. If you're an annoyance, that's a civil matter.
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This guy was trying to DDoS hospitals. I can't think of any excuse that would actually excuse that, and "doing it to save some child's life" is flat out unbelievable.
Many will remember Martin Gottesfeld since he was arrested on a speedboat coming from Cuba. He volunteered at trial that he and his wife had just been denied political asylum by Castro. Gottesfeld has said he did it to defend the life of an innocent child named Justina Pelletier.
Wait, so "it" in the above-quoted section of TFS wasn't "leave Cuba on a speedboat"? Because that block had me very confused as to what it had to do with the story.
Euros, Asians, Africans, South Americans - all of them have far more Christan, forgiving attitudes.
Oh please! You obviously haven't seen the inside of their prisons. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Hey, Windows users, there is no such thing as "forward" slash, there is only slash and backslash.
This guy was making DDoS attacks hospitals.
That's a statement of fact, let him rot.
Wrong again. She was seeing the doctors at Tufts that diagnosed a physical illness FIRST. She was at BCS to consult a gastrointestinal specialist about a specific issue related to her illness. It's clear that you are looking for an excuse to believe BCH and the state and blame the parents, it's just not clear why. Perhaps you should read up on the background before you make further assumptions.
You seem to have confused two different cases. There was another case where the same doctors at Tufts agreed that there was no physical illness, but that wasn't Justina Pelletier. Since those events, Pelletier has gone back to her parents and resumed treatment for mitochondrial disease at Tufts.
Do we really need to read 600+ pages of word salad?
No, they didn't just go to Tufts, they saw dozens of different doctors in at least 3 different hospitals. Please stop trying to lecture people on a case which you know nothing about.
Again, you have confused Justina and another person.
Read more carefully.
Yes we've already established that you're confused about that. No need to keep repeating yourself.
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He's just using Saul Alinsky tactics. Make the enemy live up to to its own book of rules. Note how he's extolling the virtues of Christianity, though he doesn't believe in it himself.
A shooting is bad. Murder is bad. That doesn't mean a shooting is bad. Keep some perspective. He moved a small piece of lead.
You tell'em, Boris!
95% of people are rational about incarceration. The other 5% are Americans.
The rumor is Shanghai Bill owns an American passport.
Is that true?
And you HAVE seen the inside of their prisons, on four different continents?? Remind me not to leave my phone sitting on the table when you're around...
He DDOSed the fundraising website of a single hospital. Not their internal operations.
Read up on the case before delivering such an opinion. The hospital kidnapped a sick child because they didn't agree with a prior diagnosis. If someone treated a child I knew the way Justina Pelletier was treated, I would have zero hesitation about shooting them in the face.
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